Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 2021-09-09 00:37, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 2021-09-08 01:33, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: But put [1, 2, 3 ] into tVar2 isn't clear to me. If it was in Python it would be a list - but LC doesn't have 'lists'. Is it equivalent to    put true into tVar2[1]    put

Re: Send a table in an email.

Hi Sean, Why don’t you just email them a spreadsheet or a .csv file, let them open it. and they can copy and paste whatever they want into their own spreadsheet? Rick > On Sep 8, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi Rick > > Because, as stated before, you can’t

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

> Matthias wrote: > > 'ein paar' means two or three or somewhere in the range. Ich kann Deutsch. Aber nur ein paar Wörter. Jim Lambert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and

Re: Send a table in an email.

Hi Rick Because, as stated before, you can’t select the text and paste it into a spreadsheet. Thanks though. Sean > On 8 Sep 2021, at 23:19, Rick Harrison via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi Sean, > > If you just want to show the table in an email why not just send > an image of it?

Re: Hi, I'm back for more fish - and a malware query

I’ve seen false positives just by downloading new signature files, but not specifically for Livecode, but I seem to recall someone on this list having an issue. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2021, at 17:29, Neville Smythe via use-livecode > wrote: > > OK, Bob S, so I have jumped through

Hi, I'm back for more fish - and a malware query

OK, Bob S, so I have jumped through the small hoop and turned through 180 degrees. And I’m impressed even if you were not: that is to say, I am really impressed with the generosity and goodwill of the great people at LC. Many thanks to those who urged me contact Heather and Kevin about

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 9/8/21 4:37 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: I think that    put [4, 5, 7] into tV is actually equivalent to    put 4 into tV[1]    put 5 into tV[2]    put 7 into tV[3] But I'm happy to wait and try it out in the DP. I would certainly be happier if that turns out to be the

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 2021-09-08 01:33, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: But put [1, 2, 3 ] into tVar2 isn't clear to me. If it was in Python it would be a list - but LC doesn't have 'lists'. Is it equivalent to    put true into tVar2[1]    put true into tVar2[2]    put true into tVar2[3]    ?? and

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 9/8/21 3:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: This actually touches on the arbitrary nature of language. A word only means something because all the parties who want to use that word, agree (whether or not they think they do) that this word will mean this thing. If over time, a

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 08/09/2021 22:43, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: However, if applied to something which is continuous (and perhaps more importantly something humans are not that great at accurately estimating - eg time) it rarely means two exactly... After all when was the last time you said to

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

Hi Bernard, I didn't make myself clear - it can work for hours with no slowdown at 13,000 lines on an older computer there is just no pattern. Lagi On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 18:54, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script

Re: SE Show Globals inverted

Yes. I've also seen crashes on non-conditional breakpoints. I literally save before any test run. Then at suitable junctures I intercept savestack (+ controlKey down) to write the stack out as Json + script only stack and commit it all to my VCS. But again I haven't (yet) noticed a pattern with

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

This reminds me of the counting instructions for the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/Holy_Hand_Grenade_of_Antioch 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the

Re: Send a table in an email.

Hi Sean, If you just want to show the table in an email why not just send an image of it? Create a screenshot of the table and email it. Are you trying to send just one or a lot of them over a period of time? Rick > On Sep 8, 2021, at 3:42 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode > wrote: > > I just

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

Btw. this is how Merriam-Webster thinks about couple, few and several. https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/couple-few-several-use > Am 09.09.2021 um 00:08 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode > : > > More

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

More than three. > Am 09.09.2021 um 00:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > : > > Then what does a few mean? > > Bob S > > >> On Sep 8, 2021, at 14:49 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> How lucky we Germans are with having to write some words in capitals. ;) >>

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

Then what does a few mean? Bob S > On Sep 8, 2021, at 14:49 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode > wrote: > > How lucky we Germans are with having to write some words in capitals. ;) > > 'ein Paar' (a couple) means 2 > 'ein Paar Schuhe' means a pair of shoes > > 'ein paar' means two or

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

Okay I told you don't make me come over there and separate you two! ;-) This actually touches on the arbitrary nature of language. A word only means something because all the parties who want to use that word, agree (whether or not they think they do) that this word will mean this thing. If

Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

Well I've wanted to contribute more, and have as time allowed. I first had to learn how to use GitHub before I could even start to contribute, and did appreciate the hand holding I got from the team along the way. But understand that LC needs to be very careful and methodical about what they

