Re: Can't seem to build standalone in LC9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
I can say it is more complicated than the number of LiveCode stacks though
(just built a 3 stack app as a test). Any idea where in the 9 release cycle
this became an issue? Someone that can parse the error screen that you
captured should be able to provide a better clue to the problem (especially
if it hangs at the same spot regardless of which files are included).
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 10:46 PM prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> I just captured the relevant dialogs and Windows on my Mac. Never owned a
> Commodore, but did write some machine language for a radio shack model 100
> once in the distant past.
>
> I was sooo (naively) trusting of the perfection of lc9 that it took me way
> too long to try the build on lc8.2.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Glad you found a solution...I have to ask how did you get that
> > commodore 64 look on your screens?  It was awesome! :D :D: D  please
> > please try to report the bug and help the team find it.  software is a
> hard
> > hard problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Found solution:
> >> Don’t use LC 9.0.0.
> >> When I add more than one “.livecode” stack in the “Stacks” list, I get
> the
> >> errors referred to in the original posting
> >> However, when I use LC 8.2.0 (DP 2), I get a standalone. No errors.
> >>
> >> I’ll see if I can make a sample stack and report this as a bug.
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 5:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> More info:
> >>> When I only have a single “.livecode” stack and multiple
> >> “.livecodescript” stacks in the “Stacks” list, it makes a standalone,
> but
> >> with more than one (it doesn’t matter which one), “.livecode” stack, it
> >> fails.
> >>>
> >>> This is starting to seem like a bug.
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
>  On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  Folks:
>  This has me extremely frustrated and I’ve spent way too many hours
> >> trying to get this to work. If anybody has a few minutes to look at the
> >> error dialogs in the link, I’d very much appreciate it. I’m probably
> >> missing something very obvious, but ….
> 
>  Link to zip of 3 screen shots that show the problem.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wipzyr9523h7n60/wp-standaloneDialogs.zip?dl=0
> >> <
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wipzyr9523h7n60/wp-standaloneDialogs.zip?dl=0>
> 
>  What I have is a splash stack named: "Start Earth Explorer"
>  Other stacks are used to actually do the work. One of the dialogs
> >> (StacksList.png) is the standalone settings “Stacks” window, which
> shows a
> >> list of the stacks. Another dialog (filesStructure.png) is my file
> >> structure for the app. The third dialog (ErrorDialog.png) is the error
> >> dialog that I get when I try to build a standalone. It appears, to me,
> that
> >> somehow it can’t find the first “.livecode” stack it gets to in the
> stacks
> >> list.
> 
>  I must be doing something incredibly stupid, overlooking some basic
> >> setting, or ……
> 
>  Any ideas would be much appreciated.
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Bill
> 
> 
>  William A. Prothero
>  http://earthlearningsolutions.org
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread Ron Metzker via use-livecode
Hi Panos,

I updated my two Macs today with LiveCode 9.0.0. Unfortunately I also had a 
very slow download on both. I have a very fast internet connection. I dowloaded 
them from within LiveCode by doing an update. 

After I had downloaded them, I tried to see what the problem was. I did a test 
on my internet. It was at the correct speed in the test. So I went to the 
LiveCode download page and downloaded both the Indy and the Business dmg from 
the site at the same time. It took only a couple of minutes. So the slowness of 
the download appears to caused by using the LiveCode download stack. It was 
probably 20 to 30 times slower than using the download page.

