RE: httpd library

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Happy to see there are more talented programmers who are not greedy...
Thumbs up to you.

Erik

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Andre 
Garzia via use-livecode
Sent: maandag 26 juli 2021 12:59
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Andre Garzia 
Subject: Re: httpd library

Bernard,

Thanks for the kind words my friend. :-) I can barely believe it has been 15 
years already, it feels like yesterday.

Don’t worry about the database library, I’m just going to relicense it as MIT 
which will make it free to use for all use cases.  I’m no longer providing 
support or selling software, I want to focus on books. So, if you’d like to 
support me, you can grab a book at:

https://andregarzia.com/books.html  

If you don’t want a book, but want to send some money anyway, you can “buy me a 
coffee” at:

https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia 

Warm regards
Andre

> On 26 Jul 2021, at 00:08, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andre
> 
> It was probably 15 years ago when you said "I want to build a http 
> daemon in Revolution".
> 
> You were a young man :)
> 
> BTW I've started using your dblibrary recently. If I pay for a 
> license, will you get the money?  Can you provide a link for where to 
> make the payment?
> 
> Regards, Bernard
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

After Kevin Miller explained his fight to overcome depressions at
https://annihilatedepression.com/ I can remember that Sean had already
explained his illness in a long thread some time ago.

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Sean
Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2021 17:53
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Sean Cole (Pi) 
Subject: Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

No problem, thanks Jacque.
Just to kindly correct, it's not bipolar, it's BPD, Borderline Personality
Disorder, or Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder. But in this instance
this is not an excuse I am using as I'm actually fairly in control as it
happens. I only mentioned it as a warning to to carry on pushing it.
I had made it clear, or so I thought, that anything except the specific
answer to a very specific question was unwanted. This was certainly not me
at my worst. Curry did the right thing in trying to diffuse the situation.
Only to be ruined by others disrespectfulness afterward. I am Only
disrespectful to those who show disrespect.

<
https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/borderline-personality-disorder/
symptoms/
>

Sean


On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 16:27, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Guys, Sean is bipolar. He's told us so, and it isn't entirely under 
> his control. On the other hand, it isn't pleasant and it's disruptive.
>
> Sean, the problem is, if the accusations and anger keep up, you may 
> well be banned from the list. I understand it's hard to control, but 
> you can't continue to berate people who've done you no harm and only 
> mean the best.
> From where we are, the accusations seem unreasonable. Your targets 
> don't know what they've done to make you angry.
>
> BTW, I've never blocked anyone on any list and I read everything. But 
> when you get angry, I ignore it. I know what's going on but no 
> response would help.
>
> I've also hijacked your thread and could have answered privately but I 
> thought other listers might want to know why your recent posts are so 
> combative.
>
>
>  />
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software 
> | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
>
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RE: LC Roadmap

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

LC syntax is NOT English, and understanding the difference helps.
That is really true and with LCB you are free to write any functionality.

Not one programming language/development environment is perfect and to be
clear: I like LiveCode very much too!

Nice weekend,
Erik

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of
Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Sent: zaterdag 20 februari 2021 06:06
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Curry Kenworthy 
Subject: Re: LC Roadmap


e.beugelaar at me.com:

 > https://www.b4x.com if u dont want headaches.

Thanks for the tip - looks pretty neat. I like the website.
Before going all-in with LiveCode, I did a lot with VB-style code.

HOWEVER, I don't have any big headaches, thank God!
Nor do I feel any need to try another IDE.
On the contrary: I'm enjoying LiveCode more than ever.

I'm fluent in LC syntax, so it comes as naturally as writing an email.
Fluency is underappreciated. Copy-paste coding is an alluring trap.
(LC syntax is NOT English, and understanding the difference helps.)

Being specialized, I have solid dev tactics and stick with what works.
If I take a new path, I run some tests BEFORE going too far.

So things are going well, and will only get better!
I'm also gradually creating next-gen code for my addons and general dev.
And more. Good things are on the way

That said, if I ever decide to have a headache :) it'd probably be:

- Code quality and bug density of LC Engine and Components
- Inconsistency between some LC features versus the overall paradigm

Those have obvious deficiencies, but I've noted them & adjusted tactics.
And I'll be taking action in both areas, so not too worried.

Good luck and good coding!

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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RE: Team-xAPI-in-LiveCode Update

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi Brian,

The URL is not correct.

Best regards,
Erik

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of
Brian K. Duck via use-livecode
Sent: zaterdag 13 februari 2021 09:08
To: Lists At RunRev 
Cc: Brian K. Duck 
Subject: Team-xAPI-in-LiveCode Update

Team-xAPI-in-LiveCode Update Today we published the LiveCode project to our
GitHub repository. In this update, we're adding a GitHub repository to the
Team-xAPI-in-LiveCode space under the ownership of the xAPI Cohort Spring
2021. This video shows how the repository was added, how to access the
files, and details the file structure of the sample LiveCode project that
was created by Martin Koob using the Levure framework. 

Link to view this video update on youTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLoTaimk5y8


#Team-xAPI-In-LiveCode GitHub Discussion

https://github.com/orgs/xapicohort/teams/team-xapi-in-livecode/url


Thanks @martinkoob !

Brian
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RE: Call lc from php?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

What I still miss is a Kitchen Sink desktop/mobile/server demo application
standard included
In the LiveCode distribution.
The book of Andre Garzia is a good start but it would be great to see how
you can write command-line
tools, floating desktop apps, background apps (desktop/mobile) etc. etc. in
LiveCode.
All kind of real word situations would be nice to see in a Kitchen Sink
application.

Best wishes,
Erik

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of
Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Sent: donderdag 28 januari 2021 22:06
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Curry Kenworthy 
Subject: Re: Call lc from php?


Richard:

 > For those of you who haven't seen Ralf's recent work  > on the revIgniter
site [...]

It's been on the edge of my radar, but never had a chance to use it yet. 
Thanks for the testimonial and reminder! Hope to try it later this year.

Rick:

 > Why are you still using PHP when LC is better?

Technically, depends on how you define "better."
PHP definitely wins in some areas.
And there are already a lot of well-tested tools available for PHP.

But in general, I share your sentiment. I'm "all in" for LC.

I'm one of the few who are 100% specialized in LiveCode for all development.
But I predict that will be a growing segment.

I think it's great when LC can tie into other interfaces - the more of that
the better. And PHP is a giant. Good reason to tie in. Win-win.
It will actually make even MORE projects suitable for LC.
Or easier; most of this stuff was already possible for a long time.

If a job can be done in LiveCode, that's where I'm doing it.
And it's difficult to find a job that can't be done here.
People STILL don't realize all that LC can do

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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RE: open secure socket... using certificate

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Maybe this is a possible workaround using cURL command-line utility?

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10079707/https-connection-using-curl-from-command-line

Just my 2 cents.


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Bernard 
Devlin via use-livecode
Sent: woensdag 27 januari 2021 11:48
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Bernard Devlin 
Subject: Re: open secure socket... using certificate

Hi Tom

You shouldn't get any hopes up. I'd commented in the bug report in 2014 that 
this was something that we'd been told was coming back in the days of LC 
version 2.


I think when a development environment has failed to deliver a feature from 
version 2 to version 10 that thing is never going to appear.


On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:22 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode < 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> super happy to see this, hopefully it will when i need it.
> Going to look this up.
> Wondering if it will be super hard to create certificate and make it 
> work on localhost sockets.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 2:26 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > “Using tCertificate and tKey” compiles but I don’t know how to test.  
> > It does seem like the parser doesn’t recognize those keywords.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion Erik, but I don't see from that how one
> > specifies
> > > the certificate.
> > >
> > > Regards, Bernard
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 6:03 PM Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < 
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Maybe this:
> > >>
> > >> secure socket "livecode.com:443"
> > >>
> > >> Examples:
> > >>
> > >> https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Secure_socket
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: use-livecode  On 
> > >> Behalf
> Of
> > >> Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
> > >> Sent: dinsdag 26 januari 2021 16:40
> > >> To: How to use LiveCode 
> > >> Cc: Bernard Devlin 
> > >> Subject: Re: open secure socket... using certificate
> > >>
> > >> I did. I tried these too:
> > >>
> > >> *open* *secure* socket to "localhost:443"  using certificate tc 
> > >> and
> key
> > tk
> > >>
> > >> *open* *secure* socket to "localhost:443" without verification 
> > >> using certificate tc and key tk
> > >>
> > >> When the above lines are entered in the script editor they are 
> > >> flagged
> > as
> > >> being syntax errors. In both cases it is what comes after
> "certificate"
> > >> that is flagged as a syntax error (flagged as: missing "," near "tc").
> > >> There seems to be no combination of command options that works 
> > >> with certificates.
> > >>
> > >> The fact that the Dictionary has zero information about what is
> expected
> > >> for certificate/key was not a good sign, which is why I searched 
> > >> the archive.  I just went to have a look at the code on Github 
> > >> and I can
> > seen
> > >> nothing to suggest that "using certificate and key" is implemented.
> > >>
> > >> The server and client certificate are working in a browser, so 
> > >> the
> > problem
> > >> is definitely on the LC side.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 2:34 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Did you try with “and key tKey”... it does not look like that 
> > >>> part is optional.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> According to the Dictionary in LC 9.5.1 there is this command:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> open secure socket [from [localHostName][:localPort]] [to] 
> > >>>> socketID [with message callbackMessage] [without verification] 
> > >>>> *[using certificate certificate and key key]*
> > >>>>
> >

RE: open secure socket... using certificate

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Maybe this: 

secure socket "livecode.com:443"

Examples:

https://livecode.fandom.com/wiki/Secure_socket

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Bernard 
Devlin via use-livecode
Sent: dinsdag 26 januari 2021 16:40
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Bernard Devlin 
Subject: Re: open secure socket... using certificate

I did. I tried these too:

*open* *secure* socket to "localhost:443"  using certificate tc and key tk

*open* *secure* socket to "localhost:443" without verification using 
certificate tc and key tk

When the above lines are entered in the script editor they are flagged as being 
syntax errors. In both cases it is what comes after "certificate"
that is flagged as a syntax error (flagged as: missing "," near "tc").
There seems to be no combination of command options that works with 
certificates.

The fact that the Dictionary has zero information about what is expected for 
certificate/key was not a good sign, which is why I searched the archive.  I 
just went to have a look at the code on Github and I can seen nothing to 
suggest that "using certificate and key" is implemented.

The server and client certificate are working in a browser, so the problem is 
definitely on the LC side.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 2:34 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Did you try with “and key tKey”... it does not look like that part is 
> optional.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > According to the Dictionary in LC 9.5.1 there is this command:
> >
> > open secure socket [from [localHostName][:localPort]] [to] socketID 
> > [with message callbackMessage] [without verification] *[using 
> > certificate certificate and key key]*
> >
> > However I can't get it to work.
> >
> > open secure socket to "localhost:443" using certificate
> >
> > throws a runtime error "no handler: using"
> >
> > If I use
> >
> >  open secure socket to "localhost:443"
> >
> > I get a socket connection, but all the security of a client 
> > certificate does not work
> >
> >
> > This causes a syntax error in the IDE:
> >
> >  open secure socket to "localhost:443" using certificate tName
> >
> > Looking through the archives I see that a couple of discussions 
> > where people were asking about this variant of the "open socket" 
> > command 5 to 6 years ago, *saying that the "certificate" part has 
> > not been implemented*, regardless of what the Dictionary says.
> >
> > Is it really the case that for the past 6 years LC documentation has 
> > been misleading people concerning the implementation of certificates 
> > for
> secure
> > socket connections?
> >
> > I notice in the Dictionary the entry for "open socket" in the table 
> > of options for this command has entries for "certificate" and "key", 
> > but
> these
> > are both empty.  As if these features were meant to be implemented 
> > but
> were
> > never implemented and the Dictionary was never updated to remove 
> > this misleading information.
> >
> > I just find that hard to believe.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bernard
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RE: Call lc from php?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

We do have revIgniter or am I missing the clue?

