Re: Autocomplete toggle?

2017-09-27 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode

> On 28 Sep 2017, at 3:32 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I wish it recorded sound, it would be helpful to say "now I'm typing a
> D, look 3 words back for the insertion" but that's what I'll probably use.
> 
> @Monte, I will have some free time next week, I'll see if I can reproduce the 
> problem then.

Great, thanks

Cheers

Monte
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Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Hi William,

As Ralph says, correct. I have an Enterprise account which was a really
difficult thing to get set up with Apple (took about 2 months). While it
costs $299/year, for me it's well worth it as I have published for several
hundred machines at once for some corporate events. MDM delivery over my
secure website is also a massive bonus for the TV Gameshow demo apps I put
together for my Broadcast clients. If it was only for beta testing I would
stay with the standard dev license.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*

'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 27 September 2017 at 21:05, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Correct, all testers UUIDs must be added to the provisioning profile. There
> a limit of 100/year. You can only delete old ones after your yearly
> developer renewal.
>
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:55 PM
> To: Use-livecode Use-livecode
> Cc: William Prothero
> Subject: Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS
>
> Sean:
> Thanks for the app. It should come in useful.
> I assume that the provisioning file created in the Apple Developer site
> (for
> beta testers) must contain the ID info of every device that it must run on,
> if it is not distributed through the app store?? I am writing several apps
> that will need significant beta testing, so I will be distributing them
> directly.
> Best,
> Bill P
>
> > On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi LC Community,
> >
> > I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them
> > to my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for
> > doing this have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple
> > one to meet Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract
> > it into your LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it
> > from the LC menu,
> > Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems
> > Development>Plugins>with
> > it.
> >
> > https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > www.pidigital.co.uk
> > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is
> > no box!'
> > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
> > of, but it is yourself!'
> >
> > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
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Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Hi Matthias,

I've made the change for filenames that include special characters. I've
also made changes to footprint as it was apparently too large on some
smaller screens.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
+44(1634)402193
+44(7702)116447
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box!'
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On 27 September 2017 at 20:23, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> thanks. I´ve just tried it, but is it possible that the plugin does forget
> to rename the zip file to ipa?
>
> At least here, the created file is a zip file instead of an ipa.
>
>
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌wirmachen.software ‌
>
> > Am 27.09.2017 um 16:43 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >
> > Hi LC Community,
> >
> > I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them to
> > my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for doing
> this
> > have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple one to meet
> > Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract it into your
> > LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it from the LC menu,
> > Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems
> with
> > it.
> >
> > https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip <
> https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip>
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > www.pidigital.co.uk
> > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> > box!'
> > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
> of,
> > but it is yourself!'
> >
> > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 168, Issue 50

2017-09-27 Thread hh via use-livecode
> > JLG wrote:
> > The original issue that influenced this one was how to provide a
> > larger hit zone on an SVG widget.
> > How would this property work for that?

> Quentin L. wrote:
> I’m thinking that a single line of code would suffice:
>
> set the clickableRegion of widget “Fred” to ListOfPoints
>
> As i’ve noted previously, the engine *already* handles clickable
> regions for *every* control ... 

No. Sadly (or luckily, depending on one's point of view) a widget is
not an ordinary control. This has to be implemented in the widget.

To see this write one that handles only the mouse events, not to
speak of a clickable region.
Even this is hard to control: who gets first which mouseEvent, the
widget's script or the widget.
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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 168, Issue 50

2017-09-27 Thread Quentin Long via use-livecode
sez “J. Landman Gay" :
> The original issue that influenced this one was how to provide a larger hit 
> zone on an SVG widget. How would this property work for that?
I’m thinking that a single line of code would suffice:

set the clickableRegion of widget “Fred” to ListOfPoints

As i’ve noted previously, the engine *already* handles clickable regions for 
*every* control, and my proposal ‘merely’ (he says, optimistically…) opens up 
the engine’s mechanisms to the extent of granting developers the opportunity to 
override the engine’s default “define the clickable region” behavior. If a dev 
is happy with the default clickable regions provided by the engine, that dev 
can just ignore the clickableRegion property and everything should work the 
same as it always did… but if a dev *isn’t* happy with the default clickable 
regions provided by the engine, *then* that dev can mess around with the 
clickableRegion property.