Best Regards,
Ron

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:51 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Peter
> One more thing to try before filing a bug report:
> 
> 1. Clear Prefs again
> 2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
> are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make this
> association?")
> 3. Choose "Yes"
> 
> Does the splash screen close after that?
> 
> BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:
> 
> - type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
> - place the cursor on the splash stack
> - press enter
> 
> I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
> the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is never
> reached.
> 
> @Richard
> Thanks for the update, I'll pass it to the team. I know we had at least
> another 3 users in your area that suffered from very slow download speeds.
> Network issues are hard to diagnose :)
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> @Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:
>>> Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.
>> 
>> Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> @Panos:
>>> Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem
>>> yesterday from my home internet connection
>> 
>> Thanks for asking. Yes, and it's been the darndest thing.  Not even my ISP
>> could explain it.  It's been this way for more than a week, and persists
>> this morning, even across multiple computers.
>> 
>> I was able to find a workaround that demonstrates that it's not the
>> livecode.com server per se:  I shelled into one of my VPSes in New Jersey
>> and used wget to download the builds I needed - each took less than a
>> minute there.  Then I copied them to my web folder, and on my local machine
>> downloaded from that VPS - at normal speed.
>> 
>> So to summarize what I've learned thus far:
>> 
>> - It's not my computer: all computers here show this slow download
>> 
>> - It's not your server: I can download from it to another computer
>>  in a different geographic region with no delay.
>> 
>> - It's not my local network setup: Peter has the same issue, and
>>  downloading from my VPS is speedy.
>> 
>> Given all this, my wild guess would be that this is something related to
>> the CDN you're using (Cloudflare?), affecting only southern California, or
>> maybe even more limited than that since Peter and I are less than about 20
>> miles from one another.
>> 
>> While Cloudflare's status page shows the Los Angeles area to be
>> "Operational", a quick search at Google turned up a few discussions about
>> issues in my area, the most recent I stumbled across being just 22 hours
>> ago.
>> 
>> The bigger mystery is that this has persisted as long as it has.  Most
>> CDNs are super on top of things, and a multi-day issue is rare.
>> 
>> At least I have a workaround for now, and if I learn anything more I'll
>> pass it along.  In the meantime, if you hear of anything with your CDN it
>> may be helpful to share.
>> 
>> --
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>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
>> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: Can't seem to build standalone in LC9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Tom,
I just captured the relevant dialogs and Windows on my Mac. Never owned a 
Commodore, but did write some machine language for a radio shack model 100 once 
in the distant past.

I was sooo (naively) trusting of the perfection of lc9 that it took me way too 
long to try the build on lc8.2.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Glad you found a solution...I have to ask how did you get that
> commodore 64 look on your screens?  It was awesome! :D :D: D  please
> please try to report the bug and help the team find it.  software is a hard
> hard problem.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Found solution:
>> Don’t use LC 9.0.0.
>> When I add more than one “.livecode” stack in the “Stacks” list, I get the
>> errors referred to in the original posting
>> However, when I use LC 8.2.0 (DP 2), I get a standalone. No errors.
>> 
>> I’ll see if I can make a sample stack and report this as a bug.
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 5:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> More info:
>>> When I only have a single “.livecode” stack and multiple
>> “.livecodescript” stacks in the “Stacks” list, it makes a standalone, but
>> with more than one (it doesn’t matter which one), “.livecode” stack, it
>> fails.
>>> 
>>> This is starting to seem like a bug.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
 On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 Folks:
 This has me extremely frustrated and I’ve spent way too many hours
>> trying to get this to work. If anybody has a few minutes to look at the
>> error dialogs in the link, I’d very much appreciate it. I’m probably
>> missing something very obvious, but ….
 
 Link to zip of 3 screen shots that show the problem.
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/wipzyr9523h7n60/wp-standaloneDialogs.zip?dl=0
>> 
 
 What I have is a splash stack named: "Start Earth Explorer"
 Other stacks are used to actually do the work. One of the dialogs
>> (StacksList.png) is the standalone settings “Stacks” window, which shows a
>> list of the stacks. Another dialog (filesStructure.png) is my file
>> structure for the app. The third dialog (ErrorDialog.png) is the error
>> dialog that I get when I try to build a standalone. It appears, to me, that
>> somehow it can’t find the first “.livecode” stack it gets to in the stacks
>> list.
 
 I must be doing something incredibly stupid, overlooking some basic
>> setting, or ……
 
 Any ideas would be much appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Bill
 
 
 William A. Prothero
 http://earthlearningsolutions.org
 
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Re: Can't seem to build standalone in LC9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Glad you found a solution...I have to ask how did you get that
commodore 64 look on your screens?  It was awesome! :D :D: D  please
please try to report the bug and help the team find it.  software is a hard
hard problem.



