Re: A web app launcher with responsive design

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 8/13/22 17:16, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:

Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!

I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive 
research and testing!



Wow. Thanks Andreas.

Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).


OTOH, it's working fine for me on Chrome. Go figger.

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Re: A web app launcher with responsive design

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Hi Tom, Andreas didn’t mention what the platform was in his message so I just 
googled  “LC web deployment” and it turned up this… 

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/800867-how-do-i-put-my-first-app-on-the-web

However, since you mentioned WASM I looked it up and you are correct, LC 10 
(which Andreas was using) is using Web Assembly not HTML5. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2022, at 1:07 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.
> 
> I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
> instead.
> It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
> Can someone clarify this for me?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
>> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
>> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
>> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
>> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
>> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
>> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
>> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
>>> 
>>> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
>> research and testing!
>>> 
>>> TL;DR:
>>> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
>>> 
>>> Long version:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to do two things:
>>> 
>>> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
>> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
>> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
>> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
>>> 
>>> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
>> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
>> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
>> space”.)
>>> 
>>> I have accomplished both!
>>> You can see and test the result here:
>>> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ 
>>> 
>>> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
>> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
>>> 
>>> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
>> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
>> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
>> opening additional external LC stacks.
>>> 
>>> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
>> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
>> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
>> stack rect and content accordingly.
>>> 
>>> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
>> the same browser window!
>>> 
>>> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
>> opening! Let’s build it! :)
>>> 
>>> /Andreas
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Re: A web app launcher with responsive design

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

On 13/08/2022 20:24, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:

Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!

I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and 
testing!


Wow. Thanks Andreas.

Resize, etc. work well for me on Safari, but fail badly on Chrome 
browser (details not included) - all build-for-web attempts fail on this 
version of Chrome.  (which it says is up-to-date).



However, the way I read your email ( "...excited to share with you the 
fruits of this week's..."), I think ui intend to make this code 
available for the rest of us to use. But, I cant see a link, or a way to 
get access to the source.


Please tell me I'm not over-interpreting your words. Please say that you 
have, or will, publish the text of the stacks involved.


Many thanks again,

Alex.



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Re: A web app launcher with responsive design

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hey Andreas, thanks for sharing, cool example of responsive design.

I thought the HTML5/javascript export was dead, and WASM would be used
instead.
It could be my own confusion about terminology being used.
Can someone clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Tom


On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 5:41 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work
> with the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of
> loading it on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then
> a second or so thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the
> first download but again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads.
> It looks like you’ve got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens
> and the adaptive resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and
> it looks very enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> >
> > I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive
> research and testing!
> >
> > TL;DR:
> > Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ <
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/>
> >
> > Long version:
> >
> > I wanted to do two things:
> >
> > 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal
> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an
> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update
> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> >
> > 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the
> stacks and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both
> desktop and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting
> space”.)
> >
> > I have accomplished both!
> > You can see and test the result here:
> > https://wheninspace.com/portal/ 
> >
> > Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various
> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> >
> > The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as
> event listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal
> stack which is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for
> opening additional external LC stacks.
> >
> > When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from
> the JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the
> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its
> stack rect and content accordingly.
> >
> > As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in
> the same browser window!
> >
> > I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is
> opening! Let’s build it! :)
> >
> > /Andreas
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Re: A web app launcher with responsive design

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Congratulations Andreas and thanks for sharing. I haven’t done any work with 
the new LC HTML5 engine but I was really impressed with the speed of loading it 
on my new M1 Pro — about 3-4 seconds on first download and then a second or so 
thereafter. On my iPhone 12 not so fast… more like 30 on the first download but 
again very quick (a second or two) on subsequent loads. It looks like you’ve 
got a lot of the tech working with objects and screens and the adaptive 
resizing. When I do get around to getting into this (and it looks very 
enticing) I’ll know where to go for help :)