   
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RE: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Correct, all testers UUIDs must be added to the provisioning profile. There
a limit of 100/year. You can only delete old ones after your yearly
developer renewal.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of William Prothero via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:55 PM
To: Use-livecode Use-livecode
Cc: William Prothero
Subject: Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

Sean:
Thanks for the app. It should come in useful.
I assume that the provisioning file created in the Apple Developer site (for
beta testers) must contain the ID info of every device that it must run on,
if it is not distributed through the app store?? I am writing several apps
that will need significant beta testing, so I will be distributing them
directly.
Best,
Bill P

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
 wrote:
> 
> Hi LC Community,
> 
> I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them 
> to my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for 
> doing this have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple 
> one to meet Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract 
> it into your LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it 
> from the LC menu,
> Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems 
> Development>Plugins>with
> it.
> 
> https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is 
> no box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside 
> of, but it is yourself!'
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609 
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Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Sean:
Thanks for the app. It should come in useful.
I assume that the provisioning file created in the Apple Developer site (for 
beta testers) must contain the ID info of every device that it must run on, if 
it is not distributed through the app store?? I am writing several apps that 
will need significant beta testing, so I will be distributing them directly.
Best,
Bill P

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi LC Community,
> 
> I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them to
> my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for doing this
> have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple one to meet
> Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract it into your
> LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it from the LC menu,
> Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems with
> it.
> 
> https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
I can repair for that. Thanks Matthias. Invaluable.

Sean

On 27 September 2017 at 20:51, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> seems this happens when the appname contains a space
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌wirmachen.software ‌
>
> > Am 27.09.2017 um 21:23 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > thanks. I´ve just tried it, but is it possible that the plugin does
> forget to rename the zip file to ipa?
> >
> > At least here, the created file is a zip file instead of an ipa.
> >
> >
> > Matthias Rebbe
> > +49 5741 31
> > ‌wirmachen.software  http://wirmachen.software/>>‌
> >
> >> Am 27.09.2017 um 16:43 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>  runrev.com>>>:
> >>
> >> Hi LC Community,
> >>
> >> I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them
> to
> >> my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for doing
> this
> >> have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple one to meet
> >> Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract it into your
> >> LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it from the LC
> menu,
> >> Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems
> with
> >> it.
> >>
> >> https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip <
> https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip> /livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip  co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip>>
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> >> www.pidigital.co.uk 
> >> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is
> no
> >> box!'
> >> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
> of,
> >> but it is yourself!'
> >>
> >> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> >> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Hi again,

seems this happens when the appname contains a space

Regards,
Matthias
Matthias Rebbe
+49 5741 31
‌wirmachen.software ‌

> Am 27.09.2017 um 21:23 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> thanks. I´ve just tried it, but is it possible that the plugin does forget to 
> rename the zip file to ipa?
> 
> At least here, the created file is a zip file instead of an ipa.
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌wirmachen.software >‌
> 
>> Am 27.09.2017 um 16:43 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>  
>> > >>:
>> 
>> Hi LC Community,
>> 
>> I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them to
>> my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for doing this
>> have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple one to meet
>> Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract it into your
>> LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it from the LC menu,
>> Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems with
>> it.
>> 
>> https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip 
>> >  >
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> www.pidigital.co.uk 
>> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
>> box!'
>> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
>> but it is yourself!'
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: [ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Hi Sean,

thanks. I´ve just tried it, but is it possible that the plugin does forget to 
rename the zip file to ipa?

At least here, the created file is a zip file instead of an ipa.


