RE: iOS background behavior

2020-02-26 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I'm not sure, I haven't actually submitted the app yet. I happened to see a 
comment somewhere (stackOverflow maybe?) that said his app was rejected 
because of that key inclusion. Maybe he really only got a warning, and just 
said it was rejected. The error does say the bundle is invalid.


I'll keep the key and see what happens soon when I do submit. It's 
encouraging that yours was accepted recently.


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On February 26, 2020 5:48:24 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Is it a rejection or a warning. I just submitted an app in January and
received a warning and was approved. Are apps now being rejected if the
'UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key is included? What about devices not running
iOS 13. I test on an iPad mini running iOS 12.4.5. If this key is eliminated
then older devices or devices not updated to iOS 13 will shut the app down
when losing focus even if iOS 13 enables background execution by default.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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Subject: iOS background behavior

In iOS 13 I thought all apps run in the background automatically. Mine
isn't, you end up on the login screen every time you switch apps or answer a
phone call.

We used to be able to turn on "enable background execution" in standalone
settings but as I understand it, Apple now rejects apps that use that. How
would I get my app to stop shutting down every time you leave it? Or am I
wrong about the background option in standalone settings?

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RE: iOS background behavior

2020-02-26 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Is it a rejection or a warning. I just submitted an app in January and
received a warning and was approved. Are apps now being rejected if the
'UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key is included? What about devices not running
iOS 13. I test on an iPad mini running iOS 12.4.5. If this key is eliminated
then older devices or devices not updated to iOS 13 will shut the app down
when losing focus even if iOS 13 enables background execution by default.
 
Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

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Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 5:55 PM
To: LiveCode Mailing List
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: iOS background behavior

In iOS 13 I thought all apps run in the background automatically. Mine
isn't, you end up on the login screen every time you switch apps or answer a
phone call.

We used to be able to turn on "enable background execution" in standalone
settings but as I understand it, Apple now rejects apps that use that. How
would I get my app to stop shutting down every time you leave it? Or am I
wrong about the background option in standalone settings?

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Re: iOS background behavior

2020-02-26 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 2/26/20 4:54 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
In iOS 13 I thought all apps run in the background automatically. Mine isn't, you end up on the 
login screen every time you switch apps or answer a phone call.


We used to be able to turn on "enable background execution" in standalone settings but as I 
understand it, Apple now rejects apps that use that. How would I get my app to stop shutting 
down every time you leave it? Or am I wrong about the background option in standalone settings?




Oh, never mind. Just manually removing the key entirely fixes it. I now use a 
custom plist.

So the next question is, when I build for Android do I have to remove the plist from Copy Files 
or will the standalone builder just ignore it when building for Android?


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iOS background behavior

2020-02-26 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
In iOS 13 I thought all apps run in the background automatically. Mine isn't, you end up on the 
login screen every time you switch apps or answer a phone call.


We used to be able to turn on "enable background execution" in standalone settings but as I 
understand it, Apple now rejects apps that use that. How would I get my app to stop shutting 
down every time you leave it? Or am I wrong about the background option in standalone settings?


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Re: Mobile video formats

2020-02-26 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Colin Holgate wrote:


H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file format, ought to work on both.


An excellent choice for non-for-profit work, but for commercial 
use...well..it's complicated:



   The MPEG LA, responsible for administering the patent pool governing
   the AVC/H.264 video codec, said it would not charge royalties for
   video delivered to the Internet without charge.

   The organization previously said that it would not charge royalties
   for free streams through the end of 2015; the new extension allows
   content creators to cut out the H.264 licensing costs from their
   model.

   However, companies that develop products and services that are used
   to encode and decode video, for example, would be forced to still pay
   royalties to the licensing body. MPEG LA's AVC Patent Portfolio
   License covers these devices, as well as AVC video sold to end users
   for a fee on a title or subscription basis and free television video
   services, MPEG LA said.
https://www.pcmag.com/archive/mpeg-la-cuts-royalties-from-free-web-video-forever-254009


   The H.264 Licensing Labyrinth
   ...
   Summary
   In conclusion, the MPEG LA aggregation of a patent bundle into a
   licensing portfolio is an attempt to make the licensing process
   easier for the user or manufacturer of an H.264 encoding or decoding
   system. While the process is not simple to understand, a complaint
   often lodged against the H.264 licensing process by competing codec
   solutions, it is much easier than trying to gather licenses from a
   large number of patent holders. While the process of figuring out
   which areas are applicable might be tricky, the fees themselves are
   easily calculable, with the exception of a few questions we’ve noted
   throughout this document.

