Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

sean stumbled,

>My wife and I have an agreement that ‘if it isn’t written down, it never 
>happened’. 
>We never wrote the agreement down though, so…

Pictures, or . . . 

Oh, wait, you’re already there. 

Nevermind . . .


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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

>> never conciously
> 
> I've tried that excuse but my wife never buys it. ;)
> 

My wife and I have an agreement that ‘if it isn’t written down, it never 
happened’. We never wrote the agreement down though, so…

Sean

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

Hi

I thought I hadn’t received it but I eventually found it in spam.

From:  member(a)outbound.research.net  
Subject: [Survey] Help us decide which bugs to fix next
Date: Oct 21, 2021at 9:23 am

I was just searching inbox for ‘@livecode.com’  ‘livecode’ etc and nothing was 
coming up.

Martin Koob

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 4:01 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 10/22/21 2:04 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> Buy the way I won't be using LC anymore I am getting $25,000,000 from an
>> anonymous benefactor in Asia.
> 
> How strange, their grandmother sent me a similar offer from Nigeria.
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 10/22/21 2:04 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

Buy the way I won't be using LC anymore I am getting $25,000,000 from an
anonymous benefactor in Asia.


How strange, their grandmother sent me a similar offer from Nigeria.

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

ralph rumbled,

>Buy the way I won't be using LC anymore I am getting $25,000,000 from an
>anonymous benefactor in Asia. 

on fallForScam
  put allOfMyMoney into scammersHands
end fallForScam


:)


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RE: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

My hosting provider was doing the same thing. There was an option in the web
interface to let all email rip and let the client SW deal with it along with
smart email habits. We actually a serious issue because we missed a few
legitimate emails from one customer. This was from a fortune 500 company. I
don't want some lame AI SW making mistakes. This almost cost us some real
money!

Buy the way I won't be using LC anymore I am getting $25,000,000 from an
anonymous benefactor in Asia. Imagine that, of all the people in the world I
was picked! Just sent my banking info and SS number. Waiting for a deposit
now.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 1:25 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

I wonder if it got caught up in a spam filter. My hosting provider is
getting stricter about that, and they filter out some email before it even
gets to my account.

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http://www.hyperactivesw.com On October 22, 2021 12:19:08 PM Heather Laine
via use-livecode  wrote:

> @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the 
> interface. I will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey
reminder.
> @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I 
> will try and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on 
> Monday. I'm am out of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're 
> not going to close this survey quickly. We want plenty of input.




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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

FWIW I get alert emails when something is quarantined. I got nothing on this 
one. Maybe someone at SurveyMonkey replied to a survey email that turned out to 
be a scam and they got hacked? 

Sorry I had to. :-)

Bob S


> On Oct 22, 2021, at 10:24 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> 
> I wonder if it got caught up in a spam filter. My hosting provider is getting 
> stricter about that, and they filter out some email before it even gets to my 
> account.
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> On October 22, 2021 12:19:08 PM Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
>> will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
>> @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will 
>> try and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm 
>> am out of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close 
>> this survey quickly. We want plenty of input.
> 
> 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Devin Asay via use-livecode]

I didn’t receive it either. 

- Devin

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
> will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
> @Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will try 
> and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm am out 
> of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close this 
> survey quickly. We want plenty of input.
> 
> Best Regards to all,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly checked
>> any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions? There is not a
>> chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to stop sending me
>> random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
>> Sean
>> 
>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does
>>> not tell me when or how.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 
> Come on, how should Matthias know?
 He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

> 
> never conciously

I've tried that excuse but my wife never buys it. ;)

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I wonder if it got caught up in a spam filter. My hosting provider is 
getting stricter about that, and they filter out some email before it even 
gets to my account.


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On October 22, 2021 12:19:08 PM Heather Laine via use-livecode 
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@Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. 
@Jacque and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will 
try and ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm 
am out of time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close 
this survey quickly. We want plenty of input.





