livecode in terminal ; path in linux as alternative to bash?

2019-09-08 Thread Eric A. Engle via use-livecode
 I am learning bash (bourne again shell) on linux; i would like to know if it 
is possible to 1) invoke livecode from the command line 2) how to install 
livcode into my path 3) whether livecode can be used as an alternative to bash?
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  1. Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?
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Subject: Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?
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I don't think any of us are happy about the contortions we increasingly 
need to go through to get apps into the app stores or out to the public. 
Keeping up with Apple is even harder for the LC team.

But Apple sells privacy and safety as its primary distinctive feature. 
There are instances where an app was decompiled, malware added, and 
recompiled using the original author's name. That not only endangers the 
public, but also trashes the developer's reputation through no fault of 
their own.

Adding a verification token is a way to make that harder. Google has a 
different system in place, currently optional but highly encouraged, which 
does the same thing since they've found several instances of this kind of 
malware insertion.

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On September 8, 2019 9:12:55 AM Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
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> That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their 
> nonsense.
> More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor of 
> Linux.
>
> Just my 2 cents.  :-)
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> Rick
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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Maybe developers should have been pushing for code signing some time ago—on 
their own terms. 

> On Sep 8, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their 
> nonsense.
> More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor of 
> Linux.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.  :-)
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread Antti Ilola via use-livecode
And then, when everybody use Linux, where do you think the bad guys is
going to put their efforts.

Antti

su 8.9.2019 klo 17.11 Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> kirjoitti:

> That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their
> nonsense.
> More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor
> of Linux.
>
> Just my 2 cents.  :-)
>
> Rick
>
> > On Sep 8, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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> > If you want a developer platform use Linux
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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I don't think any of us are happy about the contortions we increasingly 
need to go through to get apps into the app stores or out to the public. 
Keeping up with Apple is even harder for the LC team.


But Apple sells privacy and safety as its primary distinctive feature. 
There are instances where an app was decompiled, malware added, and 
recompiled using the original author's name. That not only endangers the 
public, but also trashes the developer's reputation through no fault of 
their own.


Adding a verification token is a way to make that harder. Google has a 
different system in place, currently optional but highly encouraged, which 
does the same thing since they've found several instances of this kind of 
malware insertion.


--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 8, 2019 9:12:55 AM Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
 wrote:


That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their 
nonsense.
More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor of 
Linux.


Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Rick

On Sep 8, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
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If you want a developer platform use Linux


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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
This reminds me of the arguments that the British government have used 
to set up a surveillance society.


Richmond.

On 8.09.19 17:37, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks,
With respect, I agree with Paul’s comments. We live in an online environment 
where we are faced, on a daily basis, with criminal activity. The worst of it 
can cost us financially, but even major players like Amazon record our 
behaviors and choices, for their profit, with disclosure statements too long, 
so most folks don’t read them. I get several phone calls every day from folks 
from “who knows where?” trying to get my personal info so they can access my 
bank account.

It is sad, I agree, that it is more difficult to make an app that we want to 
send to our friends, because of Apple’s security requirements. But, suppose 
someone distributes an app to your friends with malware and claims to be you? 
When there is so much info about each of us available already, spoofing as 
anybody else isn’t so hard. Clicking on nefarious links is common and the 
innocent staff of public agencies have inadvertently let ransomware into their 
workplace, costing big for their employer.

I get frustrated too, about the ever changing Apple requirements that make it 
harder for me to share my apps. Mathew’s signing app is a wonderful 
contribution that will make it much easier.

So, my mindset now is that we live in a swamp full of alligators and that 
protective clothing, while hot and uncomfortable, keeps me and my friends 
safe(er).

Have fun,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org


On Sep 8, 2019, at 7:10 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
 wrote:

That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their 
nonsense.
More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor of 
Linux.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Rick


On Sep 8, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
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If you want a developer platform use Linux

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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

At which point, if Apple and Microsoft have any brain at all,
they'll wake up and Linux will, finally, achieve what has always
been one of its reasons for being: to stop the smugness of a
duopoly that has dominated the computer world far, far too long.

Richmond.

On 8.09.19 17:10, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their 
nonsense.
More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor of 
Linux.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Rick


On Sep 8, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
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If you want a developer platform use Linux

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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Folks,
With respect, I agree with Paul’s comments. We live in an online environment 
where we are faced, on a daily basis, with criminal activity. The worst of it 
can cost us financially, but even major players like Amazon record our 
behaviors and choices, for their profit, with disclosure statements too long, 
so most folks don’t read them. I get several phone calls every day from folks 
from “who knows where?” trying to get my personal info so they can access my 
bank account.

It is sad, I agree, that it is more difficult to make an app that we want to 
send to our friends, because of Apple’s security requirements. But, suppose 
someone distributes an app to your friends with malware and claims to be you? 
When there is so much info about each of us available already, spoofing as 
anybody else isn’t so hard. Clicking on nefarious links is common and the 
innocent staff of public agencies have inadvertently let ransomware into their 
workplace, costing big for their employer.

I get frustrated too, about the ever changing Apple requirements that make it 
harder for me to share my apps. Mathew’s signing app is a wonderful 
contribution that will make it much easier.

So, my mindset now is that we live in a swamp full of alligators and that 
protective clothing, while hot and uncomfortable, keeps me and my friends 
safe(er).

Have fun,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Sep 8, 2019, at 7:10 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their 
> nonsense.
> More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor of 
> Linux.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.  :-)
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want a developer platform use Linux
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Re: 9.5 on Windows seems terribly unable to deal with fields full of text?

2019-09-08 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
Just running a script with large variables, no viewers open, and setting a 
breakpoint took 20 seconds. 
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9.5 on Windows seems terribly unable to deal with fields full of text?

2019-09-08 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
The ide seems slow in general, but put the contents of a 1 mb 80k line file, 
and the message box disables the IDE, with multi-second delays. Examine that 
value as a variable, and similarly but to a lesser extent things slow down. I 
remember having no trouble doing things like this in 8, maybe even 9 on my 
6-year-old MacBook, which is in the shop getting a new battery. 

Anyone else? Any suggestions?
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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
That may be exactly what happens next if the big guys continue with their 
nonsense.
More developers will rebel and leave their platforms altogether in favor of 
Linux.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Rick

> On Sep 8, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> If you want a developer platform use Linux

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Re: OSX File Extension

2019-09-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_filename_extensions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_formats

On 8.09.19 8:48, Kee Nethery via use-livecode wrote:

I seem to recall a Wikipedia article that lists all of the file extensions not 
file types but file extensions. You might want to look to see if yours is 
already in use.

Kee Nethery


On Sep 7, 2019, at 10:44 PM, JB via use-livecode 
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Thanks for the info!  I guess I will just start
using what I want and see if it catches on.

JB


On Sep 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
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Apple no longer maintains a file type code registry.Richard GaskinFourth World 
Systems
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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-08 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Paul Dupuis wrote:> I see no one refuting Peter's original > claims that 
Catalina is a ste towards > the end of ad-hoc and in-house > development for 
the Apple platform > and I would agree.Me too, FWIW, but I don't think the 
problem is Apple.What really changed since the olden days is that the Internet 
has become both ubiquitous and hostile.The restrictions we face with or 
in-house apps apply to all apps, and in increasingly hostile environment we 
want those in place.How can the OS know your app is truly yours and not from 
someone else masquerading as you? Signing does that.Apple makes consumer 
electronics, and everything they make is designed to connect to the 
Internet.The connected world has become a dangerous place.Primarily a consumer 
platform, we should expect consumer-level protections.If you want a developer 
platform use Linux. ;)Richard GaskinFourth World Systems
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