Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
hypothetical and rhetorical:

what would be the difference between

the owner of the owner of the owner of the owner of me

and

the owner of the owner of the owner of this group

?

halfpennies worth: 'this group' gives no greater benefit and does not fit
in with the current use of 'this card' and 'this stack' which get
referred to as 'this' because multiple stacks and cards that are visible or
invisible might receive a massage. Targets are better at referencing groups
and pinpointing which have become active. not that my opinion matters a jot
on this forum
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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

I see how it could work if a child control referenced "this group" but what 
should happen if:

You type "the name of this group" into the message box?
The child control is in a nested group?

On 9/14/20 1:18 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

I can see why the mother ship does not like synonyms. In this case I think
it would be advantageous for new users if "this" was extended so that "this
group" was the same as "the owner of the target". I found myself digging
around until I found "the owner of the target" in the beginning. Not all
synonyms are the devil incarnate. In this case there would be no backwards
compatibility issues?

2 cents...

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IT Director
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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

2020-09-14 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
The problem with the installers is that the LC binaries are linked with
specific versions of the shared libraries in the system. If you have a
different version, or the library has a different name in that system, then
there is a chance that LC will not run correctly (and by not run I mean not
run at all). For example, here in our server, LC is linked against:

$ ldd livecode-community-server
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7ffcee51b000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x7f617d849000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
(0x7f617d62a000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6
(0x7f617d376000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1
(0x7f617d131000)
librt.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0x7f617cf29000)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
(0x7f617cba)
libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x7f617c802000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x7f617c5ea000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x7f617c1f9000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f617da4d000)
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16
(0x7f617bfc7000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x7f617bdaa000)
libexpat.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexpat.so.1 (0x7f617bb78000)

Of course the engine for the IDE and desktop apps (alongside the externals)
links with more libraries than what is shown here. What having real .deb
and .rpm would allow on Linux is to get the correct library versions
installed at the same time as the LC installation is running because the
package manager would know which dependencies were needed for LC to work.
Right now, if something fails on Linux, you need to be savvy enough to
check libraries and then install the correct ones. Another solution for
that would be to generate AppImages which are quite similar to Application
Bundles from macOS in the sense that they are a package of files disguised
as a single file and contains everything an app needs to run. In the case
of Linux appimages they'll even contain the shared libraries inside them
which makes them quite large but easier to run.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 20:07, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is a good point.
> The same could be said for the Apple store, the Windows store and the
> Ubuntu thing.
>
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 9:54 pm Mark Wieder via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > > Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better
> > > than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> > > and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.
> >
> > Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into
> > the various repositories and thus get more exposure.
> >
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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Ji Ralph,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 20:18 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I can see why the mother ship does not like synonyms. In this case I think
> it would be advantageous for new users if "this" was extended so that "this
> group" was the same as "the owner of the target". I found myself digging
> around until I found "the owner of the target" in the beginning. Not all
> synonyms are the devil incarnate. In this case there would be no backwards
> compatibility issues?

of course not, simply because this does not work currently! :-)

> 2 cents...
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

Best

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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

2020-09-14 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
That is a good point.
The same could be said for the Apple store, the Windows store and the
Ubuntu thing.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 9:54 pm Mark Wieder via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better
> > than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> > and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.
>
> Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into
> the various repositories and thus get more exposure.
>
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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

2020-09-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better 
than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,

and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.


Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into 
the various repositories and thus get more exposure.


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RE: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
I can see why the mother ship does not like synonyms. In this case I think
it would be advantageous for new users if "this" was extended so that "this
group" was the same as "the owner of the target". I found myself digging
around until I found "the owner of the target" in the beginning. Not all
synonyms are the devil incarnate. In this case there would be no backwards
compatibility issues?

2 cents...

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

2020-09-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Because, in spite of what LiveCode will tell you, the Linux side of 
things is marginal and minimal, and
while a .deb might be alright for Debian and its derivatives, it is not 
going to be alright for other types

of Linux: "too much work for too little return": I can see it coming.

Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better 
than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,

and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.

On 14.09.20 18:46, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 9/13/20 7:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
  I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why 
isn't it in a repo?


any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line 
interface set of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR 
SIMILAR please tell me On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 
PM EDT,  wrote:


It's been a topic of discussion for years, i.e.,

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20=29266

as to the "why not" of this, I don't have an answer. Building a .deb 
package isn't a huge task and would make uninstalling *much* easier 
than the current kludge.


(as an aside, note that gksudo has been deprecated for some time now 
in favor of pkexec, and is no longer included in most modern distros. 
But no doubt you meant "sudo" anyway.)





