Re: annoying property editor

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/14/2017 10:42 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:


It should stay where it’s put. Please open a report if you have a recipe.


Will do. The recipe's pretty simple, though.

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Re: annoying property editor

2017-06-14 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode

> On 15 Jun 2017, at 3:39 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that the LC9 property editor keeps 
> relocating to the center of the screen?
> 
> I open the property editor, make an edit, leave the property editor open and 
> move it out of the way so that I can move a different object or select it to 
> edit, and the property editor pops back to center screen, usually right on 
> top of the object I'm trying to move.
> 
> Is this a bug or did someone actually think this was a good idea?

It should stay where it’s put. Please open a report if you have a recipe.

Cheers

Monte
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annoying property editor

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that the LC9 property editor keeps 
relocating to the center of the screen?


I open the property editor, make an edit, leave the property editor open 
and move it out of the way so that I can move a different object or 
select it to edit, and the property editor pops back to center screen, 
usually right on top of the object I'm trying to move.


Is this a bug or did someone actually think this was a good idea?

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Re: can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode

> On 15 Jun 2017, at 10:28 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> on mouseUp
>  repeat
>answer "Hi"
>  end repeat
> end mouseUp

Lol… that I would abort in my head before it enters the script editor ;-)

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Cliptorect property

2017-06-14 Thread Bruce Humphrey via use-livecode
FitToRect?

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Re: can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode


Richard:

> Any way to abort this?:
> on mouseUp
>repeat
>  answer "Hi"
>end repeat
> end mouseUp

There is a good chance of succeeding if you hold down Enter continually 
to actuate the dialog OK while clicking rapidly on the toolbar Property 
Inspector icon. If the Inspector appears, you can use it to select your 
button, edit the script, add a breakpoint, "OK" and then stop the 
script. It's also possible to open the Message Box this way or (for 
slightly different code) turn off messages. Depending on the exact code 
and situation it may take a while to get back control but it's nice when 
it works! BTW I'm on Windows, real Windows that is. :) I think I've used 
this technique on Mac too but let me know if it works.


Best wishes,

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Re: OT: Spelling "windows" with a P (Was: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1)

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode


TIL...

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Re: can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Mark Wieder wrote:
On 06/14/2017 04:48 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
>> Aborting the script usually works for me when this happens.
>
> Yeah. I'd love it if that worked for me too.
> Or do you have some special way of aborting the script?

Any way to abort this?:

on mouseUp
  repeat
answer "Hi"
  end repeat
end mouseUp

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OT: Spelling "windows" with a P (Was: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1)

2017-06-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 6/14/17 6:24 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:

On 6/14/17 4:06 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
But on that subject, which I never imagined seeing here, I would 
advise males to pee in the most manly way possible


TMI... for me it's triggering that scene in "About Schmidt".

Moving on now.


In a moment. I would just like to point out that women too can pee 
cleanly standing up, and back when most women still wore skirts there 
were public toilets shaped to allow it.


In case that info distresses the he-men out there, take solace in the 
fact that we can't write our names.


NOW moving on...

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Re: can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/14/2017 04:48 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

Aborting the script usually works for me when this happens.


Yeah. I'd love it if that worked for me too.
Or do you have some special way of aborting the script?
Mine is "kill -9".

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Re: can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/14/2017 04:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

The traditional xTalk solution for this is Cmd-./Ctrl-,. which safely 
exits to top with a notification the the script was aborted.


I of course tried all the usual escape routes: ctl-., ctl-break, escape, 
setting the traceabort to true... I think the latest hangup was a result 
of jsonToArray choking on a badly-formed json object, so maybe I can 
blame mergJson for this, but even so it seems that there's some flag 
that gets set in the engine and I haven't figured out how to turn it loose.


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Re: "clipsToRect" property

2017-06-14 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode

> On 15 Jun 2017, at 4:19 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like that, but for the "English" description. It's too late to change 
> clipsToRect since it's already in the engine, but I'd go for "Visible 
> rectangle" or "Set visible rectangle".

There’s a lot of different color bike sheds here ;-)

I would find it confusing if `Visible rectangle` is the label for a boolean 
property.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
Aborting the script usually works for me when this happens.

