Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hi Monte,

I was hoping that was the case, but I figured luck would have it i would
need to build LC. Good to hear.

The truth is I am not really sure how these fine details work..I definitely
need clarity.

We had to make a pivot with our products  the sequence.so we have 2
on the go. one of my projects is GPL for sure but the most recent one,
I am not sure yet.  Leaning that way though.

My inquiry has to do with this project
https://www.makeshyft.com/timesavers-toolbox/  I would like the browser
array feature to be able to work on all video sites...or at least most.

There is a revenue model even though the codebase might go GPL3.

Thanks for chiming in on this.

I sent an email to the people in charge of this and i guess they will write
me back. We'll see where all this goes, but i feel the product can
definitely withstand this limitation for the time being.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 6:35 PM Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On 10 Sep 2018, at 4:02 am, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If I do that . I then have to make my own build of CEF, My own build
> of
> > Livecode, and then build my standalones?  What could go wrong?LOL
> 
> > Is that my only option? I may have to seriously consider doing whatever
> it
> > takes.
>
> Actually you _only_ need to build CEF and then can copy libcef.dll into
> your app but you do have to build the exact revision used by the version of
> LiveCode you want to use it with. However, correct me if I’m wrong but I
> thought you use LiveCode Community as your project is GPL which I would
> have thought would preclude you from incorporating proprietary codecs… Not
> that I would know as IANAL ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Datagrid deleteline vs deletelines issue

2018-09-09 Thread hlowe via use-livecode
Thanks Zryip. I have created a bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21576

It would be helpful if there was a support document describing the changes
between DG1 and DG2. I wasted a few hours tracking this one down.

Henry 

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Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode


> On 10 Sep 2018, at 4:02 am, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I do that . I then have to make my own build of CEF, My own build of
> Livecode, and then build my standalones?  What could go wrong?LOL  
> Is that my only option? I may have to seriously consider doing whatever it
> takes.

Actually you _only_ need to build CEF and then can copy libcef.dll into your 
app but you do have to build the exact revision used by the version of LiveCode 
you want to use it with. However, correct me if I’m wrong but I thought you use 
LiveCode Community as your project is GPL which I would have thought would 
preclude you from incorporating proprietary codecs… Not that I would know as 
IANAL ;-)

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Being stupid for a change

2018-09-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

Certainly feels like that from time to time.

Richmond.

On 9/9/2018 11:56 pm, Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond, you’re not stupid, just ‘clude’-less. ;)

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Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
f-bomb! ty for those resources Richard.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:48 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom Glod wrote:
>
>  > On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:36 PM Mark Waddingham wrote:
>  >
>  >> H264 is patent encumbered - in order to distribute software
>  >> containing an implementation you need to license the MPEG-LA patent
>  >> pool.
>  >>
>  >> That's why you won't find any public CEF prebuilts with the flag
>  >> enabled.
>  >
>  > If I do that . I then have to make my own build of CEF, My own
>  > build of Livecode, and then build my standalones?  What could go
>  > wrong?
>
> Patent litigation.
>
> The licensing around h.264 is complex enough that the owning patent
> pool, MPEG-LA, has put together an FAQ to help navigate its rules:
> http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/FAQ.aspx
>
> Numerous lay articles have been written to help consumers and developers
> try to navigate that legal minefield:
>
> H.264, patent licensing, and you
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/know-your-rights-h-264-patent-licensing-and-you/
>
> A closer look at the costs (and fine print) of H.264 licenses
>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/a-closer-look-at-the-costs-and-fine-print-of-h-264-licenses/
>
> H.264 patents: how much do they really cost?
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/h-264-patents-how-much-do-they-really-cost/
>
> Oh so many more:
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=h.264+patent+licensing
>
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Re: Being stupid for a change

2018-09-09 Thread Jim Lambert via use-livecode
Richmond, you’re not stupid, just ‘clude’-less. ;)

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Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Tom Glod wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:36 PM Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
>> H264 is patent encumbered - in order to distribute software
>> containing an implementation you need to license the MPEG-LA patent
>> pool.
>>
>> That's why you won't find any public CEF prebuilts with the flag
>> enabled.
>
> If I do that . I then have to make my own build of CEF, My own
> build of Livecode, and then build my standalones?  What could go
> wrong?

Patent litigation.

The licensing around h.264 is complex enough that the owning patent 
pool, MPEG-LA, has put together an FAQ to help navigate its rules:

http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/FAQ.aspx

Numerous lay articles have been written to help consumers and developers 
try to navigate that legal minefield:


H.264, patent licensing, and you
https://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/know-your-rights-h-264-patent-licensing-and-you/

A closer look at the costs (and fine print) of H.264 licenses
https://www.zdnet.com/article/a-closer-look-at-the-costs-and-fine-print-of-h-264-licenses/

H.264 patents: how much do they really cost?
https://www.zdnet.com/article/h-264-patents-how-much-do-they-really-cost/

Oh so many more:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=h.264+patent+licensing

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Re: Using RevMail in Server?