   Another key point to remember is that a licensing portfolio can be
   modified at any moment, and the licensing structure is very much a
   "living document" in the sense that patent holders may opt to use
   a different approach or market forces may shift the terms of the
   licensing to meet economic or growth realities. As none of these
   participation fees for "free" television and internet delivery have
   been adjudicated, over time there may be a shift in licensing
   structures as someone may challenge the current structure of the dual
   royalty charges or even on the more nebulous definition of the
   "broadcast market" term. It is the responsibility of MPEG LA (and
   its patent holder pool) to better define several of these areas,
   especially when other codec options exist.

   In the meantime, two things will continue to occur. First,
   proprietary codec manufacturers will continue to market the fact that
   they charge no decoding license fee. Ignoring the fact that they do
   charge an encoding license fee that may or may not be equal to the
   total fee charged for encoding and decoding of H.264, the "no
   decoding license fee" marketing strategy has struck a chord that MPEG
   LA and its patent partners might need to further address.
https://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Featured-Articles/The-H.264-Licensing-Labyrinth-65403.aspx?pageNum=4


Unfortunately I couldn't find anything newer than those and articles 
like them, and since the MPEG-LA consortium reserves the rights to 
modify its licensing terms at any time they may have changed.  Or not. 
Or in a different direction.  I'd be happy to read anything newer if 
anyone has a URL and the situation has changed.


Proprietary codecs are complicated, and h.264 licensing is among the 
most complex we've seen yet.


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Re: Mobile video formats

2020-02-26 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 2/26/20 1:28 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file format, ought to work on both.


Thanks, exactly what I needed to know.

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Re: Mobile video formats

2020-02-26 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file format, ought to work on both.

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Re: Where is LiveCode

2020-02-26 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Lagi wrote:


I for one WOULD expect livecode be there - XOJO is and so is Unity.

XOJO gives away a free desktop version while they are a student _ i think
if LC gave away a free Community version (so that student CAN submit to the
store) that would be good.

XOJO with a smaller team and a CEO who can't program seems to  doing a much
better Job of "selling" themselves (in more ways than one) and being
pro-active

Their  marketing / evangelist Paul Leberve does what "marketing" at LC
should be doing

Here is the top line of his linked in 
Developer Evangelist

As the Xojo Developer Evangelist, I am responsible for many things that
relate to educating prospective and existing customers about the best ways
to get the most out of Xojo. In particular, I will be focusing on
documentation, tutorials, example projects, webinars, blogging, training
and social web coverage.

He also runs his own company and writes software (eating His own Dog Food
in  Microsoft parlance) - so they have a Marketing Social Media ,
Documentation , Blogging and more importantly someone who codes examples
(where are our 100 widgets?)




LiveCode Ltd, if you're listening, I can be talked into it for a very 
modest stipend...


Marketing is about visibility. If we have to ask about the marketing 
plan, whatever plan there is could evidently use a hand.


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Re: Cannot identify the Menubar button clicked under Mac OS

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 2/26/20 3:43 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Mark,

If you have Screensteps credentials for the lessons area you could use them to 
login to the web service where you can edit the lessons, approve and reply to 
comments.


Thanks. Interesting - I had tried that before and couldn't delete spam 
comments, but now it's working. Must have hit it on a bad day.


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Mobile video formats

2020-02-26 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

What's the best video format for streaming cross-platform on iOS and Android?

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Re: Where is LiveCode

2020-02-26 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi

Hi Richmond, Richard

This isn't about open source but developer tools  - just Developer Tools
otherwise Python would be in there (I didn't see it)

I wrote the following before Richard responded but got sidetracked .

--

I for one WOULD expect livecode be there - XOJO is and so is Unity.

XOJO gives away a free desktop version while they are a student _ i think
if LC gave away a free Community version (so that student CAN submit to the
store) that would be good.