On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Found solution:
> Don’t use LC 9.0.0.
> When I add more than one “.livecode” stack in the “Stacks” list, I get the
> errors referred to in the original posting
> However, when I use LC 8.2.0 (DP 2), I get a standalone. No errors.
>
> I’ll see if I can make a sample stack and report this as a bug.
> Best,
> Bill
>
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 5:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > More info:
> > When I only have a single “.livecode” stack and multiple
> “.livecodescript” stacks in the “Stacks” list, it makes a standalone, but
> with more than one (it doesn’t matter which one), “.livecode” stack, it
> fails.
> >
> > This is starting to seem like a bug.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >> On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Folks:
> >> This has me extremely frustrated and I’ve spent way too many hours
> trying to get this to work. If anybody has a few minutes to look at the
> error dialogs in the link, I’d very much appreciate it. I’m probably
> missing something very obvious, but ….
> >>
> >> Link to zip of 3 screen shots that show the problem.
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wipzyr9523h7n60/wp-standaloneDialogs.zip?dl=0
> 
> >>
> >> What I have is a splash stack named: "Start Earth Explorer"
> >> Other stacks are used to actually do the work. One of the dialogs
> (StacksList.png) is the standalone settings “Stacks” window, which shows a
> list of the stacks. Another dialog (filesStructure.png) is my file
> structure for the app. The third dialog (ErrorDialog.png) is the error
> dialog that I get when I try to build a standalone. It appears, to me, that
> somehow it can’t find the first “.livecode” stack it gets to in the stacks
> list.
> >>
> >> I must be doing something incredibly stupid, overlooking some basic
> setting, or ……
> >>
> >> Any ideas would be much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> William A. Prothero
> >> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >>
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Re: Can't seem to build standalone in LC9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Found solution:
Don’t use LC 9.0.0.
When I add more than one “.livecode” stack in the “Stacks” list, I get the 
errors referred to in the original posting
However, when I use LC 8.2.0 (DP 2), I get a standalone. No errors.

I’ll see if I can make a sample stack and report this as a bug.
Best,
Bill

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 5:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> More info:
> When I only have a single “.livecode” stack and multiple “.livecodescript” 
> stacks in the “Stacks” list, it makes a standalone, but with more than one 
> (it doesn’t matter which one), “.livecode” stack, it fails.
> 
> This is starting to seem like a bug.
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> This has me extremely frustrated and I’ve spent way too many hours trying to 
>> get this to work. If anybody has a few minutes to look at the error dialogs 
>> in the link, I’d very much appreciate it. I’m probably missing something 
>> very obvious, but ….
>> 
>> Link to zip of 3 screen shots that show the problem.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wipzyr9523h7n60/wp-standaloneDialogs.zip?dl=0 
>> 
>> 
>> What I have is a splash stack named: "Start Earth Explorer"
>> Other stacks are used to actually do the work. One of the dialogs 
>> (StacksList.png) is the standalone settings “Stacks” window, which shows a 
>> list of the stacks. Another dialog (filesStructure.png) is my file structure 
>> for the app. The third dialog (ErrorDialog.png) is the error dialog that I 
>> get when I try to build a standalone. It appears, to me, that somehow it 
>> can’t find the first “.livecode” stack it gets to in the stacks list. 
>> 
>> I must be doing something incredibly stupid, overlooking some basic setting, 
>> or ……
>> 
>> Any ideas would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>> 
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Re: Text to Speech

2018-04-06 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
This may be of interest:

Resources Center... Sample Scripts... User Interface... Speaking an Alert
Message

Only works on Mac/Win.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:04 PM William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks. I had tried it in the message box and got no sound. But, in a
> button, it does work fine.
> Bill
>
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Check the result and see if there is an error message.  What OS/Platform?
> > I use revspeak to talk to an amazon echo since it speaks more clearly
> than
> > I do. (Had it set up for a while so that I could have it talk to my echo
> > while I was in another room using a rev http stack.)  I'm on windows, but
> > think that last time I tried it on mac, it worked fine there as well.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Folks:
> >> I’m wondering if there is any text to speech capability in livecode.
> There
> >> are references to it when I do a Google search, but I don’t get any
> sound
> >> when I do:
> >>
> >>  on mouseUp
> >>revSpeak "Hello, How are you?"
> >>end mouseUp
> >>
> >> I don’t get any sound.
> >>
> >> I would want to use it for more than a simple alert. Is this practical?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> William A. Prothero
> >> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
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Re: Can't seem to build standalone in LC9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
More info:
When I only have a single “.livecode” stack and multiple “.livecodescript” 
stacks in the “Stacks” list, it makes a standalone, but with more than one (it 
doesn’t matter which one), “.livecode” stack, it fails.