Mark


> On 13 Aug 2022, at 8:24 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!
> 
> I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research 
> and testing!
> 
> TL;DR:
> Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ 
> 
> Long version:
> 
> I wanted to do two things:
> 
> 1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal 
> launcher/splash stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an 
> external stack that does everything else. This way I can then update 
> individual stacks, without having to build a new standalone each time.
> 
> 2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks 
> and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop 
> and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)
> 
> I have accomplished both!
> You can see and test the result here:
> https://wheninspace.com/portal/ 
> 
> Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various 
> sizes) and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).
> 
> The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event 
> listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which 
> is an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening 
> additional external LC stacks. 
> 
> When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the 
> JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the 
> width/height values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its 
> stack rect and content accordingly.
> 
> As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the 
> same browser window!
> 
> I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is 
> opening! Let’s build it! :)
> 
> /Andreas
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Re: Livecode SQLite

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hey Mark, I'm using very simple examples to run it, so I don't think its my
query, but you are eight I shouldreport this. This would be really great to
have. Esp since  almost everything is json these days.
I will report it in the next few days. Thanks,

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:57 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2022-08-11 16:16, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > I was interested in implementing a relatively new feature where you can
> > index and query json documents and read the keys directly.
> >
> > https://dgl.cx/2020/06/sqlite-json-support
> >
> > I guess, if this is true, is there any documentation about which
> > features
> > of sqlite are implemented and which are not?
>
> The version of SQLite is currently 3.34 built with FTS3,
> FTS3_PARANTHESIS, FTS4, FTS5, RTREE and JSON1 options.
>
> So the JSON features (at least as far as those included in 3.34) should
> be included - perhaps the queries you are trying rely on features
> (perhaps not JSON related) included in more recent versions?
>
> If you file a bug report with what examples of what isn't working, then
> we'll look into updating to the latest version of the library.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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Running installer on Windows 10

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I am testing a stack on some different systems, and on Mac M1, Mac Intel, Intel 
i7 PC with Windows 10, and an Intel Celeron N5095 with Windows 11, no problems.

On an Intel Celeron N3450, Windows 10, nothing happens when opening the 
LiveCode 9.6.8 x86-64 installer, or if I open a standalone app that I made. 
When using run as admin, the initial “are you sure” screen appears, but then 
after that nothing happens.

What could be different between a Celeron N5095 and a Celeron N3450, that would 
account for why LiveCode applications don’t open?

I see from this post:

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387 


that some software might not like an Intel HD Graphics 500, but would that be a 
reason for the installer to fail silently?

I worked around the issue for now by saving the stack as v7. The 7.1.3 
installer works ok.
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A web app launcher with responsive design

[Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode]

Friends, I have done wonderful things with LC10 web deployment!

I’m excited to share with you the fruits of this week's extensive research and 
testing!

TL;DR:
Try this: https://wheninspace.com/portal/ 

Long version:

I wanted to do two things:

1) Like we often do with desktop standalones: Create a minimal launcher/splash 
stack as standalone, which only does one thing - open an external stack that 
does everything else. This way I can then update individual stacks, without 
having to build a new standalone each time.

2) Get the resizing of the browser window to trigger the resize of the stacks 
and all the responsive design therein, and make it look good on both desktop 
and mobile. (Refining the example from the mothership, ”Meeting space”.)

I have accomplished both!
You can see and test the result here:
https://wheninspace.com/portal/ 

Please try it both in desktop browsers (resizing the browser to various sizes) 
and mobile browsers (both portrait and landscape orientation).

The standalone consists of a minimal launch stack that just acts as event 
listening agent (even after closing itself) and opens the Portal stack which is 
an external LC stack. The Portal stack then has buttons for opening additional 
external LC stacks. 

When the launcher stack receives a resize signal from the browser (from the 
JavaScript in the html file), it dispatches ”resizeEvent” with the width/height 
values to the topStack, which can subsequently rearrange its stack rect and 
content accordingly.

As a bonus, I also demonstrate the possibility to show several stacks in the 
same browser window!

