Re: Move in Reverse

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 1/17/23 18:35, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry for not being clear. I want to first move a grc “X” to the points of a 
polygon and then reverse direction. I thought there might be some esoteric code 
for the reverse direction like

move grc “X” to the inverse points of grc Poly1

… but no cigar?


No worries. You were clear, I was being dense.

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Re: Move in Reverse

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

Sorry for not being clear. I want to first move a grc “X” to the points of a 
polygon and then reverse direction. I thought there might be some esoteric code 
for the reverse direction like 

move grc “X” to the inverse points of grc Poly1

… but no cigar?

Roger


> On Jan 17, 2023, at 5:56 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 1/17/23 16:34, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> He's moving the graphic object "to" the points of a polygon - i.e. to each 
>> in turn.
>> So the movement would be reversed.
> 
> Doh! Got it.
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Re: Move in Reverse

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 1/17/23 16:34, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
He's moving the graphic object "to" the points of a polygon - i.e. to 
each in turn.


So the movement would be reversed.


Doh! Got it.

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Re: Move in Reverse

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Can't he just repeat with i = the number of lines of the points of polygon 1 
down to 1?

Bob S


> On Jan 17, 2023, at 16:34 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> He's moving the graphic object "to" the points of a polygon - i.e. to each in 
> turn.
> 
> So the movement would be reversed.
> 
> On 17/01/2023 23:23, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 1/17/23 12:06, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> is there a simple way to move a grc to the points of a polygon in reverse? 
>>> Or, does one have to manipulate the points list to its inverse?
>> 
>> But... why? Don't you end up with the same polygon?
>> 
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Re: Move in Reverse

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

He's moving the graphic object "to" the points of a polygon - i.e. to 
each in turn.


So the movement would be reversed.

On 17/01/2023 23:23, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 1/17/23 12:06, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

is there a simple way to move a grc to the points of a polygon in 
reverse? Or, does one have to manipulate the points list to its inverse?


But... why? Don't you end up with the same polygon?



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Re: Standalone riddle

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

This may be how your Time Travel stack becomes self-aware.

Bob S


On Jan 15, 2023, at 19:21 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

How ironic. The stack contains the LC dictionary. I should have asked it.

Riddle solved.
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On January 15, 2023 9:06:09 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 1/15/23 15:58, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:


I think I've figured it out; the files won't be any different. Test
builds always include the remote debugger, standalones do not unless you
specifically select it in Inclusions. I didn't do that, and I have an
errorDialog handler in the stack, so I think that's causing the
appearance of the error dialog in the standalone. In the test app the
error seems to be ignored (but don't ask me why...)

Here's why. From the dictionary:

*Note:* The errorDialog message is only sent while Script Debug mode
is turned off.

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Re: Move in Reverse

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 1/17/23 12:06, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

is there a simple way to move a grc to the points of a polygon in reverse? Or, 
does one have to manipulate the points list to its inverse?


But... why? Don't you end up with the same polygon?

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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Sooo... ChatGPT gives ambiguous answers, much like humans do. But, and I don't 
want to put too fine a point on this, isn't eliminating that ambiguity why we 
created computers in the first place? ;-P

Bob S


On Jan 17, 2023, at 04:46 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

even if the same person asks the same question, multiple times, the answers
will vary, so don't be surprised.

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Re: Standalone riddle

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

That's true, but is there a way to avoid including the remote debugger in a 
test app when the device is cabled to the computer?

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On January 16, 2023 1:53:08 PM panagiotis m via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Hello all,

*>Can we turn off remote debugger for a test build so we can, how can I
say*
*it, hmm... I got it! Test?*

I think if you choose to "Select Inclusions manually" and you do not
include the Remote Debugger, it is not included in the standalone.

Kind regards,
Panos
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 at 21:43, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I don't think so, it's part of the built-in build process. I suppose you
could trawl through the IDE scripts and see if there's a scripted line
that
could be disabled.