> On 15 Jun 2017, at 7:31 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did we ever figure out how to deal with the "can't  with this 
> script while it is executing" problem?
> 
> I've had to force-quit the IDE several times over the last few days due to a 
> script error. My own errors, but this halt-and-catch-fire mode prevents me 
> from correcting them without killing and resurrecting LC. Fortunately I've 
> gotten into the habit of saving every time I edit anything, so I haven't lost 
> any code, but I'm annoyed that the system is so unstable that I have to do 
> that.
> 
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Re: can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Mark Wieder wrote:
Did we ever figure out how to deal with the "can't  with 
this script while it is executing" problem?


I've had to force-quit the IDE several times over the last few days due 
to a script error. My own errors, but this halt-and-catch-fire mode 
prevents me from correcting them without killing and resurrecting LC. 
Fortunately I've gotten into the habit of saving every time I edit 
anything, so I haven't lost any code, but I'm annoyed that the system is 
so unstable that I have to do that.


The traditional xTalk solution for this is Cmd-./Ctrl-,. which safely 
exits to top with a notification the the script was aborted.


It worked that way in HC, SC, and IIRC every other xTalk I've used, even 
in the middle of a loop calling "answer".


This escape is partially implemented in LiveCode, but there are cases 
(like calling "answer" in a loop) where it isn't yet.


It would be a VERY useful addition to this xTalk dialect to have feature 
completion on this.


I'm guessing there's something about the LC engine that makes this 
harder to do than in any other xTalk.  I don't know what that challenge is.


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Re: clipsToRect property (was Re: Instantiaing Grouped Controls - Templates - Responsive)

2017-06-14 Thread Devin Asay via use-livecode

On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Devin Asay via use-livecode 
> wrote:

As one who teaches newbies LiveCode, I am a proponent of property labels that 
are both succinct and descriptive, while not straying too far from the actual 
property name. There are obvious exceptions (destroyStack, anyone?). But in 
this case, maybe something like:

Clip child controls to rect

Strikes a good balance between similarity to the property name and giving a 
better idea of what the property does.

I went with Clip child controls to rect.

Join the discussion on the Pull Request on Github if you think it needs 
massaging.

https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/1632

Devin


Devin Asay
Director
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

2017-06-14 Thread Phil Davis via use-livecode

On 6/14/17 4:06 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
But on that subject, which I never imagined seeing here, I would 
advise males to pee in the most manly way possible


TMI... for me it's triggering that scene in "About Schmidt".

Moving on now.

Phil

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

2017-06-14 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode


Richmond:

> The whole discussion is becoming a "pane" and I for one am "board".
> "a real Windows machine" is almost as meaningful as phrases such as
> "real men stand up to pee".

It was clear; you confirmed your own understanding in that very first 
post, so I saw the objection as more of an attempt to signal virtue. If 
that helps anyone feel some self esteem, I'm glad. This machine was 
designed specifically for Windows, so the description is appropriate.


And maybe more relevant to testing LiveCode 815 than standing to pee.

But on that subject, which I never imagined seeing here, I would advise 
males to pee in the most manly way possible during coding breaks. Stand 
proudly, preferably sporting a Molon Labe T-shirt and oversized belt 
buckle with a rebel design. Extra points for carrying around a bowie 
knife or a LiveCode powered mobile web server. Use this moment to 
celebrate the masculine heritage that only real men can fully experience 
and embody as they pee. Then go back and dominate that code like a true 
alpha!


Does that seem like we're getting off track a little? Oh yes, I was 
saying that this LC version is working much better on my machine than 
the previous two. It makes an efficient 8 workflow possible, and that is 
much appreciated. Thought the feedback might be useful. I usually don't 
install the RCs, but I'm glad I tried this one, so don't hesitate - it 
truly makes life easier, at least on - ahem - Windows.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
Real Windows machine

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Can't Sign App

2017-06-14 Thread Dan Friedman via use-livecode
Using LC 8.1.3 (or 8.1.5 or 9.0.0) if I attempt to sign my standalone 
application using the instructions found here: 
http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/s/revolution/m/10695/l/112706-signing-an-application,
 I get this error:

/Users/me/Desktop/MyGreatApp.app: code object is not signed at all
In subcomponent: 
/Users/me/Desktop/MyGreatApp.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revbrowser.bundle

What gives?  Shouldn’t these components come pre-signed?  Do I need to sign LC 
components as well? (I tried and it failed: 
“/Users/me/Desktop/MyGreatApp.app.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revbrowser.bundle:
 resource fork, Finder information, or similar detritus not allowed”)

Any ideas on what I’m doing wrong?

