Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.3

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Make a smaller app, and let it download the rest, whatever it is. Just 
like Off-Line navigation apps download 400 or 800 MB big maps.


Op 3-8-2021 om 04:17 schreef Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode:

Aloha Panagiotis

But you cannot release an Android App which is more the 100MB!

See this screen shot

http://wiki.hindu.org/screenshots/You-Cannot-Release-Android-Over-100MB.png

What are we going to do?


Svasti Astu – Be Well
Brahmanathaswami

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On 7/30/21, 3:46 AM, "use-livecode"  
wrote:


Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.3 STABLE.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.3 STABLE comes with more than 60 changes, compared to the
previous stable version (9.6.2), including:

New Features
   - HiDPI scaling support to HTML5 engine
   - Support for building with Xcode 12.4 (Catalina) and Xcode 12.5 (Big
Sur), using the iOS 14.4 and 14.5 SDK respectively
   - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built against the iOS 14.4 and 14.5 SDKs
   - Support for App Tracking transparency on iOS
   - Ability to detect the device model an iOS app is running on
   - CameraControl: Include dual and triple camera capture devices when
listing 'videoDevices' on iOS
   - Updated SQLite to version 3.34.0

Bug Fixes:
   - A couple of crashes are fixed
   - Several memory leaks are addressed
   - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements


For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_3/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_3.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
   - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.4 SDK
   - macOS 11.x.  : Xcode 12.5.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.5 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the start of April 2021, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS14.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.15 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
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Re: First LC engine in 64bit?

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Hallo mein freund,


according the downloads page 9.5.0.


Groetjes!

Jerry (Sphere)


Op 24-7-2021 om 19:06 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Hi all,


Am 24.07.2021 um 18:57 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
:

Hi friends,

the subject says it all, anyone happen to know the answer?
Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus

of course I mean the Mac version of LC.


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Re: AW: mySQL 8 destroyes umlaute

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

I always use UTF8MB4 for all.

If you use phpmyadmin you can change everything on the spot.

UTF8MB4 works great with LC, it's just you need to encode and decode 
correct in LC when you send or retrieve data.


I always use PHP files as middleware. So LC sends to the PHP file, and 
the PHP file is then communicating with the DB. This way the 
communication is seen as local for the DB.


Your app has then always access to the DB via the middleware, no matter 
where you are or what your IP address is. Also safer to use middleware 
instead of direct access when it's a program which needs access on 
different places. If it's just a local app on a local network, then you 
can safely use LC build in network capabilities.


There is a howto on the database section on the forum on how to use 
that. You could even use it on a local XAMPP server.


Op 8-7-2021 om 14:45 schreef Tiemo via use-livecode:

Thank you Matthias,

because it is an existing db and years old LC programs in different versions 
out at the customers, I can't modify my old LC programs out there.

I now have read that uft8 gets deprecated in mySQL 8 at some time, so that all new and migrated 
mySQL 8 databases gets by default uft8mb4 (4 byte chars), which LiveCode obviously doesn't like and 
can't display anymore the umlaute of my existing db. Perhaps everything would work with LC, when 
creating a new db and storing the data from the beginning in utf8mb4, but that’s not my use case. 
My live db has as the server character set "latin1" and as the db character set 
"utf8", which were both switched to utf8mb4 on mySQL 8.

Now I am looking for a solution either in the PHPs, which are called from LC 
and connect to the db, or changing the db itself.
Overwriting the charset in the PHP by: header ( 'Content-Type: text/html; 
Charset=latin1' ); doesn't affect the output to LiveCode at all, the umlaute 
stay corrupted. It seems that the settings of the db have priority.

I have read that you can alter the charset of a database and/or tables (ALTER 
TABLE tablename CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci;) . I am 
not good in handling databases, so I am not sure yet
- if this changes just the default value for new db entries or if that changes 
also the existing db content
- even if this would work, this wouldn't be a long lasting solution, because 
uft8 gets deprecated in future and I need again another solution.

Anybody out here who is good in working with databases / mysql and has any idea 
how to repair this situation?

Thanks
Tiemo



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von 
matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2021 20:55
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de
Betreff: Re: mySQL 8

Tiemo,

if i remember right this should be solving your issue.