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

How lucky we Germans are with having to write some words in capitals. ;) 'ein Paar' (a couple) means 2 'ein Paar Schuhe' means a pair of shoes 'ein paar' means two or three or somewhere in the range. 'ein paar Schuhe' means 2 or 3 or somewhere in the range shoes In the English lessons in

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

Heh - I think you are both right in different contexts... For sure, when used as a noun in isolation (a couple) it refers to two - specifically either a pair of parallel but opposing forces (physics) or a pair of (usually romantically) involved individuals (some might wryly suggest that these

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 9/8/21 3:20 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: Ah, the problem with calling things “facts” where the data isn’t actually knowable. The number of hairs on my head is a fact but not one that can be accurately known. Kind of like the number of people who watched the Super Bowl. In

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 9/8/21 3:39 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: On 9/8/21 1:20 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: Ah, the problem with calling things “facts” where the data isn’t actually knowable.  The number of hairs on my head is a fact but not one that can be accurately known.  Kind of like

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

The number of hairs on your head at a given point in space and time are a fact, and can be theoretically known. I always say that once we know everything about a subject, there can be no ambiguity, no "alternate point of view". A fact, or "the truth" about a thing is singular. Whether or not we

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

Hi Jacqueline That’s funny, I was assuming that it was a male / female language usage issue. It would be odd if coders saw ‘couple’ not being an arbitrary number but one with some flexibility and not coders not. (Although if your husband is also a coder that would blow that theory out of the

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 9/8/21 1:20 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: Ah, the problem with calling things “facts” where the data isn’t actually knowable. The number of hairs on my head is a fact but not one that can be accurately known. Kind of like the number of people who watched the Super Bowl. In

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

Ah, the problem with calling things “facts” where the data isn’t actually knowable. The number of hairs on my head is a fact but not one that can be accurately known. Kind of like the number of people who watched the Super Bowl. In that context, true fact makes sense (also “cold hard fact”).

Re: SE Show Globals inverted

And when it happens, all the LC globals show up too regardless of the "Show IDE Stacks in Lists" setting. On 9/8/21 12:56 PM, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote: I've seen it for years too. I never worked out what caused it. But I'm an inveterate user of the message box when debugging. I

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

My husband said the same when I told him about this thread. "Couple" means two. I said yes, but colloquially it can mean "two or three or somewhere in that range." We almost started a longer discussion about it, but I reminded him of our 30+ years of ongoing talk about a "fact" so we both

Re: SE Show Globals inverted

I've not knowingly seen this issue. But while we're discussing viewing global variables, I still mourn this regression introduced in LC 8, when the message box stopped allowing inspection of arrays in global variables (the SE still does): https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17478 And

Re: Send a table in an email.

Me too, Bob. Same sort of scenario. It should just deal with them. It looks like I may end up with a mix of Mark’s and Rick’s suggestions. Maybe just html that bit. Sean Cole Pi Digital Productions Ltd eMail Ts & Cs > On 8 Sep 2021, at 18:09, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > I

Re: Send a table in an email.

I just wanted a simple way of showing it without all the extra coding rigmarole. Especially in html. Sean Cole Pi Digital Productions Ltd eMail Ts & Cs > On 8 Sep 2021, at 17:41, Rick Harrison via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi Sean, > > So you want the receiver of your emailed table to

Re: Send a table in an email.

Thanks Mark I will take a look Sean Cole Pi Digital Productions Ltd eMail Ts & Cs > On 8 Sep 2021, at 16:28, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 2021-09-08 11:02, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: >> Hi all >> I'm trying to use the MIME encoder to send an email with a

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

Bob, that is exactly what the schools and university licenses are. Plus, the apps developed with them the are non-expiring (which is probably a good thing since many students will want to continue using their apps and not have them go p and disappear). School is $25 a seat per year, and

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

One thing to check is whether you are using a fixed width font, and if not whether you have the same performance issue with the SE when using one. On Wed, 8 Sep 2021, 18:52 Bernard Devlin via use-livecode, < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script Editor

Re: SE Show Globals inverted

I've seen it for years too. I never worked out what caused it. But I'm an inveterate user of the message box when debugging. I will look out for a pattern to it now. On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 6:32 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > This has been going on

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script Editor on Windows (just 1 large block comment). On typing chars take a couple of seconds to appear once there is that much text. Cut it down to 800 lines and it's fine. With 8000 lines switch off "live errors" and the slow typing issue is gone. I've

Re: SE Show Globals inverted

Good to know. Not a knockout blow by any means, and at least now I know the workaround. :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2021, at 10:33, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > This has been going on for years but I never reported it because... lazy. > For me, it happens when I'm

Re: SE Show Globals inverted

This has been going on for years but I never reported it because... lazy. For me, it happens when I'm stepping through a handler and I change or query something in the message box. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On

Re: Send a table in an email.