This is starting to seem like a bug.

Bill

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:59 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> This has me extremely frustrated and I’ve spent way too many hours trying to 
> get this to work. If anybody has a few minutes to look at the error dialogs 
> in the link, I’d very much appreciate it. I’m probably missing something very 
> obvious, but ….
> 
> Link to zip of 3 screen shots that show the problem.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wipzyr9523h7n60/wp-standaloneDialogs.zip?dl=0 
> 
> 
> What I have is a splash stack named: "Start Earth Explorer"
> Other stacks are used to actually do the work. One of the dialogs 
> (StacksList.png) is the standalone settings “Stacks” window, which shows a 
> list of the stacks. Another dialog (filesStructure.png) is my file structure 
> for the app. The third dialog (ErrorDialog.png) is the error dialog that I 
> get when I try to build a standalone. It appears, to me, that somehow it 
> can’t find the first “.livecode” stack it gets to in the stacks list. 
> 
> I must be doing something incredibly stupid, overlooking some basic setting, 
> or ……
> 
> Any ideas would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
> 
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
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Re: Text to Speech

2018-04-06 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Thanks. I had tried it in the message box and got no sound. But, in a button, 
it does work fine. 
Bill

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check the result and see if there is an error message.  What OS/Platform?
> I use revspeak to talk to an amazon echo since it speaks more clearly than
> I do. (Had it set up for a while so that I could have it talk to my echo
> while I was in another room using a rev http stack.)  I'm on windows, but
> think that last time I tried it on mac, it worked fine there as well.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Folks:
>> I’m wondering if there is any text to speech capability in livecode. There
>> are references to it when I do a Google search, but I don’t get any sound
>> when I do:
>> 
>>  on mouseUp
>>revSpeak "Hello, How are you?"
>>end mouseUp
>> 
>> I don’t get any sound.
>> 
>> I would want to use it for more than a simple alert. Is this practical?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
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Can't seem to build standalone in LC9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Folks:
This has me extremely frustrated and I’ve spent way too many hours trying to 
get this to work. If anybody has a few minutes to look at the error dialogs in 
the link, I’d very much appreciate it. I’m probably missing something very 
obvious, but ….

Link to zip of 3 screen shots that show the problem.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wipzyr9523h7n60/wp-standaloneDialogs.zip?dl=0 


What I have is a splash stack named: "Start Earth Explorer"
Other stacks are used to actually do the work. One of the dialogs 
(StacksList.png) is the standalone settings “Stacks” window, which shows a list 
of the stacks. Another dialog (filesStructure.png) is my file structure for the 
app. The third dialog (ErrorDialog.png) is the error dialog that I get when I 
try to build a standalone. It appears, to me, that somehow it can’t find the 
first “.livecode” stack it gets to in the stacks list. 

I must be doing something incredibly stupid, overlooking some basic setting, or 
……

Any ideas would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill


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Re: Text to Speech

2018-04-06 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
Check the result and see if there is an error message.  What OS/Platform?
I use revspeak to talk to an amazon echo since it speaks more clearly than
I do. (Had it set up for a while so that I could have it talk to my echo
while I was in another room using a rev http stack.)  I'm on windows, but
think that last time I tried it on mac, it worked fine there as well.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Folks:
> I’m wondering if there is any text to speech capability in livecode. There
> are references to it when I do a Google search, but I don’t get any sound
> when I do:
>
>   on mouseUp
> revSpeak "Hello, How are you?"
> end mouseUp
>
> I don’t get any sound.
>
> I would want to use it for more than a simple alert. Is this practical?
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
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Re: Text to Speech

2018-04-06 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode


> On Apr 6, 2018, at 3:45 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>  on mouseUp
>revSpeak "Hello, How are you?"
>end mouseUp


Works here! OS 10.13.3, LC 9.0

Roge
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Text to Speech

2018-04-06 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode

Folks:
I’m wondering if there is any text to speech capability in livecode. There are 
references to it when I do a Google search, but I don’t get any sound when I do:

  on mouseUp
revSpeak "Hello, How are you?"
end mouseUp

I don’t get any sound. 