XOJO with a smaller team and a CEO who can't program seems to  doing a much
better Job of "selling" themselves (in more ways than one) and being
pro-active

Their  marketing / evangelist Paul Leberve does what "marketing" at LC
should be doing

Here is the top line of his linked in 
Developer Evangelist

As the Xojo Developer Evangelist, I am responsible for many things that
relate to educating prospective and existing customers about the best ways
to get the most out of Xojo. In particular, I will be focusing on
documentation, tutorials, example projects, webinars, blogging, training
and social web coverage.

He also runs his own company and writes software (eating His own Dog Food
in  Microsoft parlance) - so they have a Marketing Social Media ,
Documentation , Blogging and more importantly someone who codes examples
(where are our 100 widgets?)



Lagi

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 16:42, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Richmond wrote:
>
>  > Antti wrote:
>  >> https://education.github.com/pack
>  >
>  > I have just had a look at that webpage and wonder why you are asking
>  > that question.
>  >
>  > That page states this:
>  >
>  > "That's why we created the GitHub Student Developer Pack with some of
>  > our partners and friends: to give students free access to the best
>  > developer tools in one place so they can learn by doing."
>  >
>  > So, I, for one would not expect a link to LiveCode to be there.
>  >
>  > I would expect links to LiveCode's "partners and friends," which is
>  > exactly what you find there.
>
> Which ones there have a relationship with LiveCode?
>
> It's an odd list if it's supposed to be for open source in education.
> DataDog, Netwise, Luminati, Netlicensing and others there are clearly
> enterprise tools.  Excellent, but not the sort of things high-schoolers
> are likely to use.  Heck, if they're going to go there why not toss
> Kubernetes onto the list? :)  And I have no idea how Xojo is on a Github
> list at all, since AFAIK nothing in their lineup is open source.
>
>
>  > Here's a link to LiveCode: https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>  >
>  > I would recommend version 9.5.1 Community Stable to get started with.
>
> Seconded.
>
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Re: Where is LiveCode

2020-02-26 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Richmond wrote:

> Antti wrote:
>> https://education.github.com/pack
>
> I have just had a look at that webpage and wonder why you are asking
> that question.
>
> That page states this:
>
> "That's why we created the GitHub Student Developer Pack with some of
> our partners and friends: to give students free access to the best
> developer tools in one place so they can learn by doing."
>
> So, I, for one would not expect a link to LiveCode to be there.
>
> I would expect links to LiveCode's "partners and friends," which is
> exactly what you find there.

Which ones there have a relationship with LiveCode?

It's an odd list if it's supposed to be for open source in education. 
DataDog, Netwise, Luminati, Netlicensing and others there are clearly 
enterprise tools.  Excellent, but not the sort of things high-schoolers 
are likely to use.  Heck, if they're going to go there why not toss 
Kubernetes onto the list? :)  And I have no idea how Xojo is on a Github 
list at all, since AFAIK nothing in their lineup is open source.



> Here's a link to LiveCode: https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
> I would recommend version 9.5.1 Community Stable to get started with.

Seconded.

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Re: Where is LiveCode

2020-02-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I have just had a look at that webpage and wonder why you are asking 
that question.


That page states this:

"That's why we created the GitHub Student Developer Pack with some of 
our partners and friends: to give students free access to the best 
developer tools in one place so they can learn by doing."


So, I, for one would not expect a link to LiveCode to be there.

I would expect links to LiveCode's "partners and friends," which is 
exactly what you find there.


Here's a link to LiveCode: https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

I would recommend version 9.5.1 Community Stable to get started with.

Richmond Mathewson.

On 26.02.20 10:10, Antti Ilola via use-livecode wrote:

https://education.github.com/pack

Antti
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Re: Cannot identify the Menubar button clicked under Mac OS

2020-02-26 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Mark,

If you have Screensteps credentials for the lessons area you could use them to 
login to the web service where you can edit the lessons, approve and reply to 
comments.

Matthias


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Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 26.02.2020 um 04:49 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 2/25/20 10:48 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> Are the Lessons also at Github?  Would be nice if someone here has a moment 
>> to update that.
> 
> Lessons unfortunately are not on github. They're editable only through 
> ScreenSteps, which doesn't have a linux option. I can no longer even reply 
> when comments are posted.
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Re: Cannot identify the Menubar button clicked under Mac OS

2020-02-26 Thread Tore Nilsen via use-livecode
I have submitted a comment to this now. 