-Dan

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can't edit...while it is executing

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
Did we ever figure out how to deal with the "can't  with 
this script while it is executing" problem?


I've had to force-quit the IDE several times over the last few days due 
to a script error. My own errors, but this halt-and-catch-fire mode 
prevents me from correcting them without killing and resurrecting LC. 
Fortunately I've gotten into the habit of saving every time I edit 
anything, so I haven't lost any code, but I'm annoyed that the system is 
so unstable that I have to do that.


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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship

2017-06-14 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
I think that Oracle Media Objects was based on the Plus code, which also had 
its own life as a Windows only tool. I programmed a 12 CD-ROM series in OMO, 
though we didn’t get around doing the last two. You can still buy those 
CD-ROMs, but I think thy wouldn’t work on a modern OS:

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Secret-Century-Archival-Marketers/dp/155940/ref=sr_1_3?s=books=UTF8=1497473493=1-3


> On Jun 13, 2017, at 5:04 PM, james--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Goodness, I am not sure if it is a good idea to remember (sequence may be 
> off.)
> 
> HyperCard
> Supercard
> Director
> IShell (as well as the Apple technology it was based on, but whose name I 
> forget..)
> Oracle Media Objects
> Metropolis (I really like this)
> Meta card
> Revolution
> .long sojourn "silver surfing" into the land of 4D
> LiveCode
> 
> James
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:03, Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sigh, me too I guess. I now see how long it has been (40 years) thinking 
>> back...
>> 
>> HyperCard
>> Supercard
>> Plus
>> Oracle Media Objects
>> Toolbook
>> MetaCard
>> Revolution
>> Livecode
>> 
>> Jeff
> 
> 
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Re: "clipsToRect" property

2017-06-14 Thread Jim Lambert via use-livecode
‘Visible rectangle’

I can see that. ;)

Jim Lambert
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Re: Mac PPC

2017-06-14 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
If i didn't have things that I don't want to do without on windows, I would
go solely linux.  Alas i have to admit that even at my age.. I still play
games that are only available on windows. (some could be shoehorned into
linux in various ways but games can be very problematic)

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It never ceases to amaze me how I manage to run the latest LC release via
> Xubuntu
> on a Pentium IV that is significantly older than my MacMini PPC and that
> is significantly
> older than my Polycarbonate Intel iMac:
>
> I am running LC 9 dp 6 on the Pentium IV . . . .
>
> admittedly this says buckets about Apple's policy of forcing hardware
> upgrades by
> messing around with both their OS and their hardware and nothing about
> LiveCode.
>
> This really does say something very positive indeed about Linux.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 6/14/17 8:31 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I have a little macbook g4 running 10.4.11 and after going through the
>> release notes, chose livecode 6.5.2 (the last version of lc that
>> specifically says it will work with a macos that old)  the machine has
>> 1.25g of mem, and runs like a champ.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Kay C Lan, but I am after some slightly more obscure info:
>>>
>>> the last version working on Mac OS 10.4.11 as my MacMini PPC does not
>>> have suffiecient RAM to cope with 10.5.8 (and I am NOT going to pay for
>>> more RAM for a machine that spends most of its time running a variety of
>>> emulators: BBC Micro, Amiga and Commodore).
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>> On 6/14/17 10:24 am, Kay C Lan via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> Can confirm that LC 6.6.5 will run on a PPC running Leopard 10.5.8.

 On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
  wrote:

 6.6.x I think was the last version to support PPC - 10.4+.
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:32, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder (to save me trawling endlessly though release notes) if
>> anyone can tell me the last LC version to run on Mac PPC?
>>
>> Richmond.
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Re: Mac PPC

2017-06-14 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
It never ceases to amaze me how I manage to run the latest LC release 
via Xubuntu
on a Pentium IV that is significantly older than my MacMini PPC and that 
is significantly

older than my Polycarbonate Intel iMac:

I am running LC 9 dp 6 on the Pentium IV . . . .

admittedly this says buckets about Apple's policy of forcing hardware 
upgrades by
messing around with both their OS and their hardware and nothing about 
LiveCode.


This really does say something very positive indeed about Linux.

Richmond.

