Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

I would need to look, but I recall Apple making a big deal about Siri doing
the wake up completely on device and not transmitting anything unless
actually doing a query. This was around the time the 6 or 6S came out with
the always listening option. (Of course I do occasionally wake her up
unintentionally...)
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:44 PM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On Nov 8, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It wouldn't be possible for them to do what they do without an always-on
> >> mic connected to the Internet.
> >
> > Also true. But I suspect recognizing the wake up command can be done
> entirely locally.
> >
> It would be nice if the wake up command, when recognized, established the
> internet connection. That would also save a lot of traffic and cpu cycles
> on the far end.
> .Jerry
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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Jerry Jensen via use-livecode]

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> It wouldn't be possible for them to do what they do without an always-on 
>> mic connected to the Internet.
> 
> Also true. But I suspect recognizing the wake up command can be done entirely 
> locally.
> 
It would be nice if the wake up command, when recognized, established the 
internet connection. That would also save a lot of traffic and cpu cycles on 
the far end.
.Jerry


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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Jim Lambert wrote:

> RichardG wrote:
>>
>> But there's no question that all voice-activated systems (Apple's
>> Siri, Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Corana, Google's voice navigation)
>> must listen at all times in order to be able to know when you call
>> them by name.
>
> True.
>
>> It wouldn't be possible for them to do what they do without an
>> always-on mic connected to the Internet.
>
> Also true. But I suspect recognizing the wake up command can be done
> entirely locally.

I once thought so, but then I reviewed the audio clips in my account and 
apparently not.  Or maybe they're just under contract with Five Eyes. :)


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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

RichardG wrote:
> 
> But there's no question that all voice-activated systems (Apple's Siri, 
> Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Corana, Google's voice navigation) must 
> listen at all times in order to be able to know when you call them by 
> name.
> 

True.

> It wouldn't be possible for them to do what they do without an always-on 
> mic connected to the Internet.

Also true. But I suspect recognizing the wake up command can be done entirely 
locally.

Jim Lambert

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Re: The coming of SVG

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

My $0.02 on the three leading candidates:

"picture" -- gets my vote for this proposed object because we have 
decades of precedent well established with Apple's picture ('PICT') 
format, distinguished by the same thing that defines this new object: a 
type of image that can be comprised of vector or raster elements, or any 
mix of the two.


"canvas" -- *might* be a better choice *IF* LC's implementation can 
support at least a substantial subset of HTML's well-known canvas 
object.  Otherwise it just becomes confusing, with unmeetable expectations.


"viewer" -- too general for an image object; everything on screen can be 
"viewed"; a window is already as much a "viewer" as anything else.


Besides, the xTalk world already has a precedent for a Viewer object, 
one that's every bit as general as such a broad term implies:


Gain Momentum's Viewer objects allowed its scripter using that Unix and 
Windows toolkit to view any stack inside a rectangle within any other stack.


Though I doubt it's currently a front-burner project for the team, at 
various times Mark Waddingham has expressed interest in it, 
understandably given the vast range of powerful options it would open up 
for us to add that Gain feature in LiveCode.


Yes, it's in the RQCC:
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2786

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 8 Nov 2017, at 10:25, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:


Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time


I suspect that may be the reason. I've heard (well, misheard) pretty 
weird stuff when I've been unwell enough to be bed-ridden. :)


k

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Re: The coming of SVG

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

Viewer +1

Jim Lambert

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Re: The coming of SVG

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I was just reading an article, this morning, about the trainwreck of new
gestures to accommodate the X's lack of a home button, and I guess what the
author was saying is pretty much what I'm trying to say:  If it isn't
obvious and easy, then it's wrong.  Keep the language on the level of what
a grade schooler would grasp and not forget.  If that means we chop down
several objects into the graphic object, and just add a "type" property,
then so be it.  Most of these other proposals don't keep it simple.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Devin Asay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Having followed this discussion from digest purgatory while on a
> conference trip, my vote is for “Viewer” as well.
>
> Viewer has these advantages:
>  -  not already a token in either LCS or LCB (that I know of)
>  -  is descriptive of what it does
>  -  is a nice parallel to player, a container for various time-based media.
>
> Viewport is a possibility, but it seems to already have a fairly precise
> technical definition in the computer graphics world.
>
> Canvas is okay, but evokes painting not vector graphics.
>
> My $.02.
>
> Devin
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> Martin Koob wrote:
> what about calling it a *viewer* object which would then
> allow us to view SVGs, images, graphics or any other
> drawing or illustration format.
>
> Actually, I like the name "viewer" too, but if we could use
> the word "viewer" then "viewport" is more descriptive:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewport
>
> By the way, this new control is a LC9 only widget. Right?
>
> Al
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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:51 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Zuckerberg keeps tape over his laptop camera.
> 
If anyone by happenstance caught me on camera after a shower, I'm sure they 
would burn their own phone. :-) 

Bob S




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RE: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>Zuckerberg keeps tape over his laptop camera.