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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

@Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. @Jacque 
and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will try and 
ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm am out of 
time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close this survey 
quickly. We want plenty of input.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

Heather Laine
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LiveCode Ltd
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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly checked
> any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions? There is not a
> chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to stop sending me
> random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
> Sean
> 
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does
>> not tell me when or how.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Come on, how should Matthias know?
>>> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I didn't get a survey either but I did get the one a while ago about 
conference preferences. I think Survey Monkey may be a bit confused.


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On October 22, 2021 5:34:59 AM matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Every survey email has an "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the message 
text. If you click on that link you'll opt out from receiving surveys 
emails from that specific account.

So maybe you've clicked such a link in an older survey email in the past

Regards

Matthias

Am 22.10.2021 um 12:17 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:


Where do you opt in or out. I never consciously did so

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


On 22 Oct 2021, at 09:15, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:


?Hi Sean,

You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our 
surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as 
opted out. So we can't send it to you.


Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com 



On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:


Hi
I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you already
know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.

Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature' like
FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit with
Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so dysfunctional)
then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the new
one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right now
just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You guys
put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is dependant
on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.

Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
despondency.

My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix all the
base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor (so
we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to use
3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.

You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You want to
know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff yourself
and try to do it without having to use workarounds!


On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > wrote:

Hi Heather,


Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:


Dear list folks,

We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug

list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you
enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own
unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.


Thank you very much!

Warmest Regards,

Heather


I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little time.
Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!


Best

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

:-)

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 01:15 , Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our 
> surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as 
> opted out. So we can't send it to you. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you already
>> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
>> 
>> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature' like
>> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
>> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit with
>> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so dysfunctional)
>> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the new
>> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right now
>> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You guys
>> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is dependant
>> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
>> 
>> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
>> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
>> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
>> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
>> despondency.
>> 
>> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix all the
>> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
>> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor (so
>> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to use
>> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
>> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
>> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
>> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
>> 
>> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You want to
>> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff yourself
>> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
>> 
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Heather,
>>> 
 Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
 
 Dear list folks,
 
 We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug
>>> list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you
>>> enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own
>>> unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
 
 Thank you very much!
 
 Warmest Regards,
 
 Heather
>>> 
>>> I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little time.
>>> Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Klaus
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> https://www.major-k.de
>>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>>> kl...@major-k.de
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

It does seem odd that those of us who may have unsubscribed to online
surveys get sent mail shots to say we are going to get sent one: so some
wires have got crossed somewhere.

Richmond.

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I honestly do not remember if I unsubscribed or not.

I am often sent this type of survey re education (ESL and programming) 
and have

come, personally, to regard them as an utter waste of time.

Asking people to choose a number on a scale (1 - 10, 1-5, or whatever) 
only results

in nebulous responses to nebulous questions.

Now, Sean's response was "in your face" in a way a survey-monkey thing 
cannot be.


LiveCode have received quite a few "in your face" responses recently: 
responding by sending out a survey-monkey

thing seems a fairly feeble way to respond.

I would deal with these "in your face" responses in the following way:

1. We wanted to have a sea change here at LiveCode, and we certainly 
have precipitated one.


1.1. If we REALLY want demonstrate that we listen to people who use 
LiveCode we should DO that

in terms of tangible results.

2. So, let's get in a huddle and work our way through these "in your 
face" responses and see

if they contain some common threads and themes.

2.1. No, NOT 20 minutes over a cup of coffee: an all-nighter with lots 
of cursing, swearing and

admitting a few home truths about oneself.

3. Having narrowed down any common threads and themes it might be a good 
idea to act upon

them NOW.

My personal "cut", which as, primarily and educator is likely to be 
different from the other writers
of "in your face" responses, is to "retrench" almost completely to the 
end of the LiveCode 8 series and
FIX every bug from before 8.2.0 (the odd DP2 that went the way of all 
flesh) that still has a significant

negative effect on any aspect of LiveCode 8.2 whatsoever.

I will sign this the way I used to sign my postings a few years ago when 
I had the feeling

there was some decent to-and-fro going on.