I have this need as well. I send emails with completed tickets that have table data. What I have done in the past is use fixed length data padded with spaces, then I send the email in a monospaced font. Having the ability to send an email as html formatted text would be great, but last time I

Re: Send a table in an email.

Hi Sean, So you want the receiver of your emailed table to be able to modify the data in it. I would make it an HTML email so you can allow the user to enter the data directly into your server database table field. That’s if I am understanding you correctly here. Rick > On Sep 8, 2021, at

SE Show Globals inverted

Here's a new one. I've noticed this before, that globals were appearing when show globals checkbox was not hilited. I just noticed that during this condition, checking the show globals checkbox hides the globals! LOL! I'll toss up a bug report later. Bob S

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 2021-09-08 16:48, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote: It requires an explicit '...': Ahah! Not being a javascripter, I completely missed that, and thought you were just omitting some text for clarity! [Sidenote: what idiot decided to use ellipsis as an operator?? And not even the

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 08/09/2021 14:20, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: I also wonder whether this might be the moment to introduce another bit of (completely non-breaking) syntactic sugar: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8945 Hehe - with integers being unbounded, there are plenty more

Re: Text encoding: summary of results and times.

I think that as the code changes in since v7 also included some substantial optimisations, I'm no longer certain that there is *in general* a performance hit from v7 onwards... except on Windows, where Mark W has hinted he may soon fix this. But I'm not absolutely sure. Because the only place

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

I also have seen the autocomplete stop and start working, and that on a Mac. It may have something to do with the length of the script. I have also seen the extreme slowdown issue on Windows script editor and also in the performance. Most of the performance hit is in the frequent saves I

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

Hi Curry, My Laptop is SSD and still the problems. , I have the problems with or without defender on.I don't use third party antivirus anymore as (especially with norton that customers still bloody buy) you get lots of eyecandy bloat and headaches - the best antivirus i have is the one between

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

Also can I make clear that I dont think it is the size of the script. Originally I had a 2000 line library stack and 14000 line main stack When it works it works - I cut the main stack to 7000 lines and still get the slowdown. When it slows down its the same treacle/quicksand/molasses whether

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

> It requires an explicit '...': Ahah! Not being a javascripter, I completely missed that, and thought you were just omitting some text for clarity! [Sidenote: what idiot decided to use ellipsis as an operator?? And not even the ellipsis character, but three dots???]. > Interesting your

Re: Email Support level(s) clarification

Hello Curry, What we offer in the way of support to various license types: No license - we'll answer any presales questions you have. We won't offer any other kind of support. Any license holder of any kind - up and running support. Can't install? Got a problem activating? Won't download?

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

Hi Ben, I did some testing using the CPU% in the task manager - i was trying to do some more before sending in my results. It looks like if it has been running for some time but the time is not "quantified" at the moment as I have not been working on my project much these last few months. When I

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

I don't use 6.7 anymore, but no, they do not. At least not to the degree they do now. Bob S > On Sep 8, 2021, at 05:13 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode > wrote: > > May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows > (Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm

Re: Text encoding: summary of results and times.

It sure helped me to understand it! Thanks. As I understand the performance issue thought between 6.7 and later versions of LC, it revolves around having to process all the unicode strings that are native now. Or so the discussion has gone in the past. If not, then the performance hit since v7

Re: Send a table in an email.

On 2021-09-08 11:02, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: Hi all I'm trying to use the MIME encoder to send an email with a table in the body. I have a field that has both plain text and a few lines that are displayed as a table in the middle of it. I basically just turn on the v and h

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

Speaking of an educational license, perhaps consider, now that a lot of learning is online, having the ability to "assign" a seat license an email and password, so that someone could teach an online course, and distribute each seat license to students for the duration of the class. Upon

Re: Send a table in an email.

