date:20191021

LC9 uses DirectShow which Microsoft ships with a very limited number of
formats it supports.

We recommend people install LAV Filters - a free set of additional codec
for DirectShow that provides a format range comparable to Apple AVF

https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters/releases/download/0.74.1/LAVFilters-0.74.1-Installer.exe

Don't let the 0.74.1 version number scare you, there are really very good.

Also be aware that there are a bunch of player object bugs:

See
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced_id=92758_desc=player_status=UNCONFIRMED_status=PENDING_status=PENDING_AWAITING_FOLLOW_UP_status=EXPERT_REVIEW_status=CONFIRMED_status=CONFIRMED_NOT_REPRODUCED_status=IN_PROGRESS_status=IN_PROGRESS_AWAITING_FOLLOW_UP_status=AWAITING_MERGE_status=AWAITING_TEST_status=AWAITING_RELEASE_status=HIBERNATED_status=REOPENED_desc_type=allwordssubstr

On 10/21/2019 5:22 PM, R.H. via use-livecode wrote:

I am using Windows 10, 64bit, latest update. I am using an Indy license.
I am working with LC v9.5.0 Build 15503.

Until Christmas I need to develop a small application for music performers
and highly controlled playing of video and audio. I am not too experienced
with LC's video/audio player capabilities. So i tested.

Since I am almost exclusively using the MP4 format, I tried to display
videos that work on all other players (Windows Media Player, VLC, Movies &
TV, any HTML player), in LC they do not play. Everwhere else, they do.

The provided sample video of the player "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode
Indy 9.5/Resources/Sample.mpg" works. But it is an .mpg file. If nothing
else works, I have to convert all videos to MPEG?

OK. I installed a separat codec on my Windows system. MP4 partially started
to work. But most of the time, it does not. Only sound is played, but no
video. But even with installed codec that support all kinds of video and
audio formats, the LC player does not play .akp or .webm files.

In my application it is essential to loop through segments of the video
multiple times. The "loop" function cannot be used here as it can not be
defined to loop a specified number of times through a segment defined by
start-time and stop-time and be user controlled. I just tried a repeat loop
that calls the player repeatedly. First, it did not work. But then the
solution: The player first must have stopped and must have sent a stop
message that can be retrieved from the handler "on playstopped" to start
playing again. I am setting a global gVideoEnded. Then starting another
play segment loop is possible with a "wait with messages" command waiting
for the global flag set to be true. The solution worked with some small MP4
files.

But bigger video files (also smaller ones) seem to create problems. For the
first time, the video may (or may not) play, but then it may completely
stop and not play again. No other video then can be played. Even reloading
the same video file will not work then.

Often, at this point, the LC IDE stops working and I have to force-quit and
restart.

Also, from a huge number of local MT4 videos, only a small part will show
video while the sound usually plays.

To me it appears that either this new version of LC is not working with
this player on Windows the way it should, or it is a general bug with the
player, or something is wrong with me.

I am just asking if anybody experienced problems playing MP4 videos on
Windows. I am really interested to know. If it the current player is too
buggy then I have to use a Javascript player or play with ffmeg (very nice
utility). I cannot spend days or weeks trying to find out what is going
wrong. Any experiences playing video in the browser widget?

Any other experiences with playing .webm or .akp video files?

If others here have same or similar problems and there is no bug report, I
will post a bug report. I could not find recent bugs for the player object
on Windows describing this problem.

Roland
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Video-Player LiveCode on Windows

2019-10-21 Thread R.H. via use-livecode

I am using Windows 10, 64bit, latest update. I am using an Indy license.
I am working with LC v9.5.0 Build 15503.

Until Christmas I need to develop a small application for music performers
and highly controlled playing of video and audio. I am not too experienced
with LC's video/audio player capabilities. So i tested.

Since I am almost exclusively using the MP4 format, I tried to display
videos that work on all other players (Windows Media Player, VLC, Movies &
TV, any HTML player), in LC they do not play. Everwhere else, they do.

The provided sample video of the player "C:/Program Files/RunRev/LiveCode
Indy 9.5/Resources/Sample.mpg" works. But it is an .mpg file. If nothing
else works, I have to convert all videos to MPEG?