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of
Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: donderdag 21 januari 2021 21:50
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Richard Gaskin 
Subject: Re: Call lc from php?

Rick Harrison wrote:
 >> On Jan 21, 2021, at 6:13 AM, Neville Smythe wrote:
 >> A slightly less cursory investigation informs me that  >>   >  > Why are you
still using PHP when LC is better?


I agree of course that LC is a strong contender against any popular
server-side language, as LC's chunk expressions and self-documenting style
make clear.

But it isn't nearly as popular.

LC is where Ruby was before Rails: an interesting and useful language
largely underappreciated for server work.

We don't even have a single generalized user management library for LC, let
alone any of the CMSes, CRMs, LMSes, or hundreds of other categories where
PHP is well established.

So one way LC can play a growing role in server development is through
integration with existing services.

And odds are those existing services are written in PHP.

So Neville's question is one we might all ask ourselves:

How can we use LC to add new capabilities to the PHP-based systems that run
most of the online world?


For my own part I've been exploring ways LC can be usefully integrated 
with the breadth of services provided with Nextcloud, which like most 
server systems is written in PHP.

I could theoretically reinvent everything in Nextcloud using LC, but 
given the countless thousands of hours that have gone into the vast 
suite of apps that community provides, why would I?

Right out of the box I get an API for user management, with access to 
arbitrary user-specific storage via WebDAV. One line of install code 
gives me a ready-to-go backend for a wide range of apps, letting me 
focus on the client side.

Lately I've begun taking that further, poking around the server side 
similar to whatever Neville's working on, looking for ways to integrate 
LC services with the services already built into Nextcloud.

Rewriting Nextcloud from scratch would be doable but prohibitively 
expensive.  But building on top of the Nextcloud platform lets me stand 
on the shoulders of giants, to see much further than I could on my own.

Integration is increasingly a core part of what my clients ask me to do 
as well.

The days of monolithic one-size-fits-all systems are passing, if they 
haven't passed already.

 From here forward, the biggest opportunities are in integration with 
well established services.

This not only lets us focus on the specific functionality we enjoy 
building, but also carries the additional benefit for all of us in the 
LC community in introducing our favorite language into the communities 
for those systems.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  
  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com


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Advice setting up a new project

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hello All,

 

First of all I hope you all had a nice Xmas despite of all the Covid
limitations.

 

I have written in Python some crawlers in Scrapy. They are now executed via
the command terminal and are working fine however they are written with
fixed parameters and I want to make it more flexible.

 

So, I am planning to make a GUI written in LiveCode (if possible) that is
able to act as a layer over a HTML page in Chrome so the user can click on
an element in the webpage so I can read the underlying data.

It's a bit how ColorZilla is picking up a color from an HTML page.

 

I think I will use Trevor's platform for the creation of the application but
my main question is: are there examples or design patterns to implement the
point and click mechanism?

 

I know that Hermann who sadly passed away from us did a lot of amazing work
with LiveCode HTML5 but I want to develop it with my current Indy
subscription. I am aware or the Url() command.

 

Any clues will be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

Erik

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RE: Layers in PBrowser

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

In my opinion the only HTML5 visual development tool which comes close to 
cross-platform development dealing with a solid rendering  is Sencha Touch 
(Architect) but you need to learn ExtAngular or ExtReact and
It is pricey. And every tool has his pros and cons so also this one.

Just my two cents in this difficult thread.


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of 
JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
Sent: zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 17:03
To: Pi Digital via use-livecode 
Cc: JeeJeeStudio 
Subject: Re: Layers in PBrowser

Maybe switch over in time to ReactNative and Node.js using JavaScript?

I'm exploring these, cause it runs also on muliple platform, though there we're 
not as spoiled as with Livecode, but I guess most things are in your own hand 
then.

First thing i see is the almost instantly change you get to see on for example 
the Android Emulator. So it's more a website which one writes and runs almost 
everywhere with some extra functions.

Well a lot to learun for me (don't want to hijack this thread but maybe as an 
alternative, cause i saw on your website you do also JavaScript)

Op 15-8-2020 om 09:49 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:
> I give up :(
>
> Sean
>>
>>> On 15 Aug 2020, at 08:41, Pi Digital  wrote:
>>>
>>> What make you say I will? iChat reason for I have to Trust what you say. 
>>> There is NO WAY there have been no bugs in the software unless it’s 
>>> perfect. The fact there is only 16 bugs listed under LCFM tells a massive 
>>> story that no one is effing using it. The forums are empty other than 
>>> people on the FM one saying it’s not worth bothering with - unless you can 
>>> point me to crap load that says otherwise  There is NO WAY that people are 
>>> using it and not asking question about how to use it unless ALL ATTENTION 
>>> of the LC team has been drawn away to it to the detriment of everyone else 
>>> in this community meaning that the other things have effectively become 
>>> abandonware. There is literally No Evidence to back up your optimistic 
>>> claims of fortitude. PLEASE prove me wrong, I beg of you! Heather has done 
>>> a shed load of Blog posts on the LCFM site and NOTHING on the standard LC 
>>> site! HTML5 Deployment, which i am completely dependent on except for a few 
>>> other little projects here and there, is simply not being worked on despite 
>>> several reassurances from the mothership it ‘would’ be worked on. PLEASE, 
>>> prove me wrong!! Because at the moment it has left me REALLY peaved off 
>>> that the only thing they have fixed is the frikin delete key when none of 
>>> the other modifier keys, arrow keys, escape key, copy paste, or other 
>>> simple tings have been done. In over six months since I was sat at a table 
>>> with Ian from LC and literally showed him face to face the issues with it.
>>>
>>> With respect, from experience, anyone who says ‘some day you will’ is full 
>>> of crap (like some 3yr old shaking his fist at you)! Empty words. Show me 
>>> the evidence. I’ve dug deep and find nothing.
>>>
>>> Sean Cole
>>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>>>
>>>
>>> eMail Ts & Cs
>>>
>>>
>> On 15 Aug 2020, at 04:45, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>>
 On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
  wrote:

> Oh, just to summarize the issue:
> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm
 I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. 
 LCFM is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you 
 will.

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RE: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi Andre,

Book. Always.
And paperback I prefer instead of an e-book version.
I have noticed that my concentration is better by reading a real book.

Kind regards and good luck!
Erik

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of
Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Sent: dinsdag 7 juli 2020 18:27
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Andre Garzia 
Subject: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video
courses?

Hey Folks,

I have been working on some new LC content to sell. I want to transition my
career into content production and I think there is an unserved demand for
quality content for our beloved language.

I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book format or
video format. My reason to ask is because I love books but apparently people
enjoy video courses more. Some friends of mine report more revenues from
video courses than books, but doing video is harder and takes longer, so
before deciding on what medium to go for I decided to ask you all about it.

My outline is done and the research into the topics I want to cover is
almost complete. I'll soon reach the point in my production pipeline where I
need to decide which way should the content go. What do you prefer?

Best
Andre

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RE: test

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Testing one two three ;-)
You are on a mission?

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Sent: zaterdag 20 juni 2020 17:25
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: JeeJeeStudio 
Subject: test

test


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RE: Sad truth about iOS apps

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Update: You can direclty upgrade from High Sierra to Catalina using the macOS 
Catalina Patcher.
Be sure that High Sierra is up-to-date and using APFS (new Apple File System) 
instead of HFS+.

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Erik 
Beugelaar via use-livecode
Sent: zaterdag 16 mei 2020 10:38
To: 'How to use LiveCode' 
Cc: Erik Beugelaar 
Subject: RE: Sad truth about iOS apps

First you can upgrade your 'old' MacBook Pro (before mid 2012), in your case 
High Sierra, to Mojave with macOS Mojave Patcher Tool. See 
http://dosdude1.com/software.html Then you upgrade to Catalina with the macOS 
Catalina Patcher and you will be up to date.
Detailed instruction are on the website. You only loose the support of the 
extra gpu card in your MacBook Pro but if you are not playing games or other 
heavy graphical stuff you will not notice any difference.

Erik

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Graham 
Samuel via use-livecode
Sent: vrijdag 15 mei 2020 23:34
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Graham Samuel 
Subject: Re: Sad truth about iOS apps

Very sincere thanks to all who replied - I will explore all your solutions and 
insights.

If I get that far (to make an acceptable version of my app bundle) I will also 
have to solve a number of errors that the Loader reported. For instance:

> The Key UIUUserInterfaceStyle … in the Payload/Myapp.appinfo.plist is 
> invalid

Difficult, as I don’t know what that means.

I can cope with the requirement for different PNG files of certain precise 
sizes not mentioned in the LC Standalone Settings, e.g.

> The bundle does not contain an app icon for iPad of exactly '76x76' pixels, 
> in .png format for iOS versions >= 7.0. To support older operating systems, 
> the icon may be required in the bundle outside of an asset catalog. Make sure 
> the Info.plist file includes appropriate entries referencing the file.  


but the references to where they should be placed mean nothing to me. Here’s 
another one:

> ERROR ITMS-90023: "Missing required icon file. The bundle does not contain an 
> app icon for iPad of exactly '152x152' pixels, in .png format for iOS 
> versions >= 7.0. To support older operating systems, the icon may be required 
> in the bundle outside of an asset catalog. Make sure the Info.plist file 
> includes appropriate entries referencing the file. 

I had hoped that LC would look after the positioning of all this stuff for me - 
I believe I supplied all the PNGs that the LC Settings asked for, but of course 
I will check.

The Xcode documentation of course assumes that one’s app is a project within 
the XCode universe,which AFAIK doesn’t apply to LC projects, so it’s not much 
help, at least not to me.

Is there a way out of this confusion?

Graham

> On 15 May 2020, at 18:02, I wrote:
> As many of you will know, I have been struggling to create an iPhone app - 
> very unfamiliar territory for  me. It’s been an education. Without help from 
> this list and the mother ship I would have been dead in the water long ago. 
> Finally I can see the (beta version of) the app running on my iPhones - 
> yipee! The next step is to get it out there via TestFlight so that a few 
> friends can mess with it.
> 
> I just went through all the hoops with the Apple App Store to reach the magic 
> TestFlight stage, using the XCode Application Loader. Things looked good 
> until this:
> 
>> ERROR ITMS-90725: "SDK Version Issue. This app was built with the iOS 12.1 
>> SDK. New apps for iPhone or iPad must be built with the iOS 13 SDK or later.”
> 
> My iMac can only run High Sierra, and High Sierra can only run XCode 10.1, 
> and AFAIK that version of XCode only runs SDK 12.1. I think that means I get 
> a new Mac or give up.
> 
> Please tell me if I’m wrong.
> 
> Graham
> 
> PS I would really like a new Mac, but the budget is the problem!


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RE: Sad truth about iOS apps

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

First you can upgrade your 'old' MacBook Pro (before mid 2012), in your case 
High Sierra, to Mojave with macOS Mojave Patcher Tool. See 
http://dosdude1.com/software.html
Then you upgrade to Catalina with the macOS Catalina Patcher and you will be up 
to date.
Detailed instruction are on the website. You only loose the support of the 
extra gpu card in your MacBook Pro but if you are not playing games or other 
heavy graphical stuff you will not notice any difference.