Who doesn't? I had mine on for so long that when I was a speaker at RR Global I 
had a heck of a time getting it off and cleaning the lenses. I also cover all 
mobile devices front facing camera. I keep the back facing one open and make 
sure the device is face up when I put it down. Too many fleeting nature pics to 
keep the back one covered. And I can't imagine having a smart phone or any 
internet connect device the bedroom.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

My only contact with Alexa was at Christmas, 2 yrs ago. I don’t activate “hey, 
Siri” on any of my devices. I’ll have to check my Kindle Fire, tho but I’m 
pretty sure I didn’t turn it on.

I’ll update this group if I find anything interesting.
Best,
Bill

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http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> prothero wrote:
> 
> > ...this did get me thinking about the spyware developed to listen in
> > on people’s smart phone microphone without the owner being logged in. > 
> > Especially by intelligence agencies, but who would be interested in a
> > retire Santa Barbara faculty member. I will get on bitdefender’s list
> > with this question.
> 
> Please let us know what you find.
> 
> There's quite a controversy going on about how much of one's personal 
> conversations the Facebook app listens to.
> 
> But there's no question that all voice-activated systems (Apple's Siri, 
> Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Corana, Google's voice navigation) must listen at 
> all times in order to be able to know when you call them by name.
> 
> It wouldn't be possible for them to do what they do without an always-on mic 
> connected to the Internet.
> 
> At least Google (hopefully all of them) provides a place in account settings 
> to hear the last several clips it sent to their server to try to determine if 
> you were actually activating the voice service or just talking to someone in 
> the room.
> 
> Once I listened to those clips, I was momentarily relieved to find nothing 
> there of any particular interest, just me talking to my wife about shopping, 
> with a friend in line at a movie, with my father-in-law over breakfast.
> 
> But right afterward I turned it off.  Never regretted it.  I only really used 
> it in my car, and I'd driven for decades without it so I figure I can do a 
> couple more decades without it as well.
> 
> Whether any of that always-on-mic-connected-live-to-the-Internet should be 
> active or not while the screen is "locked" is something I can't say with 
> confidence.  Even if designed to be a certain way, like webcams there's no 
> guarantee it can't be abused.
> 
> Zuckerberg keeps tape over his laptop camera.
> 
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IOS simulator/ iPhone X and Xcode Mobile Pref Order

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

iOS developers FYI:

 

If you have more than one Xcode on the Mobile Prefs make sure that the last
one in the most recent. I had Xcode 9 as the first and then added the older
ones. When the simulator fired up from LC there was no option for iPhone X.
I then closed down everything and started the simulator from Xcode 9 and the
iPhone X was there. I then started up LC and it froze when "Configuring
Simulator". This required a force quit to get out of. After I re-arranged
the Prefs so that Xcode 9 was last on the list I restarted LC, Clicked the
test button, iPhone iOS 11 started up with an older phone model. I selected
the iPhone X(now an option), shutdown the older simulator device, clicked
the test button again and the iPhone X was up and running my app.

 

Ralph DiMola

IT Director

Evergreen Information Services

rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

 

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

prothero wrote:

> ...this did get me thinking about the spyware developed to listen in
> on people’s smart phone microphone without the owner being logged in. 
> Especially by intelligence agencies, but who would be interested in a

> retire Santa Barbara faculty member. I will get on bitdefender’s list
> with this question.

Please let us know what you find.

There's quite a controversy going on about how much of one's personal 
conversations the Facebook app listens to.


But there's no question that all voice-activated systems (Apple's Siri, 
Amazon's Alexa, Microsoft's Corana, Google's voice navigation) must 
listen at all times in order to be able to know when you call them by 
name.


It wouldn't be possible for them to do what they do without an always-on 
mic connected to the Internet.


At least Google (hopefully all of them) provides a place in account 
settings to hear the last several clips it sent to their server to try 
to determine if you were actually activating the voice service or just 
talking to someone in the room.


Once I listened to those clips, I was momentarily relieved to find 
nothing there of any particular interest, just me talking to my wife 
about shopping, with a friend in line at a movie, with my father-in-law 
over breakfast.


But right afterward I turned it off.  Never regretted it.  I only really 
used it in my car, and I'd driven for decades without it so I figure I 
can do a couple more decades without it as well.