Matthias Rebbe
+49 5741 31
‌wirmachen.software ‌

> Am 27.09.2017 um 16:43 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Hi LC Community,
> 
> I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them to
> my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for doing this
> have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple one to meet
> Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract it into your
> LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it from the LC menu,
> Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems with
> it.
> 
> https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip 
> 
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Jim Lambert via use-livecode

> Herman wrote:
> 
> Make a circular arc showing 70% of a pie and then tell us when clicking
> into the oval which part is hit, the 70% or the transparent 30%.
> 
> A one-liner?


Here’s a kludge. But it’s no one liner.

It takes a few milliseconds depending on size of the graphic.

on mouseUp pButtonNumber
   put inMe(the target, the clickloc)
end mouseUp

function inMe targ, where
   lock screen
   import snapshot from targ
   set the loc of the last image to the loc of targ
   put within(the last image, where) into returnValue
   delete the last image
   return returnValue
end inMe

Put the mouseUp handler in the graphic script.
The function can go in the graphic, group, card or stack script.

Jim Lambert
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Re: Beacons and Bluetooth

2017-09-27 Thread Todd Fabacher via use-livecode
Hello Lagi,

I replied to the forum post. We tried but not much luck. With the new LCB,
we could talk about something for now. Beacons are a bit different than
most Bluetooth devices. They will require wrapping and SDK.

I am open to figuring out how we can get this done as an LC Widget Lib and
get it out to other developers.

We are wrapping the Android Finger Print Touch ID as a test. Let's see how
it goes.

--Todd
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OT: OMGwebsites

2017-09-27 Thread Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode
Hi Bob,

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Almost inevitably, they would get back to him days
> or even weeks later and say, "How's that web page
> coming along. We really need it." He would reply that
> he asked for content and had not gotten it yet.
> They would usually reply something like, "I thought
> that was what you did."
> Yeah. I'm not kidding.

This story reflects exactly my own experience... and
this explains why I prefer to avoid web design, as much
as I can. But given the absence of LiveCode content in spanish
language, I must have to create new content (or translate current
articles and posts).

Al
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Re: Beacons and Bluetooth

2017-09-27 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode




On September 27, 2017 10:40:01 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
 wrote:.


The Documentation/Dictionary says OS - IOS/OSX and PLatforms -
Desktop/Mobile - not very specific as IOS is mobile in the Platforms and
the Word Mobile suggests BOTH IOS and Android.

My questions are thus (for other time challenged seekers of Livecode Wisdom
from the trenches)

1. Can MergBL be used with Android
2. if Not then How best to do it


The Bluetooth external is only for iOS currently. The dictionary entry is 
correct, the environment it works in is mobile, the platform {the OS) is iOS.


I don't know of any way to use Bluetooth on Android.
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Re: Autocomplete toggle?

2017-09-27 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

Thanks. I wish it recorded sound, it would be helpful to say "now I'm typing a
D, look 3 words back for the insertion" but that's what I'll probably use.

@Monte, I will have some free time next week, I'll see if I can reproduce 
the problem then.


---
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On September 27, 2017 9:17:10 AM Robert Brenstein via use-livecode 
 wrote:



On 27 Sep 2017, at 7:16, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:


What this sounds like (at least I think it sounds like) is an
autocomplete placeholder got messed up somehow causing typing in one
place to also add the text elsewhere. If that’s the case then
turning autocomplete off once it’s messed up won’t really help.
There’s been a bit of movement in this code since DP 2 so it may be
that your issue is fixed already. If you see it again do you think
you could take some screen recording of it and send to me?



I'd need to find some screen recording software. Preferably free, if
you know of anything.


Quicktime Player can do it. Nothing fancy but is free. I’ve been using
it regularly to record screen activity for troubleshooting. Make sure to
check recording the mouse clicks, otherwise it is often hard to see what
you ate doing.

Robert
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Re: OT: OMGwebsites

2017-09-27 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I think you are overestimating people in general. I knew a guy I worked with in 
a Church setting, who did all the web development for the different web pages 
for each ministry. (It was a large Church). He would be contracted to produce a 
presence page for a particular ministry, so he would ask the head of that 
ministry for some content. Photos, text blurbs, the usual. 