I would want to use it for more than a simple alert. Is this practical?

Best,
Bill

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Re: formatForPrinting

2018-04-06 Thread dunbarx via use-livecode
I am intrigued as well.

The dictionary is quite clear. Set this property before it ever is in
memory.

Does the engine store properties just in case a stack of the appropriate
name opens? Are there other such properties?

The dictionary states that this property can be cleared if text is to be
edited, and then, I assume reset if the user want to print again. So is the
property stored in the stack as well?

Craig



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formatForPrinting

2018-04-06 Thread Knapp Martin via use-livecode
With regard to formatForPrinting for Windows, the dictionary says to set the 
property *before* you open the stack. I'm probably just being thick, but how do 
you set the property of a stack that is not open? Does this really mean to set 
it to true, save it, close it and then reopen it in order to print accurately? 
And then if the user wants to make a change to some text, they have to set it 
to false, save, close, reopen? Then to print a second time go through all of 
that again? That sounds like a horrible thing to put a user through. Why can’t 
you set it to true just before you print, then back to false afterward?

Can anybody provide some input on this?

Thanks,
Marty
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Teleconferencing and working from home has changed these dynamics. At what
point does a teleconference with 5 people not 'look' like a "server" to the
ISP?

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On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It means that you probably have a 10/10 (up down) internet connection. You
> are getting the bandwidth reported, which is theoretically what is
> currently left after everything else currently sending and receiving on
> that link. If you don't have anything being served up, I'd be concerned
> about your up speed.
>
> Most residential internet services have in the contract that you will not
> use the connection for business purposes (at least in the US). That is why
> most residential services are asynchronous (not the same up speed as down
> speed). If you are not serving anything up to the internet, you don't need
> very much up bandwidth, and if you are not running a business, you
> shouldn't really be services anything up.
>
> HTH
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:49 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Over 'here' in "naughty" Bulgaria where I have the cheapest internet
> package available
> > I found that LC 9.0 for Linux took 3 minutes to download . . . and that
> was absolutely fine.
> >
> > Ookla says that my download rate is 10.78 Mbps and my upload rate is
> 6.28 Mbps,
> > which is super because I don't understand what those magic numbers mean.
> >
> > Richmond.
>
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Re: LC on ChromeBooks

2018-04-06 Thread Eller, Roger via use-livecode
I don't currently have a ChromeBook, but I would also like to know how 
compatible LC Android apps are, if at all.

~Roger



From: use-livecode  on behalf of J. 
Landman Gay via use-livecode 
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 12:01:37 PM
To: LiveCode Mailing List
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: LC on ChromeBooks

Has anyone tried to run an LC app on a ChromeBook? Don't they run Android
apps now?

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Re: [OT, maybe] - configuring a Windows Installer for a Standalone

2018-04-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
This all came about because with XP, if you logged in as an administrator 
account, any process that launched in that session ALSO ran as an 
administrator, which meant that it could modify system files. It was like a 
petri dish for malware. Just clicking to preview an email could ruin your day. 

Apple already had a mechanism where processes that attempted to install or 
modify protected files or folders would invoke a User/Pass auth dialog, so 
Microsoft decided to mimic that, but since they didn't have the mechanisms 
built into Unix for that, the developed this dual level auth system where an 
administrator account was merely a standard user that COULD be elevated to 
administrative level, where as other accounts could not. In those cases, a 
user/pass challenge dialog is presented so the candidate process could be run 
as though a real administrator account had invoked it. 

It's a pain in the arse sometimes, but it isn't difficult to understand what it 
is and why it's necessary. 