OK. I installed a separat codec on my Windows system. MP4 partially started
to work. But most of the time, it does not. Only sound is played, but no
video. But even with installed codec that support all kinds of video and
audio formats, the LC player does not play .akp or .webm files.

In my application it is essential to loop through segments of the video
multiple times. The "loop" function cannot be used here as it can not be
defined to loop a specified number of times through a segment defined by
start-time and stop-time and be user controlled. I just tried a repeat loop
that calls the player repeatedly. First, it did not work. But then the
solution: The player first must have stopped and must have sent a stop
message that can be retrieved from the handler "on playstopped" to start
playing again. I am setting a global gVideoEnded. Then starting another
play segment loop is possible with a "wait with messages" command waiting
for the global flag set to be true. The solution worked with some small MP4
files.

But bigger video files (also smaller ones) seem to create problems. For the
first time, the video may (or may not) play, but then it may completely
stop and not play again. No other video then can be played. Even reloading
the same video file will not work then.

Often, at this point, the LC IDE stops working and I have to force-quit and
restart.

Also, from a huge number of local MT4 videos, only a small part will show
video while the sound usually plays.

To me it appears that either this new version of LC is not working with
this player on Windows the way it should, or it is a general bug with the
player, or something is wrong with me.

I am just asking if anybody experienced problems playing MP4 videos on
Windows. I am really interested to know. If it the current player is too
buggy then I have to use a Javascript player or play with ffmeg (very nice
utility). I cannot spend days or weeks trying to find out what is going
wrong. Any experiences playing video in the browser widget?

Any other experiences with playing .webm or .akp video files?

If others here have same or similar problems and there is no bug report, I
will post a bug report. I could not find recent bugs for the player object
on Windows describing this problem.

Roland
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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10

2019-10-21 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode


On 10/21/19 2:03 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

  True. I just wrote a Win10 specific fix like the one Panos posted in 
the bug. Still I look forward to the day I can remove that and not have 
call a hrEffectiveRect function that returns 'the effective rect' for 
every OS except Windows 10 where it does some subtraction and then 
returns a rect.


Is there any situation in which it would be useful to have the eye candy 
included in the (effective) rect? If not, I don't understand the LC 
logic at all.


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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10

On 10/21/2019 4:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Paul Dupuis wrote:

> When the 'effective rect' of a stack was introduced to provide the
> outer boundaries of a stack, along with the effective working
> screenRects(s), I rewrote all my complicated windows management code
> (and some of your clever tricks for Windows weirdness, Richard), to
> use simple elegant code that worked awesomely on all OSX versions and
> every Windows version until I tried it under Windows 10 and ...
>
> Not one of my happier days :-(

But at least it's a simpler workaround these day.

In the olden days the border width of a window in Windows was 
user-settable, so the only way to get that (and a few other relevant 
settings) was to obtain metrics from the Windows registry.

With Win10, if I read Mark Waddingham's comment correctly, the border 
can only be 1px, so all those old registry calls can safely go away 
with just simple hard-wired arithmetic.

 True. I just wrote a Win10 specific fix like the one Panos posted in 
the bug. Still I look forward to the day I can remove that and not have 
call a hrEffectiveRect function that returns 'the effective rect' for 
every OS except Windows 10 where it does some subtraction and then 
returns a rect.

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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10

2019-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

As have I. 

Bob S


> On Oct 21, 2019, at 11:51 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:31 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Add your name to this bug:
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
>> 
>> Mark Waddigham chimed in at one point that the Windows API returns the
>> 8px border width under Windows 10 - the 1px visible border and a 7px
>> "touch area" is apparently how Microsoft views it, so LC's position is
>> that this is sort of an OS vendor issue rather than their.
>> 
>> I disagree of course.
>> 
> 
> I agree with your disagreement. I've added my 2 cents.
> 
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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10

2019-10-21 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode

I have fits with using these rects. It ought to be as simple as saving the rect 
of a stack when closing it, and restoring it when opening it, regardless of 
what monitor is in effect. 