Erik

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Graham 
Samuel via use-livecode
Sent: vrijdag 15 mei 2020 23:34
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Graham Samuel 
Subject: Re: Sad truth about iOS apps

Very sincere thanks to all who replied - I will explore all your solutions and 
insights.

If I get that far (to make an acceptable version of my app bundle) I will also 
have to solve a number of errors that the Loader reported. For instance:

> The Key UIUUserInterfaceStyle … in the Payload/Myapp.appinfo.plist is invalid

Difficult, as I don’t know what that means.

I can cope with the requirement for different PNG files of certain precise 
sizes not mentioned in the LC Standalone Settings, e.g.

> The bundle does not contain an app icon for iPad of exactly '76x76' pixels, 
> in .png format for iOS versions >= 7.0. To support older operating systems, 
> the icon may be required in the bundle outside of an asset catalog. Make sure 
> the Info.plist file includes appropriate entries referencing the file.  


but the references to where they should be placed mean nothing to me. Here’s 
another one:

> ERROR ITMS-90023: "Missing required icon file. The bundle does not contain an 
> app icon for iPad of exactly '152x152' pixels, in .png format for iOS 
> versions >= 7.0. To support older operating systems, the icon may be required 
> in the bundle outside of an asset catalog. Make sure the Info.plist file 
> includes appropriate entries referencing the file. 

I had hoped that LC would look after the positioning of all this stuff for me - 
I believe I supplied all the PNGs that the LC Settings asked for, but of course 
I will check.

The Xcode documentation of course assumes that one’s app is a project within 
the XCode universe,which AFAIK doesn’t apply to LC projects, so it’s not much 
help, at least not to me.

Is there a way out of this confusion?

Graham

> On 15 May 2020, at 18:02, I wrote:
> As many of you will know, I have been struggling to create an iPhone app - 
> very unfamiliar territory for  me. It’s been an education. Without help from 
> this list and the mother ship I would have been dead in the water long ago. 
> Finally I can see the (beta version of) the app running on my iPhones - 
> yipee! The next step is to get it out there via TestFlight so that a few 
> friends can mess with it.
> 
> I just went through all the hoops with the Apple App Store to reach the magic 
> TestFlight stage, using the XCode Application Loader. Things looked good 
> until this:
> 
>> ERROR ITMS-90725: "SDK Version Issue. This app was built with the iOS 12.1 
>> SDK. New apps for iPhone or iPad must be built with the iOS 13 SDK or later.”
> 
> My iMac can only run High Sierra, and High Sierra can only run XCode 10.1, 
> and AFAIK that version of XCode only runs SDK 12.1. I think that means I get 
> a new Mac or give up.
> 
> Please tell me if I’m wrong.
> 
> Graham
> 
> PS I would really like a new Mac, but the budget is the problem!


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RE: HTML Platform

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

It would be great if a lesson comes available how to create streaming apps
with LC.


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of
Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: woensdag 6 mei 2020 08:42
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Richard Gaskin 
Subject: Re: HTML Platform

Mark Wieder wrote:

On 5/5/20 4:47 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
 >> I don't use HTML deployment myself, but thought I would mention that  >>
there has been some emscripten activity in GitHub lately. Looks like  >>
WebAssembly (WASM) support is being added.
...
 >
 > Yeah, I saw the github posts come flying by, and that's a promising  >
feature, but it doesn't address the limitations and broken features of  >
the current html implementation.

In my own mind I phrase that differently.  Whether it's gentler or more
stark is up to the reader, but for me it's more:

   ...it can't address the fundamental differences between desktop
   and web architectures, and the limitations inherent in Emscripten.

Emscripten is good for what it was designed to do.  But look deeply at LC,
consider what Emscripten is, and the more time you spend pondering it the
clearer it becomes how difficult it is to put a desktop app's square peg
into a browser hole.

"Difficult" is maybe unfairly optimistic. And "impossible" never applies to
software. Perhaps "prohibitively expensive" is fair.


 > Also, it remains to be seen how much bloat this adds to deployed web
 > apps.

Putting an entire scripting engine and object model into a browser 
application that already has its own scripting engine and object model 
cannot achieve size, performance, and integration features as well as a 
web-native implementation.

If you truly need a browser as your only deployment option, it's kinda 
hard to argue against going with the grain of the browser.

But most apps that might make good candidates for LC's HTML export have 
characteristics that lend themselves very well to not doing HTML at all, 
instead using a one-time download of an LC standalone which then 
downloads and runs stack files (a practice that, in the absence of a 
more common label, I like to call "streaming apps").

Fits most of the same uses cases, but provides a more focused user 
experience that integrates with the OS as only a native app can.

Extra bonus points that they're cheap and easy to build in LC, fast 
cheaper to deliver sophisticated works than even web-native implementations.

For the sorts of vertical audiences where LC's HTML would seem 
interesting, I believe simply streaming stacks in a standalone is the 
most underappreciated and underutilized opportunity in our community.

MetaCard promoted the idea heavily with some nice example downloads, but 
in all these years only a few of us make streaming apps regularly.

If you're waiting for LC's HTML to get good, let's discuss streaming 
apps for those where they might be a great solution.  We really don't 
need to wait for anything to have the benefits of net-distributed apps. 
You can have it all today, with the LC you know and love already.

-- 
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  Fourth World Systems
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RE: Answer Dialog in Stack now

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi Bob,

Did you take into account the release notes (LiveCode 9.4) about Standalone 
Building?

StandaloneBuilding
The standalone builder has always needed to close the stacks it builds for 
reasons pretty deeplyin
grained in the code. 

However this causes a few problems, for example:
- values in script locals become empty
- behaviors are broken when the parent script is on / in a stack which closes

As an attempt to improve this situation, the code that locks messages when 
closing and openingstacks for standalone builds has been removed. 
This means that where previously mainstacks
would not receive any of the (pre)open* and close* messages (e.g. preOpenStack, 
openStack, openCard, closeStack etc) during standalone build, they now do.

If this causes problems for your stack, you can exit from the handler if 
standalone building is inprogress:

on closeStack
if the environment is "development" and \  
there is a stack "revStandaloneProgress" and \  
the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0 then
exit closeStack
end if
end closeStack

LiveCode 9.0.4 Release Notes 5/10/192

Maybe this will help.

Kind regards,
Erik



-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Bob 
Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: vrijdag 3 april 2020 00:16
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Bob Sneidar 
Subject: Re: Answer Dialog in Stack now

Also, the standalone builder altered all the paths to my stackFiles as though 
they were in the same folder as the stack itself. They are not.

I’m just going on record here to say the standalone builder at present is 
completely unusable. I’ll file a support ticket.

Bob S


On Apr 2, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Okay crisis temporarily averted. For whatever reason the Standalone Builder 
copied several Livecode UI stacks as substacks of my Mainstack! THAT’S NOT 
SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!

Bob S


On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
 wrote:

Hi all.

I just created a standalone for a new project for the first time. Now every 
time I open it, it complains that there is already and answer Dialog stack in 
memory! What’s worse, any time I use the form Answer Password I can see what I 
type!!! Livecode Devs, MAKE IT STOP!!! You cannot POSSIBLY expect new users to 
deal with this.

How do I “purge” my stack of the errant Answer Dialog?

Bob S


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RE: ChangeImage Widget

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Ah ok!
Thanks Mark.

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Mark
Wieder via use-livecode
Sent: maandag 24 februari 2020 17:49
To: Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode 
Cc: Mark Wieder 
Subject: Re: ChangeImage Widget

On 2/24/20 1:25 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello Hermann,
> 
>>From your widget page https://hyperhh.de/widgets/ I have downloaded 
>>the
> DatePicker Widget .lce but I can't find the source code.
> According on your website widgets market with * are included with 
> source code.
> Do I miss something?

If you install the widget using the Extension Manager (click on the gear
icon at the upper right, select the .lce file to install) you'll see all the
proper files in your Extensions folder, source code included.

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RE: ChangeImage Widget

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hello Hermann,

>From your widget page https://hyperhh.de/widgets/ I have downloaded the
DatePicker Widget .lce but I can't find the source code.
According on your website widgets market with * are included with source
code.
Do I miss something?

Kind regards,
Erik


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Sent: donderdag 20 februari 2020 09:48
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: hh 
Subject: ChangeImage Widget


ChangeImage Widget v106

This is a (partial) extension of the TurnImage widget (v135).
It adds masking of the images and several transition animations (from one
image to a second one). We now have zoom, barn door horiz/vert, move
horiz/vert, squeeze horiz/vert, swipe diag/horiz/vert, (perspective) turn
horiz/vert, rotate.

Download the widget and a sample stack from here:
https://hyperhh.de/widgets/changeimage.html

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Re: Achilles Heel of Livecode

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

LOL  ;-)


On 05/12/2019, 13:56, "use-livecode on behalf of Tom Glod via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Wow...I have never ever seen a website like that.  The PDF is the most
incredible piece of typesetting the world has ever seen.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 7:11 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 12/3/19 3:40 PM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode wrote:
> > My comment was meant as a joke by the way not to promote the product!The
> brochure was funny to me because of the used graphics.
>
> Yes, I got the part about it being a joke. And that pdf is unbearably
> hard to read. Nonetheless, there are some *very* interesting ideas there.
>
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Re: Achilles Heel of Livecode

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

My comment was meant as a joke by the way not to promote the product!The 
brochure was funny to me because of the used graphics.
Best,Erik




On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:26 PM +0100, "Mark Wieder via use-livecode" 
 wrote:










On 12/3/19 6:32 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode wrote:
> If you want to have a really sexy development with fancy animation stuff, 
> take a look at the brochure of WinDev.
> It's a French based company so I don't have to add any comment ;-)
> 
> https://www.pcsoft-windev-webdev.com/WX24-Features.pdf?201906121510

Thanks. Looks interesting, but appears to be Windows-only.

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Re: Achilles Heel of Livecode

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

If you want to have a really sexy development with fancy animation stuff, take 
a look at the brochure of WinDev.
It's a French based company so I don't have to add any comment ;-)

https://www.pcsoft-windev-webdev.com/WX24-Features.pdf?201906121510



On 03/12/2019, 14:50, "use-livecode on behalf of Richmond via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

OK, OK . . .

So, if I have a series of images being flipped-through inside a graphic 
'frame' and DON'T
have any *wait* statements the thing happens so quickly I cannot see the 
animation at all: so, to get
60 frames a second, presumably, one has to have a *wait 1 tick* 
statement between each frame change?

That is easy to do with frame animations . . .

Bit is it re scrolling?

On 3.12.19 15:03, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> For Mickey Mouse, he would have been updated 12 times per second, and 
almost all cartoons you’ve ever watched were animated at 12 frames per second. 
The film was projected at 24 frames per second, and all normal movies you’ve 
seen in a cinema were also at 24 frame per second. PAL TV is 25 frames per 
second, and NTSC is 30 frame per second. So, those frame rates are clearly 
acceptable.
>
> But, they are animations and not scrolling. With scrolling, updates of 12 
per second are very noticeable, and even 30 frame per second can be seen as not 
smooth. Open a browser on a mobile device and scroll the page. It’s smoothly 
updating at 60 frame per second. I think that’s what people are asking for, not 
animated GIFs.
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Re: iOS scrollers

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

I am still wondering to read issues dealing with rendering layout issues on 
mobile devices anno 2019 (almost 2020!).