Love, Richmond.

On 22.10.21 16:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does not 
tell me when or how.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
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Come on, how should Matthias know?

He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Sean Cole via use-livecode]

Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly checked
any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions? There is not a
chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to stop sending me
random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
Sean

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does
> not tell me when or how.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
>
>
>
> > On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Come on, how should Matthias know?
> > He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
> >
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does not 
tell me when or how.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
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> 
>> Come on, how should Matthias know?
> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously  
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

> Come on, how should Matthias know?
He won’t. Heather might. Obviously  

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Sean,

> Am 22.10.2021 um 13:38 schrieb Sean Cole via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> when and how?

June, 12th at 3:02 PM with a mouse! 8-)

Come on, how should Matthias know?

> Sean
> 
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:38, Sean Cole  wrote:
> 
>> never conciously
>> Sean
>> 
>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:32, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Every survey email has an "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the message
>>> text. If you click on that link you'll opt out from receiving surveys
>>> emails from that specific account.
>>> So maybe you've clicked such a link in an older survey email in the past
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Matthias

Best

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Sean Cole via use-livecode]

when and how?
Sean

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 12:38, Sean Cole  wrote:

> never conciously
> Sean
>
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:32, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Every survey email has an "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the message
>> text. If you click on that link you'll opt out from receiving surveys
>> emails from that specific account.
>> So maybe you've clicked such a link in an older survey email in the past
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>> > Am 22.10.2021 um 12:17 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
>> >
>> > Where do you opt in or out. I never consciously did so
>> >
>> > Sean Cole
>> > Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>> >
>> > eMail Ts & Cs
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 22 Oct 2021, at 09:15, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Sean,
>> >>
>> >> You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving
>> our surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked
>> as opted out. So we can't send it to you.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Heather
>> >>
>> >> Heather Laine
>> >> Customer Services Manager
>> >> LiveCode Ltd
>> >> www.livecode.com 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi
>> >>> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you
>> already
>> >>> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user
>> 'feature' like
>> >>> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for
>> HTML5
>> >>> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh
>> visit with
>> >>> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so
>> dysfunctional)
>> >>> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that
>> the new
>> >>> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right
>> now
>> >>> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You
>> guys
>> >>> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is
>> dependant
>> >>> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
>> >>>
>> >>> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users
>> to
>> >>> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost
>> in
>> >>> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember
>> the
>> >>> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed
>> their
>> >>> despondency.
>> >>>
>> >>> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix
>> all the
>> >>> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
>> >>> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script
>> editor (so
>> >>> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to
>> use
>> >>> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
>> >>> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and
>> property
>> >>> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on
>> to
>> >>> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
>> >>>
>> >>> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You
>> want to
>> >>> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff
>> yourself
>> >>> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
>> >>>
>>  On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi Heather,
>> 
>> > Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >>:
>> >
>> > Dear list folks,
>> >
>> > We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10
>> bug
>>  list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the
>> bugs you
>>  enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want
>> your own
>>  unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much!
>> >
>> > Warmest Regards,
>> >
>> > Heather
>> 
>>  I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little
>> time.
>>  Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
>> 
>> 
>>  Best
>> 
>>  Klaus
>> 
>>  --
>>  Klaus Major
>>  https://www.major-k.de 
>>  https://www.major-k.de/bass
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>> 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Sean Cole via use-livecode]