My problem comes in when I run the stack in a 1080p monitor at work, sleep it 
then go into the field, now Im on a retina display! Stack is now half obscured 
on the right and top. 

I've tried a number of things but I can't seem to get it to work consistently. 
I'm just going to say that this is the issue with any pixel based coordinate 
system. 

I'll probably write something that converts to screen percentages instead of 
pixels. That is really the way to do this. 

Bob S


> On Oct 21, 2019, at 11:11 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am looking for input from people who are using `the effective rect of
> stack` and the values it reports on Windows. I have some code that uses the
> effective rect of a group to determine if the stack is still on the screen
> after the user moves the stack or when restoring window positions when an
> app relaunches.
> 
> On Windows 10 I just noticed that `the effective rect of stack` includes
> the drop shadow that appears along the left, bottom, and right of a window
> on Windows 10. For my use case including the shadows in the `effective rect
> of stack` serves no value. I'm wondering if someone has a use case where it
> is helpful to have the drop shadow included in `the effective rect`?
> 
> Here is how you can check behavior if you are interested:
> 
> EXPECTED RESULT: The effective rect of a stack on Windows would return the
> rect of the stack that includes stack borders and title bar.
> 
> OBSERVED RESULT: The effective rect includes the drop shadow of the window
> in the rect.
> 
> RECIPE:
> 1. Create a new stack
> 2. Set the topleft of the stack to 0,0
> 3. `put the effective rect of this stack`. The left of the rect will be a
> negative value.
> 4. `set the effective topleft of this stack to 0,0`. The left of the stack
> will be offset by the negative value from (3).
> 
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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10

Paul Dupuis wrote:

> When the 'effective rect' of a stack was introduced to provide the
> outer boundaries of a stack, along with the effective working
> screenRects(s), I rewrote all my complicated windows management code
> (and some of your clever tricks for Windows weirdness, Richard), to
> use simple elegant code that worked awesomely on all OSX versions and
> every Windows version until I tried it under Windows 10 and ...
>
> Not one of my happier days :-(

But at least it's a simpler workaround these day.

In the olden days the border width of a window in Windows was 
user-settable, so the only way to get that (and a few other relevant 
settings) was to obtain metrics from the Windows registry.

With Win10, if I read Mark Waddingham's comment correctly, the border 
can only be 1px, so all those old registry calls can safely go away with 
just simple hard-wired arithmetic.

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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10


Thank your Richard and Trevor.

When the 'effective rect' of a stack was introduced to provide the outer 
boundaries of a stack, along with the effective working screenRects(s), 
I rewrote all my complicated windows management code (and some of your 
clever tricks for Windows weirdness, Richard), to use simple elegant 
code that worked awesomely on all OSX versions and every Windows version 
until I tried it under Windows 10 and ...


Not one of my happier days :-(


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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread JJS via use-livecode


i can see it in the dictionary 950 Indy on windows

Op 21-10-2019 om 21:28 schreef Martin Koob via use-livecode:

Hi Richard

I had been using Monte’s mergAWS for an application then the new AWS S3 
commands were incorporated into LiveCode 9. So I needed to make some changes to 
transition.  I was using LC 9.0.4. I am sure I was using the dictionary in the 
IDE.  I am not at my Mac now. Try searching S3.

Martin

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Thanks, Martin.  That's also very handy, but how did you learn the syntax?  
Where is this library documented?

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Martin Koob wrote:

Hi Richard
I have a test stack got most of the commands, functions and messages uploaded 
to a bug report. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22383
I have been meaning to clean it up a bit and post it somewhere for users. Martin

On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode  wrote:
Apparently v9 added support for Amazon's S3, but I can't find documentation on 
it.
I see mention of it in the Release Notes for v9 and later, e.g.:
  Amazon Web Services (AWS) Library
  The new Amazon Web Services library includes support for Amazon
  Simple Storage Service (S3). You can use S3 to provide cloud
  storage for your app. Read more here
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/whats-new/release-notes/
Unfortunately, the "Read more here" link goes to Amazon AWS, where they provide 
no documentation on using their service with LiveCode.
I tried looking in the LC Dictionary, but searching for "aws" and "s3" yield 
nothing.
Clues?


