Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

You should see what happens with three monitors on version 9

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On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I should have also noted that I didn't see the problem with a small
> misalignment of the tops in the Display Preference Pane; the tops had
> to be quite far apart. Also, what was strange was that just because
> the additional monitors may have been set to above the central MBP in
> the Display Preference Pane, it didn't always result in an 'offset
> high' situation - the Click occurring above the visible position of
> the Mouse. Sometimes it was offset high, sometimes low.
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Kay C Lan via use-livecode]

I should have also noted that I didn't see the problem with a small
misalignment of the tops in the Display Preference Pane; the tops had
to be quite far apart. Also, what was strange was that just because
the additional monitors may have been set to above the central MBP in
the Display Preference Pane, it didn't always result in an 'offset
high' situation - the Click occurring above the visible position of
the Mouse. Sometimes it was offset high, sometimes low.

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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Kay C Lan via use-livecode]

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode
 wrote:
>
> This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool 
> palette etc but I’m trying to keep it simple.
>
After some testing I can confirm it's exactly the same as the Tool
Palette problem related to the tops of monitors not being aligned in
the Display Preference Pane. I typically use 2 additional monitors.

My set up is:

Main screen (middle) 15" MBP Retina set to 1920 x 1200
Left Monitor 21" Samsung SyncMaster set to 1440 x 900 (default)
Right Monitor 24" Benq set to 1920 x 1080 (default)

The MBP is running 10.11.6
I do NOT use the Spaces feature of OS X
LC 9.0.0 dp 11

Graham, when you see this, open the Tool Palette (TP), move it so it's
directly adjacent to the PB with the tops aligned. As you move the
mouse over the TP you'll notice that the wrong icons will highlite. So
for instance in one test I did, I had the mouse over the 'Player'
icon, yet the 'Clock' icon highlited (offset high). In another test I
had the mouse over the 'Pointer tool' yet the 'Check Box' icon
highlited (offset low).  With this knowledge you can easily get the PB
to work. Move the mouse over the TP until an icon horizontally aligned
with the +/- icon (or any of the Tree view objects listed) is
highlited, then move the mouse horizontally into the PB until it's
directly above/below the +/- icon (or any other object listed) and
Click. The offset of where the click actually occurs in comparison to
where the mouse visibly is is exactly the same in the PB as the TP.

Of course this is a silly way to work. The whole lot can be fixed
simply as others have pointed out, align the tops of the monitors in
the Display Preference Pane.

I just wanted to prove it's the same issue.

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Re: Announcement: SVG Icon Tool

[Kay C Lan via use-livecode]

Very nice! Thank you so much:-)

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 7:33 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
 wrote:
> Anyone who hasn't looked at this stack really should. It's what we've needed
> ever since SVG was introduced to LC.
>
>
> On 1/13/18 11:25 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> I've posted an updated version of my SVG Icon Tool to my server with a
>> large number of icons included (everything from
>> https://leungwensen.github.io/svg-icon except the flags which needed
>> color).  I've also included the feather icons that were mentioned.
>>
>> Direct link to the download:
>> https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.180113-2301.zip
>>
>> Latest forum post on the tool:
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=30411=162655#p162655
>>
>> Once the SVG Icon Library is updated to allow loading other icon families,
>> this tool can be used to help manage icon sets for applications.  There
>> should be no reason the LCB file in my PR couldn't be compiled in LC8, but
>> I've been working on it in LC9DP11 & develop.
>> It exports encoded LC arrays that are in the format needed for the
>> library.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
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Android devpt on Mac OS -- your setup?

[Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode]

I want to configure a new Mac mini running 10.13.2 for Android development.
But, as I've learnt these last two weeks, LC advise can be out-of-date, and
what works on one setup may not on another. At least, that's been the case
on Windows.

