Re: Apple Transporter for iOS uploads?

2020-07-02 Thread Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode


> Le 3 juil. 2020 à 01:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  a écrit :
> 
> On 7/2/20 3:58 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>> My iOS deployment issues seem endless. It is dispiriting.
> 


I uploaded an update with Transporter last night without problem.

But you can still use the older Application loader (if you have an older Xcode).


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Re: Apple Transporter for iOS uploads?

2020-07-02 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 7/2/20 3:58 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

My iOS deployment issues seem endless. It is dispiriting.


I try to avoid iOS apps for the same reason. Unfortunately client demand means I have to go 
there. We have just completed a grueling review process that required changing some of the 
silliest things to meet their (unreasonable, in my view) requirements. For example, we were 
rejected for sending the user to Safari to fill out a web-based tech support form; we had to 
change it to use an in-app browser.


It took us 3 weeks and a series of updates to get acceptance. The identical Android app was 
accepted in 20 minutes without any issues. Same feature set, same code.


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Re: Animation Engine: speed tips

2020-07-02 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
Here is a short video of a really nice ball animation of the Earth’s Carbon 
Cycle - which is the sort of thing I’d like to make a series of animations / 
interactive simulations about. There a re a few more than 30-40 moving balls 
here - but they are more or less dots….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwVsD9CiokY

I wonder how many particles can be animated like this in Livecode...
On 2 Jul 2020, 20:53 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
> That's inspired me :)
>
> I think it may be possible to do what I want in Livecode - which would be 
> great. Thanks Alex and Bernd :)
>
> > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 20:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On 01/07/2020 02:52, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > > > Did you use acceleratedRendering? Set it to true and set the layermode
> > > > of each moving object to dynamic. I'd be curious to see if there's a
> > > > difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Hadn't  tried those until now. There is a difference - but not the kind
> > > I'd hoped for :-)
> > >
> > > Full script is below with detailed time, but the summary is:
> > > - acceleratedRendering made things much worse (50% to 90% slower)
> > > - dynamic layerMode made things a little bit better (5% to 15%).
> > >
> > > If the circle was moving over a plain background, improvement was only
> > > 5%-ish, while if moving over multiple other shapes, it gave a better
> > > improvement.
> > >
> > > Here's the full snippet of the script involved (other cases obvious :-)
> > >
> > > >   set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to false
> > > >    set the layermode of grc "g1" to "static"
> > > >
> > > >    repeat 3 times
> > > >   put 100,400 into tmp
> > > >   put the millisecs into tim1
> > > >   repeat 100 times
> > > >  add 1 to item 1 of tmp
> > > >  set the loc of grc "g1" to tmp
> > > >  wait 0 with messages
> > > >   end repeat
> > > >   put the acceleratedRendering of this stack && \
> > > >     the layermode of grc "g1" \
> > > >     && the millisecs-tim1  after gLog
> > > >    end repeat
> > > >    put CR after gLog
> > >
> > > Here are the times for each of the cases, moving 100 times
> > >
> > > false static 192
> > > false static 154
> > > false static 155
> > >
> > > true static 285
> > > true static 332
> > > true static 249
> > >
> > > true dynamic 265
> > > true dynamic 255
> > > true dynamic 309
> > >
> > > false dynamic 131
> > > false dynamic 134
> > > false dynamic 149
> > >
> > > Alex.
> > >
> > >
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Thank you Matthias it looks so cool.

I'm going to check it out.

    > I would say creating a website just with Livecode Server is too 
much work.


I know, but as you say in your signature: Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

Hery


On 7/2/20 5:19 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Some of our customers are using Wordpress and some have websitet that were created the 
"normal" way by hand or with tools like Dreamweaver or Rapidweaver.
But they are also using Livecode server on their sites for special tasks, e.g. 
webform processing, generating and providing downloads, double-opt-in routines 
for newsletter subscriptions and other tasks.

I would say creating a website just with Livecode Server is too much work.

But there is a framework from Ralph Bitter available called RevIgniter which 
is, according to comments of some users, a great tool and a timesaver.
https://revigniter.com

Unfortunately i had no time so far to play around with it, but i will as soon 
as time allows.

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Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
:

Dear LiveCode experts:

I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with LiveCode 
Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites are created 
with LiveCode server.

I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689

Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?

I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
Do you know why?
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Hi Richard,

Thank you very much for your rapid response.

My customer asks me about a popular site created with Livecode because 
they would like to make sure that if I get hit by a car, or we have a 
problem, another company could maintain their website. I mean, they 
would like to be sure of their business continuum.  I know, it is always 
the same story ...


I have been making websites for twenty years and I want to do something 
different. I have never made a website with Livecode and I feel excited 
thinking about it.


I feel very comfortable with Livecode and I don't want to start a 
customized web site using PHP or Python again.
Sometimes it is not enough to do a good job, it is also important to 
have some fun doing it.
Livecode allows me to think in a different way than I have using other 
programming languages, and that is like a drug that I can no longer stop.