It's never been a problem for me except in this one instance where I had
an
errorDialog handler.
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On January 16, 2023 9:02:38 AM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
 wrote:

> Can we turn off remote debugger for a test build so we can, how can I say
> it, hmm... I got it! Test?
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
Behalf
> Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 6:58 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: J. Landman Gay
> Subject: Re: Standalone riddle
>
> On 1/15/23 2:44 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> I'd be interested to see if what difference there is between the test
>> apk and the standalone builder apk. This has me a bit worried. If you
>> want to send me the 2 apks I will dive in and see at least what
>> file(s) are different.
>
> I think I've figured it out; the files won't be any different. Test
builds
> always include the remote debugger, standalones do not unless you
> specifically select it in Inclusions. I didn't do that, and I have an
> errorDialog handler in the stack, so I think that's causing the
appearance
> of the error dialog in the standalone. In the test app the error seems
to be
> ignored (but don't ask me why...)
>
> I've submitted a bug report:
> 
>
> The stack is for my own use, a very (not so attractive) minimal LC
> dictionary lookup so I can check syntax when I'm not at my computer. You
can
> download it from the report. Maybe someone else will find it useful. It
uses
> James Hale's docset for reference. I couldn't get his Docset Reader to
work
> reliably on Android, and I didn't need all the extra LC Builder and
Guides
> documentation, so this is just a stripped-down list of dictionary terms.
>
> The fix is mentioned in the report. Just comment out line 71 and
uncomment
> the line with the fix. Checking the current card before initiating a
search
> is the workaround.
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Re: Move in Reverse

[Craig Newman via use-livecode]

Roger.

I will bet that you have to get the points, write a short routine to reverse 
them, and then use that “inverted” list.

Craig

> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> is there a simple way to move a grc to the points of a polygon in reverse? 
> Or, does one have to manipulate the points list to its inverse?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Thanks Mark,

Good to know there is a workaround. 

Mark

> On 17 Jan 2023, at 5:57 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 1/17/23 01:40, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Geoff,
>> The color scheme has changed. It used to be white on blue for the 
>> highlighted tab, and black on white for the others 
>> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/7574-using-tab-buttons. I tried 
>> changing the highlight and background colors to blue using the property 
>> inspector and it changed the text color to blue but did not adjust the 
>> highlight or background. Definitely needs a bug report.
> 
> I filed a bug report on this some seven years ago when the visual aspect 
> changed. Got rejected because it was a deliberate change.
> 
> I solved my then-current problem by placing an opaque rectangle behind the 
> tab control.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17219
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Move in Reverse

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

Hi all,

is there a simple way to move a grc to the points of a polygon in reverse? Or, 
does one have to manipulate the points list to its inverse?

Thanks,

Roger
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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 1/17/23 01:40, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Geoff,

The color scheme has changed. It used to be white on blue for the highlighted 
tab, and black on white for the others 
https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/7574-using-tab-buttons. I tried changing 
the highlight and background colors to blue using the property inspector and it 
changed the text color to blue but did not adjust the highlight or background. 
Definitely needs a bug report.


I filed a bug report on this some seven years ago when the visual aspect 
changed. Got rejected because it was a deliberate change.


I solved my then-current problem by placing an opaque rectangle behind 
the tab control.


https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17219


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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Thanks Bernd, I see what you are saying. However the transparency of the 
unhighlighted tab buttons is non-standard. They are opaque in the HIG, but 
transparent in LC 9.6.8. 

Mark

 

> On 17 Jan 2023, at 1:29 pm, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have to correct correct myself.
> 
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nstabview
> 
> shows the familiar blue hilited button in the screenshot of "Date and Time" 
> in Preferences.
> 
> But if you look at a recent MacOS (12.6.2 Monterey) and go to Preferences and 
> look at "Date and Time" you see that the hilited button of tabbiew is not 
> blue anymore.
> That was what I was looking at.
> 
> Kind regards
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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode]

I have to correct correct myself.


https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nstabview

shows the familiar blue hilited button in the screenshot of "Date and Time" in 
Preferences.