Best regards

Tore Nilsen

> 26. feb. 2020 kl. 11:15 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> If this is a screensteps lesson in our portal, please leave a comment on it. 
> We review all comments and action them where necessary.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Feb 2020, at 18:48, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Tore Nilsen wrote:
>>> The problem here is that when a group is set to behave as a menubar on
>>> MacOS, the target becomes the group and not any of the individual
>>> buttons. Therefore the script as it is written in the tutorial will
>>> not work, since the update of the menu will only happen if the short
>>> name of the target is «window». It will work if you remove the
>>> encapsulating if-statement.
>> 
>> Agreed: the engine behavior is fine, the Lesson script is written in a way 
>> I've never seen anyone attempt, and will fail.
>> 
>> Are the Lessons also at Github?  Would be nice if someone here has a moment 
>> to update that.
>> 
>> We should also consider adding a menu update example in the User Guide. Most 
>> of the Guide's discussion in "Programming Menus and Menu Bars" is pretty 
>> good, and there's even a useful example of handling menuPick, but no example 
>> for updating via mouseDown.
>> 
>> 
>>> Removing the if-statement will update the content of the «Window» menu
>>> regardless of which menu you choose, provided that the script is
>>> placed in the group script. This way the user may well choose another
>>> menu initially, slide to the «Window» menu and be presented with an
>>> updated menu. So, while this may be a bug, the way around it is to
>>> write less code. If only all problems could be solved this way.
>> 
>> Definitely not a bug, at least as far as original intent. Dr. Raney was 
>> quite clear when I discussed this with him some 20 years ago that he had no 
>> intention of jumping through the hoops that would be needed to try to treat 
>> the OS menu bar as a collection of LiveCode buttons.
>> 
>> A quick change to that one Lesson resolves the issue; extra bonus points if 
>> we add that to the User Guide as well.
>> 
>> Yes, if only everything else was this easy. I'd love to submit a pull 
>> request to a Lesson to make it possible to play video on Linux from within 
>> LC. :)
>> 
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Re: Cannot identify the Menubar button clicked under Mac OS

2020-02-26 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
If this is a screensteps lesson in our portal, please leave a comment on it. We 
review all comments and action them where necessary.

Regards,

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> On 25 Feb 2020, at 18:48, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tore Nilsen wrote:
> > The problem here is that when a group is set to behave as a menubar on
> > MacOS, the target becomes the group and not any of the individual
> > buttons. Therefore the script as it is written in the tutorial will
> > not work, since the update of the menu will only happen if the short
> > name of the target is «window». It will work if you remove the
> > encapsulating if-statement.
> 
> Agreed: the engine behavior is fine, the Lesson script is written in a way 
> I've never seen anyone attempt, and will fail.
> 
> Are the Lessons also at Github?  Would be nice if someone here has a moment 
> to update that.
> 
> We should also consider adding a menu update example in the User Guide. Most 
> of the Guide's discussion in "Programming Menus and Menu Bars" is pretty 
> good, and there's even a useful example of handling menuPick, but no example 
> for updating via mouseDown.
> 
> 
> > Removing the if-statement will update the content of the «Window» menu
> > regardless of which menu you choose, provided that the script is
> > placed in the group script. This way the user may well choose another
> > menu initially, slide to the «Window» menu and be presented with an
> > updated menu. So, while this may be a bug, the way around it is to
> > write less code. If only all problems could be solved this way.
> 
> Definitely not a bug, at least as far as original intent. Dr. Raney was quite 
> clear when I discussed this with him some 20 years ago that he had no 
> intention of jumping through the hoops that would be needed to try to treat 
> the OS menu bar as a collection of LiveCode buttons.
> 
> A quick change to that one Lesson resolves the issue; extra bonus points if 
> we add that to the User Guide as well.
> 
> Yes, if only everything else was this easy. I'd love to submit a pull request 
> to a Lesson to make it possible to play video on Linux from within LC. :)
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Where is LiveCode

2020-02-26 Thread Antti Ilola via use-livecode
https://education.github.com/pack

Antti
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