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Matthias Rebbe wrote:
>> Am 09.09.2018 um 18:56 schrieb Richard Gaskin:
>> tsNet includes an SMTP server?
>>
> I didn´t wrote that.

It was just a question about how it does that, since most of tsNet seems 
focused on client-side activities. You answered here:

.
> I am pretty sure you know this already, but if not:
> tsNet provides the commands tsNetSmtp, tsNetSmtpFile,tsNetSmtpSync and
> tsNetSmtpFileSync for sending emails.

I did not, which is why I asked.  It hadn't occurred to me that a 
client-side tool like tsNet would include what seems to be more or less 
the functionality of sendmail.  Pretty cool that it does. Thanks.


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Re: Using RevMail in Server?

2018-09-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode


> Am 09.09.2018 um 18:56 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> 
> tsNet includes an SMTP server?
> 
I didn´t wrote that. 

I wrote that we want to replace the use of sendmail in Livecode scripts with 
using tsNet to send out emails with the formdata of our webforms. 
The webform sends the data to our Livecode Server script and the script 
processes the data and sends the data by email to us. Currently this is done 
with sendmail, but in future we want to use tsNet. 
I am pretty sure you know this already, but if not:
tsNet provides the commands tsNetSmtp, tsNetSmtpFile,tsNetSmtpSync and 
tsNetSmtpFileSync for sending emails.

Regards,
Matthias




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Re: Datagrid deleteline vs deletelines issue

2018-09-09 Thread zryip theSlug via use-livecode
Henry,

I can confirm, the deleteLine behavior changed in dg2. Inside the dg2
library, deleteLine and deleteLines are different handlers now (deleteLine
is managing some animation now according to the comment I've seen in the
code). Inside dg1, deleteLine was just calling deleteLines.
Same remark with the deleteIndex and deleteIndexes command.

Inside DGH I've changed deleteLine for deleteLines for fixing a bug but I
did not read the documentation. This is probably something to update inside
the documentation with a warn about ascendant compatibility.


On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 6:51 PM hlowe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The Dictionary states that the command 'deleteline': "Deletes the specified
> lines from the data grid.
>
> The syntax is:
>
> dispatch "DeleteLine" to group "DataGrid" with pLine
>
> where pLine is a comma-delimited list of one or more integers, indicating
> the lines to be deleted.
>
> So to delete lines 1,2 and 3 of the datagrid "myDG" we would use:
>
> put "1,2,3" into pLine
> dispatch "DeleteLine" to group "myDG" with pLine
>
> The Dictionary also states that the command 'deletelines' (note the plural
> form) is a synonym for deleteline, implying that either form will do the
> same thing.
>
> However 'deleteline' using LC 9.0.1 (RC3) on a Mac (running an iOS App in
> both the emulator and on the device) will only accept a single line number
> in its 'pLine' parameter. Passing more that one integer in 'pLine' causes
> 'deleteline' to fail silently. To delete more that one line, I must use the
> pleural form of the command 'deletelines'.
>
> put "1,2,3" into pLine
> dispatch "DeleteLine" to group "myDG" with pLine
>
> fails silently
>
> while
>
> put "1,2,3" into pLine
> dispatch "DeleteLines" to group "myDG" with pLine
>
> succeeds
>
> A bug, a Dictionary issue or something more complex?
>
> Can anyone else confirm this?
>
> Henry
>
> Ascriva Health Informatics
> https://www.ascriva.com
>
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Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
If I do that . I then have to make my own build of CEF, My own build of
Livecode, and then build my standalones?  What could go wrong?LOL  
Is that my only option? I may have to seriously consider doing whatever it
takes.

Thanks for the confirmation.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:36 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> H264 is patent encumbered - in order to distribute software containing an
> implementation you need to license the MPEG-LA patent pool.
>
> That's why you won't find any public CEF prebuilts with the flag enabled.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 9 Sep 2018, at 18:04, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone, I am wondering if any of you can shed light as to why the
> > Chrome Embedded Framework that Livecode uses cannot be built with the
> h264
> > and MSE (and maybe other codecs?)... is there no way to notify the
> user
> > of the license exception? .. or does it even matter?  because no
> > one is changing the code in the codec.?
> >
> > needless to say, the browser is needlessly restrictedin my view
> > anyways.  youtube half works...vimeo doesn't...neither does netflix and
> God
> > knows what else.
> >
> > If its not a problem..can someone please put in the extra flags?
> >
> > http://magpcss.org/ceforum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13515&start=30
> >
> > THanks,
> >
> > Tom
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Re: Using RevMail in Server?