But if you look at a recent MacOS (12.6.2 Monterey) and go to Preferences and 
look at "Date and Time" you see that the hilited button of tabbiew is not blue 
anymore.
That was what I was looking at.

Kind regards
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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode]

>Mark Smith wrote:
>I wasn’t able to change the background of the highlighted tab to 
>blue as per the HIG. Were you?


Oh, I overlooked that the hilited button is supposed to be blue and that there 
seems no way to configure that for the tab group in Livecode

Kind regards
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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Thanks Bernd, I wasn’t able to change the background of the highlighted tab to 
blue as per the HIG. Were you?

> On 17 Jan 2023, at 11:47 am, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Geoff and Mark,
> 
> The tab group seems to be in line with Apple's current Human Interface 
> Guidelines (HIG) for tabview.
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nstabview
> 
> The tab group in the lesson Mark linked to is a prior version of the tabview.
> 
> What seems to be different from HIG is that the textColor of the selected 
> button is not set to black (to change that set the backgroundColor of the tab 
> group to black.)
> Additionally the buttons are semi transparent which seems to deviate from the 
> HIG. There they look opaque.
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> PS mouse messages work for me in the tab buttons which is what I would expect
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

even if the same person asks the same question, multiple times, the answers
will vary, so don't be surprised.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:35 AM Kaveh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>  ChatGPT clearly likes me more that you. ;-) At least I have one friend!!!
>
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 at 06:28, Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I also used chatGPT for looking uo code and I repeated your question. But
> > this time chatGPT gives a wrong answer!
> >
> > —chatGPT:
> > You will need to specify the group that the button should be added to by
> > setting the group property of the button. The syntax for this is as
> follows:
> > set the group of button [name of button] to [name of group]
> >
> > For example, if you wanted to create a button called "myButton" and add
> it
> > to a group called "myGroup", you would use the following script:
> >
> > create button "myButton“
> >
> > set the group of button "myButton" to "myGroup"
> >
> > create button "myButton“
> > set the group of button "myButton" to „myGroup"
> > ---
> >
> > It is an error because  group is not a property of a button!
> > So, really be careful with copy programming ;-)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Torsten
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 14.01.2023 um 22:14 schrieb Kaveh via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > I just tried Google to the answer to a problem. Didn't get it first
> time,
> > > so tried ChatGPT. I asked:
> > >
> > > *How do I add a button to a group in LiveCode using a script?*
> > >
> > > I got:
> > >
> > > *create button "myButton" in group "myGroup"*
> > >
> > >
> > > *This command creates a new button object with the name "myButton" and
> > > places it inside the group "myGroup".*
> > > Just what I needed.
> > >
> > > You can also set properties of the button
> > >
> > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 20:09, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks for posting this Geoff. It’s the first time I've seen a ongoing
> > >> dialog between a programmer and Chat GPT and the first thing I am
> > struck by
> > >> (but not the only thing) is it’s ability to deal with human ambiguity.
> > For
> > >> example, you ask it to modify the code to be an “on mouseUp handler
> in a
> > >> button". But nowhere in its response is there any sign of a button. It
> > just
> > >> totally ignored that part of your request. The code it provides works
> > in a
> > >> card, a stack, a graphic image, an svg widget, in fact, in anything
> that
> > >> accepts mouseUp input. And yet, it didn’t worry itself about that.
> Very
> > >> interesting. It’s kind of like, “this works in a button, so good
> > enough”.
> > >> That is not the kind of “nuance” I am used to expecting from an AI.
> So,
> > >> progress has clearly been made in interpreting what humans say (or
> ask)
> > in
> > >> a very loose way.
> > >>
> > >> The 2nd, and perhaps more astounding example, is when you ask it to
> > >> "rewrite the code to be a function that takes an argument "n", repeats
> > with
> > >> 1 to n, and returns the results”.
> > >>
> > >> The really clever bit here is not that it rewrites the previous code
> > into
> > >> a function, but that it removes the bit about "put fizzbin into field
> > >> “display””. How does it know that putting the result in a field is NOT
> > the
> > >> typical responsibility of a function? How does it know that that step
> > needs
> > >> to occur AFTER the function call? That is so high-level that I am sure
> > lots
> > >> of beginning programmers have made that mistake. It even comments on
> it
> > in
> > >> the documentation. So there is some very deep semantic understanding
> of
> > >> programming code that is going on here. Because,  you did not ask it
> to
> > do
> > >> that, but the fact that it did it anyway indicates it clearly
> > understands
> > >> what the purpose of a function is.
> > >>
> > >> Quite weird for me to comprehend how it knows that. Unless of course,
> > you
> > >> were somehow more specific than your examples illustrate.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >>> On 14 Jan 2023, at 3:22 am, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> So just now I put this in to chatgpt:
> > >>>
> > >>> "fizz bin" is a program that counts from 1 to 100, replacing every
> > number
> > >>> divisible by 5 with "fizz" and every number divisible by 7 with
> "bin";
> > >> and
> > >>> numbers divisible by both 5 and 7 with "fizz bin". Write code in the
> > >>> programming language livecode to execute "fizz bin"
> > >>>
> > >>> This is what ChatGPT responded with:
> > >>>
> > >>> repeat with x = 1 to 100
> > >>>   if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>>   put "fizz bin"
> > >>>   else if x mod 5 = 0 then
> > >>>   put "fizz"
> > >>>   else if x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>>   put "bin"
> > >>>   else
> > >>>   put x
> > >>>   end if
> > >>> end repeat
> > >>>
> > >>> That works as-is, 