Whether any of that always-on-mic-connected-live-to-the-Internet should 
be active or not while the screen is "locked" is something I can't say 
with confidence.  Even if designed to be a certain way, like webcams 
there's no guarantee it can't be abused.


Zuckerberg keeps tape over his laptop camera.

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RE: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I have 1 Mac, 1 PC with 4 VMs and 5 mobile devices minimum at my desk. One of 
them kept whistling every so often, it was like a cat call, very creepy. It was 
so quick I could never figure which device or why. Then one day I decided to 
play a word with my wife on one of those scrabble games while working and she 
responded instantly with a word and I heard that d**m whistle. Looked at all 
the devices and found that I had installed and logged into the scrabble game 
back when I first got the tablet and its notification indicator is a whistle. 
Let me tell you I had more than one conspiracy theory going for the better part 
of a year until I put 2 + 2 together the fateful day I decided to goof-off at 
work...

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 2:04 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

Well if it's spyware, why would they announce themselves?

Bob S


> On Nov 8, 2017, at 10:51 , prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> No I don’t. But this did get me thinking about the spyware developed to 
> listen in on people’s smart phone microphone without the owner being logged 
> in. Especially by intelligence agencies, but who would be interested in a 
> retire Santa Barbara faculty member. I will get on bitdefender’s list with 
> this question.
> 
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Well if it's spyware, why would they announce themselves?

Bob S


> On Nov 8, 2017, at 10:51 , prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> No I don’t. But this did get me thinking about the spyware developed to 
> listen in on people’s smart phone microphone without the owner being logged 
> in. Especially by intelligence agencies, but who would be interested in a 
> retire Santa Barbara faculty member. I will get on bitdefender’s list with 
> this question.
> 
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org

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Re: The coming of SVG

[Devin Asay via use-livecode]

Having followed this discussion from digest purgatory while on a conference 
trip, my vote is for “Viewer” as well.

Viewer has these advantages:
 -  not already a token in either LCS or LCB (that I know of)
 -  is descriptive of what it does
 -  is a nice parallel to player, a container for various time-based media.

Viewport is a possibility, but it seems to already have a fairly precise 
technical definition in the computer graphics world.

Canvas is okay, but evokes painting not vector graphics.

My $.02.

Devin


On Nov 8, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Martin Koob wrote:
what about calling it a *viewer* object which would then
allow us to view SVGs, images, graphics or any other
drawing or illustration format.

Actually, I like the name "viewer" too, but if we could use
the word "viewer" then "viewport" is more descriptive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewport

By the way, this new control is a LC9 only widget. Right?

Al

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Bob,
No I don’t. But this did get me thinking about the spyware developed to listen 
in on people’s smart phone microphone without the owner being logged in. 
Especially by intelligence agencies, but who would be interested in a retire 
Santa Barbara faculty member. I will get on bitdefender’s list with this 
question.

Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you jailbreak your iPhone?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 02:25 , prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if any of journalists had this happen to you.
>> 
>> Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time. I clearly and distinctly 
>> heard my iPhone or iPad say “Alibaba”.  Could this be either 1) an alien 
>> from outer space, 2) some nefarious plot by that Chinese version of Amazon, 
>> 3)or worse?
>> 
>> Weird question, I know but this is how suspicious hacks get uncovered 
>> sometimes. My phone cover was closed an the os was locked. It’s an iPhone 8.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
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Re: using LC as an emulator

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

In fact, the only binary files that ARE a problem are the forms and the
dialogs.  I would assume that both are relatively straightforward, but I
haven't tried picking one apart to figure it out.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> I have all the source, so that isn't the problem.
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I used to work on HP-3000s in HP BASIC, COBOL, and FORTRAN.
>> What a pain in the you know what!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 7, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I too have spent way too much of my life in HP BASIC. IIRC, it is
>> tokenized before storing (around here called byte codes). One approach
>> might be to figure a way to get at the HPB tokens and emulate each of them
>> in LC. Also IIRC HPB uses a pretty simple symbol table for variables and
>> such.
>> >
>> > Do you know about HTBasic which emulated HPBasic under DOS (I think)?
>> The company was Trans-Era. I have no idea if they are still around.
>> >
>> > .Jerry
>> >
>> >> On Nov 7, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> No, the ERP is written in HP BASIC, so I would want to emulate the
>> >> language, given the breadth and number of programs.  I was thinking
>> about
>> >> writing wrappers for the various commands and functions of the
>> language,
>> >> but it won't be easy, no matter what I do.
>> >
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Re: using LC as an emulator