I find the LC web deployment option a true game-changer! A new world is 
opening! Let’s build it! :)

/Andreas
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Re: Server globals

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

With LC thinking that they want to emphasize web apps, more, the
complications with server probably also need some effort.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 8:54 AM Tim Selander via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to
> do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm
> headed in the right direction.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many
> > not-so-easy ones too.
> >
> > IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.
> >
> > See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at
> > tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc
> >
> > (or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )
> >
> > You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row'
> > value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie
> > ..." before *any* other output.)
> >
> > Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you
> > store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a
> > lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename
> > using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then
> > retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hi Matthias,
> >>
> >> It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file
> >> on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and
> >> used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much
> >> data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.
> >>
> >> One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come
> >> up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to
> >> re-invent the wheel -- badly.
> >>
> >> It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only
> >> want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a
> >> LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but
> >> just can't wrap my head around it.
> >>
> >> Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the
> >> CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection
> >> attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile.
> >> I've done that for all my other projects
> >>
> >> Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file
> >> saves look like they'll work!
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Hi Tim,
> >>>
> >>> does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that
> >>> changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?
> >>>
> >>> I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the
> >>> server which stored that value. In my case the value was not
> >>> user specific so it was an easy task.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies
> >>> for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all
> >>> pages in the same domain.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
>  Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode
>  :
> 
>  As always, appreciate everyone's help.
> 
>  Have made several little projects using LC Server on the
>  on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global
>  variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value
>  even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another
>  .lc page/file in the domain.
> 
>  All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for
>  nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you
>  move around pages in the same domain?
> 
>  Thanks.
> 
>  Tim Selander
>  Tokyo, Japan
> 
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Re: Server globals

[Tim Selander via use-livecode]

Alex,

Went to your page, and wow, that is exactly what I was trying to 
do. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how you do it, but I'm 
headed in the right direction.


Thanks!

Tim

On 2022.08.13 8:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Tim,

I think there are many easy ways to do this - and many 
not-so-easy ones too.


IMO, easiest for something simple like this is to just use the url.

See tweedly.net/page_by_url.txt for the code, or try it out at 
tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc


(or try tweedly.net/page_by_url.lc?row=14 )

You can do something very similar using a cookie, with the 'row' 
value stored in the cookie each time (remember to "put cookie 
..." before *any* other output.)


Or by using the cookie to hold the name of a file in which you 
store this kind of info. This is necessary if you need to store a 
lot of data - if there is not already a cookie, create a filename 
using something like uuid(), and store the file name in it - then 
retrieve the cookie, and read or write the file.


Alex.

On 12/08/2022 14:18, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Matthias,

It is user specific, but I just tried the saving to a text file 
on the server -- very fast. Got the user IP from $_Server, and 
used that in the filename for easy later retrieval. How much 
data can a cookie hold? Guess I'll test that.


One of the reasons I'm fussing with this is I'm trying to come 
up with some kind of pagination system. I'm probably trying to 
re-invent the wheel -- badly.


It's a simple membership list, with a few hundred records. Only 
want to show 30 on the page at a time. I wonder if anyone has a 
LC sample for doing that. I tried Ralph Bitter's Revigniter but 
just can't wrap my head around it.


Using MySQL for testing, so could try to figure out using the 
CURSOR feature. But know nothing about avoiding injection 
attacks, so may fall back to using  a .csv for the datafile. 
I've done that for all my other projects


Anyway, thanks for the info; no global variables, but file 
saves look like they'll work!


Tim

On 2022.08.12 21:26, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Tim,

does the variable have a user specific value or a value, that 
changes from time to time, but is the same for all users?


I've done something some time ago and used a text file on the 
server which stored that value. In my case the value was not 
user specific so it was an easy task.



If the variable is user specific, why don't you use a  cookies 
for that? That will grant that the value is available  at all 
pages in the same domain.


Regards,
Matthias


Am 12.08.2022 um 13:27 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
:


As always, appreciate everyone's help.

Have made several little projects using LC Server on the 
on-rev.com host. For the first time, I would like a global 
variable -- that is a variable that would retain it's value 
even if the page is re-loaded. Or if a user goes to another 
.lc page/file in the domain.


All my playing around, and Googling around, has been for 
nought. Is there a way to hang on to a bit of data was you 
move around pages in the same domain?


Thanks.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

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