    > What is a "modern" website?  That's not a trick question, just 
curious what specific types of features you're looking for.


A fully responsible website.

    > Because it gets the job done at low cost

I understand it, but if we all don't start creating more things with 
Livecode, it will always be an exotic language without many job 
opportunities.
More job opportunities will give us more community, more programming 
libraries, more documentation, etc.


    > In general, it's only worthwhile building custom software that 
doesn't already exist.


Maybe we can rebuild those software using LiveCode.

    > LC can be a good choice when you have specialized needs not 
already addressed off-the-shelf.


We use it into our company for that: internal apps.

But I think that Livecode could give people again, the full control of 
their computer, and the gap between a programmer and a computer user 
would get narrower. Something like that happened in the 1980s.


I have my own company in Spain, but I moved to NYC 2 years ago and I 
work as an IT director at an arts school in New York City.
In our coding classes I see those teens dealing with Python and with the 
command console...


It will be a dream for them to use livecode, but teachers refuse to use 
it because they told me it is not very spread.


Hery


On 7/2/20 4:09 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Heriberto Torrado wrote:

> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with  LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other
> popular sites are created with LiveCode server.

If you're dealing with the sort who goes only by popularity, nothing 
else matters.  They live in a world where there are only two choices: 
C for the desktop and PHP for servers.


It may be worth noting, though, that if they'd been consistent about 
their fixation on popularity they'd still be using Perl, and would 
have ignored the advent of PHP. ;)


And they never would have enjoyed Ruby on Rails, but even at its peak 
it was never the most popular solution.


> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode

What is a "modern" web site?  That's not a trick question, just 
curious what specific types of features you're looking for.



> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?

Because it gets the job done at low cost.

LC Ltd has generic needs for content management, no evident content 
strategy in terms of syndication, simple editorial workflow with 
minimal roles - for generic stuff generic tools are great.


With the question of build or buy, it's almost always cheaper to buy. 
And with WP the hard cost is zero, so it's just learning curve.


In general, it's only worthwhile building custom software that doesn't 
already exist.


LC can be a good choice when you have specialized needs not already 
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Some of our customers are using Wordpress and some have websitet that were 
created the "normal" way by hand or with tools like Dreamweaver or Rapidweaver.
But they are also using Livecode server on their sites for special tasks, e.g. 
webform processing, generating and providing downloads, double-opt-in routines 
for newsletter subscriptions and other tasks.

I would say creating a website just with Livecode Server is too much work.

But there is a framework from Ralph Bitter available called RevIgniter which 
is, according to comments of some users, a great tool and a timesaver.
https://revigniter.com

Unfortunately i had no time so far to play around with it, but i will as soon 
as time allows.

-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear LiveCode experts:
> 
> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with LiveCode 
> Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites are created 
> with LiveCode server.
> 
> I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> 
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> 
> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> 
> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?
> -- 
> 
> Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> 
> Heriberto Torrado
> ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> ​Director de informática
> Directeur informatique
> 
> *NetDreams S.C.*
> http://www.networkdreams.net
> 
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> 
> *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
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> España
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Re: Apple Transporter for iOS uploads?

2020-07-02 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Thanks Jacque - I think I’ve still only got one Apple ID for everything. In the 
end Transporter timed out rather than rejecting my password. I tried it several 
times with the same result. I can still log on to my developer account. I have 
asked Apple and hopefully they will reply.

I will report any progress. My iOS deployment issues seem endless. It is 
dispiriting.

Graham

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 22:49, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 7/1/20 3:15 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>> Anyone having any trouble with  this app? I downloaded it and signed in with 
>> my Apple ID, but then it got stuck displaying “signing in” with a rotatiing 
>> progress indicator. The ‘Force Quit’ system doesn’t report it as ’not 
>> responding’, but it doesn’t seem to be responding to me!
>> iMac running Catalina 10.15.5.
> 
> I uploaded using Transporter a few days ago without any trouble. Did you use 
> the same Apple ID as the one in your developer account? That's the only thing 
> I can think of.
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Re: Apple Transporter for iOS uploads?

2020-07-02 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 7/1/20 3:15 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Anyone having any trouble with  this app? I downloaded it and signed in with my 
Apple ID, but then it got stuck displaying “signing in” with a rotatiing 
progress indicator. The ‘Force Quit’ system doesn’t report it as ’not 
responding’, but it doesn’t seem to be responding to me!

iMac running Catalina 10.15.5.


I uploaded using Transporter a few days ago without any trouble. Did you use the same Apple ID 
as the one in your developer account? That's the only thing I can think of.


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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Heriberto Torrado wrote:

> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with  LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other
> popular sites are created with LiveCode server.

If you're dealing with the sort who goes only by popularity, nothing 
else matters.  They live in a world where there are only two choices: C 
for the desktop and PHP for servers.


It may be worth noting, though, that if they'd been consistent about 
their fixation on popularity they'd still be using Perl, and would have 
ignored the advent of PHP. ;)


And they never would have enjoyed Ruby on Rails, but even at its peak it 
was never the most popular solution.


> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode

What is a "modern" web site?  That's not a trick question, just curious 
what specific types of features you're looking for.



> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?

Because it gets the job done at low cost.

LC Ltd has generic needs for content management, no evident content 
strategy in terms of syndication, simple editorial workflow with minimal 
roles - for generic stuff generic tools are great.


With the question of build or buy, it's almost always cheaper to buy. 
And with WP the hard cost is zero, so it's just learning curve.


In general, it's only worthwhile building custom software that doesn't 
already exist.


LC can be a good choice when you have specialized needs not already 
addressed off-the-shelf.


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Re: Animation Engine: speed tips

2020-07-02 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
That's inspired me :)

I think it may be possible to do what I want in Livecode - which would be
great. Thanks Alex and Bernd :)

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 20:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> On 01/07/2020 02:52, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > Did you use acceleratedRendering? Set it to true and set the layermode
> > of each moving object to dynamic. I'd be curious to see if there's a
> > difference.
> >
> >
> Hadn't  tried those until now. There is a difference - but not the kind
> I'd hoped for :-)
>
> Full script is below with detailed time, but the summary is:
> - acceleratedRendering made things much worse (50% to 90% slower)
> - dynamic layerMode made things a little bit better (5% to 15%).
>
> If the circle was moving over a plain background, improvement was only
> 5%-ish, while if moving over multiple other shapes, it gave a better
> improvement.
>
> Here's the full snippet of the script involved (other cases obvious :-)
>
> >   set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to false
> >set the layermode of grc "g1" to "static"
> >
> >repeat 3 times
> >   put 100,400 into tmp
> >   put the millisecs into tim1
> >   repeat 100 times
> >  add 1 to item 1 of tmp
> >  set the loc of grc "g1" to tmp
> >  wait 0 with messages
> >   end repeat
> >   put the acceleratedRendering of this stack && \
> > the layermode of grc "g1" \
> > && the millisecs-tim1  after gLog
> >end repeat
> >put CR after gLog
>
> Here are the times for each of the cases, moving 100 times
>
> false static 192
> false static 154
> false static 155
>
> true static 285
> true static 332
> true static 249
>
> true dynamic 265
> true dynamic 255
> true dynamic 309
>
> false dynamic 131
> false dynamic 134
> false dynamic 149
>
> Alex.
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WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Dear LiveCode experts:

I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with 
LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular 
sites are created with LiveCode server.


I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689

Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?

I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
Do you know why?
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Directeur informatique

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http://www.networkdreams.net

 Address / Dirección / Adresse:​

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Re: Animation Engine: speed tips

2020-07-02 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode


On 01/07/2020 02:52, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Did you use acceleratedRendering? Set it to true and set the layermode 
of each moving object to dynamic. I'd be curious to see if there's a 
difference.



Hadn't  tried those until now. There is a difference - but not the kind 
I'd hoped for :-)


Full script is below with detailed time, but the summary is:
- acceleratedRendering made things much worse (50% to 90% slower)
- dynamic layerMode made things a little bit better (5% to 15%).

If the circle was moving over a plain background, improvement was only 
5%-ish, while if moving over multiple other shapes, it gave a better 
improvement.


Here's the full snippet of the script involved (other cases obvious :-)


  set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to false
   set the layermode of grc "g1" to "static"

   repeat 3 times
  put 100,400 into tmp
  put the millisecs into tim1
  repeat 100 times
 add 1 to item 1 of tmp
 set the loc of grc "g1" to tmp
 wait 0 with messages
  end repeat
  put the acceleratedRendering of this stack && \
    the layermode of grc "g1" \
    && the millisecs-tim1  after gLog
   end repeat
   put CR after gLog


Here are the times for each of the cases, moving 100 times

false static 192
false static 154
false static 155

true static 285
true static 332
true static 249

true dynamic 265
true dynamic 255
true dynamic 309

false dynamic 131
false dynamic 134
false dynamic 149

Alex.


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Re: Animation Engine: speed tips

2020-07-02 Thread Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode
Thank you Mark,

Glad you enjoyed it.

If you feel like it you could set the markerPoints of graphic gSand to a ball, 
still running at 22 frames/sec with 500 of them, filled. 

--
0,-13
3,-13
6,-12
8,-11
10,-9
12,-6
13,-3
13,0
13,3
12,6
10,9
8,11
6,12
3,13
0,13
-3,13
-6,12
-8,11
-10,9
-12,6
-13,3
-13,0
-13,-3
-12,-6
-10,-9
-8,-11
-6,-12
-3,-13
0,-13
-

Kind regards
Bernd

> Mark Talluto via use-livecode Wed, 01 Jul 2020 20:55:00 -0700
> 
> This is completely awesome!  Thank you Bernd.
> 
> -Mark Talluto
> Canela Software
> 
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:27 AM Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > While not exactly what David asked for but on the topic  of animating
> > multiple objects with acceptable speed:
> >
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=11726=sand#p56253



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