2018-09-09 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode




On 09/09/2018 17:56, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:


tsNet includes an SMTP server?

What commands would one use?


I've never done it, but ...

lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/685661-how-to-send-e-mail-using-the-tsnet-external 



 



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Re: Let's go mental

2018-09-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
OK, OK; here's "Ole Cheesey-feet" replying to his own message, just for 
a change:


When I changed something in the preOpenCard code that the navigation 
"button" was going 'next' to it behaved itself.


This is UTTER RUBBISH as a newby is really extremely unlikely to work 
out that when the
IDE throws an error code supposedly about something the fault is 
actually somewhere else.


This needs sorting out.

Richmond.

On 9/9/2018 8:36 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Yes, Let's: after all it is the anniversary of the "triumph" of 
Communism in Bulgaria.


Um . . .

So, there I am, as usual, on a Sunday, popping together a well simple 
stack with LiveCode 7.1.4 for the
tinies (5-7 years old) to practice writing "The monster has one eye", 
because, as one knows, it is
absolutely mission-critical in life to be able to make that sort of 
statement about monsters when you see them coming.


Hey-Ho. . . to navigation buttons . . .

So, on card 1 I have an arrow-shaped image containing this, very 
complex code:


on mouseUp
go next
end mouseUp

which has stood me in good stead for the better part of 25 years (pace 
HyperCard).


So; when the thing threw a "bluey":

 executing at 8:34:32 PM
TypeHandler: error in statement
ObjectAR.png
Linego next
HintmouseUp

I felt both "blue" and "cluded" . . .

Richmond.


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Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
H264 is patent encumbered - in order to distribute software containing an 
implementation you need to license the MPEG-LA patent pool.

That's why you won't find any public CEF prebuilts with the flag enabled.

Warmest Regards, 

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Sep 2018, at 18:04, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone, I am wondering if any of you can shed light as to why the
> Chrome Embedded Framework that Livecode uses cannot be built with the h264
> and MSE (and maybe other codecs?)... is there no way to notify the user
> of the license exception? .. or does it even matter?  because no
> one is changing the code in the codec.?
> 
> needless to say, the browser is needlessly restrictedin my view
> anyways.  youtube half works...vimeo doesn't...neither does netflix and God
> knows what else.
> 
> If its not a problem..can someone please put in the extra flags?
> 
> http://magpcss.org/ceforum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13515&start=30
> 
> THanks,
> 
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Let's go mental

2018-09-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Yes, Let's: after all it is the anniversary of the "triumph" of 
Communism in Bulgaria.


Um . . .

So, there I am, as usual, on a Sunday, popping together a well simple 
stack with LiveCode 7.1.4 for the
tinies (5-7 years old) to practice writing "The monster has one eye", 
because, as one knows, it is
absolutely mission-critical in life to be able to make that sort of 
statement about monsters when you see them coming.


Hey-Ho. . . to navigation buttons . . .

So, on card 1 I have an arrow-shaped image containing this, very complex 
code:


on mouseUp
go next
end mouseUp

which has stood me in good stead for the better part of 25 years (pace 
HyperCard).


So; when the thing threw a "bluey":

 executing at 8:34:32 PM
TypeHandler: error in statement
ObjectAR.png
Linego next
HintmouseUp

I felt both "blue" and "cluded" . . .

Richmond.
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Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hi Everyone, I am wondering if any of you can shed light as to why the
Chrome Embedded Framework that Livecode uses cannot be built with the h264
and MSE (and maybe other codecs?)... is there no way to notify the user
of the license exception? .. or does it even matter?  because no
one is changing the code in the codec.?

needless to say, the browser is needlessly restrictedin my view
anyways.  youtube half works...vimeo doesn't...neither does netflix and God
knows what else.

If its not a problem..can someone please put in the extra flags?

http://magpcss.org/ceforum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13515&start=30

THanks,

Tom
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Re: Using RevMail in Server?

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Matthias Rebbe wrote:

> Richard already pointed you to the lesson about sending email from
> Livecode Server scripts.
>
> We´re  using that method for years to send formdata from our webforms
> to our office.
>
> Another way would be to use the tsNet external with LiveCode Server,
> if you have a commercial license of Livecode Server and your server
> system has all needed libraries up to date.

tsNet includes an SMTP server?