On 6/14/17 8:31 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

I have a little macbook g4 running 10.4.11 and after going through the
release notes, chose livecode 6.5.2 (the last version of lc that
specifically says it will work with a macos that old)  the machine has
1.25g of mem, and runs like a champ.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks Kay C Lan, but I am after some slightly more obscure info:

the last version working on Mac OS 10.4.11 as my MacMini PPC does not
have suffiecient RAM to cope with 10.5.8 (and I am NOT going to pay for
more RAM for a machine that spends most of its time running a variety of
emulators: BBC Micro, Amiga and Commodore).

Richmond.

On 6/14/17 10:24 am, Kay C Lan via use-livecode wrote:


Can confirm that LC 6.6.5 will run on a PPC running Leopard 10.5.8.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
 wrote:


6.6.x I think was the last version to support PPC - 10.4+.

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:32, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I wonder (to save me trawling endlessly though release notes) if
anyone can tell me the last LC version to run on Mac PPC?

Richmond.
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Re: Mac PPC

2017-06-14 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

Thanks! that's exactly the info I needed.

Richmond.

On 6/14/17 8:31 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

I have a little macbook g4 running 10.4.11 and after going through the
release notes, chose livecode 6.5.2 (the last version of lc that
specifically says it will work with a macos that old)  the machine has
1.25g of mem, and runs like a champ.

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Thanks Kay C Lan, but I am after some slightly more obscure info:

the last version working on Mac OS 10.4.11 as my MacMini PPC does not
have suffiecient RAM to cope with 10.5.8 (and I am NOT going to pay for
more RAM for a machine that spends most of its time running a variety of
emulators: BBC Micro, Amiga and Commodore).

Richmond.

On 6/14/17 10:24 am, Kay C Lan via use-livecode wrote:


Can confirm that LC 6.6.5 will run on a PPC running Leopard 10.5.8.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
 wrote:


6.6.x I think was the last version to support PPC - 10.4+.

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:32, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I wonder (to save me trawling endlessly though release notes) if
anyone can tell me the last LC version to run on Mac PPC?

Richmond.
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Re: "For Young Coders"

2017-06-14 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode



On 6/14/17 8:27 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

Now imagine an LC toy in the app store.


Oh, I'm not going to bother waiting for that; the kids have all been 
issued with a CD-ROM containing (among other stuff)

a BBC emulator for the 3 dominant OSes and likewise LiveCode 8.1.4.

On Friday we'll be looking at strings in BASIC and "nibbling" bits from 
the LEFT, RIGHT and MID

of strings.

On Monday we'll look at loops.

On Wednesday we'll look at branching (IF . . . THEN).

Next we'll start REPLICATING what we did in BASIC in LiveCode

HOWEVER, many of the kids have either Android phones or Android tablets 
and did go "Wow" and "Cowabunga"
(OK, that last one's a lie; the Bulgarian equivalent) when they saw 
Beebdroid on a couple of Android tablets I have:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beebdroid

the only slight negative thing about it is that one cannot save programs.

So: Yesss, a cut-down version (I've banged on with that phrase quiet 
a lot for a long time) for tablest

would be "rather jolly".

Richmond.



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I don't know.

BUT . . .

Today I had a classroom of 9-10 year olds doing simple Mathematics with
BBC BASIC in BBC Micro emulators

[ http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ ]

and one kid really "made my day" when he said, "Wow, this is serious
programming,
not like that baby Scratch thing."

Research seems to suggest that while children rapidly become adept at
assembling sub-Super Mario type
games in Scratch and related block-coding things the theory that they will
easily transition from that to
programming-qua-programming is not true owing to they not having got the
simple stuff of:

constants, variables, strings, looping and branching

under their belts in a readily transferrable form.

Richmond.

On 6/14/17 5:53 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:


On 06/13/2017 10:26 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Death By Scratch: https://community.tes.com/thre

ads/death-by-scratch.670594/


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Re: "clipsToRect" property

2017-06-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 6/14/17 1:51 AM, Quentin Long via use-livecode wrote:

My 2 cents' worth: Rather than "clipsToRect", call the property "visibleRect". 
Because that's what it is—it's the rectangular area of the screen, within which the specified 
portion of the group is visible.


I like that, but for the "English" description. It's too late to change 
clipsToRect since it's already in the engine, but I'd go for "Visible 
rectangle" or "Set visible rectangle".