Hi Rick, It's not strictly what I was asking as I am talking about the mimeEncode library. Plus it's a file that is then not easily selectable directly from the email. I just want to be able to display a small table of data in the email that is easily readable with a small footprint and using

Re: Send a table in an email.

Hi Sean, Could you try converting your table into a .pdf file so it displays properly? Good luck! Rick > On Sep 8, 2021, at 6:02 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi all > > I'm trying to use the MIME encoder to send an email with a table in the > body. I have a field that

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

Ben: > It would be good to understand if this has always been an issue, > or whether it came in with the switch to LC7, as we know > some other Windows-specific speed issues did. Not "it". Instead a combination: 1. LC 7 Engine Performance issues. 2. New Windows antivirus trends affecting

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 2021-09-08 13:09, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote: I'm also excited by the items in this list, at least the ones that I understand. I am a bit disturbed by the Tail Expressions one, because to the extent that I do understand it, I don't see how this doesn't break existing code that

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 2021-09-08 11:35, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote: I just don't understand this one, so no comment. As I understand, this is LC version of the “spread operator”. It allows you to spread the elements of an array as the arguments to a handler. The code: put “an...@example.com

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

Thanks Tiemo. I think it would help LiveCode address this issue if we knew two things: - if this is something that changed at some point, what was that point - if this doesn't affect everyone on Windows, what are the relevant distinctions In relation to the first question, if

AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

The response of the IDE on Windows is harrowing slow. It's definitely no fun and is chilling for every newbe! I tried all tweaks without result. For me the hassle started with LC 7 (if I remember right) Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode Im Auftrag von Ben Rubinstein

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows (Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm whether they find the same applies using LC 6.7? It would be good to understand if this has always been an issue, or whether it came in with the switch to LC7, as we know

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

I'm also excited by the items in this list, at least the ones that I understand. I still haven't fully understood the one Alex raises below, but I'm content that it won't bother me until I do. I am a bit disturbed by the Tail Expressions one, because to the extent that I do understand it, I

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

> On Sep 7, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode > wrote: > > My wife and I have an ongoing disagreement about the term 'couple of’ in > terms of counting. I say it means around 2 or 3ish. She says it means 2. > Further she says if you wanted to say 3 or 4 you would say ‘a few’.

Email Support level(s) clarification

I hate to ask this offlist one-on-one because it seems much more of an FAQ-type question, where answering once could service many people, saving both LC Ltd and ourselves lots of time. So here it is Now "Email Support" is listed as an Addon in the new livecode.com Standard Pricing page.

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

Hi Alex, > On 8 Sep 2021, at 01:33, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > wrote: > > I just don't understand this one, so no comment. As I understand, this is LC version of the “spread operator”. It allows you to spread the elements of an array as the arguments to a handler. The code: put

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

I mean the script editor mostly but also the rest of the ide has a bit of jank. Laying out interfaces on Windows has been worse than doing it on a Mac. The worse offender is the script editor though. > On 7 Sep 2021, at 23:28, Scott Morrow via use-livecode > wrote: > > Andre, when you say

Warning in standalone builder

Hi there, I get a warning when building a standalone on Win: "Windows x86-32, external No externals.txt config file found for enhancedwin" I am using the enhancedwin dll and have put the externals.txt into the following folders: * \MyDevelopingFolder\Externals\ *

Send a table in an email.

Hi all I'm trying to use the MIME encoder to send an email with a table in the body. I have a field that has both plain text and a few lines that are displayed as a table in the middle of it. I basically just turn on the v and h lines and set tab stops. mimeEncodeField... puts the text into the

Re: Text encoding: summary of results and times.

On 07/09/2021 17:22, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: This makes sense to me (I think) because if I am not mistaken, UTF16 is Unicode, and UTF8 is simple ASCII. The slowdown from 6.7 to 7.0 was precicely the support for Unicode text. Someone will correct me if I am wrong about this. As a

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

On 2021-09-08 01:33, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: But put [1, 2, 3 ] into tVar2 isn't clear to me. If it was in Python it would be a list - but LC doesn't have 'lists'. Is it equivalent to    put true into tVar2[1]    put true into tVar2[2]    put true into tVar2[3]    ?? Yes. A

Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

It does look exciting, but, as usual, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and I am sure, initially at least, there will be a few bits of nutshell left in there for us to jag our teeth on: but that's to be expected, and our job is to report back any nutty bits to LiveCode centre. My