In my opinion this should be an integrated part in the LiveCode engine. From my 
own experience writing your own geometric routines is never perfect and it has 
given me a lot of headaches...
It should be no issue anymore when generating desktop, mobile or webapps from 
one code library with multi-platform support.

If I am wrong then my apologies mention this.


On 01/12/2019, 05:27, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

This is a blocker for us. Adding extra space to the contentRect doesn't 
work, Swami tested it on a real iPhone 10 and it shows the same issues 
as the simulator.

If anyone has a workaround I need it real soon now. Meanwhile I'll put 
in a bug report.


On 11/30/19 8:46 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Ditto that here. I still have you with handler.
> 
> Ralph said he was added 20 the rect, so I did this.
> 
> put ("0,0," & (the formattedwidth of control pName) & "," & \
> 
> the formattedheight of control pName + 20) into tRect
> But on iPhone X increasing by a generic "20" in not enough.
> 
> I don't think users will mind if there "blank" space at end of the scroll.
> It  going to be pain to work out a fast, accurate, algorithm--fonts and 
line spacing being "all over the place."
> 
> So I'll try "50" as see what happens.
> 
> 
> the formattedheight of control pName + 50) into tRect
> BR
> 
> But in iPhone X the last one or two lines are
> cut off so you can't scroll to the bottom of the text.
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Re: html5-IDE v100_alpha

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

I should left out the world "defense"...
 
A big compliment for making this. This project shows the potential of the HTML5 
LiveCode builder beside all your other contributions related to HTML5 LiveCode 
which is a great help for others.


On 27/11/2019, 00:03, "use-livecode on behalf of hh via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

A few more words in defense of the HTML5 standalone builder:

Enjoy html5IDE v100_alpha. A LC-playground with 'integrated'
propertyInspector, dictionary, scriptEditor and tools.

http://hyperhh.de/html5/html5IDE.html

You can create objects, edit their properties and their script.
Moreover there is a Paint-section and a MessageBox.

You can save and load scripts, but not (yet) the created card.
The dictionary is a html5 version of Bernd Niggemann's tinyDict.
The script editor is based on Codemirror (MIT-licensed).

There is a compact help (btn "H" of the Tools).

There is still a lot to do...

This "IDE" is made out of 6 independent standalones (in frames)
that send messages to each other. Each of these standalones can
separately be reloaded.

** Please be patient **
Loading the standalone needs here, using Safari and a 100 MBit
connection up to 20 seconds (first time only), so up to 2 minutes
with a 16 MBit connection.

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Re: Commands on server and lack of examples

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hello Jerry,

Maybe you've already heard of revIgniter.
revIgniter is a framework to build webapps with LiveCode: 
https://github.com/revig/revigniter/
The official site is https://revigniter.com/ but is temporarily closed for 
maintenance purposes.
The documentation is excellent.

Cheers,
Erik

On 12/11/2019, 21:06, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Thank you Brian.

So actually the Dictionary needs some updates of stuff that is not an 
error but also doing nothing when used on server.


Thanks, Jerry


Op 12-11-2019 om 19:34 schreef Brian Milby via use-livecode:
> Unless you are doing a HTML5 app (entire stack resides in a web page), 
none of the GUI stuff applies.  The LC code is pretty much a replacement for 
PHP code, so the GUI piece would be the same (whatever HTML/JS frameworks you 
choose).
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Nov 12, 2019, 1:24 PM -0500, JJS via use-livecode 
, wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> i'm really curious how some things from the dictionary should work or
>> behave on server. (when filtered on server)
>>
>> And i can find almost no examples, the forum section is small, the list
>> is searchable but not easy, lessons almost nothing and mostly about
>> installing the server, dictionary only IDE examples.
>>
>> As it is serverside, how should for example a field work or a widget.
>>
>> How should on mouseUp work? i can type on mouseUp and some things in it
>> like put"hi" and then end mouseUp, no error, but nothing
>> happening either.
>>
>> Or in better words maybe, how to use a HTML button like an LC button.
>>
>> How to send data without opening another lc script, i just want to stay
>> for example on the same page, but i need the result back without the
>> whole page being reloaded.
>>
>> ( i know how to send data as i can choose categories and products and so
>> on each on their own page)
>>
>> If i need jQuery or Javascript then i can just as good go on with the
>> PHP versions i have.
>>
>> I've rewritten some html/php scripts to html/lc and now i've come to the
>> same point, there where the products should go in the basket.
>>
>> When one uses html form action="check.lc" for instance then when pushing
>> the html button it tries to open that script as a page.
>>
>> So in short what i'm asking is a lot of examples and some answers to the
>> above.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
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Re: Learning from scratch - any recommendations?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

" Try to learn Dutch, if we had'nt sold New York to the Brittish you'd all  
talk Dutch"

LOL

The other point you maybe wanted to make but forgotten is to mention The Dutch 
East India Company, officially the United East India Company (in Dutch the VOC).
VOC became the world's first formally listed public company. In other words, it 
was the first corporation to be listed on an official stock exchange. It was 
influential in the rise of corporate-led globalisation in the early modern 
period.

I am proud to be Dutch :)

On 01/11/2019, 19:29, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

quote : I hate to learn another language. That is why I live in the 
United States. /quote

If we the Dutch go to Germany we talk German, if we go to France many of 
us not all talk French, if we go to other countries we talk mainly English.

If Germans or French come to our country we talk their language or english

Try to learn Dutch, if we had'nt sold New York to the Brittish you'd all 
talk Dutch

And partly thank God it happened or we'd all would listen to Dutch music 
today and most of it i can't stand :)

there was another point i wanted to make, but during typing i forgot.


Back on topic, Java or Kotlin is something i would want to try, but it's 
more difficult, although everyone says their language is so easy. 
Livecode is best to step in.


Op 1-11-2019 om 18:52 schreef dunbarx--- via use-livecode:
> I am with Richmond, mainly.
> I hate to learn another language. That is why I live in the United States.
> LC, if you introduce only a  handful or three of native words, controls 
and concepts, is accessible to anyone with a real desire to learn this sort of 
thing. Even a first grader; they just need more mentoring. Even someone who did 
not know they would like to build stuff in software.
> The trick is the engagement, to make it seem cool and fun.
> Craig
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: Richmond Mathewson 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 12:59 pm
> Subject: Re: Learning from scratch - any recommendations?
>
> I have a radical disagreement with Scratch and its ilk as, while it does
> allow one to run up simple computer games, it does not let users see the
> "guts" of a program, and seems not to give children transferrable skill 
for
> non-block programming languages. I have successfully started kids from 9
> years old and upward on programming with both BBC BASIC and Livecode.
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 6:00 PM kee nethery via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> My recommendation is to have them start with scratch.mit.edu and spend a
>> month making stuff with that language. Scratch is built for 1st graders 
to
>> pick up and it is extremely satisfying as the starter language. They get
>> exposed to all sorts of concepts, message passing, variables, flow 
control,
>> multi-processing, it’s a great starter language. A month making stuff and
>> then move to livecode.
>>
>> Kee
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> I was disappointed that I only got one reply to my query about LC as a
>> platform for learning programming - I thought this was a big thing with
>> quite a few people on this list, some of whom are actually educators. 
Since
>> I’ve failed in this, can someone suggest a better way of getting an 
answer
>> (e.g. forums, mother ship)?
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>
 I have been approached by one of my family to ask what would be the
>> first steps for someone (a young adult) to enable them to enter the world
>> of app design and programming. Obviously I need to ask more questions
>> myself, such as whether this would be to get a job, or simply as an
>> educational exercise, or maybe to provide a launchpad for a startup idea.
>> However, even at this stage, of course my thoughts turned to LiveCode.
 So my question to the community is, how would such a person start off -
>> assuming they’re intelligent, very familiar with consumer-level 
technology
>> such as smart phones, tablets, laptop computers for study etc. and social
>> media, but probably have never seen or thought about what is involved in
>> designing, implementing and publishing an app (I would just say “a
>> program”, but that shows how old I am) on any platform? If it is LC (and
>> why not?), are the published lessons sufficient? What is the view of 
those
>> on this list who do actually teach this stuff?
 The trouble for me is that I have been around all this for 50 years
>> (more, to be truthful) and so can’t 

Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Richard, no problem checking. It looks promising.

A little bit of myself and a very late introduction ;-)  
I have been following LiveCode from 2010 resulting in a license of 5.5. Because 
of my professional work (Visual Basic 6/T-SQL followed up by C#/SQL Server/ASP 
.NET until now and a bit of Dart/Flutter) I had not enough time to put my hands 
really on it but reading the docs, the forum and RunRev Magazine (!) was a 
pleasant hobby in my spare time. In 2014 I was contacted by Packt Publishing if 
I was interested in reviewing a new book called LiveCode Mobile Development 
Cook Book written by Dr. Edward Lavieri, https://www.shorturl.at/bMR27  If you 
scroll down you can read why I was interested doing the review. I like to do 
programming using visual development tools because it was a blessing after 
developing business apps with good old Clipper (5.x using OO libraries) so many 
years in qEdit (!). I knew from Kevin in 2014 that HQ was working hard to 
implement an open standard as replacement of the old way extensions were built 
in 5.5. That process took some time so I didn't renew my license. When it 
became interesting (FFi implementation) I renewed my license from 6.x up till 
now (Indy). 
Because of a professional switch in my career, I now have more time to dive 
really deep in the philosophy of LiveCode and become a contributing member 
starting first to refresh my knowledge about the messaging system, design 
patterns (Levure!) etc, LiveCode Script ending with LiveCode Builder. My hands 
are burning!
I have collected an intensive folder with libraries, scripts etc from die hard 
LiveCode developers I followed all the years so I hope within a period of 6 
months to be comfortable writing programs in LiveCode and help fixing the bug 
list ;-)

All the best,
Erik Beugelaar
https://www.solidit.nl
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On 28/10/2019, 03:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Erik Beugelaar wrote:
> Me too no problems loading GoLiveNet  (LiveCode 9.5 Indy)

Thanks for checking that, Erik.  If you do come across an issue please 
let me know. I have contact info in LiveNet, and of course you can 
always write me at the address below.

LiveNet is fairly simple today, mostly serving as an example of the ease 
and utility of downloaded stack files. But I have some plans for 
expanding it if I can get the time, so keeping the current underpinnings 
working well through LC changes remains a keen interest.

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Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Me too no problems loading GoLiveNet  (LiveCode 9.5 Indy)

On 27/10/2019, 04:06, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

A bit ago I wrote:

> hh wrote:
>> Also your "GoLiveNet" (I really liked it) is unusable since more than a
>> year from Mac using Indy or Business (I wrote you and gave up).
>>
>> [It errors with message 'Error downloading URL "liveNet.livecode.gz".
>> Check network connection and proxy setup.'
>> One has to quit, open it in a community edition, quit community edition,
>> restart the Indy/Bussiness edition and relaunch GoLiveNet (that now can
>> use the cache).
> 
> Check your spam bin.  I recall thanking you for your report, and also 
> noting in my reply that I was unable to reproduce it.  I just tried it 
> again a moment ago - same good result.
> 
> I can check on macOS and Windows when I'm back in the office.  May be 
> good to know which you're using.
> 
> At the moment I'm running Ubuntu 18.04, and I do nearly all of my work 
> with an Indy edition, currently 9.5 on this laptop.

FWIW I just ran Development -> Plugins -> GoLiveNet on macOS "Catalina" 
and Windows 10 v1909, and it loaded without issue.

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Re: ... in iOS 13....