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Re: Mac PPC

2017-06-14 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
I have a little macbook g4 running 10.4.11 and after going through the
release notes, chose livecode 6.5.2 (the last version of lc that
specifically says it will work with a macos that old)  the machine has
1.25g of mem, and runs like a champ.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Kay C Lan, but I am after some slightly more obscure info:
>
> the last version working on Mac OS 10.4.11 as my MacMini PPC does not
> have suffiecient RAM to cope with 10.5.8 (and I am NOT going to pay for
> more RAM for a machine that spends most of its time running a variety of
> emulators: BBC Micro, Amiga and Commodore).
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 6/14/17 10:24 am, Kay C Lan via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Can confirm that LC 6.6.5 will run on a PPC running Leopard 10.5.8.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> 6.6.x I think was the last version to support PPC - 10.4+.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:32, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

 I wonder (to save me trawling endlessly though release notes) if
 anyone can tell me the last LC version to run on Mac PPC?

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Re: "For Young Coders"

2017-06-14 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Now imagine an LC toy in the app store.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don't know.
>
> BUT . . .
>
> Today I had a classroom of 9-10 year olds doing simple Mathematics with
> BBC BASIC in BBC Micro emulators
>
> [ http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ ]
>
> and one kid really "made my day" when he said, "Wow, this is serious
> programming,
> not like that baby Scratch thing."
>
> Research seems to suggest that while children rapidly become adept at
> assembling sub-Super Mario type
> games in Scratch and related block-coding things the theory that they will
> easily transition from that to
> programming-qua-programming is not true owing to they not having got the
> simple stuff of:
>
> constants, variables, strings, looping and branching
>
> under their belts in a readily transferrable form.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 6/14/17 5:53 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> On 06/13/2017 10:26 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> Death By Scratch: https://community.tes.com/thre
>>> ads/death-by-scratch.670594/
>>>
>>
>> !!! Is that *the* Rick Rubin?
>>
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Re: Mac PPC

2017-06-14 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

Thanks Kay C Lan, but I am after some slightly more obscure info:

the last version working on Mac OS 10.4.11 as my MacMini PPC does not
have suffiecient RAM to cope with 10.5.8 (and I am NOT going to pay for
more RAM for a machine that spends most of its time running a variety of
emulators: BBC Micro, Amiga and Commodore).

Richmond.

On 6/14/17 10:24 am, Kay C Lan via use-livecode wrote:

Can confirm that LC 6.6.5 will run on a PPC running Leopard 10.5.8.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
 wrote:

6.6.x I think was the last version to support PPC - 10.4+.

Mark

Sent from my iPhone


On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:32, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I wonder (to save me trawling endlessly though release notes) if
anyone can tell me the last LC version to run on Mac PPC?

Richmond.
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

2017-06-14 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

The whole discussion is becoming a "pane" and I for one am "board".

"a real Windows machine" is almost as meaningful as phrases such as 
"real men stand up to pee".


Richmond.

On 6/14/17 7:33 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/14/2017 08:38 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


What does "a real Windows machine" mean?



I'm not sure whether that would be using X, or POKEing addresses 32 
to 35

on and Apple ][ to define the scrolling window . . .




Possibly double-paned instead of boarded-up.



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Re: "For Young Coders"

2017-06-14 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

I don't know.

BUT . . .

Today I had a classroom of 9-10 year olds doing simple Mathematics with 
BBC BASIC in BBC Micro emulators


[ http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ ]

and one kid really "made my day" when he said, "Wow, this is serious 
programming,

not like that baby Scratch thing."

Research seems to suggest that while children rapidly become adept at 
assembling sub-Super Mario type
games in Scratch and related block-coding things the theory that they 
will easily transition from that to
programming-qua-programming is not true owing to they not having got the 
simple stuff of:


constants, variables, strings, looping and branching

under their belts in a readily transferrable form.

Richmond.

On 6/14/17 5:53 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/13/2017 10:26 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Death By Scratch: 
https://community.tes.com/threads/death-by-scratch.670594/


!!! Is that *the* Rick Rubin?



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/14/2017 08:38 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


What does "a real Windows machine" mean?



I'm not sure whether that would be using X, or POKEing addresses 32 to 35
on and Apple ][ to define the scrolling window . . .




Possibly double-paned instead of boarded-up.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

2017-06-14 Thread Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> What does "a real Windows machine" mean?
>

I'm not sure whether that would be using X, or POKEing addresses 32 to 35
on and Apple ][ to define the scrolling window . . .