Almost inevitably, they would get back to him days or even weeks later and say, 
"How's that web page coming along. We really need it." He would reply that he 
asked for content and had not gotten it yet. They would usually reply something 
like, "I thought that was what you did." 

Yeah. I'm not kidding. 

Bob S



> On Sep 27, 2017, at 09:44 , Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I pointed this out they first did not get why the external links would 
> not work and they said the content will appear. I can only think this comes 
> from the fact that most folks under 30 have grown up with the internet and 
> all it's content just being there magically and when they get to a point of 
> having to produce it they just think it is always out there and they don't 
> have to really deal with it even when their job requires creating good 
> content for their companies or orgs needs. I have been bluntly asked many 
> times why should I bother creating the content. I keep asking well where will 
> folks get it? Call you up, lord no that costs too much money and we don't 
> want to answer questions that way!


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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Mark Waddingham wrote:
> On 2017-09-27 03:20, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> Been there.
>> When they're stacked on top of each other the transparent part of the
>> rect is still the object under the cursor, and so obscures what's
>> underneath.
>
> Methinks that could be considered a bug :)
>
> The graphic object does do hit-testing based on the content of the
> graphic - but it is not complete/100% accurate for all graphic types.
...
> For ovals: incorrect! It checks the point is within the oval defined
> by the rect *but* it does not take into account startangle or angle.

Thanks  - submitted:

Oval graphics use incorrect hit-testing
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20479

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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
As far as the pie charts go.. A workaround is to create the required ovals
one at a time and import an image from each, then stack THOSE up.

Or alternatively use the ovals, stack them, group them, and have a list of
background colors used in each, and then in the group mouseup handler use
the mousecolor to determine what/where was clicked.  To be able to hit an
area that has no oval color would require one more hoop to be jumped
through.  Place a full oval matching background color behind the pie
segments that can catch a click in the "empty" location (still using the
mousecolor)

Which makes me think, how about a new object.  An oval with definable color
arcs.  0 to 85 blue, 85 to 270 red, 270 onward green.   (or an innocuous
grey meaning no data defined for that chunk)  Then one could still check
the mousecolor to determine a clicks result.  The negative of this method
is that one couldn't explode the pie chart.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode  wrote:

> marvelous, very important thread…in mobile, it's all about the touch msg…
>
> yes "all of the above" the enhancement request to allow margins for
> widgets stands as still useful but plays directly into the other scenarios
> described here.  And though separate "desires," they do over lap
>
> e.g. As it is now, the entire rect of an SVG widget is it's hit box.
> Hence the request for margins… which is "it's own solution"
>
> But then, this:
>
> "When they're stacked on top of each other the transparent part of the
> rect is still the object under the cursor, and so obscures what's
> underneath."
>
> Having SVG on top of a graphic or vice-versa is, will be, a common use
> case, which is yet another scenario.
>
> you may *not* want the mouse event  to pass through the "transparent"
> area. to objects below, objects below being "eye-candy" (gradient
> backgrounds etc.)
>
> How Mark will provide a solution for "all of the above" will be
> interesting to see.
>
>
> Richard wrote:
>
> And where an SVG widget needs a clickable region larger than its
> bounds,
> the SVG widget would need to be enhanced to provide that.
>
> All of these are practical desires, but each has its own solution.
>
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Re: Beacons and Bluetooth

2017-09-27 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
Lagi: yes this is really bigger than we see.

Probably need a whole forum area dedicated to NFC, Bluetooth Comms.