Before you write to or read from the db execute the following command

revExecuteSQL  databaseID, "SET NAMES 'utf8'"
After that try to fetch data.

The retrieved data has then to be decoded with

textDecode(tRetrievedData,”UTF8”)

e.g.
put textDecode(tRetrievedData,"UTF8") into fld "Name"


Regards,

Matthias


Am 07.07.2021 um 12:02 schrieb Tiemo via use-livecode 
:

Hello folks,



I have a DB hosted on AWS and need to move it from mySQL 5.6 to 5.7
because of AWS restrictions.

In this context I am doing tests and also tried to see what my
programs (LiveCode > PHP > mySQL) say about mySQL 8.

For this I imported a current 5.6 dump into a mySQL 5.7 and into a 8.0
test DB.



With mySQL 5.7 everything looks so far well.

With mySQL 8 all umlauts come back destroyed in DB queries in my
LiveCode program.



When I look into the DB with mySQL Workbench, the umlauts are ok with
5.7 as well as with 8.0. Only as soon as I get them into my LC program, they 
break.



Is here anybody, who has read about changes of handling the charset or
collations in mySQL databases with mySQL 8?

And any idea, where I should try to look for a fix? DB-collations/charsets?
PHP? LiveCode?



We are writing year 2021! and this is the third break of existing
functions handling umlauts within months after LC, macOS and now mySQL



Thanks for any ideas



Tiemo





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Re: [OT] PHP Developer wanted for small job

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

a very very very very very good one is https://phpdelusions.net

Try to switch over to use PDO for database connections and query's, it 
supports almost all types of databases, and prevent injections.


You can also check this to have an idea: 
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=12=27521



Op 22-6-2021 om 21:36 schreef Paul Dupuis via use-livecode:

Um, NEVER MIND.

I just did a quick Google search and found this 
https://www.w3schools.com/php/php_mysql_insert.asp


Easy enough for me to tackle. Sorry.



On 6/22/2021 3:32 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
I am looking for a PHP developer familiar with current releases of 
PHP (7.4 specifically)


I have two PHP scripts, one @ 150 lines (including comments) and one 
@ 192 lines (including comments), written for PHP 5.6 and earlier.


Both basically get some posted parameters. One inserts the posted 
data into a mySQL database and returns OK or an error. The other uses 
a different set of posted data to look up a record in a mySQL 
database and return a value from the matching record or an error.


My problem is my hosting provider is moving everything to PHP 7.4 and 
the scripts use PHP 5.6 mySQL functions (like $dblink = 
mysql_connect(...); or $result = mysql_query ($SQLstmt); which are 
deprecated in newer versions of PHP, so I need to update them. My PHP 
skills ended when PHP when object oriented.


I could do this (by teaching myself the new SQL calls), but it would 
probably take me longer than for someone more familiar with current 
PHP syntax.


If you have the current PHP knowledge and are interested, contact me 
directly, off-list.



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Re: Display Youtube video

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Yes, check the video tab

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nl.jjs.jjsapp

Op 12-6-2021 om 22:31 schreef David Bovill via use-livecode:

Does anyone have any code to display a Youtube video. As far as I understand 
the only way to do this is to request an html embed code from the Youtube api 
based on the id of the video. The browser widget then could display this html. 
Has anyone done this and can share a code snippet?

    Schedule a call with me
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After 2 years still no Server notes in the zip

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Hi,

why are there still no Server notes in the Server zip file on the 
downloads page.


It only contains the release notes, which do not contain instructions on 
how to install.


You can't expect new users to search into version 6 to find the release 
notes (which I have by the way)


The notes needs also updating to which conf file needs editing, it has 
changed for a while it's not httpd.conf anymore.


Yes you can search the forum, but that's not user friendly.

How can one expect new users to start using the LC server to give it 
more fuel, when there are no instructions included?


I Updated the bug report from 2 !! years ago: 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22405


An awesome server needs more attention.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

That's better!

Op 21-5-2021 om 11:31 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode:


JeeJeeStudio:

> And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download
> while my download speedtest is 74.87Mbps...
> That's the speed back in 1996...

That happens to me a lot. Like the T3 cyborg using dial-up in the past.

But I'm happy to report an LC 9.6.2 download at 5 MB/sec!
From East Coast USA during the wee hours of the morning.
So that's a good start to the day.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Directly from the download page downloads.livecode.com.