Bob S


> On Apr 6, 2018, at 24:52 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Treor, thanks, will try it. I despise myself for my ignorance here, but it is 
> very hard to get an easy path to understanding, especially since both the 
> vocabulary and logic seem so alien.
> 
> Anyway I appreciate all the help I’ve been getting.
> 
> Graham

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Re: [OT, maybe] - configuring a Windows Installer for a Standalone

2018-04-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I think the problem he has is that the executable is already set to launch as 
admin and ar runtime he is not elevated. 

Bob S


> On Apr 5, 2018, at 19:26 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried adding the following configuration option to your .iss file?
> 
> PrivilegesRequired=admin
> 
> If not then give it a try.
> 
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Re: Livecode 9.0.0 (Problem Saving??)

2018-04-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
You probably will not want to hear this, but if each card is simply a record in 
a "database" then you should be made aware the unlike the Hypercard engine, the 
Livecode engine is not optimized to work this way. If you have common card 
layouts (I call them forms) you should consider using only one card for each 
form, and then accessing a database like sqLite, or storing your data in arrays 
saved as properties of the cards or stack. 

Bob S


> On Apr 6, 2018, at 24:47 , JosebaTELUR via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I work with a stack with 18.000 cards (86 MB).
> When I do “Save”, it takes 12 minutes to execute it, and generate new file.
> This same option in Livecode 5.5.4 is solved in a few seconds
> 
> Un saludo.
> 
> Joseba Aguayo Fernández
> (jagu...@telur.es)

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
It means that you probably have a 10/10 (up down) internet connection. You are 
getting the bandwidth reported, which is theoretically what is currently left 
after everything else currently sending and receiving on that link. If you 
don't have anything being served up, I'd be concerned about your up speed. 

Most residential internet services have in the contract that you will not use 
the connection for business purposes (at least in the US). That is why most 
residential services are asynchronous (not the same up speed as down speed). If 
you are not serving anything up to the internet, you don't need very much up 
bandwidth, and if you are not running a business, you shouldn't really be 
services anything up. 

HTH
Bob S


> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:49 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Over 'here' in "naughty" Bulgaria where I have the cheapest internet package 
> available
> I found that LC 9.0 for Linux took 3 minutes to download . . . and that was 
> absolutely fine.
> 
> Ookla says that my download rate is 10.78 Mbps and my upload rate is 6.28 
> Mbps,
> which is super because I don't understand what those magic numbers mean.
> 
> Richmond.


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Re: commandine standalone using 100% of core on doing what?

2018-04-06 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hi Markthanks very much ...I'm going to go report the bug ... its
definitely reproducible here. i just need to gather more data that i
can give with the report.

Dulley noted on the intentions with the httpd library.



On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2018-04-05 15:27, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Hi folks, I wanted to benchmark the httpd library and decided to create a
>> command line server application.
>>
>> I run it using "-ui" command ...
>>
>> and I use the "on Startup" message to print out a welcome message"
>>
>> thats all I have so far.
>>
>> But my executable process is using up 100% of the core . continuously.
>>
>> what is it doing ? what am I doing wrong?
>>
>> v9 .0 on windows 7.
>>
>
> Hmmm - this is potentially a bug - in -ui mode the engine falls back to
> using simpler event handling and such. It doesn't create any windows or
> other system objects.
>
> My guess would be that in that mode (on Windows) something is causing the
> event loop to trigger continuously, hence the 100% CPU usage.
>
> Just a note about the httpd library - we added that for a very specific
> use-case... To allow a LiveCode app to talk to other processes locally; the
> specific case being it allows an emscripten built standalone running in a
> browser to communicate some info back to the IDE (in 'Test' mode).
>
> Another use of such a thing I encountered yday, was when using gcloud. I
> was setting up the gcloud sdk on my Mac, and in order to be able to do
> anything you need to authenticate. I was pleasantly surprised when I typed
> the command to authenticate a 'project' in Terminal and up popped Chrome
> allowing me to authenticate - the command line app had temporarily created
> a httpd server so the web-page could send the auth token back to it. I
> didn't even need to enter my details as I was already logged in to the
> gcloud console in Chrome.
>
> So, it wasn't intended as a general web-server, but for small tasks where
> you need to talk to something which naturally talks http :)
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: Understanding numberformat