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Datagrid deleteline vs deletelines issue

2018-09-09 Thread hlowe via use-livecode
The Dictionary states that the command 'deleteline': "Deletes the specified
lines from the data grid.

The syntax is:

dispatch "DeleteLine" to group "DataGrid" with pLine

where pLine is a comma-delimited list of one or more integers, indicating
the lines to be deleted.

So to delete lines 1,2 and 3 of the datagrid "myDG" we would use:

put "1,2,3" into pLine
dispatch "DeleteLine" to group "myDG" with pLine

The Dictionary also states that the command 'deletelines' (note the plural
form) is a synonym for deleteline, implying that either form will do the
same thing.

However 'deleteline' using LC 9.0.1 (RC3) on a Mac (running an iOS App in
both the emulator and on the device) will only accept a single line number
in its 'pLine' parameter. Passing more that one integer in 'pLine' causes
'deleteline' to fail silently. To delete more that one line, I must use the
pleural form of the command 'deletelines'.

put "1,2,3" into pLine
dispatch "DeleteLine" to group "myDG" with pLine

fails silently

while

put "1,2,3" into pLine
dispatch "DeleteLines" to group "myDG" with pLine

succeeds

A bug, a Dictionary issue or something more complex?

Can anyone else confirm this?

Henry

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Re: Using RevMail in Server?

2018-09-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode


> Am 09.09.2018 um 16:16 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> 
>> 
>> I'm surprised the docs include "server" as a platform for that command, as 
>> it wouldn't make sense there.
> 
> Yes, I think it must be a misprint or it is missing important information 
> about using it in a form.

I would say it´s an error in the dictionary. For me it makes no sense to open 
an app with a GUI from Livecode Server. But anyway, that´s my opinion.

Richard already pointed you to the lesson about sending email from Livecode 
Server scripts.

We´re  using that method for years to send formdata from our webforms to our 
office.

Another way would be to use the tsNet external with LiveCode Server, if you 
have a commercial license of Livecode Server and your server system has all 
needed libraries up to date.

HostM has just updated their systems, so that it is now possible to use 
LivecodeServer 64bit with tsNet. 
We did some basic tests and they were successful so far. The coming days we 
will change one of our form processing scripts, so that it uses tsNEt instead 
of sendmail.

I am really curious if this will work w/o problems. We will see. But if it 
does, then that would be a great enhancement for LivecodeServer.

Regards

Matthias




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Re: Using RevMail in Server?

2018-09-09 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode



> On Sep 8, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> If a server had a GUI with a mail client installed, who would be there to 
> click the Send button? :)

QuicKeys 4 for Mac OS X can always click the Send button even when no one is 
around to click the button.  :-)

> 
> I'm surprised the docs include "server" as a platform for that command, as it 
> wouldn't make sense there.

Yes, I think it must be a misprint or it is missing important information about 
using it in a form.

> 
> That is, unless it uses the same syntax to bundle up the data to pass off to 
> sendmail.  But I didn't see anything like that in the Dictionary.
> 
> This Lesson offers a way to send email using LC Server:
> 

Thanks for the link Richard!

> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: Bluetooth again (was Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 180, Issue 17)

2018-09-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
If one belives Apple's propaganda that they take up 10% of the personal 
computer market that still excludes 90%:


"more than half" might qualify as an understatement.

Richmond.

On 9/9/2018 2:53 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Nice to know, but this seems to leave more than half the potential users of 
one’s app out in the cold. OK Apple, you win this time. Is there no PC and/or 
Android help on the horizon?

Graham


On 8 Sep 2018, at 22:38, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
 wrote:


MarkR wrote:

Can LiveCode communicate with Bluetooth devices?

There is an extension that comes with an Indy/Business license. mergBLE

 From the Dictionary:
"mergBLE is a LiveCode external for iOS and OS X that enables CoreBluetooth 
(BLE) functionality. You can use the external to discover and interact with 
peripherals or advertise your app as a peripheral for others to interact with.”

Jim Lambert


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Bluetooth again (was Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 180, Issue 17)

2018-09-09 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Nice to know, but this seems to leave more than half the potential users of 
one’s app out in the cold. OK Apple, you win this time. Is there no PC and/or 
Android help on the horizon?

Graham

> On 8 Sep 2018, at 22:38, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> MarkR wrote:
>> 
>> Can LiveCode communicate with Bluetooth devices?
> 
> There is an extension that comes with an Indy/Business license. mergBLE
> 
> From the Dictionary:
> "mergBLE is a LiveCode external for iOS and OS X that enables CoreBluetooth 
> (BLE) functionality. You can use the external to discover and interact with 
> peripherals or advertise your app as a peripheral for others to interact 
> with.”
> 
> Jim Lambert
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