So, if you are on a Mac OS ++and++ have succesfully tested a stack on an
Android device -- preferably one using LC's  Internet library -- please
post details about your:

::: Mac OS version :::

::: LC version(s) :::

::: Java JDK :::

About downloading the JDK. Where specifically should I click on the downloading
a JDK 
webpage
referred to by the LC Lesson "How do I become an Android developer on Mac?
"
--- the "JDK Download" button inside table Java SE 8u151/ 8u152?

I ask to be doubly-sure and because recent list messages warn against
updating from 8.0 to 9.0​. Plu

::: Android SDK :::

That LC lesson advices the full Android Studio for LC post-8.1.5. Do you
agree?

::: Android SDK platform :::

Again, that LC lesson advices the Android 4.0.3 package. Yes?


Thank you. I sure would like to get things working well straight out of the
box!

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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Mark wrote:

screenRects: the first is primary and the rest are relative to that.  Any 
engine issue will likely be to do with those rects as that is the basis of its 
display coord to LiveCode coord mapping.

with screenrects at

0,0,3440,1440
-1440,0,0,900

tops are aligned… and …hmmm… things are working now.

on the MacBook "little" monitor. Let's hope this remains true.   will test 
later with screens shifted… Or possibly setting screen sharing in SKYPE messes 
internally with the OS screen coords… 

TBD

BR








On 1/14/18, 7:02 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Waddingham via 
use-livecode"  wrote:



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Drag And Drop Rows

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I was examining the API for Datagrid2 in 9 dp 11

Swiping looks interesting, but I'm also looking for " drag-to-arrange"  for 
mobile

With similar "cool" UI animation behavior where if you drag a sub-mini-group, 
which comprises a row of a large vertically or horizontal scrolling parent 
group, there is some delta which, when entered, if the row being dragged up or 
down, or left and right, pausem and suddenly the two underlying rows separate 
and allow you to drop the drag-row to this new location. The better designed 
ones, the underlying rows are reacting during the drag until the user drops.

Has anyone build such a thing? If so, can you share?

use cases: Like in Spotify, where album covers with titles and artists names 
are subgroups and these would be on a left to right scrolling group that the 
user could rearrange. In "My Book Library" data grid is vertical, user wants to 
re-arrange to manually sort her/his titles vertically. Re-arrange "Favorites"  
list (made up of complex subgroups with icons text and other data in a row) 
etc.  Rearrange an outline, etc… many similar scenarios.

BR




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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

Not to go into detail, but I have not seen any problems using two monitors with 
a variety of mainstream Mac software, e.g Photoshop Elements, Pages, MS Word, 
MS Excel, Transmit etc etc. Maybe I’m just lucky, but it’s certainly LC that’s 
giving me the biggest headache at the moment. Good tip about the prefs - thanks

Graham

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 20:27, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
[snip…]

> My thought are; from my experience this isn’t just a LC issue, the 
> quality/type of adapter may help, keeping the Mac MenuBar on the Mac seems to 
> be more stable and it doesn’t seem to affect the way most apps work AFAICS, 
> keeping the tops of the Displays aligned in the Prefs pane also helps 
> especially in LC, some apps just don’t support dual/multiple monitors well. 
> My final observation is switching the display options around with LC open can 
> really screw up it's prefs!
> 
> Paul


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Re: libUrlDownloadToFile: desktop ok, Android no

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 1/11/18 10:37 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:

Below is the script used to download a text file. Which works on the
Windows desktop. But on my Nexus 5, "error" is returned by the  script
commands "log" and "logflushbuffer".


The most likely reason is that the field needs a complete reference, the 
defaultstack may have changed.


put sLogBuffer after field "logField" of card x of stack y

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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[MWCM via use-livecode]

I have an issue that isn’t exactly the same but may be related. Seldom do I 
work on two monitors, but my display configuration is constantly changing.  My 
primary development machine is a 15” Retina MacBook Pro. The main project I 
work on is a large stack (iPhone 7 native resolution) stack that I work with at 
a scaleFactor of 0.5 so it fits on my internal Retina display and doesn’t take 
too much screen real estate on the external. 