In previous times this was, for me, at normal speeds. I know others 
suffered from slow downloads.


All the best,

Jerry

Op 21-5-2021 om 11:38 schreef Heather Laine via use-livecode:

Were you downloading direct from your account or via the updater? I thought 
we'd fixed the updater in this respect. What version of LiveCode were you 
updating from if you did use the updater?

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 19 May 2021, at 20:19, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Great!

And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download while my download speedtest is 
74.87Mbps...

That's the speed back in 1996...


Op 18-5-2021 om 16:55 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
(9.6.1), including:

New Features
   - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
   - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
   - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK

Bug Fixes:
   - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
   - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
   - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
   - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
   - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Great!

And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download while my download speedtest 
is 74.87Mbps...


That's the speed back in 1996...


Op 18-5-2021 om 16:55 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
(9.6.1), including:

New Features
   - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
   - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
   - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK

Bug Fixes:
   - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
   - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
   - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
   - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
   - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
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Re: 9.6.0 simulator issue

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an alternative is, create a standalone.

Drag the standalone file you created to the emulator


Op 8-5-2021 om 14:45 schreef Mark Smith via use-livecode:

In order,

Re-started Xcode, invoked the Simulator
Waited for the simulator to boot
Re-loaded LC, loaded my app
Pressed the test button.

That is being really rigorous about it, but sometimes I have found if that the 
sequence is messed up in some way you’ll see the C++ exception error. That’s 
when I do the above and so far (knock on wood) it has always got things going 
again.


On May 7, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
 wrote:

what do you mean - reloaded as in reinstalled xcode or just restarted LC?

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:39 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Mike,

I have seen this problem as well, rebooted, reloaded everything and it
worked. You might want to try that. Simulator first, then load the app and
try the Test button.

Mark


On May 7, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Since 9.6.2 is giving me issues, I decided to try the simulator in 9.6.0.
That is giving me
"Unable to start simulator: 634,0,0,unknown
C++ exception
573,263,1,revPhoneSetSimulatorSDK"

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Re: LiveCode DataGrid assistance requested

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Hi Brian,


if you are using LC9.x.x then it is an Datagrid2 automatically. I don't 
know the exact lc version as of.


Make sure that you have the data item which you want to display in a 
variable first and put that in a test field or answer it, just to check 
if that is the data you need.


There are lot's of examples on the forum on how to get the desired data 
into the DG, and perhaps it's easier to put a piece of your script over 
there so people can see what you doing.


But you can also post here.

So convert JSON to LC array, then get the item into a variable. Set the 
DGdata to the variable.


In other words, test step by step what you have.


Op 4-5-2021 om 17:26 schreef Brian K. Duck via use-livecode:

Hello listers...

I’m working on an app that pulls data from a API which returns JSON and is 
converted to an array then displayed in a DataGrid.

The data returned is complex JSON, there are a few rows that are name value 
pairs, but most of the highest level rows are arrays, and there are those that 
are arrays of arrays (of arrays).

After adding  “Combine array using return,” I can display it as text in a 
field, but I only get the rows that aren’t array data on their own. So, most of 
the data is lost.

There are challenges, so I have questions….
How best to convert nested arrays to text for displaying the data within a 
field?

And, I’d like to display certain values from the DataGrid in a text field, like 
the name attribute, a URL…. The data may be in a different position, for 
different results, but the structures are consistant. Some data are attributes 
of a key value, some are the key values.
What is the best way to traverse the data to find specific values?

Also, should I be looking at the datagrid, array, or JSON for the source of 
these fields?

The current goal is an MVP where I’m displaying data, but the larger goal is 
building an editor to start with the minimal data and allow editing, publising 
as files, and further down the road submission to and API service for posting. 
So, guidance on the design with evolution in mind is much appreciated.

Also, there is a need to count elements in the array of arrays. The examples I 
see are oversimplified and don’t sow any details on finding data in array 
within an array.

Is there an example, or reference, that I missed?

Also, how can I tell if I’m working with a DataGrid or instance of DataGrid 2?

Thanks for your bandwidth,

Brian



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Re: PDF Widget

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hhhmmm, yes, sorry let me refrase that

What I did is download the pdf then opened an external browser, and as 
soon the browser was closed it went back to the app.