Re: Tab groups broken?

[Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode]

Hi Geoff and Mark,

The tab group seems to be in line with Apple's current Human Interface 
Guidelines (HIG) for tabview.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nstabview

The tab group in the lesson Mark linked to is a prior version of the tabview.

What seems to be different from HIG is that the textColor of the selected 
button is not set to black (to change that set the backgroundColor of the tab 
group to black.)
Additionally the buttons are semi transparent which seems to deviate from the 
HIG. There they look opaque.

Kind regards
Bernd

PS mouse messages work for me in the tab buttons which is what I would expect
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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Hi Geoff,

The color scheme has changed. It used to be white on blue for the highlighted 
tab, and black on white for the others 
https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/7574-using-tab-buttons. I tried changing 
the highlight and background colors to blue using the property inspector and it 
changed the text color to blue but did not adjust the highlight or background. 
Definitely needs a bug report. 

Mark

> On 16 Jan 2023, at 5:49 pm, Mark Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Geoff, 
> 
> I tried it here and its working ok (9.6.8 on an M1 MacBook.).
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 5:30 pm, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have LC 9.6.8 on a Mac. I drag a tab group onto a card, and it shows up
>> with the primary tab looking...disabled? And it doesn't work at all. It
>> also doesn't receive mouseUp messages?
>> 
>> So confused.
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Re: Tab groups broken?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

I fooled around with it for a minute and the colour scheme is definitely 
changed. It used to be white text on a blue background for the highlighted 
button, black on white for the non-highlighted ones. 

> On 17 Jan 2023, at 6:34 am, Geoff Canyon  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 9:49 AM Mark Smith  > wrote:
> Hi Geoff, 
> 
> I tried it here and its working ok (9.6.8 on an M1 MacBook.).
> 
> Mark
> 
> Odd -- I quit LC, restarted it, and opened the same stack, and now the tab 
> group works.
> 
> So that's good.
> 
> But the visuals of the tab group are still weird:
> 
> 1. Tab group on a standard card with no backgroundcolor (effective 
> backgroundcolor 255,255,255) -- tab group looks fine.
> 2. Set the backgroundcolor of the card to 207,207,207, and the active tab 
> looks grey and disabled -- the text is grey.
> 3. Set the backgroundcolor of the button to 255,255,255 and the text 
> disappears -- backgroundcolor is the text color on tab controls?
> 4. Set the backgroundcolor of the button to 0,0,0 and the text looks as it 
> should -- black on a white background.

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