When on-the-go, I use the Retina display in the “almost largest display” 
setting (not the far right biggest resolution option and not the middle 
recommended option). 

When in the office I work docked (laptop closed) and connect the laptop to an 
external keyboard/mouse and external 4K display (via mini DisplayPort) and 
sometimes also a 1080i (via HDMI). When docked, I NEVER use the built-in 
display.

Every time I launch that stack, the top of the stack is off the top of my 
screen. Doesn’t matter what display setup I’m using, I always have to open the 
stack inspector and change the Y position of the stack so the whole thing 
appears on my screen. 

--Andrew Bell
--Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Announcement: SVG Icon Tool

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Anyone who hasn't looked at this stack really should. It's what we've 
needed ever since SVG was introduced to LC.


On 1/13/18 11:25 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

I've posted an updated version of my SVG Icon Tool to my server with a
large number of icons included (everything from
https://leungwensen.github.io/svg-icon except the flags which needed
color).  I've also included the feather icons that were mentioned.

Direct link to the download:
https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.180113-2301.zip

Latest forum post on the tool:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=30411=162655#p162655

Once the SVG Icon Library is updated to allow loading other icon families,
this tool can be used to help manage icon sets for applications.  There
should be no reason the LCB file in my PR couldn't be compiled in LC8, but
I've been working on it in LC9DP11 & develop.
It exports encoded LC arrays that are in the format needed for the library.

Thanks,
Brian
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Paul Hibbert via use-livecode]

Just to add to the mix, I have been using a two monitor system for many years, 
I now have an iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017) connected to an Eizo ColorEdge 
CG 241W, the iMac is 4096 x 2304 and the Eizo is 1920 x 1200, both driven by 
the same Radeon Pro 560 4 GB card. Both monitors are set to default scaling and 
I do normally keep the top edges aligned with the menubar on the iMac screen.

I didn’t see too many problems until I upgraded the iMac from a 2009 model. 
With the new iMac, initially I tried using 2 adaptors to connect the 2nd 
monitor, going from USB-C (Thunderbolt) to Display-Port and then Display-Port 
to DVI, not surprisingly that didn’t work too well. Now I have an after-market 
USB-C to DVI adapter and it has improved no end, looking through the reviews on 
Amazon it seems the quality of the adapter can make a difference. AFAIK Apple 
don’t produce/sell a USB-C to DVI adapter.

I have seen problems with bad alignment of LC stacks if the tops of the screens 
are not aligned in the Display Prefs and I had all sorts of minor problems with 
many different apps if I moved the menu bar to the Eizo or didn’t align the 
tops of the displays, to the point where I almost gave up using a second 
monitor.

Now I keep the tops of the displays aligned and the system MenuBar and LC 
toolbar/toolbox on the iMac and I tend to keep the stack windows on the iMac 
(although not always), I use the Eizo mainly for the Script Editor and 
Dictionary along with the Project Browser and I haven’t seen any major problems 
lately. Occasionally the cursor just disappears, but comes back if I move it to 
the iMac Display or manage to hit the dock at the bottom of the screen, that’s 
not just in LC though.

Problems are definitely not limited to LiveCode, some apps will not work well 
if I attempt to use the second monitor, so I suspect there are some underlying 
OS issues,  possibly from mixing the two different types of display. One of the 
worst apps is Flux 7, it’s almost unusable without some major adjustments to 
the app windows.

After seeing Mark’s last response in this thread I tried a few tests with the 
display arrangements and switching the MenuBar around, everything was working 
as expected until I arranged the bottom of both displays and then tried to 
re-arrange so the tops of the displays aligned (approx the 7th arrangement), 
then the LC revMenuBar ended up in the middle of the iMac display and I 
couldn’t see any response from clicking on the stack, LC toolbox/toolbar or any 
open palette. As soon as I used the message box to reset the position of the 
revMenuBar everything started working again. Then I re-started LC, the 
positions were screwed up again, so I trashed the prefs and all is fine again.