FWIW I talked with Jacque about this yesterday. NFC in the form of "within 4-5 
cm" is available now on Android if you have Indy or business. Maybe by next 
year for iOS… the "beacons" are cheap. 20-30 cents each. (think WalMart 
Warehouse… 1000's of these stuck on shelves for inventory control) Phone picks 
up the ID of the chip and away you go… 

Andre was telling me last year there is a lot of NFC Beacon Dev going on in 
Brasil. If this were all exposed in community or community plus, it could 
"explode" 

Anyway, with 3,000 plus visitors a month, all walking in with smart phones, we 
have a very strong use case for anything we can do with this in Livecode. 

just my two mangos in Hawaii.

and yes I don’t' have time right now to dive into it, so agreed:

   " Don't Make me think - show me the Banana"

= centralized NFC/Beacon documentation, sample scripts, stacks

etc.

Brahmanathaswami




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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
marvelous, very important thread…in mobile, it's all about the touch msg…

yes "all of the above" the enhancement request to allow margins for widgets 
stands as still useful but plays directly into the other scenarios described 
here.  And though separate "desires," they do over lap

e.g. As it is now, the entire rect of an SVG widget is it's hit box. 
Hence the request for margins… which is "it's own solution" 

But then, this:

"When they're stacked on top of each other the transparent part of the
rect is still the object under the cursor, and so obscures what's
underneath."  

Having SVG on top of a graphic or vice-versa is, will be, a common use case, 
which is yet another scenario.

you may *not* want the mouse event  to pass through the "transparent" area. to 
objects below, objects below being "eye-candy" (gradient backgrounds etc.)

How Mark will provide a solution for "all of the above" will be interesting to 
see.


Richard wrote:

And where an SVG widget needs a clickable region larger than its bounds, 
the SVG widget would need to be enhanced to provide that.

All of these are practical desires, but each has its own solution.

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Re: OT: OMGwebsites

2017-09-27 Thread Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode
Mark,

Welcome to the new world of websites... I've gotten out of the business as 
content is now an evil thing in websites. It's being tossed out right and left 
and what's left is being rewritten into three sentence paragraphs of 
garbledgook separated by large full width photos and repeated 10-20 times down 
a page in the longest scrolls I have ever seen these days!

Websites that were all about content are even doing this. One client actually 
said why do we have all this content, let's dump it. When I asked where the 
visitors will get the content on the community (chamber site), they said we can 
just do external links to get that content. I then asked where those sites 
would be and they listed a few, but all these sites linked to us to get that 
content, we were the only ones who had it. When I pointed this out they first 
did not get why the external links would not work and they said the content 
will appear. I can only think this comes from the fact that most folks under 30 
have grown up with the internet and all it's content just being there magically 
and when they get to a point of having to produce it they just think it is 
always out there and they don't have to really deal with it even when their job 
requires creating good content for their companies or orgs needs. I have been 
bluntly asked many times why should I bother creating the content
 . I keep asking well where will folks get it? Call you up, lord no that costs 
too much money and we don't want to answer questions that way!

Order and organization is also now forbidden. Things are arranged with pictures 
and statements and the condensed content bits are then sprinkled in after this 
with no real thought as to order and organization.

It may also come from marketing. There is a strong camp in marketing that I've 
run into for decades in working with marketing both internal and external that 
feels you never want to be really clear about what you are selling. Use to 
drive me crazy as we would have the top rated product but the marketing 
materials really did not clearly show what we had and emphasize the main points 
we were rated so highly for! On the marketing materials we looked just the same 
as our lowest quality competitors! 

I've been finding it harder myself to get basic information on things in my own 
web research as well due to all the above, it's sad as you would think it would 
get easier with time here but most of the basic information for companies and 
products is getting dropped and fuzzier. The worse thing is this has been 
translated over to content focused sites as being the new cultural norm to 
follow. Very sad...

Jeff

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> I gotta say I feel better about the LC website after reading this:
> 
> https://hackernoon.com/for-the-love-of-god-please-tell-me-what-your-company-does-c2f0b835ab92
> 
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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-09-27 03:20, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

Been there.
When they're stacked on top of each other the transparent part of the
rect is still the object under the cursor, and so obscures what's
underneath.