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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode

Hi Richard

I had been using Monte’s mergAWS for an application then the new AWS S3 
commands were incorporated into LiveCode 9. So I needed to make some changes to 
transition.  I was using LC 9.0.4. I am sure I was using the dictionary in the 
IDE.  I am not at my Mac now. Try searching S3. 

Martin

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Martin.  That's also very handy, but how did you learn the syntax?  
> Where is this library documented?
> 
> -- 
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> Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
> Martin Koob wrote:
>> Hi Richard
>> I have a test stack got most of the commands, functions and messages 
>> uploaded to a bug report. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22383
>> I have been meaning to clean it up a bit and post it somewhere for users. 
>> Martin
>>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >> at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Apparently v9 added support for Amazon's S3, but I can't find documentation 
>>> on it.
>>> I see mention of it in the Release Notes for v9 and later, e.g.:
>>>  Amazon Web Services (AWS) Library
>>>  The new Amazon Web Services library includes support for Amazon
>>>  Simple Storage Service (S3). You can use S3 to provide cloud
>>>  storage for your app. Read more here
>>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/whats-new/release-notes/
>>> Unfortunately, the "Read more here" link goes to Amazon AWS, where they 
>>> provide no documentation on using their service with LiveCode.
>>> I tried looking in the LC Dictionary, but searching for "aws" and "s3" 
>>> yield nothing.
>>> Clues?
> 
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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?


Brian Milby wrote:

> My site allow easy access to the dictionary on my iPad (built before I
> saw Dash) - useful when not near a computer.

Thanks.

What's broken with LC's canonical copy of the Dictionary that prevents 
it from rendering well on an iPad?


Can your fix be submitted as a pull request to fix the master?

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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

Brian Milby wrote:

> Docs for the business features are included in the community edition
> as far as I know.

This is more of a question for LC Ltd than you, but if that's the case 
why are the AWS features missing from LC's canonical dictionary?

> The site that I have comes from a stack that exports the files from an
> install into a self-contained directory.  I do need to update it.

Help me understand: what does your copy do that the canonical site 
doesn't do?

I see no serious harm in it, but replicated content fragments audiences, 
thereby fragmenting the time and attention needed to keep docs up to date.

Is there a change we should make in LC's canonical Dictionary 
maintenance process to allow community members to put their time into 
helping to keep it up to date?

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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode

TinyDictionary is a streamlined interface to the dictionary data.
My site allow easy access to the dictionary on my iPad (built before I saw 
Dash) - useful when not near a computer.

Thanks,
Brian
On Oct 21, 2019, 3:11 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> > On 10/21/19 1:11 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Brian Milby wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > > > > Where is this library documented?
> > > >
> > > > I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not
> > > > sure about other editions).
> > >
> > > Thanks, Brian. I use LC mostly on Linux, so although I have an Indy
> > > license and the S3 lib is available in the Indy edition, LC for Linux
> > > hasn't had a functional browser object for years (nor video/audio player
> > > and a few other platform-parity features), and since the docs now
> > > require a browser I have to use the one at the web site, which is
> > > apparently limited to the Community edition language tokens. :(
> > >
> >
> > Try Brian's copy of the dictionary here:
> > https://milby.us/lc/docs/api.html
> >
> > And search for "Amazon" or "Amazon Web Services"
>
> Thanks - it's there. Very helpful, but...
>
> Why does our community have so many dictionaries?
>
> And since that one appears functionally identical to LC's own, why can't
> we just have LC's main canonical content kept up to date?
>
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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode

J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 10/21/19 1:11 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Brian Milby wrote:

 > On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Where is this library documented?
 >
 > I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not
 > sure about other editions).

Thanks, Brian.  I use LC mostly on Linux, so although I have an Indy 
license and the S3 lib is available in the Indy edition, LC for Linux 
hasn't had a functional browser object for years (nor video/audio player 
and a few other platform-parity features), and since the docs now 
require a browser I have to use the one at the web site, which is 
apparently limited to the Community edition language tokens. :(

Try Brian's copy of the dictionary here:
https://milby.us/lc/docs/api.html

And search for "Amazon" or "Amazon Web Services"

Thanks - it's there.  Very helpful, but...