My thought are; from my experience this isn’t just a LC issue, the quality/type 
of adapter may help, keeping the Mac MenuBar on the Mac seems to be more stable 
and it doesn’t seem to affect the way most apps work AFAICS, keeping the tops 
of the Displays aligned in the Prefs pane also helps especially in LC, some 
apps just don’t support dual/multiple monitors well. My final observation is 
switching the display options around with LC open can really screw up it's 
prefs!

Paul


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Re: Android build executable on test device fails

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 1/13/18 7:04 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:

And now a new problem. The SDK and JDK paths have disappeared.

Just now installed 8.0.2, pointed it to the SDK root path that worked with
8.1.8, but got the error "chosen folder not a valid Android SDK".

And, opening 8.1.8 to confirm the SDK rooth path, the SDK field there has
become blank and the JDK path has returned to "(none)".

Why?!?  Argh!!!


I was using Java 6.x (the Apple version) until LC 8.1 where it failed. I 
had to install Java 1.8 to get it to work. LC shares your prefs among 
your installed versions, so you'd need to change the preference setting 
each time you switch to a different LC version.


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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

BR: I'm late to this party, but FWIW

Graham wrote: Does anyone else see this or know of any report? 

BR: yes, all the time, no recipe but it's so bad I don't *ever* put any 
liveCode stack on my MacBook Pro monitor -- which is designated as the 
secondary monitor when hooked up to the 31" curved LG giant display. And screen 
sharing is a pain because you want to show the small screen, not the big one, 
but nothing works on the small one.

So often I will try to show some stack or the script editor on the MacBook 
Pro…(designated as secondary) but typically the main symptom is: it is 
non-responsive to mouse events… 

Would love to find a solution. 

@ Mark W.

My screen rects are:

0,0,3440,1440
-1440,0,0,900



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RE: Standalone Name vs Display Name

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

The "Title" in stack properties is only seen in the IDE and desktop apps. On 
Mobile this is never displayed. You could leave it defaulted to the stack name. 
I usually make it nice to read and identify so the title bars in the IDE are 
easy on the eyes.

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IT Director
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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Roger Guay via use-livecode
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 1:54 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Roger Guay
Subject: Re: Standalone Name vs Display Name

Well, in Stack Properties, one is given the opportunity to provide a title. 
Otherwise the title becomes the name of the stack. Are you saying this title of 
the stack is one of the subject items? If so, which one? And, would that one 
supersede any title I might have given my stack in Stack Properties? 

Thanks.

Roger

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think this is particularly complicated;
> 
> it is rather like the fact that you can have a standalone on a desktop 
> system called something (e.g. "XXX") but when the standalone opens it can 
> have something else on its title bar (e.g. "Oh, you expected XXX").
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 14/1/2018 8:24 pm, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> I’m wrapped around the axle again!
>> 
>> In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference 
>> between the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name 
>> under the iOS tab?
>> 
>> Thanks very much.
>> 
>> Roger
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RE: Standalone Name vs Display Name

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Roger,

The "Standalone Name" is the name of the .app or the .apk(Android) files AND 
the sequential folder names created in the build folder.

The "Display Name"(iOS) and "Label"(Android) is just the the text under the app 
icon on the device.
What really makes an app unique on a device is "Internal App ID"(iOS) and 
"Identifier"(Android).



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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Roger Guay via use-livecode
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 1:25 PM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Roger Guay
Subject: Standalone Name vs Display Name

I’m wrapped around the axle again! 

In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between 
the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS 
tab?

Thanks very much.

Roger
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Knight's Tour

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

It could be fun implementing this in LiveCode:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/weigm15xsi781vp/AAAJxWGLXT3hrm65fOlNh1BDa?dl=0

Richmond.
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Re: Standalone Name vs Display Name

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

Well, in Stack Properties, one is given the opportunity to provide a title. 
Otherwise the title becomes the name of the stack. Are you saying this title of 
the stack is one of the subject items? If so, which one? And, would that one 
supersede any title I might have given my stack in Stack Properties? 

