Re: nsScriptDatabase (was property sheets)
Bob S wrote > On 11 Jun 2022, at 2:00 am, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > > A direct link, or where to go to get it would be helpful. The stack is in the Development section of Sample Stacks, though it seems to help the extraordinarily slow search engine to click All before Go. There are only 542 stacks listed, why does it take so long to find one? Bob and I know a better way, eh? You can also download the stack and pre-build standalones from https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6z4yuw55rnvub3t/AAB3jJ9yO4l2zCOoDq1uO7L2a?dl=0 I didn’t give the direct link in this list because I was interested in the number of downloads from Sample Stacks, but evidentlyI can track the number of accesses from my Dropbox folder. Neville Smythe neville.smy...@optusnet.com.au 0414517719 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Would anyone miss convertOctals?
On 6/10/22 10:12, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote: "saw"... heh I was thinking along those lines as well. Heck, I just saw my octalmologist last week. Phil Davis On 6/10/22 8:16 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: So it has nothing to do with eye surgery?? Dang. I thought I was going to get a prize or something. Bob S -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Would anyone miss convertOctals?
I was thinking along those lines as well. Heck, I just saw my octalmologist last week. Phil Davis On 6/10/22 8:16 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: So it has nothing to do with eye surgery?? Dang. I thought I was going to get a prize or something. Bob S On Jun 10, 2022, at 24:45 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Given the responses so far, it looks to me like convertOctals is an exceptionally rarely used feature (the number of years of LC experience amongst those who have responded is in excess of two centuries, and >80% of the respondents didn't know what the property was). ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis (503) 307-4363 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Would anyone miss convertOctals?
I may be dreaming, but didn't you mention that using "the" before a property name would be required? That will throw a lot of people who've become used to omitting that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On June 10, 2022 2:46:46 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: In terms of other things which are 'on the block' - then no explicit features per-se but there are a couple of extreme 'edge cases' which will likely be removed. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Would anyone miss convertOctals?
Same as many others on the octal question. Did not know/don’t use. (can see how it would be useful) On this one... don’t use it for msg or envs. I rarely use by ref to change calling parameters, but do it now and again. I mostly use by ref for performance in loops or extraordinary large data sets. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:45 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Mark Waddingham Subject: Re: Would anyone miss convertOctals? On 2022-06-09 20:54, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote: > Mark. > > Gong the other way, is your task made much simpler by losing > “converOctals”? I assume so, or the issue would never have come up. > Are there other similar language elements that also are on the block? I'm not sure it makes things 'much simpler' - but it does remove one thing to have to think about. Further it removes a case where script is ambiguous at parse-time - i.e. the token 0123 could mean one of two different things depending on a runtime property. Given the responses so far, it looks to me like convertOctals is an exceptionally rarely used feature (the number of years of LC experience amongst those who have responded is in excess of two centuries, and >80% of the respondents didn't know what the property was). Thus any added complexity caused by having this feature seems a waste of time/effort/mind-space - particularly as there is a more-than-adequate replacement which has none of its problems (i.e. 0o123) - and moreover one which other languages (e.g. JS) adopted a long time ago. In terms of other things which are 'on the block' - then no explicit features per-se but there are a couple of extreme 'edge cases' which will likely be removed. For example, the ability to use 'msg' (which is aliased to the content of the message box) and '$' implicit variables as referenced parameters in handlers. Currently you can do: on mouseUp fillVars msg, $FOOBAR end mouseUp on fillVars @pA, @pB put "foo" into pA put "bar" into pB end fillVars The ability to pass these 'quasi-variables' as references will potentially reduce the potential performance gains of moving to a bytecode-based VM when referenced parameters are used in general, and thus (like convertOctals) their existence seems too high a price to pay for what is almost certainly a rarely used (if used at all) feature. Note: I should stress that the above is *just* removing the ability to pass 'msg' and environment variable globals as reference parameters to handlers *not* removing 'msg' or environment variables in general! Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Property sheets
Hi Neville. A direct link, or where to go to get it would be helpful. Thanks. Bob S > On Jun 9, 2022, at 17:51 , Neville Smythe via use-livecode > wrote: > > I have uploaded version 2.2 of nsScriptDatabase which can display supported > properties of widgets, with their current and default values. > > There are also some bug fixes so current users should download the new > version and update their database for those stacks which contain widgets or > for which the bug fixes are relevant. A link to standalone versions is > included in the new version. > > Neville > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Would anyone miss convertOctals?
So it has nothing to do with eye surgery?? Dang. I thought I was going to get a prize or something. Bob S > On Jun 10, 2022, at 24:45 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > Given the responses so far, it looks to me like convertOctals is an > exceptionally rarely used feature (the number of years of LC experience > amongst those who have responded is in excess of two centuries, and >80% of > the respondents didn't know what the property was). ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Would anyone miss convertOctals?
On 2022-06-09 20:54, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote: Mark. Gong the other way, is your task made much simpler by losing “converOctals”? I assume so, or the issue would never have come up. Are there other similar language elements that also are on the block? I'm not sure it makes things 'much simpler' - but it does remove one thing to have to think about. Further it removes a case where script is ambiguous at parse-time - i.e. the token 0123 could mean one of two different things depending on a runtime property. Given the responses so far, it looks to me like convertOctals is an exceptionally rarely used feature (the number of years of LC experience amongst those who have responded is in excess of two centuries, and >80% of the respondents didn't know what the property was). Thus any added complexity caused by having this feature seems a waste of time/effort/mind-space - particularly as there is a more-than-adequate replacement which has none of its problems (i.e. 0o123) - and moreover one which other languages (e.g. JS) adopted a long time ago. In terms of other things which are 'on the block' - then no explicit features per-se but there are a couple of extreme 'edge cases' which will likely be removed. For example, the ability to use 'msg' (which is aliased to the content of the message box) and '$' implicit variables as referenced parameters in handlers. Currently you can do: on mouseUp fillVars msg, $FOOBAR end mouseUp on fillVars @pA, @pB put "foo" into pA put "bar" into pB end fillVars The ability to pass these 'quasi-variables' as references will potentially reduce the potential performance gains of moving to a bytecode-based VM when referenced parameters are used in general, and thus (like convertOctals) their existence seems too high a price to pay for what is almost certainly a rarely used (if used at all) feature. Note: I should stress that the above is *just* removing the ability to pass 'msg' and environment variable globals as reference parameters to handlers *not* removing 'msg' or environment variables in general! Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