Why does our community have so many dictionaries?

And since that one appears functionally identical to LC's own, why can't 
we just have LC's main canonical content kept up to date?

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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode

TinyDictionary uses the data from the local install.
Docs for the business features are included in the community edition as far as 
I know.
The site that I have comes from a stack that exports the files from an install 
into a self-contained directory.  I do need to update it.

Thanks,
Brian
On Oct 21, 2019, 3:04 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
> > On 10/21/19 11:11 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Brian Milby wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > > > > Where is this library documented?
> > > >
> > > > I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not
> > > > sure about other editions).
> > >
> > > Thanks, Brian. I use LC mostly on Linux, so although I have an Indy
> > > license and the S3 lib is available in the Indy edition, LC for Linux
> > > hasn't had a functional browser object for years (nor video/audio player
> > > and a few other platform-parity features), and since the docs now
> > > require a browser I have to use the one at the web site, which is
> > > apparently limited to the Community edition language tokens. :(
> > >
> >
> > http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/825/TinyDictionary
> >
> > hint: you can set the 4WDevo 'Dictionary' button to invoke
> > tinyDictionary and then always have the proper up-to-date dictionary
> > available.
>
> That 4wDevo sounds very handy! :)
>
> But as for the content in the many dictionaries floating around, do they
> include LC's proprietary Indy and Business content along with the
> GPL-governed content from the Community Edition?
>
> Are the docs in the proprietary editions handled under separate license
> from the rest of the package?
>
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Catalina and Livecode

First I want to give my appreciation for the hard work at  HQ keeping up with 
Apple.

In fact Mark  W. maybe ahead of the game!

As mentioned, I had to upgrade (against my better wishes) to Catalina, because 
Adobe was giving us trouble on Mojave.

Surprising Livecode is working! and every building mobile standalones. Even 
prompted to install new JAVA and build in Android still works.

Any caveats, we should be aware of? I'll be sure not to update xCode….

BR


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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

Mark Wieder wrote:

On 10/21/19 11:11 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Brian Milby wrote:

 > On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Where is this library documented?
 >
 > I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not
 > sure about other editions).

Thanks, Brian.  I use LC mostly on Linux, so although I have an Indy 
license and the S3 lib is available in the Indy edition, LC for Linux 
hasn't had a functional browser object for years (nor video/audio player 
and a few other platform-parity features), and since the docs now 
require a browser I have to use the one at the web site, which is 
apparently limited to the Community edition language tokens. :(

http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/825/TinyDictionary

hint: you can set the 4WDevo 'Dictionary' button to invoke 
tinyDictionary and then always have the proper up-to-date dictionary 
available.

That 4wDevo sounds very handy! :)

But as for the content in the many dictionaries floating around, do they 
include LC's proprietary Indy and Business content along with the 
GPL-governed content from the Community Edition?

Are the docs in the proprietary editions handled under separate license 
from the rest of the package?

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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10


Paul Dupuis wrote:

Add your name to this bug: 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305


Mark Waddigham chimed in at one point that the Windows API returns the 
8px border width under Windows 10 - the 1px visible border and a 7px 
"touch area" is apparently how Microsoft views it, so LC's position is 
that this is sort of an OS vendor issue rather than their.


I disagree of course.


As do I. I've added to that report an argument in favor of correcting 
for this in the engine.


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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:31 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Add your name to this bug:
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305
>
> Mark Waddigham chimed in at one point that the Windows API returns the
> 8px border width under Windows 10 - the 1px visible border and a 7px
> "touch area" is apparently how Microsoft views it, so LC's position is
> that this is sort of an OS vendor issue rather than their.
>
> I disagree of course.
>

I agree with your disagreement. I've added my 2 cents.

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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 10/21/19 1:11 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Brian Milby wrote:

 > On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Where is this library documented?
 >
 > I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not
 > sure about other editions).