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Re: clipsToRect property (was Re: Instantiaing Grouped Controls - Templates - Responsive)

2017-06-14 Thread Devin Asay via use-livecode
Great discussion!

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 1:20 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2017-06-14 02:18, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
>> I think this is one of those cases where the default behaviour was a
>> bad idea. Or perhaps was implemented before groups were used for much
>> other than backgrounds. Other objects we need to set to the formatted
>> width/height so why are groups special cased. Anyway, I would keep it
>> simple and use `Clips to rect` so at least it’s easy to relate to the
>> dictionary entry/property name.
> 
> Notionally 'backgrounds' don't really need an extent - they should be card 
> sized - the difference being that controls are shared amongst several cards.
> 
> Of course MetaCard generalized 'the background' to multiple backgrounds and 
> then groups (which aren't backgrounds) - however, as this was done 
> 'evolutionary', we've ended up with several properties for controlling them 
> which interact not-all-that-well.
> 
> If you step back and look at the types of 'group' thing which actually get 
> used, then there are probably only three main ones:
> 
>   1) Card sized layers which are not shared amongst cards (foreground groups, 
> if you like)
> 
>   2) Card sized layers which are shared amongst cards (background groups, if 
> you like)
> 
>   3) Groups with an explicit rect which are not shared amongst cards (control 
> groups, if you like)
> 
> (Variants of these where the content rect is distinct from the visible rect 
> are also plausible - i.e. scrolling views).
> 
> Currently (1) and (2) are catered for because groups (by default) resize to 
> the size of their controls; 'clipsToRect' caters for (3).
> 
> I'd perhaps suggest that 'Clips to rect' or similar is a suitable name for 
> the property. Why? Because that is precisely what it does - all children are 
> clipped to the rect of the group, rather than the group's rect being resized 
> to accomodate them so they are not clipped.
> 


As one who teaches newbies LiveCode, I am a proponent of property labels that 
are both succinct and descriptive, while not straying too far from the actual 
property name. There are obvious exceptions (destroyStack, anyone?). But in 
this case, maybe something like:

Clip child controls to rect

Strikes a good balance between similarity to the property name and giving a 
better idea of what the property does.

Devin


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Re: ANN: Widget Wizard

2017-06-14 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Thanks for sharing Mark. I still want to build one from scratch.. but
after thatI'm going to use your wizard. well done, all the best.

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>
> Fantastic, nice idea, thanks for sharing.
>
>
>
> -
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>
> TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
> TinyIDE
>
>
> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
>
> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker
> / finder.
> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
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Re: "For Young Coders"

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/13/2017 10:26 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Death By Scratch: 
https://community.tes.com/threads/death-by-scratch.670594/


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Re: LCGlobal

2017-06-14 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
This was such a cool idea.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> https://livecode.com/global/#sessions
>
> (much more than 1 hour for tomorrow :-)
>
>
> On 14/06/2017 14:16, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Do we have a schedule?  I don't seem to have one.  I know we have a
>> session, tomorrow, but I don't know if that's just 1 hour or what.
>>
>>
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Re: LCGlobal

2017-06-14 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode

https://livecode.com/global/#sessions

(much more than 1 hour for tomorrow :-)


On 14/06/2017 14:16, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

Do we have a schedule?  I don't seem to have one.  I know we have a
session, tomorrow, but I don't know if that's just 1 hour or what.




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LCGlobal

2017-06-14 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Do we have a schedule?  I don't seem to have one.  I know we have a
session, tomorrow, but I don't know if that's just 1 hour or what.

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Re: I need help with building standalones ! :-)

2017-06-14 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode

Thanks Panos.

(Now I need to review how I do my search for pre-existing bugs  - 
clearly not well enough :-)


-- Alex.


On 14/06/2017 14:06, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Alex, this is bug in LiveCode 9.0 DP-6, and it will be fixed in LiveCode
9.0 DP-7:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19429

Best,
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I went back to an earlier version (8.1.2 community) and everything works
as expected.

Bug 19865 submitted.

-- Alex.



On 13/06/2017 23:57, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


Normally I don't build standalones - I simply either run the stack in the
IDE, or via stackrunner, so I'm in 'unknown territory' here :-)

The app works fine in the IDE, but when I build a standalone, when I do
(full code below)

put revOpenDatabase(:sqlite",tFileName) into temp

I get the errorrevdberr,invalid database type

I did manual inclusions, and have selected Database and the SQLite driver.