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Yeah, I understand. Beyond the desktop and behind the scenes it's definitely 
Linux playing the piano.
I was joking about .NET... ;)

And when I look at my kept ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64 and an ATARI XL and the 
way I programmed my sprites etc. compared to the modern tools I am using 
nowadays, I am still surprised everyday how fast it's going... and how fast you 
get old :) 

Cheers, Erik


On 20/10/2019, 22:23, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

I was thinking of something more penguin-flavored when I wrote:

...if such an OS were also the de facto standard of modern
computing in all areas beyond the desktop...

Microsoft Windows owns the desktop.  There, both macOS and Linux are 
niche players.

But everywhere else, Linux has become the de facto standard of modern 
computing.

See also:

 ...all the while your bread-and-butter development system would 
always
 remain something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any
 single corporation

#lulz
#ignoremeimjustafanboy

:)

-- 
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   Fourth World Systems


Erik Beugelaar wrote:

> LOL!
> 
> Then this is what you are looking for ->
> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/
> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/iot
> 
> Ar... Windows is all you need! __
> 
> 
>  On 20/10/2019, 20:22, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>   Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>   > Bill: A few us at the monastery run 32bit applications that have
>   > announced EOL
>   > due to Catalina… as are many programs: the market share does not
>   > warrant ROI
>   > for developing 64bit… (including my old favorite DragThing ☹)
>   >
>   > Our tech team (supersavvy network/server admins) have set up 
> Parallels
>   > for one
>   > of us, and they say he will be able to run a 32bit astrology
>   > application "forever" .
>   >
>   > What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings
>   > won’t allow
>   > booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my
>   > option of
>   > having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software.
>   >
>   > Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just 
> being
>   > paranoid
>   > (totally justifiably)
> 
> 
>   If only there was an operating system designed by and for developers,
>   supported by a vast ecosystem that values control, customization, and
>   interoperability
> 
>   How unimaginibably cool would it be if such an OS were also the de 
> facto
>   standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop, giving 
> you
>   the confidence that the system in your hands works just like the 
> others
>   you use in servers, IoT devices, and everything else in the
>   ubiquitous-computing world you design for
> 
>   If only such a thing existed, you could still enjoy every other OS
>   LiveCode runs on for testing, deployment, and support, or even for 
> some
>   end-user tasks like specialized kinds of media production. Consumer
>   electronics appliances could be enjoyed for what they are, and all 
> the
>   while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain
>   something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single
>   corporation
> 
>   #LivingTheDream
> 
>   ;)
> 
>   --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the 
> Web
>  
> 
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com
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Re: ... in iOS 13....

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

LOL!

Then this is what you are looking for -> 
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/iot

Ar... Windows is all you need! __


On 20/10/2019, 20:22, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:
> Bill: A few us at the monastery run 32bit applications that have 
> announced EOL
> due to Catalina… as are many programs: the market share does not 
> warrant ROI
> for developing 64bit… (including my old favorite DragThing ☹)
> 
> Our tech team (supersavvy network/server admins) have set up Parallels 
> for one
> of us, and they say he will be able to run a 32bit astrology 
> application "forever" .
> 
> What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings 
> won’t allow
> booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my 
> option of
> having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software.
> 
> Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being 
> paranoid
> (totally justifiably)


If only there was an operating system designed by and for developers, 
supported by a vast ecosystem that values control, customization, and 
interoperability

How unimaginibably cool would it be if such an OS were also the de facto 
standard of modern computing in all areas beyond the desktop, giving you 
the confidence that the system in your hands works just like the others 
you use in servers, IoT devices, and everything else in the 
ubiquitous-computing world you design for

If only such a thing existed, you could still enjoy every other OS 
LiveCode runs on for testing, deployment, and support, or even for some 
end-user tasks like specialized kinds of media production. Consumer 
electronics appliances could be enjoyed for what they are, and all the 
while your bread-and-butter development system would always remain 
something that prioritizes your preferences over those of any single 
corporation

#LivingTheDream

;)

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Re: ... in iOS 13....

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Forget to mention: when you start with this kind of procedures I always boot in 
Recovery Mode and make a full image via Disk Utility to an external disk!!!
I have used in the past also Carbo Copy Cloner but an image contains also your 
EFI and firmware setting. Never had any problems restoring an image.

My two cents.

On 20/10/2019, 19:53, "use-livecode on behalf of Erik Beugelaar via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Bill,
I haven't tried yet but this link will help you maybe: 
https://www.howtoisolve.com/dual-boot-mac-install-macos-catalina-macos-mojave-two-macos-on-different-partition/
Regards,
Erik


On 20/10/2019, 19:13, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Folks:
I have a bit of a worry about the Apple Catalina update. I want to keep 
a bootable copy of the latest Mojave OS on an external disc. That way I can run 
any older 32 bit programs I might need. However, I have a backup program 
(Tri-Backup) that says it can’t make a bootable drive because of Apple 
security. That has raised a bit of a red flag to me. 

Currently, I use SuperDuper to make a bootable backup. SuperDuper isn’t 
updated for Catalina yet, it seems.

What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings 
won’t allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my 
option of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software.

Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being 
paranoid (totally justifiably).
Best,
Bill

PS: sorry if this is a duplicate.

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but 
that seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, 
Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I 
have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though.
> 
> 
> 
> OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can 
be found here: 
https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ incase 
people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: JJS 
> Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52
> To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode 

> Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13
> 
> 
> 
> It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind 
https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux 
working too.
> 
> I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, 
unplug power cable seems to trigger something.
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/
> 
> Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar:
> The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is 
you cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS 
version without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's).
> And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC 
hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS 
and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's  T2 
Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 
2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know.
> Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the 
past, I don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It 
has saved me a lot of frustrations...
> But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC 
(Windows/Linux) machines.
> 
> On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via 
use-livecode"  wrote:
> 
> What's unfair about it. Don't be offended.
> 
> It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, 
they 
> have also good things. It's just an opinion.
> 
> I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this 
list 
> than i see about Windows or Linux or Android.
> 
> And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards 
compatible. 
> (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike 
pour 
> over it)
> 
> A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is 
because they 
> want to show off that they can afford it, 

Re: ... in iOS 13....

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Bill,
I haven't tried yet but this link will help you maybe: 
https://www.howtoisolve.com/dual-boot-mac-install-macos-catalina-macos-mojave-two-macos-on-different-partition/
Regards,
Erik


On 20/10/2019, 19:13, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Folks:
I have a bit of a worry about the Apple Catalina update. I want to keep a 
bootable copy of the latest Mojave OS on an external disc. That way I can run 
any older 32 bit programs I might need. However, I have a backup program 
(Tri-Backup) that says it can’t make a bootable drive because of Apple 
security. That has raised a bit of a red flag to me. 

Currently, I use SuperDuper to make a bootable backup. SuperDuper isn’t 
updated for Catalina yet, it seems.

What my worry is, is that perhaps Catalina’s new security settings won’t 
allow booting from an external drive. That would completely eliminate my option 
of having a 32 bit OS option for running older 32 bit software.

Anybody have any info relevant to this issue? Or perhaps I’m just being 
paranoid (totally justifiably).
Best,
Bill

PS: sorry if this is a duplicate.

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but 
that seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, 
Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I 
have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though.
> 
> 
> 
> OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can be 
found here: 
https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ incase 
people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: JJS 
> Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52
> To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode 

> Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13
> 
> 
> 
> It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind 
https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux 
working too.
> 
> I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, unplug 
power cable seems to trigger something.
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/
> 
> Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar:
> The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you 
cannot use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version 
without buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's).
> And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC 
hardware are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS 
and Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's  T2 
Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 
2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know.
> Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I 
don't upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has 
saved me a lot of frustrations...
> But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC 
(Windows/Linux) machines.
> 
> On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" 
 wrote:
> 
> What's unfair about it. Don't be offended.
> 
> It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, 
they 
> have also good things. It's just an opinion.
> 
> I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list 
> than i see about Windows or Linux or Android.
> 
> And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. 
> (for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour 
> over it)
> 
> A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because 
they 
> want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it 
> would be better or easier.
> 
> I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except 
many 
> customer are not ready. But slowly moving on.
> 
> If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose 
not 
> to go for.
> 
> 
> Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:
> > Jjs
> >
> > That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite 
likely it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL 
OS systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at a

Re: ... in iOS 13....

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Yes, I think you are right. I just dive into it after a long time but that 
seems indeed the problem. As you know, running macOS from Hackintosh’s, 
Security Boot must be disabled so as SIP (because of patching during boot). I 
have not test yet to install Linux on my MacBook Pro though.

 

 OT: An interesting thread about running Catalina on older Mac’s can be found 
here: https://macandegg.com/2019/07/macos-catalina-patcher-10-15-on-old-macs/ 
incase people want to install it on Mac ‘s before mid 2012.

 

 

From: JJS 
Date: Sunday, 20 October 2019 at 12:52
To: Erik Beugelaar , How to use LiveCode 

Subject: Re: ... in iOS 13

 

It seems that when Secure Boot and SIP is disabled, then using Refind 
https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html as bootloader you can get Linux 
working too.

I saw some discussions about the T2 and issues when powering off, unplug power 
cable seems to trigger something.

https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/thread/1475e30077/

Op 20-10-2019 om 11:40 schreef Erik Beugelaar:
The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you cannot 
use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version without 
buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's).
And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC hardware 
are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS and 
Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's  T2 
Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 
2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know.
Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I don't 
upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has saved me 
a lot of frustrations...
But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC 
(Windows/Linux) machines.
 
On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" 
 wrote:
 
    What's unfair about it. Don't be offended.
    
It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they 
have also good things. It's just an opinion.
    
I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list 
than i see about Windows or Linux or Android.
    
And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. 
(for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour 
over it)
    
A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they 
want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it 
would be better or easier.
    
I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many 
customer are not ready. But slowly moving on.
    
If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not 
to go for.
    

Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:
    > Jjs
    >
    > That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite likely 
it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL OS 
systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay 
stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one 
that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love to 
know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my 
customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap of 
testing and long term experience are iPad Pro and Macs. Even my ipad2 is 
shockingly more reliable than any of my top end Samsung tabs (unless I strip 
them right down and use custom OS).
    >
    > To confirm, I’m not offended or upset. I just think the comment was 
unfair and exaggerated. They break for sure, but not to the extent to ‘refuse’ 
it. Roids way of avoiding breaking is to only offer minor device OS updates and 
expect you to bin old devices after a couple of years (apposed to the 6-8years 
for Apple).
    >
    > Peace.
    >
    > Sean Cole
    > Pi Digital Prod Ltd
    >
    >> On 19 Oct 2019, at 16:57, Jjs via use-livecode 
 wrote:
    >>
    >> Who still wants Apple or iOs, everything breaks with them. They never 
heard of backwards compatibility. If someone wants Apple or iOs, just refuse 
it. To much hassle, and costs to much.
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Re: ... in iOS 13....

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

The only thing what I don't like about the update policy of Apple is you cannot 
use new apps from the Store if you cannot update to a new iOS version without 
buying new hardware from Apple (esp. iPad's).
And yes, the costs of the same specs of Apple hardware compared to PC hardware 
are still 2 or 3 times more BUT the advantage is that you can run iOS and 
Windows natively on the same machine. Since the introduction of Apple's  T2 
Security Chip it isn't possible to boot Linux on new Apple hardware like the 
2018 MacBook Pro and Mac Mini anymore as far as I know.
Furthermore, because of bad experiences upgrading macOS's in the past, I don't 
upgrade to a the newest macOS version if there is no need for. It has saved me 
a lot of frustrations...
But I am not an advocate, I both like to work on Apple (macOS) and PC 
(Windows/Linux) machines.