Methinks that could be considered a bug :)

The graphic object does do hit-testing based on the content of the 
graphic - but it is not complete/100% accurate for all graphic types.


For opaque rectangles: correct - it checks the point is within the rect.

For non-opaque rectangles: correct - it checks the point is within the 
outline.


For rounded rectangles: incorrect - it uses the same code as rectangle 
(so roundness of corners is not taken into account).


For regular polygons, polygons and curves: correct - it checks if the 
point is within the outline and (if opaque) it checks the point is 
within the polygon.


For lines: correct - it checks whether the point is on the line.

For ovals: incorrect! It checks the point is within the oval defined by 
the rect *but* it does not take into account startangle or angle.


As a pie chart would be a stacked collection of oval graphics with 
different angles/startangles - this is why it doesn't work.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

hh wrote:

>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> > Mark Wieder wrote:
>> > That's the point where I stopped trying to do pie charts in
>> > LiveCode.
>> > Worse: try to set a tooltip showing the percentage under the
>> > cursor.
>>
>> Multiple graphic objects?
>
> Sadly no. This simply doubles the problem.
> The pie chart was the cause I made the mentioned "pointInShape"-stack.
> There it is done by computing a math relation for the arc, but would
> be easier to see by a points-path, that describeds the outline of the
> pie.

I think it depends on what one wants to do.

For a great many cases your chart widget would be a perfect fit, and I 
appreciate your sharing it.


But in Microsoft Excel, LibreOffice Calc, and others, the various arcs 
that comprise a pie chart are handled as separate vector objects, giving 
us the opportunity to pull one out to draw attention to it, or adjust 
its graphic properties separate from the others.


If the bug Mark Wieder described were addressed, all that plus accurate 
hit testing would be easily accomplished with existing objects.


If one were to replicate that part of LC's graphics-manipulation 
subsystem inside of a widget (allowing the pointer tool to handle 
elements of a pie chart separately, allowing all of the graphics 
properties we have to be applied to specific interior objects, etc.) it 
would seem an ambitious task.


For the most common use cases your widget seems a good option.

For other cases it seems also worth pursuing the hit-testing bug with 
graphics.


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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Exactly.  This discussion has raised so many very different use-cases 
that I don't believe any single solution will satisfy them all.


In those cases where an irregular shape needs to work like a rectangular 
button, it would seem simplest to use a button displaying the image as 
an icon.


Where an image needs to treat clicks in a way that reflect its visual 
outline, the default behavior may already suffice in some cases, and in 
others there may be ways to adjust the alpha threshold for the desired 
effect.


Where Mark Wieder expects arcs to be clickable only within the visible 
shape, I agree and would call that one a bug, so the behavior is made 
consistent with polygons and images.


And where an SVG widget needs a clickable region larger than its bounds, 
the SVG widget would need to be enhanced to provide that.


All of these are practical desires, but each has its own solution.

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J. Landman Gay wrote:

The original issue that influenced this one was how to provide a larger hit 
zone on an SVG widget. How would this property work for that?


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On September 26, 2017 6:56:56 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Colin Holgate wrote:

 > The way that this problem is handled in sort other tools is to have a
 > definable hit area for each control (usually those would be buttons).
 > You can set the idle, over, and pressed versions of the button’s
 > image, and also you can set the hit area image.
 >
 > LiveCode already has a way to do most of that, couldn’t the hit area
 > be another entry I the inspector’s icons section?

This seems like a viable option, easy to use for a wide range of
use-cases and presumably within reasonable cost for the engine team to
implement, since it would be a variant of the existing code used to
calculate hit regions from the alpha channel.

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Re: Autocomplete toggle?

2017-09-27 Thread Robert Brenstein via use-livecode

On 27 Sep 2017, at 7:16, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

What this sounds like (at least I think it sounds like) is an 
autocomplete placeholder got messed up somehow causing typing in one 
place to also add the text elsewhere. If that’s the case then 
turning autocomplete off once it’s messed up won’t really help. 
There’s been a bit of movement in this code since DP 2 so it may be 
that your issue is fixed already. If you see it again do you think 
you could take some screen recording of it and send to me?