2018-04-06 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi Mark,

> Am 06.04.2018 um 14:18 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 2018-04-06 13:17, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> maybe I have a little understanding problem with numberformat.
>> Looks like this is "temporary/fleeting"?
>> Meanwhile I worked around this with the FORMAT() function,
>> but would like to understand the problem.
>> I have this button script:
>> ###
>> ## Neccessary function, since in most non-enlsih speaking countries like 
>> germany
>> ## we use the COMMA as a decimal delimiter
>> ## Neccessary for calculations
>> ## tZahl = tNumber
>> ## ohne_komma = without comma
>> function ohne_komma tZahl
>>  replace "," with "." in tZahl
>>  return tZahl
>> end ohne_komma
>> ## mit_komma = with comma
>> ## Neccessary for displaying numbers
>> function mit_komma tZahl
>>   replace "." with "," in tZahl
>>   return tZahl
>> end mit_komma
>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>>   put 10  into menge ## amount
>>   put "2,3" into preis ## price
>>   set the numberformat to 0.00
>>   put ohne_komma(menge) into menge
>>   put ohne_komma(preis) into preis
>>   put  menge * preis into ergebnis ## result
>> ##!!!
>>   answer ergebnis ## -> 23.00
>>   answer mit_komma(ergebnis) ## -> 23
>> ##!!!
>> end mouseUp
>> ###
>> The last 2 lines of the mouseup handler are puzzling me, what do I not get?
>> Thanks for any insight!
> 
> The numberFormat is a local property and is only used when a number gets 
> converted to a string...
> 
> put menge * preis into ergebnis -- ergebnis is a number
> answer ergebnis -- ergebnis is converted to a string using the numberFormat 
> 0.00 and passed to 'answer'.
> 
> In the last line 'answer mit_komma(ergebnis)' you are passing ergebnis (a 
> number) to a function. In the function, that number is converted to a string 
> using the default numberFormat (as it is local to handlers, and you have not 
> set it) as you are using 'replace' on it.
> 
> So, the 'issue' here is the locality of numberFormat.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.

thank you very much for your explanation, I get it now! :-)


Best

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Re: Understanding numberformat

2018-04-06 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2018-04-06 13:17, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi friends,

maybe I have a little understanding problem with numberformat.
Looks like this is "temporary/fleeting"?

Meanwhile I worked around this with the FORMAT() function,
but would like to understand the problem.

I have this button script:
###
## Neccessary function, since in most non-enlsih speaking countries 
like germany

## we use the COMMA as a decimal delimiter
## Neccessary for calculations
## tZahl = tNumber
## ohne_komma = without comma
function ohne_komma tZahl
  replace "," with "." in tZahl
  return tZahl
end ohne_komma

## mit_komma = with comma
## Neccessary for displaying numbers
function mit_komma tZahl
   replace "." with "," in tZahl
   return tZahl
end mit_komma

on mouseUp pMouseButton
   put 10  into menge ## amount
   put "2,3" into preis ## price

   set the numberformat to 0.00
   put ohne_komma(menge) into menge
   put ohne_komma(preis) into preis
   put  menge * preis into ergebnis ## result

##!!!
   answer ergebnis ## -> 23.00
   answer mit_komma(ergebnis) ## -> 23
##!!!

end mouseUp
###

The last 2 lines of the mouseup handler are puzzling me, what do I not 
get?

Thanks for any insight!


The numberFormat is a local property and is only used when a number gets 
converted to a string...


put menge * preis into ergebnis -- ergebnis is a number
answer ergebnis -- ergebnis is converted to a string using the 
numberFormat 0.00 and passed to 'answer'.


In the last line 'answer mit_komma(ergebnis)' you are passing ergebnis 
(a number) to a function. In the function, that number is converted to a 
string using the default numberFormat (as it is local to handlers, and 
you have not set it) as you are using 'replace' on it.


So, the 'issue' here is the locality of numberFormat.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Understanding numberformat

2018-04-06 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi friends,

maybe I have a little understanding problem with numberformat.
Looks like this is "temporary/fleeting"?