Is there something else non-obvious I need to include ?

Or any other suggestion ?

Many thanks

Alex.


Actual code is  (a modified version of Andre's DB Lib), and yes, you
can see I've been flailing around trying to find out what's going on :-)


   switch gConfig["DB"]["Driver"]

 case "SQLite"

localtFileName

setthedefaultfoldertogDefaultFolder

   Log "defaultfolder is"&& thedefaultfolder

   Log "local files are"&& thedetailedfiles

putgConfig["DB"]["Filename"] intotFileName

   Log "start to open SQLite"&& tFileName

putrevOpenDatabase("sqlite", tFileName) intott

   Log "SQLite open gets "&& tt

   if tt isanumberthen

getdbSetDefaultConnectionID(tt)

   Log "database started using"&& gConfig["DB"]["Driver"] && tt

   else

Log "can't start DB"&& gConfig["DB"]["FileName"], 1

   end if

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Re: I need help with building standalones ! :-)

2017-06-14 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi Alex, this is bug in LiveCode 9.0 DP-6, and it will be fixed in LiveCode
9.0 DP-7:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19429

Best,
Panos
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On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I went back to an earlier version (8.1.2 community) and everything works
> as expected.
>
> Bug 19865 submitted.
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
>
> On 13/06/2017 23:57, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
>>
>> Normally I don't build standalones - I simply either run the stack in the
>> IDE, or via stackrunner, so I'm in 'unknown territory' here :-)
>>
>> The app works fine in the IDE, but when I build a standalone, when I do
>> (full code below)
>>
>>put revOpenDatabase(:sqlite",tFileName) into temp
>>
>> I get the errorrevdberr,invalid database type
>>
>> I did manual inclusions, and have selected Database and the SQLite driver.
>>
>> Is there something else non-obvious I need to include ?
>>
>> Or any other suggestion ?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>> Actual code is  (a modified version of Andre's DB Lib), and yes, you
>> can see I've been flailing around trying to find out what's going on :-)
>>
>>
>>   switch gConfig["DB"]["Driver"]
>>
>> case "SQLite"
>>
>> localtFileName
>>
>> setthedefaultfoldertogDefaultFolder
>>
>>   Log "defaultfolder is"&& thedefaultfolder
>>
>>   Log "local files are"&& thedetailedfiles
>>
>> putgConfig["DB"]["Filename"] intotFileName
>>
>>   Log "start to open SQLite"&& tFileName
>>
>> putrevOpenDatabase("sqlite", tFileName) intott
>>
>>   Log "SQLite open gets "&& tt
>>
>>   if tt isanumberthen
>>
>> getdbSetDefaultConnectionID(tt)
>>
>>   Log "database started using"&& gConfig["DB"]["Driver"] && tt
>>
>>   else
>>
>> Log "can't start DB"&& gConfig["DB"]["FileName"], 1
>>
>>   end if
>>
>> break
>>
>>
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Re: I need help with building standalones ! :-)

2017-06-14 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
I went back to an earlier version (8.1.2 community) and everything works 
as expected.


Bug 19865 submitted.

-- Alex.


On 13/06/2017 23:57, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


Normally I don't build standalones - I simply either run the stack in 
the IDE, or via stackrunner, so I'm in 'unknown territory' here :-)


The app works fine in the IDE, but when I build a standalone, when I 
do  (full code below)


   put revOpenDatabase(:sqlite",tFileName) into temp

I get the errorrevdberr,invalid database type

I did manual inclusions, and have selected Database and the SQLite 
driver.


Is there something else non-obvious I need to include ?

Or any other suggestion ?

Many thanks

Alex.


Actual code is  (a modified version of Andre's DB Lib), and yes, 
you can see I've been flailing around trying to find out what's going 
on :-)



  switch gConfig["DB"]["Driver"]

case "SQLite"

localtFileName

setthedefaultfoldertogDefaultFolder

  Log "defaultfolder is"&& thedefaultfolder

  Log "local files are"&& thedetailedfiles

putgConfig["DB"]["Filename"] intotFileName

  Log "start to open SQLite"&& tFileName

putrevOpenDatabase("sqlite", tFileName) intott

  Log "SQLite open gets "&& tt

  if tt isanumberthen

getdbSetDefaultConnectionID(tt)

  Log "database started using"&& gConfig["DB"]["Driver"] && tt

  else

Log "can't start DB"&& gConfig["DB"]["FileName"], 1

  end if

break



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Re: ANN: Widget Wizard

2017-06-14 Thread AndyP via use-livecode
Hi Mark,

Fantastic, nice idea, thanks for sharing.