Don't know exactly anymore why I did not use the browser widget, so I 
was remembering it wrong. But probably because displaying a pDF sucks 
Big TIme on Android within LC using Indy that time.


(just like our prime minister, he remembers nothing and has no 
recollection of it or remembered it wrong :) )


If it helps, what I did was:

local tFile, tHier, tHeaders,tResult
on mouseUp
   tsNetInit
   if the environment is "mobile" then --ok for Android and iOS
  set the defaultFolder to specialFolderPath("documents")
  put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/help.pdf" into tHier
   end if
   put tsNetGetFile("1", tHier, 
"https://www.somewebpage.nl/folder/help.pdf;, tHeaders, 
"transferComplete") into tResult

end mouseUp

on helpdownloaded
   if the environment is "mobile" then --ok for Android and iOS
  put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/help.pdf" into tFile
   end if
   if there is a file tFile then
  if the platform is "android" then
 mobileToast "Help file is gedownload", "short"
  --this works OK with external browser on Android--downloaden en 
dan kopieren naar sdcard
  put URL ("binfile:" & specialFolderPath("documents") & 
"/help.pdf") into URL ("binfile:/mnt/sdcard/help.pdf")

  launch url "file:/mnt/sdcard/help.pdf"
  end if
   else
  mobileToast "No file"
   end if
end helpdownloaded

on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
   local tData
   --answer tsNetGetStatus("1")
   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
  answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
   --else
  --answer "File has been downloaded"
   end if
   tsNetCloseConn pID
   helpdownloaded
end transferComplete

Op 24-4-2021 om 22:37 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:



Am 24.04.2021 um 21:31 schrieb JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
:

Aber Klaus, for just displaying a PDF, you could use the browser widget

Maar JeeJee, I wrote:
... directly as a control) in a stack and
NOT inside of a browser widget, which is not working "out of the box" on 
Android.

Yes, call me lazy... 8-)


Op 23-4-2021 om 13:48 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Hi Tore,


Am 23.04.2021 um 13:28 schrieb Tore Nilsen via use-livecode 
:

Not everyone needs it.

that was just a little joke. :-)


I had the business edition for a year and for what it is worth, the pdf-widget 
did not offer anything
I needed. I had hoped I could use it for mark up and annotations but did not 
find a way to do that.

It would be enough, at least for me, if we could display a PDF (directly as a 
control) in a stack and
NOT inside of a browser widget, which is not working "out of the box" on 
Android.


I do however think that it would be a good thing if it was possible to buy 
widgets on a per widget basis.
That would enhance the LiveCode experience in my mind.

Definitively!


Best regards
Tore Nilsen

Best

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Re: PDF Widget

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Aber Klaus, for just displaying a PDF, you could use the browser widget


Op 23-4-2021 om 13:48 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Hi Tore,


Am 23.04.2021 um 13:28 schrieb Tore Nilsen via use-livecode 
:

Not everyone needs it.

that was just a little joke. :-)


I had the business edition for a year and for what it is worth, the pdf-widget 
did not offer anything
I needed. I had hoped I could use it for mark up and annotations but did not 
find a way to do that.

It would be enough, at least for me, if we could display a PDF (directly as a 
control) in a stack and
NOT inside of a browser widget, which is not working "out of the box" on 
Android.


I do however think that it would be a good thing if it was possible to buy 
widgets on a per widget basis.
That would enhance the LiveCode experience in my mind.

Definitively!


Best regards
Tore Nilsen


23. apr. 2021 kl. 13:24 skrev Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
:

Either that or everyone that wants it has business edition?

EVERYONE needs and wants it, but not everyone has the business edition! :-D

Sent from my iPhone

Hi all,

as far as I know the "PDF widget" is only available in the
BUSINESS Version of Livecode.

I already asked this in the past, but I would like to be
able to buy this widget separately.

Any idea if LC is planning to sell this separately at some time
in the future?

Best

Klaus

noone else interested in buying that widget separately?

Best

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Re: Android Barcode Scanner widget

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Altijd welkom Klaus!


Well I know there is a permission and although I did not request it in 
an app, one of my apps uses the vibration and on my Android 10 Xiaomi 
phone it asked for permission.