Thanks.

Roger

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think this is particularly complicated;
> 
> it is rather like the fact that you can have a standalone on a desktop system 
> called something (e.g. "XXX")
> but when the standalone opens it can have something else on its title bar 
> (e.g. "Oh, you expected XXX").
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 14/1/2018 8:24 pm, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> I’m wrapped around the axle again!
>> 
>> In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference 
>> between the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name 
>> under the iOS tab?
>> 
>> Thanks very much.
>> 
>> Roger
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Re: Standalone Name vs Display Name

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I don't think this is particularly complicated;

it is rather like the fact that you can have a standalone on a desktop 
system called something (e.g. "XXX")
but when the standalone opens it can have something else on its title 
bar (e.g. "Oh, you expected XXX").


Richmond.

On 14/1/2018 8:24 pm, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I’m wrapped around the axle again!

In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between 
the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS 
tab?

Thanks very much.

Roger
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Standalone Name vs Display Name

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

I’m wrapped around the axle again! 

In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between 
the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS 
tab?

Thanks very much.

Roger
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Re: Streaming video..

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Ty!  (both marks!)  I have managed to get vlc working, though not in the
manner I had hoped..

http://192.168.254.3:5004/auto/v7.1?transcode=mobile -- this will tune to
channel 7.1.  (I'll be trying your method momentarily)

It also finally clicked in my noggin that plex will work with the
hdhomerun, and now has the ability to stream live.  Since I already have
freenas set up with plex, I'm using that as my dvr/streamer interface for
now.  I'll definitely be looking into a pi setup too. (I have an orange pi
laying around that i'm not doing anything with)

As for passing a url that will work with vlc to the player object instead,
no joy getting that to work so far.

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/13/2018 12:45 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Quick question.. I'm attempting to write a program to work with my
>> hdhomerun (networked tv streamer) and think i'm on track.. However, i'm
>> not
>> sure if its possible to tell the player to open a udp connection on port
>> 5000 and wait for the stream to come in. (apparently, I need to have it
>> ready to receive before I send the command to the hdhr)  Will the player
>> do
>> this?  If not I'll probably end up using vnc as my player, but it would
>> sure be nice to have an all LC solution.  (maybe I can use the browser
>> widget.. hmmm.  )
>>
>
> I pipe my hdhomerun through a raspberry pi running osmc as my dvr. The
> hdhomerun box itself has open-source drivers, if that helps you out.
>
> https://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/hdhomerun_development.pdf
> https://github.com/mharsch/node-hdhomerun
> https://github.com/kodi-pvr/pvr.hdhomerun
>
> If I connect to the pi over the osmc web interface I can use a RESTful
> connection over vlc to view live or saved videos. The format is
>
> http://192.168.0.99/stream/channel/?ticket=
>
> I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but the easiest (and fun)
> thing might be to put a pi on the network, use the hdhomerun driver for
> osmc, and let it do the heavy lifting for you.
>
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>
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Re: Streaming video..

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/13/2018 12:45 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Quick question.. I'm attempting to write a program to work with my
hdhomerun (networked tv streamer) and think i'm on track.. However, i'm not
sure if its possible to tell the player to open a udp connection on port
5000 and wait for the stream to come in. (apparently, I need to have it
ready to receive before I send the command to the hdhr)  Will the player do
this?  If not I'll probably end up using vnc as my player, but it would
sure be nice to have an all LC solution.  (maybe I can use the browser
widget.. hmmm.  )


I pipe my hdhomerun through a raspberry pi running osmc as my dvr. The 
hdhomerun box itself has open-source drivers, if that helps you out.


https://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/hdhomerun_development.pdf
https://github.com/mharsch/node-hdhomerun
https://github.com/kodi-pvr/pvr.hdhomerun

If I connect to the pi over the osmc web interface I can use a RESTful 
connection over vlc to view live or saved videos. The format is


http://192.168.0.99/stream/channel/?ticket=

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but the easiest (and fun) 
thing might be to put a pi on the network, use the hdhomerun driver for 
osmc, and let it do the heavy lifting for you.