Meanwhile I worked around this with the FORMAT() function, 
but would like to understand the problem.

I have this button script:
###
## Neccessary function, since in most non-enlsih speaking countries like germany
## we use the COMMA as a decimal delimiter
## Neccessary for calculations
## tZahl = tNumber
## ohne_komma = without comma
function ohne_komma tZahl
  replace "," with "." in tZahl
  return tZahl
end ohne_komma

## mit_komma = with comma
## Neccessary for displaying numbers
function mit_komma tZahl
   replace "." with "," in tZahl
   return tZahl
end mit_komma

on mouseUp pMouseButton
   put 10  into menge ## amount
   put "2,3" into preis ## price
   
   set the numberformat to 0.00
   put ohne_komma(menge) into menge
   put ohne_komma(preis) into preis
   put  menge * preis into ergebnis ## result

##!!!
   answer ergebnis ## -> 23.00
   answer mit_komma(ergebnis) ## -> 23
##!!!

end mouseUp
###

The last 2 lines of the mouseup handler are puzzling me, what do I not get?
Thanks for any insight!

It would be nice if LC would take these country specific differences into 
account
in one of the next versions.


Best

Klaus

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Re: commandine standalone using 100% of core on doing what?

2018-04-06 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2018-04-05 15:27, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
Hi folks, I wanted to benchmark the httpd library and decided to create 
a

command line server application.

I run it using "-ui" command ...

and I use the "on Startup" message to print out a welcome message"

thats all I have so far.

But my executable process is using up 100% of the core . 
continuously.


what is it doing ? what am I doing wrong?

v9 .0 on windows 7.


Hmmm - this is potentially a bug - in -ui mode the engine falls back to 
using simpler event handling and such. It doesn't create any windows or 
other system objects.


My guess would be that in that mode (on Windows) something is causing 
the event loop to trigger continuously, hence the 100% CPU usage.


Just a note about the httpd library - we added that for a very specific 
use-case... To allow a LiveCode app to talk to other processes locally; 
the specific case being it allows an emscripten built standalone running 
in a browser to communicate some info back to the IDE (in 'Test' mode).


Another use of such a thing I encountered yday, was when using gcloud. I 
was setting up the gcloud sdk on my Mac, and in order to be able to do 
anything you need to authenticate. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
typed the command to authenticate a 'project' in Terminal and up popped 
Chrome allowing me to authenticate - the command line app had 
temporarily created a httpd server so the web-page could send the auth 
token back to it. I didn't even need to enter my details as I was 
already logged in to the gcloud console in Chrome.


So, it wasn't intended as a general web-server, but for small tasks 
where you need to talk to something which naturally talks http :)


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [OT, maybe] - configuring a Windows Installer for a Standalone

2018-04-06 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Treor, thanks, will try it. I despise myself for my ignorance here, but it is 
very hard to get an easy path to understanding, especially since both the 
vocabulary and logic seem so alien.

Anyway I appreciate all the help I’ve been getting.

Graham

> On 6 Apr 2018, at 03:26, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I’ve got a standalone which is cross-platform and works well on Mac and
>> PC. Unfortunately I’m having a lot of trouble with making a viable Windows
>> Installer, using the Inno system. All goes well with the installation
>> process until the user checks “launch” for the app at the end of the
>> installation process. He/she then gets and error message (this is on both
>> Windows 7 and Windows 10):
>> 
>>> C:/Program Files\Myprogram\Myprogram.exe
>>> 
>>> CreateProcess failed: code 740
>>> The requested operation requires elevation
>> 
> 
> Have you tried adding the following configuration option to your .iss file?
> 
> PrivilegesRequired=admin
> 
> If not then give it a try.
> 
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> Trevor DeVore
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Livecode 9.0.0 (Problem Saving??)

2018-04-06 Thread JosebaTELUR via use-livecode
Hello:

I work with a stack with 18.000 cards (86 MB).
When I do “Save”, it takes 12 minutes to execute it, and generate new file.
This same option in Livecode 5.5.4 is solved in a few seconds

Un saludo.

Joseba Aguayo Fernández
(jagu...@telur.es)

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