Did not needed to give permission on an Android 8.1

So I hope it helps.

Schones wochen ende!

Op 17-4-2021 om 18:32 schreef J. Landman Gay via use-livecode:
I see vibration permissions for specific actions (calls, keyboard, 
etc.) but no general permission for the entire device. Maybe this 
varies by manufacturer or OS version. Anyway, I'd like to know if it 
works now. Failure to vibrate shouldn't abort the rest of the handler.


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On April 17, 2021 5:38:25 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
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Hi all,

Am 16.04.2021 um 22:04 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
:


Hi Jaques,

Am 16.04.2021 um 21:59 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
:


On 4/16/21 2:38 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:
But it could be a Rights issue, you can check if the app has 
rights to use the vibration, requsting these are also in the 
dictionary


I can't get it to work either on my Pixel phone, nothing happens. 
There are no permission settings to control vibration. The phone is 
running Android 11, maybe something has changed for newer devices.


I will comment out that part, see what happens and report back.
Tomorrow. ;-)


oh boy, there IS in fact a permission checkbox for "Vibration", go 
figure!? :-D

That explains my inconvenience.

So back to work now, thanks for all hints so far, have a nice weekend!


Best

Klaus

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Re: revBrowserNavigate

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Why don't you use or test the latest 9.x.x version ?


maybe a piece of script would help.


Op 14-4-2021 om 15:51 schreef jbv via use-livecode:

Hi list,
I am using revBrowserNavigate and have the following problem :
sometimes some urls won't display, but they display fine when
I enter them in the address bar of the browser.
What am I missing and what should I check ?
I am using LC Community 8.1.10.

Thanks in advance. Best,
jbv

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Re: Android Barcode Scanner widget

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Hoi Klaus,

on mouseUp

if the environment is "mobile" then
   mobileVibrate 3
   end if
end mouseUp

the vibrate has nothing to do with the barcode reader.

But it could be a Rights issue, you can check if the app has rights to 
use the vibration, requsting these are also in the dictionary




Op 16-4-2021 om 13:58 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Hi all,

a problem with the barcode sacanner on Android.
I have this script:
-
on barcodeDetected pBarcode, pID
put pBarcode["raw value"] into tBarCode

## It definitively works

answer tBarCode

## This works, too, fetch data from a good ol' lookup table:

put tierinfo(tBarCode) into tData
answer tData

## So tData is NOT empty, just a TAB delimited line of text
if tData = EMPTY then
   exit to top
end if

   ## The rest is never executed :-/

mobileVibrate 1

lock screen

set itemdel to TAB
set the icon of btn "bild" of grp "tierinfo" to item 3 of tData
put item 5 of tData into fld "name" of grp "tierinfo2"

## Hide the widget
hide widget "barcoder"

## Show button "scan again"
show button "neuscannen"
put item 5 of tData into tSound
unlock screen
if the environment = "mobile" then
   play (specialfolderpath("resources") & "/" & tSound)
end if
end barcodeDetected
--
However it does not vibrate nor is the rest of the script is being executed.
What am I missing?

Thanks for any hint.


Best

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

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Many thanks mark for explaining.
So the IDE is a real 32 bit or a real 64bit application.
Am I understanding it correct that it is the same for the executable an LC
user/devbuilds for Windows? the build of a stack is a real 64bit?

Op di 13 apr. 2021 om 18:09 schreef Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> On 2021-04-13 16:46, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mark.
> >
> > I downloaded LC 9.6.2 for Windows and installed it on a Server 2012
> > VM. It installed in the Program Files (x86) folder. I was under the
> > impression that only happens when the app is a 32 bit app.
>
> Then you downloaded the 32-bit installer.
>
> > Are you implying the standalones are 64 bit but the LC app is 32? If
> > that were the case, then no benchmarks done in the IDE would be valid.
> > But it's more likely I am misinformed.
>
> Both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows IDEs can build 32-bit and/or 64-bit
> windows standalones - you can choose in the standalone builder.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

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Amen!

Op 10-4-2021 om 23:41 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode:


Charles:


Please do not ban anyone.


Somehow that struck me as a pure and beautiful sentiment!
Short and simple. It grew on me during the list silence today.

We can be punitive, or else help each other as we imperfectly stumble.