On 20/10/2019, 11:18, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

What's unfair about it. Don't be offended.

It's not against you or LC, it's not even entirely against Apple, they 
have also good things. It's just an opinion.

I believe there are more discussions about Apple issues on this list 
than i see about Windows or Linux or Android.

And for all 3 OS i also believe they are better backwards compatible. 
(for Android i'm not talking about the sauce samsung and thelike pour 
over it)

A lot of people i see who have an Macbook or iOs device, is because they 
want to show off that they can afford it, not of the reason that it 
would be better or easier.

I also understand that they want to close 32bit and move on, except many 
customer are not ready. But slowly moving on.

If people want it it's ok, but i see a lot of hassle that i choose not 
to go for.


Op 19-10-2019 om 22:36 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:
> Jjs
>
> That’s an unfair statement, especially based on topic. It is quite likely 
it is only a tiny update for Monte to fix. My experience says that ALL OS 
systems/devices break bar none unless they don’t update at all and stay 
stagnant. So which system do you prefer JJS? And remember only to mention one 
that is completely infallible and never likely to break. Id especially love to 
know a device name that is completely 100% future proof I can pitch to my 
customers. As yet, the ‘most’ reliable I have found from a whole heap of 
testing and long term experience are iPad Pro and Macs. Even my ipad2 is 
shockingly more reliable than any of my top end Samsung tabs (unless I strip 
them right down and use custom OS).
>
> To confirm, I’m not offended or upset. I just think the comment was 
unfair and exaggerated. They break for sure, but not to the extent to ‘refuse’ 
it. Roids way of avoiding breaking is to only offer minor device OS updates and 
expect you to bin old devices after a couple of years (apposed to the 6-8years 
for Apple).
>
> Peace.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Prod Ltd
>
>> On 19 Oct 2019, at 16:57, Jjs via use-livecode 
 wrote:
>>
>> Who still wants Apple or iOs, everything breaks with them. They never 
heard of backwards compatibility. If someone wants Apple or iOs, just refuse 
it. To much hassle, and costs to much.
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Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Exactly, patching does the magic __

On 14/10/2019, 22:49, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

clover is the bootloader.

You still need the kexts (but you know, else you would not use it)

Op 14-10-2019 om 22:10 schreef Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode:
> That is why I rely for the last 10 years on myself built Hackintosh 
systems. They run faster for less money and they are modular and easy to 
upgrade.
> With the introduction of Clover it has never been a problem to use 
hardware components (especially graphic cards, wifi/bt cards, sound cards etc.) 
which were not supported by Apple anymore.
>   
> On 14/10/2019, 21:58, "use-livecode on behalf of Dar Scott Consulting 
via use-livecode"  wrote:
>
>  Catalina does not recognize the bootloader for atmega32u4 Arduino 
boards such as Leonardo. The IDE 1.8.10 avr toolchain works (64-bit); this is 
not related to 32-bit.
>  
>  Catalina does not recognize the AdaFruit Feather ...BOOT drives. 
Actually this started with macOS 10.14.4. According to Dan Halbert, "Apple 
changed how USB devices are recognized on certain Macs", creating a timing 
problem. AdaFruit has a fix.
>  
>  There are some indications that some USB devices made with Jan 
Atkinson's examples are having problems on Catalina on some hardware.
>  
>  I don't know if Apple is stepping outside USB specs or is pushing 
the specs. Or whether the small board community has been spec-lax.
>  
>  Not directly LiveCode related, but more reason to hesitate, 
especially for gadget folks like me.
>  
>  Dar Scott
>  Mad Scientist
>  
>  
>  
>  
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Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

That is why I rely for the last 10 years on myself built Hackintosh systems. 
They run faster for less money and they are modular and easy to upgrade. 
With the introduction of Clover it has never been a problem to use hardware 
components (especially graphic cards, wifi/bt cards, sound cards etc.) which 
were not supported by Apple anymore.
 
On 14/10/2019, 21:58, "use-livecode on behalf of Dar Scott Consulting via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Catalina does not recognize the bootloader for atmega32u4 Arduino boards 
such as Leonardo. The IDE 1.8.10 avr toolchain works (64-bit); this is not 
related to 32-bit. 

Catalina does not recognize the AdaFruit Feather ...BOOT drives. Actually 
this started with macOS 10.14.4. According to Dan Halbert, "Apple changed how 
USB devices are recognized on certain Macs", creating a timing problem. 
AdaFruit has a fix.

There are some indications that some USB devices made with Jan Atkinson's 
examples are having problems on Catalina on some hardware.

I don't know if Apple is stepping outside USB specs or is pushing the 
specs. Or whether the small board community has been spec-lax. 

Not directly LiveCode related, but more reason to hesitate, especially for 
gadget folks like me. 

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Re: LiveCode now #49 at TIOBE Index!

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

In my working life as an ict-engineer it was most of the times Microsoft 
related, so starting with Visual Basic 6/SQL Server decades ago and ending up 
with .NET/C# nowadays not to mention the SharePoint (365) and BizTalk 
implementations... But I must say I have only worked for companies who were 
Microsoft Dev Partners.


On 06/10/2019, 17:37, "use-livecode on behalf of Jjs via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Well in terms of jobs here in NL, most asked is Java, PHP, 
JavaScript,C++,SQL and a few others. The rest almost never.

Richmond via use-livecode  schreef op 6 
oktober 2019 08:37:13 CEST:
>
>
>On 6.10.19 1:59, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 10/5/19 3:36 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> But this month LC broke new ground:
>>>
>>> For the first time since I've been tracking TIOBE, LC IS NOW IN THE 
>>> UPPER 50, ranked as the 49th most popular language:
>>>
>>> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
>>
>> Great news!, I think... note that the TIOBE rating is based on lines 
>> of code written, not popularity.
>
>Lines of code written where?
>
>Lines of code written in what context?
>
>Are the TIOBE people able to stick their virtual noses into every 
>computer on the planet
>and see who is doing what with what programming language?
>
>This all seems a bit specious.
>
>Frankly I'd be far, far more interested to know in what contexts 
>different programming languages are used.
>
>Over here, in Bulgaria, something like 90% of IT companies are hooked
>on 
>C++, and the rest on C#,
>while high schools seem to be split between C++/# and Visual BASIC. But
>
>Bulgaria is an "ever so slightly
>retro" country that is very small indeed, so, statistically probably
>has 
>very little bearing on the global
>situation.
>>
>> I'm not fond of metrics based on lines of code written. Since
>LiveCode 
>> packs so much power into a single statement vs the number of line of 
>> code it takes to do the same job in most other languages, I'd think 
>> that we're actually much higher in the standings than a simple 
>> quantitative statistic would indicate.
>
>Indeed.
>
>And quantative is not necessarily qualitative.
>>
>> What did we knock out of place to get there? I see we're only 0.001% 
>> above Crystal, whatever that is.
>? Meth ?
>
>The fact that LiveCode is at position 49 is, nevertheless, good, as it 
>might attract the attention
>of the sort of people who make decisions of what sort of programming 
>language to use on
>its popularity: and while that might seem a bit naff, every little 
>advance helps.
>
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Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Brian, thanks for your quick info.
Good to hear they do accept contributions and merge them in the commercial 
versions.


On 03/10/2019, 19:55, "use-livecode on behalf of Brian Milby via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Part of the agreement that you make when you submit a PR is that you assign 
rights for the fixes to LC so the code can be integrated into the commercial 
versions.  You can’t mix the code on GitHub with the commercial versions 
yourself though.

I have submitted stuff that is now in released versions, so they do accept 
contributions (and not everything was strictly bug fixes).

Thanks,
Brian
On Oct 3, 2019, 1:48 PM -0400, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Does anyone know if you fork the Community Edition of LiveCode, solve 
bugs (e.g. IDE-related, plugins etc.), compile the LC version again and 
integrate it to the Indy version?
> Or is this just not possible because of the closed source of the engine?
>
> On 03/10/2019, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Wieder via 
use-livecode"  wrote:
>
> On 10/3/19 8:47 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > > All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again?
> > >
> >
> > I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong.
>
> Additionally, the patch that Mark Waddingham just implemented related to
> the frozen pool (I am the walrus?) affecting debugging is encouraging.
>
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Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi,

I would advise this hardware:

- LGA 1152 motherboard (with PCIe ports)
- Intel i5 processor
- 8GB RAM or more
- 256GB SSD or better 256GB M.2 NVMe if supported by your Mac

OR use VM's (which I am using on a 32GB Mac machine):

- Expand your current RAM in your Mac to at least 16GB or more if possible
- Replace all mechanical HDD's with SATA SSD or even better M.2 NVMe SSD 
(minimum 512GB)
- Use Parallels Desktop

Just my 2 cents...

On 03/10/2019, 19:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Martin Koob via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Hi

I need to buy a new desktop PC to be used for LiveCode development 
including using the new camera control and the player as I am working on a 
cross platform application for Mac and Windows. 

I have been developing the application  on on a Mac to this point but need 
to have the PC for testing and debugging in a Windows environment. 

Being a Mac guy I am not sure what I should look for in a PC— processor, 
speed, RAM, etc. I bought a cheap desktop  PC, an Acer AXC-230 a year or so ago 
for that purpose but that is painfully slow. So I don’t want to make that 
mistake again. 

With the comments on speed problems on Windows in the earlier thread I 
don’t want to get something underpowered. 

Any suggestions? What are people using?

Thanks in advance. 

Martin Koob

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Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Does anyone know if you fork the Community Edition of LiveCode, solve bugs 
(e.g. IDE-related, plugins etc.), compile  the LC version again and integrate 
it to the Indy version?
Or is this just not possible because of the closed source of the engine?

On 03/10/2019, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Wieder via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

On 10/3/19 8:47 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:

>> All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again?
>>
> 
> I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong.

Additionally, the patch that Mark Waddingham just implemented related to 
the frozen pool (I am the walrus?) affecting debugging is encouraging.

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Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hello Panos,

Maybe an idea to update the list on https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ 
supporting 10.14.x macOS versions?

Regards,

Erik

 

From: panagiotis merakos 
Date: Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Erik Beugelaar 
Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?

 

Hello all,

 

For this combination you need Xcode 10.1.

 

Kind regards,

Panos

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Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-Device_Development.29

Cheers, Erik

On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Good Morning!   I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS  10.14.6.  What version of 
Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development?

That's in advance!
-Dan

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Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?

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Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-Device_Development.29

Cheers, Erik

On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Good Morning!   I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS  10.14.6.  What version of 
Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development?

That's in advance!
-Dan

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Re: Is HTML5 really practical?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Maybe this framework is usefull:


https://revigniter.com/




Cheers,


Erik




On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 11:44 PM +0200, "Alain Vezina via use-livecode" 
 wrote:










I've been working with HTML5 for a few weeks now and I'm surprised that we 
can't do things as simple as put field "MyFld" into aVar.
So I doubt we can use a dynamic database. But there is nothing better than 
trying by testing aspects in a way that doesn't take too long, even if the 
dictionary doesn't always tell us what HTML5 can do.

Consider this my point of view as an old LC programmer and a beginner in HTML5.

Alain Vezina

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator 


> Le 30 août 2019 à 16:42, William Prothero via use-livecode  a écrit :
> 
> Folks:
> I’m considering making a web site that will use livecode’s html5 engine. Is 
> this practical? 
> 
> What I want to create is a signup system for a kayaking club. Paddles are 
> scheduled for each week and members enter their names for various paddle 
> times. The member list would be in a database and there would also be a 
> membership page with entries for various aspects of their skill levels.
> 
> HH’s demos see to show reasonable engine load times, but I’m wondering 
> whether it might be easier and better to just use the engine as a cgi and do 
> everything in css and html.
> 
> Frankly, I haven’t seen any compelling use case for livecode's html5. Is 
> there one, at this time?
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
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Re: Compiling Livecode

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Very interesting...
Thanks for sharing this info.