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Re: Mac PPC

2017-06-14 Thread Kay C Lan via use-livecode
Can confirm that LC 6.6.5 will run on a PPC running Leopard 10.5.8.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
 wrote:
> 6.6.x I think was the last version to support PPC - 10.4+.
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:32, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I wonder (to save me trawling endlessly though release notes) if
>> anyone can tell me the last LC version to run on Mac PPC?
>>
>> Richmond.
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Re: clipsToRect property (was Re: Instantiaing Grouped Controls - Templates - Responsive)

2017-06-14 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-06-14 02:18, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

I think this is one of those cases where the default behaviour was a
bad idea. Or perhaps was implemented before groups were used for much
other than backgrounds. Other objects we need to set to the formatted
width/height so why are groups special cased. Anyway, I would keep it
simple and use `Clips to rect` so at least it’s easy to relate to the
dictionary entry/property name.


Notionally 'backgrounds' don't really need an extent - they should be 
card sized - the difference being that controls are shared amongst 
several cards.


Of course MetaCard generalized 'the background' to multiple backgrounds 
and then groups (which aren't backgrounds) - however, as this was done 
'evolutionary', we've ended up with several properties for controlling 
them which interact not-all-that-well.


If you step back and look at the types of 'group' thing which actually 
get used, then there are probably only three main ones:


   1) Card sized layers which are not shared amongst cards (foreground 
groups, if you like)


   2) Card sized layers which are shared amongst cards (background 
groups, if you like)


   3) Groups with an explicit rect which are not shared amongst cards 
(control groups, if you like)


(Variants of these where the content rect is distinct from the visible 
rect are also plausible - i.e. scrolling views).


Currently (1) and (2) are catered for because groups (by default) resize 
to the size of their controls; 'clipsToRect' caters for (3).


I'd perhaps suggest that 'Clips to rect' or similar is a suitable name 
for the property. Why? Because that is precisely what it does - all 
children are clipped to the rect of the group, rather than the group's 
rect being resized to accomodate them so they are not clipped.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: "clipsToRect" property

2017-06-14 Thread Quentin Long via use-livecode
My 2 cents' worth: Rather than "clipsToRect", call the property "visibleRect". 
Because that's what it is—it's the rectangular area of the screen, within which 
the specified portion of the group is visible.

   
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Re: HTML5 deployment: progress comes into sight

2017-06-14 Thread hh via use-livecode
Yet another creative contribution to this thread: SVGtoPNG_HTML5

This is a HTML5 standalone that is based on stacks that Jonathan and I made,
see livecodeshare.runrev.com or 'Sample stacks' (the stacks use a clever
conversion idea of Jonathan).

Launch SVGtoPNG_HTML5 from here:

(EU) http://hyperhh.org/html5/index-large.html#as
(US) http://hh.on-rev.com/html5/index-large.html#as

You can import your local SVGs (which will be forgotten as soon as the web
page is closed) and export to the web page, enabling the usual rightClick-
the-image-possibilities of your browser.
 
There are a few issues.
Latest Chrome and especially Opera do a very good job with even complicated
SVGs. Firefox just the same but resizes always to square shapes. Safari has
no problems with 'inkscape-style' SVGs but with some more complicated, else
it is very fast.

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Re: clipsToRect property (was Re: Instantiaing Grouped Controls - Templates - Responsive)

2017-06-14 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode

> On 14 Jun 2017, at 3:21 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder why we have both lockUpdates and boundingRect. They seem very 
> similar.

Lock updates is intended to avoid recalculation of group properties when child 
object properties are changed. The general idea is:

set the lockUpdates of group X to true
repeat
   — lots of stuff modifying group content here
end repeat
set the lockUpdates of group X to false

It is not saved with the stack as it’s intended to be transient.

So if that’s not clear from the docs we probably have a docs bug. 

I usually avoid boundingRect because you need to remember to update it if you 
change the group rect. clipsToRect is basically the same as:

on resizeControl
  set the boundingRect of me to the rect of me
end resizeControl

Cheers

Monte
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