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I have all the source, so that isn't the problem.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I used to work on HP-3000s in HP BASIC, COBOL, and FORTRAN.
> What a pain in the you know what!
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I too have spent way too much of my life in HP BASIC. IIRC, it is
> tokenized before storing (around here called byte codes). One approach
> might be to figure a way to get at the HPB tokens and emulate each of them
> in LC. Also IIRC HPB uses a pretty simple symbol table for variables and
> such.
> >
> > Do you know about HTBasic which emulated HPBasic under DOS (I think)?
> The company was Trans-Era. I have no idea if they are still around.
> >
> > .Jerry
> >
> >> On Nov 7, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> No, the ERP is written in HP BASIC, so I would want to emulate the
> >> language, given the breadth and number of programs.  I was thinking
> about
> >> writing wrappers for the various commands and functions of the language,
> >> but it won't be easy, no matter what I do.
> >
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Re: The coming of SVG

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Martin Koob wrote:
> what about calling it a *viewer* object which would then
> allow us to view SVGs, images, graphics or any other
> drawing or illustration format.

Actually, I like the name "viewer" too, but if we could use
the word "viewer" then "viewport" is more descriptive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewport

By the way, this new control is a LC9 only widget. Right?

Al

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Did you jailbreak your iPhone?

Bob S


> On Nov 8, 2017, at 02:25 , prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if any of journalists had this happen to you.
> 
> Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time. I clearly and distinctly 
> heard my iPhone or iPad say “Alibaba”.  Could this be either 1) an alien from 
> outer space, 2) some nefarious plot by that Chinese version of Amazon, 3)or 
> worse?
> 
> Weird question, I know but this is how suspicious hacks get uncovered 
> sometimes. My phone cover was closed an the os was locked. It’s an iPhone 8.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
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Re: The coming of SVG

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

I was thinking that to view movies or videos we user a *player* object not a
movie  or video object.  So what about calling it a *viewer* object  which
would then allow us to view SVGs, images, graphics or any other drawing or
illustration format.  This way the name is not tied to the data type being
viewed.  The internals of the viewer object would take care of displaying
the assigned object whether using SVG to display SVG paths or image data
etc. 

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Bill,

Usually my code look the same as this when I am awake from a hangover… ;-)
Before I thought this was the best piece of code I’ve ever had written (

Cheers,
Erik

On 08/11/17 12:29, "use-livecode on behalf of prothero--- via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Sorry, I don’t even know what language this is. 
Bill

William Prothero
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> 
> With hackers able to listen in on locked phones, I wonder.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:25 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if any of journalists had this happen to you.
>> 
>> Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time. I clearly and 
distinctly heard my iPhone or iPad say “Alibaba”.  Could this be either 1) 
an alien from outer space, 2) some nefarious plot by that Chinese version of 
Amazon, 3)or worse?
>> 
>> Weird question, I know but this is how suspicious hacks get uncovered 
sometimes. My phone cover was closed an the os was locked. It’s an iPhone 8.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Sorry, I don’t even know what language this is. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:30 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
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> Autocorrect foiled me again! I meant to say:
> 
> I wonder if any of you have had this happen to you?
> 
> With hackers able to listen in on locked phones, I wonder.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:25 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if any of journalists had this happen to you.
>> 
>> Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time. I clearly and distinctly 
>> heard my iPhone or iPad say “Alibaba”.  Could this be either 1) an alien 
>> from outer space, 2) some nefarious plot by that Chinese version of Amazon, 
>> 3)or worse?
>> 
>> Weird question, I know but this is how suspicious hacks get uncovered 
>> sometimes. My phone cover was closed an the os was locked. It’s an iPhone 
>> 8.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Folks,
Autocorrect foiled me again! I meant to say:

I wonder if any of you have had this happen to you?

With hackers able to listen in on locked phones, I wonder.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:25 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if any of journalists had this happen to you.
> 
> Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time. I clearly and distinctly 
> heard my iPhone or iPad say “Alibaba”.  Could this be either 1) an alien from 
> outer space, 2) some nefarious plot by that Chinese version of Amazon, 3)or 
> worse?
> 
> Weird question, I know but this is how suspicious hacks get uncovered 
> sometimes. My phone cover was closed an the os was locked. It’s an iPhone 8.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
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Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

I wonder if any of journalists had this happen to you.

Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time. I clearly and distinctly 
heard my iPhone or iPad say “Alibaba”.  Could this be either 1) an alien from 
outer space, 2) some nefarious plot by that Chinese version of Amazon, 3)or 
worse?

Weird question, I know but this is how suspicious hacks get uncovered 
sometimes. My phone cover was closed an the os was locked. It’s an iPhone 8.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

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