On 09/03/2019, 17:38, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

David Bovill wrote:

 > No one using docker?

https://hub.docker.com/r/techstrategies/livecode/

--
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  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  
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Re: Compiling Livecode

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For multi-platform development I prefer a MacBook Pro (16GB+ and 500+ SSD) with 
Parallels Desktop installed for testing/developing on both Linux and Windows.

Just my 2 cents.

On 05/03/2019, 20:40, "use-livecode on behalf of David Bovill via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

I'll be testing on latest OSX.

I'm considering buying a new laptop set up for development of this sort.
Will probably get another OSX laptop - but may consider getting a Linux
beast if the development environment works well? I wonder what the best
set-up is for developing for Livecode - including fancy low level stuff?

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 14:01, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The target platform link provides more details.  Trevor put some help up
> for getting Windows versions to compile.  I’ve compiled Mac and Linux.
> What OS/Version will you be using?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Mar 5, 2019, 7:35 AM -0500, David Bovill via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > I'm reading up on compiling Livecode from source - will take the plunge
> in
> > the coming days - would like to read up on it. The docs here
> >  are sparse... anyone written up
> > their experience?
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 at 09:07, David Bovill 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I’ve searched around but still nothing I can find regarding tree
> shaking /
> > > dead code elimination in C++.
> > >
> > > What I want to be able to do is not compile the whole engine, just the
> > > code needed for the execution of the cgi. Is this possible? Is this on
> the
> > > road map?
> > >
> > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 at 18:38, David Bovill 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I understand that Livecode uses the LLVM compiler infrastructure to
> > > > create llvm bytecode that for instance emscripten can use to
> transpile to
> > > > javascript. I'm wandering if it is possible to do things like:
> > > >
> > > > - Export the server engine to llvm bytecode?
> > > > - Take a some livecode script, do some tree shaking and get some 
nice
> > > > compact bytecode export that uses only the bits needed by the
> livecode
> > > > script?
> > > >
> > > > Is any of this possible now, is it planned for or looks like it may
> be
> > > > possible in the nearish future / next couple of years?
> > > >
> > >
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Re: What do we know about LC 10?

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In my opinion the focus should be on performance which has been slow down 
approx. 9 times compared to version 6.
You can build as much as “features” as you want but this should never hit the 
performance of the product. 
Just my two cents.




On 31/08/2018, 06:41, "use-livecode on behalf of Brian Milby via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

>Isn’t this somewhat possible in LCB now? I know there isn’t really any 
>documentation on how to write the syntax, but there are the examples of the 
>built in libraries. But, the added syntax would only work in LCB code.
>
>Thanks,
>Brian
>On Aug 30, 2018, 11:31 PM -0500, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>, wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:42 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder if Open Language will get some attention..
>> >
>>
>> Open Language was always my favorite feature. I'd still like to be able to
>> grow/morph the syntax.
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Re: What do we know about LC 10?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

James, considering the previous upgrade steps to major upgrades (eg. 5.x -> 6.x 
-> 7.x -> 8.x -> 9.01) I think it will take at least a year or so we can expect 
an major upgrade to LiveCode 10. Who knows? Kevin for sure ;-) 

Cheers,
Erik




On 30/08/2018, 01:59, "use-livecode on behalf of James At The Hale via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

>I am all for seeing where things might be headed, but I am really more 
>interested in getting to where they WERE headed first.
>We still have the completion of Infinite Livecode to be delivered (the fully 
>documented examples etc), we still have DG2 to be completed.
>Given the time being taken to finally deliver on these I wouldn’t hold my 
>breathe for promises about a mythical 10.
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ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi All,

 

Starting from August 2018 for new apps and November 2018 for existing apps,
Google will force developers to set the targetSdkVersion to 26+:

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-and
-performance.html

 

Cheers,

Erik

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Re: SQL Help

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Group by




Get Outlook for Android







On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 7:45 PM +0200, "Bob Sneidar via use-livecode" 
 wrote:










That will only return the maximum value, not the record itself. 

Bob S


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 20:01 , prothero--- via use-livecode  wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking something like:
> 
> Select max(“iStoreGrp”) from “valveFlowsA” where (“valveNum”=n1 AND 
> “meterNum”=n2)
> 
> Then I have to sort out how to put the statement in a string that can be sent 
> to php.
> 
> Does this seem reasonable? I’ll find out tomorrow.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero

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Re: Windows 10 and LC9.0

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Maybe an idea for the mothership to setup an survey like they did with the 
HTML5 campaign.

Survey containing for example questions about:

1. Percentage of total LiveCode developers mainly using LiveCode on Windows 
platform against Mac OSX platform;
2. Percentage of total LiveCode developers mainly targeting Android on Windows 
platform against Mac OSX platform targeting Android;
3. Suggestions of making the IDE working solid under Windows platform;
5. Priority list of issues;
5. Etc etc

It has no use to look backward dealing with technical issues you couldn’t fixed 
by yourself, my wise father always told me (senior engineer Electronics) to put 
all strength together so you all can move forward, in this case to make a 
stable working version 9.x of LiveCode IDE under Windows/OSX.

Just my 2cents,
Erik Beugelaar



On 27/05/18 02:20, "use-livecode on behalf of Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode" 
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>On Sat, 26 May 2018 at 22:09, AndyP via use-livecode <
>use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
>> If for example you are using LC on Mac which I have used in the past and
>> was a pleasure to behold.. it just works!
>>
>When I wrote the list of things that were broken I was writing specifically
>about Mac. I very rarely code on Windoze. The Mac ‘just works’, true. But
>LC on a Mac is ‘just flawed’. And from the catalogue of faults I’ve binge
>read from the last couple of weeks posts it seems it’s a cross platform
>issue.
>
>LC 9 is simply not ready, is still Beta and is an embarrassment. Any new
>customer that would come their way would immediately abandon LC based on
>frustration and limitation. There seems no sense to it. Did they not
>actually test it for real before they released it? I have a feeling they
>put far too much trust in their automated tests and don’t do nearly enough
>manual real world testing to see how their dev env works. Especially the
>script editor for goodness sake, the very heart of the coding environment!
>
>
>-- 
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Re: Gofundme posted in the Forums

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

If I read Sean’s sentence is his message on 2 May 2018:

… “Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me 
personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me.”…

Sean is talking about 1000’s so I think he has lost a lot more than only 1000 
pound when you look at his reaction in his emails.
I hope he soon responds to the found raising campaign Lagi has started so 
others don’t hesitate to donate.

Regards,
Erik

On 04/05/18 11:55, "use-livecode on behalf of Lagi Pittas via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Dan messaged Sean's wife on Facebook yesterday  -  I found here on facebook
last night and her last post was July of last year I think.

But No News yet.

Any updates Dan?

Regards Lagi

On 3 May 2018 at 22:18, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
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> any update on this?...anyone talk to sean?
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Well done Lagi
> >
> > Sean hang in there
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > "The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes
> > the other 90% of the time."
> > Peter M. Brigham
> > --
> > Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
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Re: Android assistance / information?

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Because LiveCode 9 now supports Java FFI, maybe you can find the source code in 
Java how to do this and then implement it?
Just an idea.

Goodluck,
Erik 

On 19/04/18 18:00, "use-livecode on behalf of Douglas Ruisaard via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Anyone is this community as versed in Android as Monte Goulding is in iOS?  
One of the beauties of LC is its cross-platform ability.  The app I've written 
in iOS ports just fine to Android .. at least the user-interactive and data 
processing parts do.  .. without changing one line of code (and it's a complex 
app) ... how slick is that??? Obviously, there is a lack of an equivalent 
Android BLE function for communicating to my Arduino which I have working 
splendidly in iOS.  So... I'm looking for information / assistance on how to 
implement a "hardwired" connection from an Arduino to an Android device  
(currently have an older- Galaxy Tab 4 running v 5.1.1) ... but if I need a 
newer model, newer OS, that's do-able.

 

I'm hoping (?against hope?) that all I need is the "device name" for the 
USB port on the Android and the rest I can handle using the "open device" 
serial handles in LC.  I understand that one reason that LC may have and still 
is avoiding the Android BLE topic is due to the varieties and variations within 
the numerous version of the Android OS's.  For me, I just need to be able to 
demonstrate a mobile device (iOS or Android) being able to communicate with an 
Arduino app via a USB hardwire connection.  I REALLY don't care which OS it is 
and if I have to use iOS for BLE and Android for USB... that's just fine!

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Cheers

Doug

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Bill,

Usually my code look the same as this when I am awake from a hangover… ;-)
Before I thought this was the best piece of code I’ve ever had written (

Cheers,
Erik

On 08/11/17 12:29, "use-livecode on behalf of prothero--- via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Sorry, I don’t even know what language this is. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

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> Autocorrect foiled me again! I meant to say:
> 
> I wonder if any of you have had this happen to you?
> 
> With hackers able to listen in on locked phones, I wonder.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:25 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if any of journalists had this happen to you.
>> 
>> Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time. I clearly and 
distinctly heard my iPhone or iPad say “Alibaba”.  Could this be either 1) 
an alien from outer space, 2) some nefarious plot by that Chinese version of 
Amazon, 3)or worse?
>> 
>> Weird question, I know but this is how suspicious hacks get uncovered 
sometimes. My phone cover was closed an the os was locked. It’s an iPhone 8.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
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>> http://es.earthednet.org
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Re: The coming of SVG

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Maybe ‘raster’ as an anternative for ‘canvas’?

Cheers,
Erik



On 05/11/17 22:06, "use-livecode on behalf of Richmond Mathewson via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

I'm not sure how the word "canvas" conjures up ideas of interactivity.

Interactive words:

Playground

Kitchen

Chalkboard

Tray

Not, frankly, that any of the above would do.

I'm still pushing svgImage

although vImage (as in Vector + Image) might not be bad.

Richmond.

On 11/5/17 10:49 pm, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 6 Nov 2017, at 6:24 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:
>>
>>> will stop Jacque killing Mark when there is no
>>> abbreviation
>> If we go with "canvas" I expect "cv" or similar. :) It did occur to me 
that if I kill Mark my career will be cut short. I have to think about that.
> Hmm… I’m not sure if Mark will change his mind on synonyms even given 
death threats ;-)
>
> I like canvas too though. One nice thing is I feel it gives more scope 
for interactive elements than picture does.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [OT] Alan Kay is angry

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Whole political system of the USA is sick. 




Sent from Solidit







On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 6:09 PM +0200, "prothero--- via use-livecode" 
 wrote:










A very thought-provoking read especially about culture and how we are taught in 
our schools. It makes me wonder if some of the folks who aren't concerned about 
"truth" in American politics (including it's relationship to science) these 
days are a result of an educational system that too often relies on the 
learning of content without considering the actual application of that content 
in our culture. Of course, many educators are attempting to address that issue 
these days with various forms of student inquiry pedagogy.

Cheers,
Bill P

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:08 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Alejandro,
> 
> All my upper-intermediate pupils will be going through this article in class 
> this week.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> On 9/17/17 6:37 am, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode wrote:
>> Read the interview:
>> 
>> https://www.fastcompany.com/40435064/what-alan-kay-thinks-about-the-iphone-and-technology-now
>> 
>> I think that he could be... much more angry if he learns about all memes
>> that compare Mobile Phones users with zombies...
>> 
>> Al
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Re: Hackintosh

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

In addition what Roger said.