I'd need to find some screen recording software. Preferably free, if 
you know of anything.


Quicktime Player can do it. Nothing fancy but is free. I’ve been using 
it regularly to record screen activity for troubleshooting. Make sure to 
check recording the mouse clicks, otherwise it is often hard to see what 
you ate doing.


Robert
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Beacons and Bluetooth

2017-09-27 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi All,

I thought I would post a link to a forum post I made -- Nobody seems to
have a an answer even a simple yes/no
or even a fully fledged Stack with Scott Rossi designed UI it seems ;-)

Better men than me have done this "double posting" - Hi Todd

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8=29797

KIndest Regards Lagi



-- Here is the post to save clicking around

Hi All,

I have found a couple of posts that say you can use beacons specifically
Ibeacons with Livecode and Monte's MergBLE

In one thread Dixie says he used kontakt.io beacons with the MergCL
external instead (why)

>From my understanding when MergEXT was bought in and Monte came for the
Ride  :D it was only for IOS but promised that it would be extended for
other operating systems

In another thread, someone asks can Beacons be controlled using Livecode
and QuailCreek answers MergBLE is available in the Indy and Business
versions but doesn't say it doesn't work in Android thus intimating that it
can be used in both mobile operationg systems.

The Documentation/Dictionary says OS - IOS/OSX and PLatforms -
Desktop/Mobile - not very specific as IOS is mobile in the Platforms and
the Word Mobile suggests BOTH IOS and Android.

My questions are thus (for other time challenged seekers of Livecode Wisdom
from the trenches)

1. Can MergBL be used with Android
2. if Not then How best to do it
3. Is there any more (any?) documentation other than standard API/header
calls -
Don't Make me think - show me the Banana

4. Any other Wisdom , Tips, Tricks, Do's and Don'ts (will save others a
hell of a lot of searching I hope)
5. A fully working stack with Beautiful GUI crafted by Scott Rossi that
does everything I would ever need with a beacon (except the ordering of
Coffee and Eggs when the Fridge is empty) - well it's worth a try  :wink:

KIndest Regards Lagi
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Re: Arrow keys in SE

2017-09-27 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
And if you hold the shift key down it will select as it goes. 

Bob S


> On Sep 27, 2017, at 07:55 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> While you are at it, try optioning left and right. Should do a word at a 
> time. Really useful if you get used to it. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 16:27 , Devin Asay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me second Richard’s observation, but it’s effects are slightly 
>> different. On the Mac it is standard to be able to use Cmd + right arrow to 
>> move to the end of a line of text. With auto complete in the new SE that no 
>> longer works. Anyone else observing that?
>> 
>> Devin
> 

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Re: Arrow keys in SE

2017-09-27 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
While you are at it, try optioning left and right. Should do a word at a time. 
Really useful if you get used to it. 

Bob S


> On Sep 26, 2017, at 16:27 , Devin Asay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let me second Richard’s observation, but it’s effects are slightly different. 
> On the Mac it is standard to be able to use Cmd + right arrow to move to the 
> end of a line of text. With auto complete in the new SE that no longer works. 
> Anyone else observing that?
> 
> Devin

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Re: OT: OMGwebsites

2017-09-27 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Great article. I do the same thing myself, going elsewhere if I cannot get 
enough informatino, but my beef is when there is no phone number or even a chat 
bubble I can use to talk to someone about what my particular problem is and 
whether or not the solution will solve it. No one to contact means to me, "Such 
a small startup company that we cannot hire someone to answer the phone or 
address your issue in person, and we are hoping you won't notice."