Thanks, Brian.  I use LC mostly on Linux, so although I have an Indy 
license and the S3 lib is available in the Indy edition, LC for Linux 
hasn't had a functional browser object for years (nor video/audio player 
and a few other platform-parity features), and since the docs now 
require a browser I have to use the one at the web site, which is 
apparently limited to the Community edition language tokens. :(

Try Brian's copy of the dictionary here:
https://milby.us/lc/docs/api.html

And search for "Amazon" or "Amazon Web Services"

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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 10/21/19 11:11 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Brian Milby wrote:

 > On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Where is this library documented?
 >
 > I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not
 > sure about other editions).

Thanks, Brian.  I use LC mostly on Linux, so although I have an Indy 
license and the S3 lib is available in the Indy edition, LC for Linux 
hasn't had a functional browser object for years (nor video/audio player 
and a few other platform-parity features), and since the docs now 
require a browser I have to use the one at the web site, which is 
apparently limited to the Community edition language tokens. :(

http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/825/TinyDictionary

hint: you can set the 4WDevo 'Dictionary' button to invoke 
tinyDictionary and then always have the proper up-to-date dictionary 
available.

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Re: Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10


On 10/21/2019 2:11 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:

I am looking for input from people who are using `the effective rect of
stack` and the values it reports on Windows. I have some code that uses the
effective rect of a group to determine if the stack is still on the screen
after the user moves the stack or when restoring window positions when an
app relaunches.

On Windows 10 I just noticed that `the effective rect of stack` includes
the drop shadow that appears along the left, bottom, and right of a window
on Windows 10. For my use case including the shadows in the `effective rect
of stack` serves no value. I'm wondering if someone has a use case where it
is helpful to have the drop shadow included in `the effective rect`?

Here is how you can check behavior if you are interested:

EXPECTED RESULT: The effective rect of a stack on Windows would return the
rect of the stack that includes stack borders and title bar.

OBSERVED RESULT: The effective rect includes the drop shadow of the window
in the rect.

RECIPE:
1. Create a new stack
2. Set the topleft of the stack to 0,0
3. `put the effective rect of this stack`. The left of the rect will be a
negative value.
4. `set the effective topleft of this stack to 0,0`. The left of the stack
will be offset by the negative value from (3).


Add your name to this bug: 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16305


Mark Waddigham chimed in at one point that the Windows API returns the 
8px border width under Windows 10 - the 1px visible border and a 7px 
"touch area" is apparently how Microsoft views it, so LC's position is 
that this is sort of an OS vendor issue rather than their.


I disagree of course.



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PDF-Tools

2019-10-21 Thread hh via use-livecode

PDF-Tools_v109 (MERGE/MIX/SPLIT)

Due to deficiencies of the browser widget on win and linux we have the
first time that a JS-library runs in a browser widget on Mac only.
I tried to work around for win and linux without success, sorry.

Download PDF-Tools from SampleStacks or
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/951/

PDF-Tools is a helper (and GUI) to the new javascipt library PDF-lib.js
by Andrew Dillon (see https://github.com/Hopding/pdf-lib MIT-licensed).
The library is already part of the stack (so you can use it offline).

__ Input up to three remote or local URLs.
__ Input ranges or mixtures using the following syntax:
__   MERGE: (x to y step z | ±all | ±even | ±odd ) of pdfN [repeat m] 
__ Takes pages x=start, y=stop, z=step, repeat m from pdf pdfN.
__   SPLIT: (x to y step z | ±all | ±even | ±odd ) [repeat m] > n
__ Takes pages x=start, y=stop, z=step, repeat m from pdf pdfN.
__   MIX: m of pdfN
__ Takes m=num pages from pdf pdfN. Items are repeated cyclically.
__ Optionally do Autosave and/or
__   add MetaData, a header, footer and pageNums to the resulting PDFs.
__ Special Example: Print two-sided (on front and back)
__   using SPLIT with  -odd>1, even>1  as ranges.


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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

Brian Milby wrote:

> On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Where is this library documented?
>
> I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not
> sure about other editions).