Hackintosh Rule #3: Buy only PC hardware components (if possible)  which are 
supported by Apple native. 

Most problems can be avoided to use the wright components which are critical to 
build a good working Hackintosh.
Buy a motherboard which has already Wifi/BT (e.g.. Broadcomm) and Sound (e.g. 
RealTek) compatible to Apple on board (e.g. GigaByte).
Buy a videocard compatible to Apple (NVIDIA) or use the internal videocard 
supporting Intel HD 5000+
Buy a USB (e.g. Logitech) video camera compatible to Apple.

If you follow these rules you will have a natively working Apple. Even nowadays 
updating Mac OS X from Yosemite up to Sierra using Clover is working via the 
normal Apple procedure (App Store). Sometimes you have to refresh your kexts 
for sound, networking etc. after upgrading but that’s all.

Regards,
Erik


On 02/08/17 13:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Eller via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Hackintoshers Rule #1:  "If it ain't broke, don't update it!"
Hackintoshers Rule #2:  "Carbon Copy Clone it FIRST!"

Realizing that it's not real, not "of Apple", and not updating frequently
is the first step toward Hacky-happiness.  Always wait until the forums are
reporting update success stories.  Knocking on wood, following the above
rules, I have never bricked my machine.

~Roger

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I tried once. The problem is getting a graphics card to work correctly if
> you are thinking about gaming. There are all kinds of hacks to get it to
> work, but the bottom line is it can be iffy, and the next OS X update 
might
> break it.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2017, at 12:36 , Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Has anyone built their own Hackintosh computer?
>
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Re: Hackintosh

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

I agree with Skip, no hardware issues. There are many clean pre-built versions 
of Mac OS X (Yosemite+) available on the net to use with VMWare or Virtual Box.

Regards,
Erik


On 01/08/17 22:13, "use-livecode on behalf of Skip Kimpel via use-livecode" 
<use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

By the way, I would go the route of a VM version of a hackitosh, not a
hardware, build from scratch concept.

SKIP

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> I have built 6 years ago a Hackintosh computer based on a (nowadays) old
> Foxconn H55 MS motherboard with and (nowadays) old Intel i7 processor.
> Working on this desktop machine (12 GB RM, 512 GB SSD) is even now still a
> pleasure beside the fact that I own a real MacBook Pro i7 which I use when
> I am on the road. The machine is booting Windows 10 Pro, Mac OS X El
> Captain and Ubuntu flawless (although configuration the Clover Bootloader
> took me a little more time than expected).
>
> The good thing is that nowadays Mac OS X is free available. The only thing
> I would advise you when you start to build a Hackintosh is to go buy a
> motherboard from GigaByte (UEFI Bios) which is nowadays much closest to 
the
> specs of an iMac etc. For Wifi/Bluetooth compatibility buy an PCIe
> Broadcomm card (native Apple support).
> For video stay to NVDIA (http://www.macbreaker.com/
> 2012/06/hackintosh-graphics-cards.html).
> Use Clover Bootloader for installation bootloader.
> A lot of information you can find on TonyMac which is one of the first
> pioneers: https://www.tonymacx86.com/
> I have passed in the beginning all the failures and successes… so if you
> encounter any problems just contact me if you need help.
>
> Most important: Yes, LiveCode (all versions) have worked on this machine
> without any problems.
>
> Goodluck,
> Erik
>
>
>
> On 01/08/17 21:36, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> Has anyone built their own Hackintosh computer?  If so, have you had
> any trouble working with XCode, iTunes Connect, Apple Developer tools,
> getting apps approved, etc.   I would like to build one (I’m not in love
> with Apple’s pre-built choices), but don’t want any hassles down the road.
> I wouldn’t put it past Apple to disallow an app if it wasn’t
> developed/built on an Apple Certified Mac.
>
> -Dan
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Re: Hackintosh

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi Dan,

I have built 6 years ago a Hackintosh computer based on a (nowadays) old 
Foxconn H55 MS motherboard with and (nowadays) old Intel i7 processor.
Working on this desktop machine (12 GB RM, 512 GB SSD) is even now still a 
pleasure beside the fact that I own a real MacBook Pro i7 which I use when I am 
on the road. The machine is booting Windows 10 Pro, Mac OS X El Captain and 
Ubuntu flawless (although configuration the Clover Bootloader took me a little 
more time than expected).

The good thing is that nowadays Mac OS X is free available. The only thing I 
would advise you when you start to build a Hackintosh is to go buy a 
motherboard from GigaByte (UEFI Bios) which is nowadays much closest to the 
specs of an iMac etc. For Wifi/Bluetooth compatibility buy an PCIe Broadcomm 
card (native Apple support).
For video stay to NVDIA 
(http://www.macbreaker.com/2012/06/hackintosh-graphics-cards.html).
Use Clover Bootloader for installation bootloader. 
A lot of information you can find on TonyMac which is one of the first 
pioneers: https://www.tonymacx86.com/
I have passed in the beginning all the failures and successes… so if you 
encounter any problems just contact me if you need help.

Most important: Yes, LiveCode (all versions) have worked on this machine 
without any problems.

Goodluck,
Erik 



On 01/08/17 21:36, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Greetings!

Has anyone built their own Hackintosh computer?  If so, have you had any 
trouble working with XCode, iTunes Connect, Apple Developer tools, getting apps 
approved, etc.   I would like to build one (I’m not in love with Apple’s 
pre-built choices), but don’t want any hassles down the road.  I wouldn’t put 
it past Apple to disallow an app if it wasn’t developed/built on an Apple 
Certified Mac.

-Dan
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RE: Dumb deployment question

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

The Levure framework will be a big step forward for starters building LiveCode 
apps in a structured way. It also explains the Message Path filosophy in the 
current framework just by reading the code.

Trevor, you have my vote  to publish an article of it in the next blog post on 
the website of LiveCode.

Cheers,
Erik 

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Trevor DeVore via use-livecode
Sent: donderdag 26 januari 2017 00:19
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Trevor DeVore 
Subject: Re: Dumb deployment question

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Malte Brill via use-livecode < 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Now, I would really like to make the first serious standalone using 
> 8.x (final might be using 9.x). This is still a bit ahead, but I want 
> to prepare. I would really like to work with script only stacks. But 
> what do we need to do to have them available as library in a 
> standalone. Right now I am being lazy with my project and make regular 
> stacks a substack of my mainstack, which I then start using. How would 
> I go about this with a Script only stack, which appears to be only a 
> text file, right? Upside until now was quasi single file distribution, 
> but I could very well live with breaking that. Any good tips on deployment?
>

Hi Monte,

I bit the bullet in early November and started moving ScreenSteps over to 
script only stacks. My goal was to store my files in a VCS-friendly way (as 
much as possible). I moved all code over 3-5 lines out stacks and into script 
only stacks. To facilitate this I added some utilities to the PI in LC 9 that 
make it easy to create script only stacks from stacks you have open in the IDE. 
If you are going to convert an existing app over then I would suggest doing the 
conversion in LC 9. You can then go back to LC 8 if you want for working on the 
app.

I’ll describe the basics of what I did.

All of my libraries are individual script only stack files. When I package up 
the application I create a “Libraries” stack and make all script script only 
stacks that are libraries a sub stack of this stack. The standalone just loads 
a single stack file. I do the same for front and back scripts as well.

For script only stacks used as behaviors it depends. For behaviors that are 
used generally I treat them as library stacks and package them up into a single 
stack. Every stack used for UI was moved into its own folder with a “behaviors” 
folder that sits alongside the stack file. All code related to the UI stack 
goes into script only stack files in that “behaviors” folder.
These behaviors are just converted to regular stack files when I package up for 
distribution. The behavior stack files are assigned to the stackfiles property 
of the UI stack using relative paths. They are automatically loaded by the 
engine when the UI stack opens.

Having all of the code in text files has worked really well so far. Working 
with git has become really easy for scripts and I have been keeping an exact 
history of changes through git commits. Having everything in git makes it 
really easy to move between computers as well. Just checkout the latest and I’m 
ready to get to work. The stack files are another story but that is a problem 
for another day. Script only stacks also allowed me to move over to Sublime 
Text for all of my script editing. I put together a LiveCode plugin and linter 
and coding is much faster as I can jump around in the code really quickly. The 
plugin also communicates with my LiveCode app and refreshes scripts whenever I 
save in Sublime Text so I can edit while editing my app in LiveCode.

In order to make managing a script only stack-centric application easier I 
created a new application framework - Levure. You can see what I’ve done so far 
here:

https://github.com/trevordevore/levure

It use YAML for configuration and has a modular design. It manages building 
standalones and packaging everything up for deployment. I’ve been refining it 
over the last 2 1/2 months and there is still more work to do. I will be 
building an app to distribute to customers before the end of January though.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

--
Trevor DeVore
Outcome & ScreenSteps
www.outcomeapp.io - www.screensteps.com
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RE: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

To minimize the brutal attacks of WP sites is to change the default wp-admin
folder to something else. 
The safest way to do this is via the WP plugin:
https://wordpress.org/plugins/rename-wp-loginphp-to-anything-you-want/

All the best,
Erik Beugelaar

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Of Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Sent: dinsdag 17 januari 2017 00:25
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Stephen Barncard 
Subject: Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Matthias Rebbe <
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de> wrote:

> One problem i see with WordPress is, that its popularity make it a 
> popular target for hackers.


... and I was a target of Indonesian Script Kiddies several sites, but their
autoupdates are VERY regular, and they have seemed to have solved the
security issues. I have much more faith in the Wordpress of today than even
2 years ago. Most of the plugs one had to install are now included.
Multi-media works great, much html5, some themes are Bootstrap based.
the editor rocks a lot better now. Even the default theme (2017) looks
decent if you're in a hurry. And you know how depressing the old default
themes were.

--
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mixstream.org
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RE: [OT] KOUSEK (or replacement) code snippet manager replacement?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi Stephen,

I have bought {source} in the past and I understand it is now open source
and available at GitHub.
You can take a look at http://www.getsourceapp.com/

Goodluck,
Erik Beugelaar

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Of Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Sent: zaterdag 14 januari 2017 05:36
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Stephen Barncard 
Subject: Re: [OT] KOUSEK (or replacement) code snippet manager replacement?

Thanks for the suggestions. It's apparent to me that the amount of work it
will take to get the data into quiver is about equal to the effort to get
the data converted from the KOSEK XML data files. At that point I might as
well just make my own app.

Quiver is great for a various types of data but way overblown for what I
really want and their import features seem incomprehensible to me..

 I already have a Livecode datagrid based data display framework I might as
well use. It's just the time required to turn the XML into a tab delimited
list or array and create the UI for the app I didn't want to have to create
right now, though I admit it might be a cool exercise.

sqb

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I never used the import feature and i'm not able to test this But 
> since the data is in json format i would assume it shouldn't  be too 
> hard -  "everything is easy for the man who doesn't have to do  it  
> himself"!
>
> Their site gives a full description of the directory hierarchy
>
> This review is pretty useful  though
>
> https://www.macstories.net/reviews/quiver-3-a-notebook-
> that-adapts-to-how-you-work/
>
> Regards Lagi
>
>
> On 13 Jan 2017 22:11, "Stephen Barncard via use-livecode" < 
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Lagi,
>
> does Quiver have some kind of import feature?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > And if you are that way inclined it will do latex.
> >
> > And for $9.99 it isnt even worth thinking about a trial
> >
>
>
>
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