Bob S


> On Sep 26, 2017, at 18:11 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I gotta say I feel better about the LC website after reading this:
> 
> https://hackernoon.com/for-the-love-of-god-please-tell-me-what-your-company-does-c2f0b835ab92
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com


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[ANN] IPA Build Tool for iOS

2017-09-27 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Hi LC Community,

I needed to create IPAs of my iOS software so that I could upload them to
my website for Enterprise distribution but all the old tools for doing this
have been deprecated by Apple. So I've created this simple one to meet
Apple's new standard way to produce them. Simply extract it into your
LiveCode plugins folder and you will be able to open it from the LC menu,
Development>Plugins>IPA_Builder. Let me know if you have any problems with
it.

https://livecode.pidigital.co.uk/IPA_Builder.zip

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
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box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

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Native Fingerprint check for Android

2017-09-27 Thread Todd Fabacher via use-livecode
Hello All,

We are trying to create an LCB lib to check the fingerprints using the
native API calls. But we are getting permission problems. Here is the forum
post:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29800

The fingerprint API is level 23 of the Android SDK from version 6.0. We
need to confirm that the LCB is supporting calls from this version. Also,
what do we need to do to make sure that we can set *metadata
android.permissions is "USE_FINGERPRINT"*?? The error is android saying
there is no permission required. And also the app crashes when I'm calling
isHardwareDetected() method.

Your help is MUCH appreciated.  Please let us know.

--Todd & Gurgen
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Re: A modest proposal for a new property

2017-09-27 Thread Quentin Long via use-livecode
sez  hh :
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> How would you determine that a clickLoc is within such a
> "region" or not?
> (Say, for simplicity, the region is inside the control's
> rectangle)
Given that the engine *already does* have *some* sort of mechanism for 
determining which control gets triggered by a click at an arbitrary location, 
I'm pretty sure that this is a solved problem on some level. As matters stand, 
the clickable region for a control is entirely determined by the engine; my 
proposal makes that clickable region a thing which developers can adjust.

   
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Re: Autocomplete toggle?

2017-09-27 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 9/27/17 12:58 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:



On 27 Sep 2017, at 3:45 pm, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Here's the whole line. I first added the two hyphens at the front, then tried 
to add the trailing hyphenated comment at the end which is where it went off 
the rails:

-- pass scrollerDidScroll -- jg: don't pass, it blocks scrolling when there are 
nested behaviors


Is it possible that one or the other (or both) of these comments were inserted 
via autocomplete completion? It would have added a comment placeholder that you 
would have needed to delete. I’m wondering if deleting it didn’t clear the 
placeholder right…


I don't think that's it. I typed both sets of hyphens manually. The 
original line of code was written in LC 8.x and I was updating it in 
9.0dp9. I added the two hyphens at the front manually, then tried to add 
the second comment at the end manually.


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FMaker is a utility stack to make folders/directories.

2017-09-27 Thread James Hale via use-livecode
Just uploaded to "sample stacks" (button on toolbar in IDE or 


 FMaker is a utility stack to make folders/directories.

It will take a list of files from a directory (or a text file) and create 
folders with the same names as are in the list.

Once loaded:
• the list can be edited within the stack,
• the list entries can have text removed or replaced
* GREP can be used
• if the list comes from a directory listing the files can be moved into the 
  newly created folders.
• it uses a couple of SVG widgets so hopefully you will see them.

I actually use it as a standalone on my Mac.

Origin.
I handle quite a few media files which, after processing, need to be placed in 
a folder having the same (or similar) name.
Given I do this a lot this was definately a task that could be automated in 
some way.

Enjoy!
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Re: Autocomplete toggle?

2017-09-27 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode

> On 27 Sep 2017, at 3:45 pm, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Here's the whole line. I first added the two hyphens at the front, then 
>> tried to add the trailing hyphenated comment at the end which is where it 
>> went off the rails:
>> 
>> -- pass scrollerDidScroll -- jg: don't pass, it blocks scrolling when there 
>> are nested behaviors

Is it possible that one or the other (or both) of these comments were inserted 
via autocomplete completion? It would have added a comment placeholder that you 
would have needed to delete. I’m wondering if deleting it didn’t clear the 
placeholder right… 

Cheers

Monte
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