Thanks, Brian.  I use LC mostly on Linux, so although I have an Indy 
license and the S3 lib is available in the Indy edition, LC for Linux 
hasn't had a functional browser object for years (nor video/audio player 
and a few other platform-parity features), and since the docs now 
require a browser I have to use the one at the web site, which is 
apparently limited to the Community edition language tokens. :(

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Effective rect of stacks on Windows 10

I am looking for input from people who are using `the effective rect of
stack` and the values it reports on Windows. I have some code that uses the
effective rect of a group to determine if the stack is still on the screen
after the user moves the stack or when restoring window positions when an
app relaunches.

On Windows 10 I just noticed that `the effective rect of stack` includes
the drop shadow that appears along the left, bottom, and right of a window
on Windows 10. For my use case including the shadows in the `effective rect
of stack` serves no value. I'm wondering if someone has a use case where it
is helpful to have the drop shadow included in `the effective rect`?

Here is how you can check behavior if you are interested:

EXPECTED RESULT: The effective rect of a stack on Windows would return the
rect of the stack that includes stack borders and title bar.

OBSERVED RESULT: The effective rect includes the drop shadow of the window
in the rect.

RECIPE:
1. Create a new stack
2. Set the topleft of the stack to 0,0
3. `put the effective rect of this stack`. The left of the rect will be a
negative value.
4. `set the effective topleft of this stack to 0,0`. The left of the stack
will be offset by the negative value from (3).

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Re: Merge PDF

2019-10-21 Thread hh via use-livecode

It is dependant on using JS from LC, by that it is dependant
on a browser widget.

I had it ready yesterday for Mac and tried a full day to work
around the deficiencies of the browser widget on linux and win
but had no success, sorry.

The stack will be published as "PDF-Tools" (Merge/Mix/Split)
in a few minutes.

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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode

I see the commands documented in the dictionary (9.5 Business, not sure about 
other editions).

Thanks,
Brian
On Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Thanks, Martin. That's also very handy, but how did you learn the
> syntax? Where is this library documented?
>
> --
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>
>
> Martin Koob wrote:
> > Hi Richard
> >
> > I have a test stack got most of the commands, functions and messages 
> > uploaded to a bug report.
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22383
> >
> > I have been meaning to clean it up a bit and post it somewhere for users.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Apparently v9 added support for Amazon's S3, but I can't find 
> > > documentation on it.
> > >
> > > I see mention of it in the Release Notes for v9 and later, e.g.:
> > >
> > > Amazon Web Services (AWS) Library
> > > The new Amazon Web Services library includes support for Amazon
> > > Simple Storage Service (S3). You can use S3 to provide cloud
> > > storage for your app. Read more here
> > >
> > > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/whats-new/release-notes/
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, the "Read more here" link goes to Amazon AWS, where they 
> > > provide no documentation on using their service with LiveCode.
> > >
> > > I tried looking in the LC Dictionary, but searching for "aws" and "s3" 
> > > yield nothing.
> > >
> > > Clues?
>
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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

Thanks, Martin.  That's also very handy, but how did you learn the 
syntax?  Where is this library documented?


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Martin Koob wrote:

Hi Richard

I have a test stack got most of the commands, functions and messages uploaded to a bug report. 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22383


I have been meaning to clean it up a bit and post it somewhere for users. 


Martin


On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode  wrote:

Apparently v9 added support for Amazon's S3, but I can't find documentation on 
it.

I see mention of it in the Release Notes for v9 and later, e.g.:

  Amazon Web Services (AWS) Library
  The new Amazon Web Services library includes support for Amazon
  Simple Storage Service (S3). You can use S3 to provide cloud
  storage for your app. Read more here

 https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/whats-new/release-notes/

Unfortunately, the "Read more here" link goes to Amazon AWS, where they provide 
no documentation on using their service with LiveCode.

I tried looking in the LC Dictionary, but searching for "aws" and "s3" yield 
nothing.

Clues?



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Re: AWS S3 support: docs?

2019-10-21 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode

Hi Richard

I have a test stack got most of the commands, functions and messages uploaded 
to a bug report. 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22383

I have been meaning to clean it up a bit and post it somewhere for users. 