I'd hate to see the entire list hurt for the sake of a careless word;
and that is what would happen. Because weighing the pros and cons,
we lose more than we gain as we dwindle in number and viewpoints/skills.

Here, please allow me to do the honors:

Sorry. Deepest apologies to one and all.
And again sorry.

May those who are offended find healing and forgiveness.
May love prevail in all our interactions here and elsewhere.

Hope we can move on. So many LC matters to discuss. Have a good weekend!

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

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Of course it's 32bits, even the builds are 32bits on windows except they 
are packed in a 64bit container.


PLease correct me if I'm wrong

Op 8-4-2021 om 17:00 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

To be fail, I do not think the problem is Livecode, I think it’s Windows, and I 
am not sure there is much LC can do to get around whatever it is causing these 
issues. It could be that LC is still a 32 bit app (it installs in the 32 bit 
app folder).

Bob S


On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

LiveCode is wy less responsive on Windows than on a Mac.

The script editor hangs all the time, even when you turn off all the smart 
stuff. Removing it from defender and stuff helps but doesn’t solve the problem.

LC is quite neglected on Windows and Linux. I understand that mac is the money 
making machine, but the kind of hiccups I see can only be explained by no one 
at HQ using Windows, or they’d have noticed it by now.

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Re: Android error messages are crap

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I use Oracle's JDK 1.8.*, never have a problem with it.

Sometimes there is a hint in the error adb message

Op 26-3-2021 om 15:17 schreef Andre Garzia via use-livecode:

Dear Panos,

When I selected the sdk path in Android Studio, it didn’t populate the JDK 
path. I downloaded the OpenJDK separately and placed it in 
/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/, relaunched LiveCode and it was detected 
fine after that.

That JavaVirtualMachines folder was empty after installing Android Studio, it 
didn’t place anything there.


On 26 Mar 2021, at 14:06, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hello Andre,

Have you downloaded OpenJDK separately? I think it is bundled in Android
Studio.

The error sounds related to Java / JDK, so could it be the case you have
multiple Java installations in your machine, and LC is not picking the
right one?

What are the contents of /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/ ?

Also, what is the jdk path that is populated in the LC mobile prefs, when
you choose the sdk root folder?

Cheers,
Panos
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So, I’m trying to set this machine for Android development. I have Android
Studio, I’ve downloaded the needed SDKs and I’ve got the latest OpenJDK
which appears to be jdk16.

Now, when I go and try pressing test on the IDE to test it on the device
(which is authorized and appearing fine as a target and on adb), I get that
useless:

“Could not compile service support class”

Which is not only not actionable, but it also can happen for any number of
reasons. After seeing that it is really not clear what the problem is, or
how to solve it.
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Re: Android error messages are crap

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Java is not installed with Android Studio, you need either Oracle's or 
OpenJDK


Op 26-3-2021 om 15:17 schreef Andre Garzia via use-livecode:

Dear Panos,

When I selected the sdk path in Android Studio, it didn’t populate the JDK 
path. I downloaded the OpenJDK separately and placed it in 
/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/, relaunched LiveCode and it was detected 
fine after that.

That JavaVirtualMachines folder was empty after installing Android Studio, it 
didn’t place anything there.


On 26 Mar 2021, at 14:06, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hello Andre,

Have you downloaded OpenJDK separately? I think it is bundled in Android
Studio.

The error sounds related to Java / JDK, so could it be the case you have
multiple Java installations in your machine, and LC is not picking the
right one?

What are the contents of /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/ ?

Also, what is the jdk path that is populated in the LC mobile prefs, when
you choose the sdk root folder?

Cheers,
Panos
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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


So, I’m trying to set this machine for Android development. I have Android
Studio, I’ve downloaded the needed SDKs and I’ve got the latest OpenJDK
which appears to be jdk16.

Now, when I go and try pressing test on the IDE to test it on the device
(which is authorized and appearing fine as a target and on adb), I get that
useless:

“Could not compile service support class”

Which is not only not actionable, but it also can happen for any number of
reasons. After seeing that it is really not clear what the problem is, or
how to solve it.
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Re: Android commissions (JeeJeeStudio)

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Thank you.

Done!