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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi Mark,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 17:49 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 9/14/20 8:35 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> thank your for your encouraging words! :-D
> 
> LOL. Well, having been down that rabbit hole before, I just thought I'd 
> mention it.

yes, and as I said I thank you for this, but it is always worth a try. ;-)

> -- 
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> ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 9/14/20 8:35 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:


thank your for your encouraging words! :-D


LOL. Well, having been down that rabbit hole before, I just thought I'd 
mention it.


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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

2020-09-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 9/13/20 7:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:

  I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why isn't it in 
a repo?

any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line interface set of 
commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR SIMILAR please tell me On 
Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 PM EDT, 
 wrote:


It's been a topic of discussion for years, i.e.,

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20=29266

as to the "why not" of this, I don't have an answer. Building a .deb 
package isn't a huge task and would make uninstalling *much* easier than 
the current kludge.


(as an aside, note that gksudo has been deprecated for some time now in 
favor of pkexec, and is no longer included in most modern distros. But 
no doubt you meant "sudo" anyway.)


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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi Mark,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 17:33 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 9/14/20 2:00 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
>> ... of THIS GROUP
>> 
>> Would be a helpful addition.
>> Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.
> 
> But as you point out "of the owner of me" already does the trick, and since 
> Mr. Waddingham is allergic to synonyms, there's no chance this will ever get 
> implemented.

thank your for your encouraging words! :-D

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 9/14/20 2:00 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi friends,

I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
... of THIS GROUP

Would be a helpful addition.

Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.


But as you point out "of the owner of me" already does the trick, and 
since Mr. Waddingham is allergic to synonyms, there's no chance this 
will ever get implemented.


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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 238

2020-09-14 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

Read issue #238 here: https://bit.ly/3iy24MW

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to your e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

2020-09-14 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode

On 9/13/2020 10:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:

  I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why isn't it in 
a repo?

any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line interface set 
of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR SIMILAR please tell me


It probably isn't in a 'repo' because I, like probably a number of other 
people on this list who use LiveCode a lot, have no idea what 'gksudo 
aptitude livecode' is other than probably some Linux commands.


I'd much rather download and run the installer than need to learn some 
more esoteric commands to install the software.


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Re: Issue with dropbox

2020-09-14 Thread Charles Lachat via use-livecode
Hi,

Everything works fine now.

Thanks a lot.

Ch. Lachat


> Le 11 sept. 2020 à 09:52, Jimmieson, Phil via use-livecode 
>  a écrit :
> 
> Hi Charles,
> if this is on a Mac, it’s a security feature - apps cannot access folders 
> outside of their own bundle unless the user explicitly grants permission. If 
> you add an "answer folder”  command to your program, and ask the user to 
> select folder B, then your app will be granted access to it and everything 
> will work as it should.
> 
> Downloaded apps (even if you download them in a zip file) are flagged as 
> being insecure and are not allowed to access your Mac’s filesystem.
> 
> I had this problem with an app of mine. An alternative approach I took there 
> was to put folders of required supporting files into the app’s own bundle - 
> using the standalone builder’s copy files tab. Apps are allowed to access 
> files in their own bundle (but should not change them if your app is 
> digitally signed).
> 
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> 
> On 10 Sep 2020, at 23:33, Charles Lachat via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> A friend has accepted to test my new desktop app. I upload the app to dropbox 
> and send a link, by e-mail, to my friend.
> 
> My app is in a folder "A" containing :
> 
> ** the app
> ** a folder "B" containing several text files the app needs
> 
> The folder "A" is zipped before uploading.
> 
> After downloading (friend side) and unzipping, all the files are there but 
> the app behaves as if there were no folder "B".
> 
> Most of the time.
> 
> What am I doing wrong ? Any idee ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi Matthias,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 14:10 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> But which group shall be "this group" if there are nested groups and a script 
> in a button, which is in a "sub" group,  uses "this group"?

well, this would of course mean -> the owner of the target
The "sub" group in your example. Would not make sense otherwise.

> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 14.09.2020 um 11:00 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
>> ... of THIS GROUP
>> 
>> Would be a helpful addition.
>> 
>> Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.

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Re: THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
But which group shall be "this group" if there are nested groups and a script 
in a button, which is in a "sub" group,  uses "this group"?




-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 14.09.2020 um 11:00 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
> ... of THIS GROUP
> 
> Would be a helpful addition.
> 
> Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
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> kl...@major-k.de
> 
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THIS group

2020-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi friends,

I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
... of THIS GROUP

Would be a helpful addition.

Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.


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