Martin


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Apparently v9 added support for Amazon's S3, but I can't find documentation 
> on it.
> 
> I see mention of it in the Release Notes for v9 and later, e.g.:
> 
>   Amazon Web Services (AWS) Library
>   The new Amazon Web Services library includes support for Amazon
>   Simple Storage Service (S3). You can use S3 to provide cloud
>   storage for your app. Read more here
> 
>  https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/whats-new/release-notes/
> 
> Unfortunately, the "Read more here" link goes to Amazon AWS, where they 
> provide no documentation on using their service with LiveCode.
> 
> I tried looking in the LC Dictionary, but searching for "aws" and "s3" yield 
> nothing.
> 
> Clues?
> 
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Re: Merge PDF


doc hawk wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2019, at 12:04 PM, hh wrote:
>> I'll publish this weekend on SampleStacks a pdfLib (split and merge)
>> based on a JS library (via a browser widget). Already 95% are done.
>
> Did it publish?
>
> And will this only be for server?

If it's dependent on a browser widget, LC Server would be the one 
platform least likely to be supported, as browsers run client-side and 
servers very rarely even have any GUI support available.


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AWS S3 support: docs?

Apparently v9 added support for Amazon's S3, but I can't find 
documentation on it.


I see mention of it in the Release Notes for v9 and later, e.g.:

   Amazon Web Services (AWS) Library
   The new Amazon Web Services library includes support for Amazon
   Simple Storage Service (S3). You can use S3 to provide cloud
   storage for your app. Read more here

  https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/whats-new/release-notes/

Unfortunately, the "Read more here" link goes to Amazon AWS, where they 
provide no documentation on using their service with LiveCode.


I tried looking in the LC Dictionary, but searching for "aws" and "s3" 
yield nothing.


Clues?

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Re: Merge PDF

2019-10-21 Thread doc hawk via use-livecode



On Oct 17, 2019, at 12:04 PM, hh via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> I'll publish this weekend on SampleStacks a pdfLib (split and merge)
> based on a JS library (via a browser widget). Already 95% are done.

Did it publish?

And will this only be for server?

Do I sound anxious?

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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 199

2019-10-21 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

Read issue #199 here: http://bit.ly/2MAbVEe

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.



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Re: mnemonic working on Windows in LC 9?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:58 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 10/21/2019 10:49 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> > Does using the mnemonic key to display a menu on Windows work for anybody
> > else in LC 9? I just did the following test and all I hear is a beep:
> >
> ...>
> LC905 stable under WIndows 10 - same here. Pressing ALT shows the
> underlines menu letters in the menubar, but nothing but a beep.
>
> Please let me know the bug number when you file one, as I'd like to
> follow it.


Thanks for testing Paul and Paul. Here is the bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22420

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Re: mnemonic working on Windows in LC 9?


On 10/21/2019 10:49 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:

Does using the mnemonic key to display a menu on Windows work for anybody
else in LC 9? I just did the following test and all I hear is a beep:

1. Launch LC 9 on Windows 10.
2. Press the ALT key. The letter represented by the mnemonic setting of
each menu in the Toolbar is underlined.
3. Press the letter of one of the menus (e.g. "F"). All I hear is a beep
when the File menu should appear.

LC905 stable under WIndows 10 - same here. Pressing ALT shows the 
underlines menu letters in the menubar, but nothing but a beep.


Please let me know the bug number when you file one, as I'd like to 
follow it.


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RE: mnemonic working on Windows in LC 9?

2019-10-21 Thread Paul Richards via use-livecode

I don't get a beep, but can confirm I get the same result as you as in nothing 
happens. 

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Trevor 
DeVore via use-livecode
Sent: 21 October 2019 15:50
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Trevor DeVore 
Subject: mnemonic working on Windows in LC 9?

Does using the mnemonic key to display a menu on Windows work for anybody else 
in LC 9? I just did the following test and all I hear is a beep:

1. Launch LC 9 on Windows 10.
2. Press the ALT key. The letter represented by the mnemonic setting of each 
menu in the Toolbar is underlined.
3. Press the letter of one of the menus (e.g. "F"). All I hear is a beep when 
the File menu should appear.

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mnemonic working on Windows in LC 9?