Op 20-3-2021 om 04:46 schreef Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via 
use-livecode:

Note that this can take a long while, perhaps a very long while

I’m just excited to increase my earning potential by 15% in 6 months at the 2 
app stores, all by doing absolutely nothing myself (thanks Epic Games for 
scaring big tech!).

After having a paid app in the stores for a few years I just released my first 
mobile project with In-app purchases this month so I plan on nudging this along 
through Bugzilla. Feel free to add yourself as a CC to the bug!
[shameless plug]
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23116 


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Re: Android commissions

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LiveCode is already looking into how to better support our revenue stream @ 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23116 




Note that this can take a long while, perhaps a very long while

Op 18-3-2021 om 14:46 schreef Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via 
use-livecode:

In November 2020 I reported a similar story about Apple. It seems Android is 
following suit and cutting their take from 30% to 15% for small developers. 
This is GREAT for those of us selling under $1M worth of software annually!

Blog story: 
https://www.engadget.com/google-play-store-fee-reduction-july-1-172359771.html 

Official PR: 
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2021/03/boosting-dev-success.html 


LiveCode is already looking into how to better support our revenue stream @ 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23116 


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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

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I understand, for me no issue. But for a novice, or an elderly someone 
with very minor knowledge about computers that is already an obstacle. 
They can find the print icon, that's about it.


Op 12-3-2021 om 01:20 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

As a print device specialist, I can tell you that printing directly from a web 
browser, be it a PDF or a web page or anything, is problematic. It is ALWAYS 
better to produce a PDF then print from a real PDF product. Web browsers give 
you printing as an afterthought. “Oh you want to print too?? Uh… okay here you 
go.”

Bob S


On Mar 11, 2021, at 12:25 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Not just LC.

If you try to print a Gmail message in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, then it creates 
also a pdf which is not getting printed.

Doing the same in chrome and it prints correct.

Printing from Firefox to pdf, then open the pdf in the standard pdf reader, it 
prints also correct.

This was with a Canon inkjet, but there are also issues with other brands. In 
this it looks like Firefox is doing something weird.

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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

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Not just LC.

If you try to print a Gmail message in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, then it 
creates also a pdf which is not getting printed.


Doing the same in chrome and it prints correct.

Printing from Firefox to pdf, then open the pdf in the standard pdf 
reader, it prints also correct.


This was with a Canon inkjet, but there are also issues with other 
brands. In this it looks like Firefox is doing something weird.



Op 11-3-2021 om 20:27 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

Mark Wieder wrote:

> On 1/16/21 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> This report for Linux Mint seems perhaps relevant:
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21131
>
> In my comment #13 on that bug report I suggest a workaround. Is that a
> possible way forward for you?

For those who haven't read Mark's helpful workaround, from his comment 
there:


   If you print to pdf, copy and rename that pdf file into
   the /tmp directory, then you can print it to the printer
   because the print command invokes lp properly.


Thanks, Mark. That's more or less what I'm doing now, though manually.

I can work around most of the limitations each time another wheel 
falls off the LC Linux engine.


So I'm okay. I'm more concerned the other tens of millions of desktop 
Linux users who may not stumble across this workaround and get a poor 
impression of what LiveCode can do for themselves and the orgs they run.


--
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 Fourth World Systems
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Mandatory for new Andorid apps on Play

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

For users of android some needed changes are mandatory, perhaps these 
should again be updated in LC:




Upcoming Google Play and Android deadlines
Updated Real-Money Gambling, Games, and Contests policy

On March 1, we’re expanding the number of countries where you can 
publish licensed real-money gambling apps and introducing new 
requirements for gamified loyalty programs.


Approval required for background location access

If your app uses location in the background, start the approval process 
by completing the permissions declaration from the App content page 
(Policy > App content) in Google Play Console.


New apps submitted after April 16, 2020 need approval to access 
background location. Apps published before April 16, 2020 need approval 
by March 29.


August 2021:

New apps must target at least Android 11 (API level 30). 
<-IMPORTANT
New apps and games must publish with the Android App Bundle. 
<---IMPORTANT

New apps using Play Billing must use Billing Library version 3 or newer.





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Re: LC Roadmap

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That's why I quit after one year subscription.

I like Livecode a lot, but it has it's limitations, lot of bugs are not 
solved.


Feature requests not implemented although asked by many.

Livecode is great! Don't misunderstand and it learns a lot of people to 
program. But it runs behind future facts.