never conciously
Sean

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:32, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Every survey email has an "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the message
> text. If you click on that link you'll opt out from receiving surveys
> emails from that specific account.
> So maybe you've clicked such a link in an older survey email in the past
>
> Regards
>
> Matthias
>
> > Am 22.10.2021 um 12:17 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >
> > Where do you opt in or out. I never consciously did so
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> >
> > eMail Ts & Cs
> >
> >
> >> On 22 Oct 2021, at 09:15, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Sean,
> >>
> >> You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our
> surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as
> opted out. So we can't send it to you.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Heather
> >>
> >> Heather Laine
> >> Customer Services Manager
> >> LiveCode Ltd
> >> www.livecode.com 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you
> already
> >>> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
> >>>
> >>> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature'
> like
> >>> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
> >>> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit
> with
> >>> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so
> dysfunctional)
> >>> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the
> new
> >>> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right
> now
> >>> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You
> guys
> >>> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is
> dependant
> >>> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
> >>>
> >>> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users
> to
> >>> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost
> in
> >>> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember
> the
> >>> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed
> their
> >>> despondency.
> >>>
> >>> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix
> all the
> >>> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
> >>> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor
> (so
> >>> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to
> use
> >>> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
> >>> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
> >>> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
> >>> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
> >>>
> >>> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You
> want to
> >>> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff
> yourself
> >>> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
> >>>
>  On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >
> wrote:
> 
>  Hi Heather,
> 
> > Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com  >>:
> >
> > Dear list folks,
> >
> > We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug
>  list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the
> bugs you
>  enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want
> your own
>  unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
> >
> > Thank you very much!
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> >
> > Heather
> 
>  I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little
> time.
>  Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
> 
> 
>  Best
> 
>  Klaus
> 
>  --
>  Klaus Major
>  https://www.major-k.de 
>  https://www.major-k.de/bass
>  kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Every survey email has an "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the message text. 
If you click on that link you'll opt out from receiving surveys emails from 
that specific account.
So maybe you've clicked such a link in an older survey email in the past

Regards

Matthias

> Am 22.10.2021 um 12:17 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Where do you opt in or out. I never consciously did so
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 09:15, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our 
>> surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as 
>> opted out. So we can't send it to you. 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you already
>>> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
>>> 
>>> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature' like
>>> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
>>> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit with
>>> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so dysfunctional)
>>> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the new
>>> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right now
>>> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You guys
>>> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is dependant
>>> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
>>> 
>>> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
>>> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
>>> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
>>> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
>>> despondency.
>>> 
>>> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix all the
>>> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
>>> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor (so
>>> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to use
>>> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
>>> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
>>> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
>>> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
>>> 
>>> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You want to
>>> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff yourself
>>> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
>>> 
 On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Heather,
 
> Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> 
> Dear list folks,
> 
> We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug
 list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you
 enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own
 unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Heather
 
 I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little time.
 Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
 
 
 Best
 
 Klaus
 
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 https://www.major-k.de 
 https://www.major-k.de/bass
 kl...@major-k.de
 
 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Where do you opt in or out. I never consciously did so

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd

eMail Ts & Cs


> On 22 Oct 2021, at 09:15, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our 
> surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as 
> opted out. So we can't send it to you. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you already
>> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
>> 
>> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature' like
>> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
>> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit with
>> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so dysfunctional)
>> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the new
>> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right now
>> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You guys
>> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is dependant
>> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
>> 
>> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
>> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
>> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
>> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
>> despondency.
>> 
>> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix all the
>> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
>> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor (so
>> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to use
>> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
>> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
>> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
>> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
>> 
>> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You want to
>> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff yourself
>> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
>> 
>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Heather,
>>> 
 Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
 
 Dear list folks,
 
 We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug
>>> list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you
>>> enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own
>>> unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
 
 Thank you very much!
 
 Warmest Regards,
 
 Heather
>>> 
>>> I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little time.
>>> Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Klaus
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> https://www.major-k.de
>>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>>> kl...@major-k.de
>>> 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hi Sean,

You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our 
surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as 
opted out. So we can't send it to you. 

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you already
> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
> 
> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature' like
> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit with
> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so dysfunctional)
> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the new
> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right now
> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You guys
> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is dependant
> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
> 
> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
> despondency.
> 
> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix all the
> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor (so
> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to use
> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
> 
> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You want to
> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff yourself
> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
> 
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Heather,
>> 
>>> Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Dear list folks,
>>> 
>>> We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug
>> list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you
>> enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own
>> unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much!
>>> 
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>> 
>> I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little time.
>> Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
>> 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
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