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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

Apologies - I misread - actually one thing to check here is what 'the 
screenRects' returns. This returns a list of rects representing different 
screens - the first is primary and the rest are relative to that.

Any engine issue will likely be to do with those rects as that is the basis of 
its display coord to LiveCode coord mapping.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:34, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> i did not wrote that i have to Retina displays. I am using an iMAc 5K and a 
> Apple Thunderbolt Display, which is 2560x1440.
> The only difference is that  my displays use different spaces.  That´s an 
> option in Systemcontrol->Mission Control
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 31
> ‌https://matthiasrebbe.eu ‌
> 
>> Am 14.01.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
>> causing the problem.
>> 
>> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, 
>> but both you and graham have a mixed setup?
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
>> isn't working correctly.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brian
>>> 
>>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
>>> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
>>> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
>>> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card 
>>> (it’s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect 
>>> is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the 
>>> combined display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc 
>>> doesn’t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a 
>>> deadline so I can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to 
>>> restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t 
>>> pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying 
>>> glass… annoying.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby > wrote:
 
 @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, 
 you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the 
 problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the 
 problem doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something 
 that is good to know when working on this issue.
 On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
  
 >> wrote:
 Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want 
 the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I 
 actually have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go 
 somewhere which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. 
 Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the 
 side of the MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The 
 fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
 
 After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
 raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 
 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I 
 will leave that to them.
 
 Graham
 
> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  
>  >> wrote:
> 
> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
> in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
> the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems 
> are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
> horizontally aligned.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
>   >
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
>  

Code Signing Blues

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

A couple of years ago, I got a lot of advice on this list about code signing 
Mac apps that are not being distributed via the Mac App Store, and I got some 
of it working. Trying to revive that knowledge and working with a different 
computer, I seem to have come unstuck at stage one, which is the generation of 
a valid certificate. I am a registered Apple developer, but I don’t understand 
how I ever got a proper Certification Authority to talk to, or indeed what 
happened to the certificate(s) I had then. There doesn’t seem to be much 
relevant in my Keychain, and wading through XCode when all you know is LC is a 
bit like being taught Hungarian as a foreign language (THFL - or the 
equivalent).

Can anyone give me just a little clue as to how to get my cert? After that, I 
think I know how to use AppWrapper, and indeed I’ve got a nifty LC script from 
Trevor deVore that  might do the actual signing - but no certificate, no joy.

I’d appreciate any help.

Graham
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

Thanks Mark for wading in.

Well, it might be the mixture of screens - in fact I think that may well be it, 
because I have another development configuration with a non-Retina iMac and a 
similar monitor to the one I’ve described, and I have never seen a problem. 
Sadly, that’s about 1000 km South of where I am now, where I’ve got what the 
Retina MacBook setup. I have had to do what I suggested in an earlier email, 
which is start the MacBook with the monitor unplugged, and use the Mac in its 
highest resolution. It’s a bit of a strain on the eyes, but at least I can 
work. Sure would like to have it fixed, though.

Graham

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 14:58, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
> causing the problem.
> 
> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but 
> both you and graham have a mixed setup?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
> isn't working correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
>> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
>> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
>> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card 
>> (it’s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect 
>> is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the 
>> combined display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc 
>> doesn’t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a 
>> deadline so I can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to 
>> restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t 
>> pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying 
>> glass… annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby  wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, 
>>> you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the 
>>> problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the 
>>> problem doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something 
>>> that is good to know when working on this issue.
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
>>> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I 
>>> actually have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go 
>>> somewhere which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. 
>>> Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side 
>>> of the MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that 
>>> this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>>> 
>>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
>>> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 
>>> 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I 
>>> will leave that to them.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
 in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
 the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
 avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
 horizontally aligned.
 
 --
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
 
 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
 
 
 
 
> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
> anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for 
> unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you 
> mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 13 

Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Mark,

i did not wrote that i have to Retina displays. I am using an iMAc 5K and a 
Apple Thunderbolt Display, which is 2560x1440.
The only difference is that  my displays use different spaces.  That´s an 
option in Systemcontrol->Mission Control

Matthias



Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 31
‌https://matthiasrebbe.eu ‌

> Am 14.01.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
> causing the problem.
> 
> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but 
> both you and graham have a mixed setup?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
> isn't working correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
>> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
>> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
>> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card 
>> (it’s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect 
>> is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the 
>> combined display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc 
>> doesn’t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a 
>> deadline so I can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to 
>> restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t 
>> pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying 
>> glass… annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, 
>>> you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the 
>>> problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the 
>>> problem doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something 
>>> that is good to know when working on this issue.
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>  
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
>>> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I 
>>> actually have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go 
>>> somewhere which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. 
>>> Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side 
>>> of the MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that 
>>> this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>>> 
>>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
>>> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 
>>> 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I 
>>> will leave that to them.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
  
 >> wrote:
 
 It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
 in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
 the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
 avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
 horizontally aligned.
 
 --
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
  >
 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
  >
 
 
 
> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  
>  >> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
> anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches 

Re: Streaming video..

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

IIRC, the engine passes 'proper urls' straight through to the OS framework - so 
if the URL plays in a browser then it should probably work in the engine.

If it doesn't, but does in a browser then you could try using a browser widget 
instead of a player?

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:45, Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Quick question.. I'm attempting to write a program to work with my
> hdhomerun (networked tv streamer) and think i'm on track.. However, i'm not
> sure if its possible to tell the player to open a udp connection on port
> 5000 and wait for the stream to come in. (apparently, I need to have it
> ready to receive before I send the command to the hdhr)  Will the player do
> this?  If not I'll probably end up using vnc as my player, but it would
> sure be nice to have an all LC solution.  (maybe I can use the browser
> widget.. hmmm.  )
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
causing the problem.

I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but 
both you and graham have a mixed setup?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
isn't working correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian
> 
> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it’s 
> for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well 
> within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined 
> display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn’t do 
> anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a deadline so I 
> can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine 
> with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t pretty. I suppose I 
> could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying glass… annoying.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby  wrote:
>> 
>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you 
>> should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem 
>> goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem 
>> doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good 
>> to know when working on this issue.
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>> > wrote:
>> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
>> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually 
>> have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere 
>> which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my 
>> physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the 
>> MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this 
>> gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>> 
>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
>> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 20867. 
>> The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will 
>> leave that to them.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
>>> in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
>>> the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
>>> avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
>>> horizontally aligned.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
>>> 
>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
 normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
 MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
 anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for 
 unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. 
 Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
 
 Thanks again
 
 Graham
 
> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 
> 
> 
> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 
> 
> 
> It seems the issue occurs 

Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

Hi Brian

Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still some 
very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it’s for 
logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well within 
what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined display, but 
it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn’t do anything 
either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a deadline so I can’t look 
any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine with the 
monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t pretty. I suppose I could use the 
full retina resolution and a magnifying glass… annoying.

Cheers

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby  wrote:
> 
> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you 
> should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem goes 
> away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem doesn’t 
> go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good to know 
> when working on this issue.
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> > wrote:
> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually 
> have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere 
> which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my 
> physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the 
> MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this 
> gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
> 
> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 20867. 
> The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will 
> leave that to them.
> 
> Graham
> 
> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> > > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
> > in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
> > the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
> > avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
> > horizontally aligned.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
> > 
> > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> > > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
> >> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
> >> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
> >> anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for 
> >> unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. 
> >> Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
> >>> > 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
> >>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> >>>
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 
> >>> 
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 
> >>> 
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
> >>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
> >>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
> >>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be 
> >>> an
> >>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
> >>>
> >>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other 
> >>> ones.
> >>>
> >>> Martin Koob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>