While other platforms implement dozens of easy things which you can easy 
access, you'll have to hope it will be implemented.


And the same is offered for free. Maybe takes some more effort to learn.

HTML5 is a drag in LC, unusable, to play ok, to really use no way.. 
Better learn html yourself and use PHP or LC-server if you like, and it 
will take about the same amount of time to create it. And have real fast 
loading of your webpage. Visitors are not going to wait so long until 
it's loaded. Maybe ok for internal use on Intranet, but as user then i 
would be even frustrated of the loading times.


So i now made a webpage in PHP/HTML, a bit javascript and Mysql, it's 
for internal use at a company. All info I need I can find online.


And next to it I'm learning Flutter platform with Dart as main language, 
it's free, it's the future, many devs are going that way.


It supports Android, iOs, web and even building an executable for 
Windows is on it's way.


Costs: time.



Next to this, I also do not understand those dozens of emails I get 
begging for money to buy them tickets to New York.


What would that help the language forward except some awareness of that 
it exists?


Thousands of people loose their jobs these days with this Corona shit, 
many companies (read at least 50%) in Netherlands get support money from 
the government to stay alive and else they are broke. Due to all the 
lockdowns.


And here LC is begging for ticket money, I don't see the logic.

__

Op 13-2-2021 om 13:37 schreef Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode:

I was told last year that HTML5 deployment would see upgrades maybe by
Jan2021 LC 9.7. However LC9.6.2 is still awaiting an RC3. So it’s just not
going to happen. My client and I are severely disappointed to see that the
conference set up for 2022 may be the FIRST LOOK we might see for the HTML5
upgrade. Actually, disappointed doesn’t even close to cut it. I am
seriously LIVID! Absolute proof that subscription model for this is
pointless. It pisses me right off that promise after promise I keep falling
for this crap. I’m paying something like $400 on top of the original $400
per year for this kind of service. I CANNOT afford to keep doing this with
vague empty unfulfilled promises (lies). I KEEP falling for it because the
likes of others on this forum keep trying to convince me that they have our
best interests at heart. But keep forgetting that this is BS too.

Roadmap = careering off a cliff top.  Clean up projected for New York 2022.



On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 at 12:16, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I've said something to that effect earlier, at which point I was jumped
all over.

So, because I don't want to be jumped all over again, and because
saying the 'roadmap' needs to be updated will have no effect (didn't the
last 3 times),
I'm NOT stating what I think.

Love. kisses, and other things,

Richmond.

On 12.02.21 14:12, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

see subject -> Last Updated on July 14, 2020
I think it is time to update the roadmap, what do you think?


Best

Klaus
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Re: Test

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I have that also many times, one pc works sending and receiving, another 
does not send to the list.


Gmail via browser always works.


Op 10-2-2021 om 20:43 schreef Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode:

I can send but I don't receive anything!

You can see the list here : 
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2021-February/date.html 


Here the explanation : I missed an "use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com 
 » because "Your membership in the mailing 
list use-livecode has been disabled due to excessive bounces"

So I replied this message as indicated, we'll see

Ludovic
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Re: Smooth scrolling

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Maybe it's me but i don't see any difference in scrolling between the left
an right on win10

Op di 2 feb. 2021 om 17:34 schreef Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> On 2/1/21 7:10 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > using Kafka's Metamorphosis...
>
> ...then you should expect bugs.
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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

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Off Topic:

I have a triple boot and Ubuntu is just booting so fast, within 2 
seconds i'm on the log-in.


Win10 Boots faster than BigSur, but BigSur shuts down faster, Win10 is a 
pain in the butt when shutting down.


Ubuntu is the fastest booting and shutting down.

Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Op 17-1-2021 om 19:09 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

I don’t use Linux, but the way things are going with Apple, I may consider it.

Bob S


On Jan 16, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I've been printing almost exclusively to PDF for the last several years, but 
this morning I wanted to print to actual paper, and found that LC doesn't print 
from Ubuntu.

There's nothing in the result after the print command, so LC thinks it's doing 
fine.

And I can print from any other app on the same machine, just not LC.

This report for Linux Mint seems perhaps relevant:
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21131

But it's from nearly three years ago - has printing been completely broken in 
the LC Linux engine for years and so few noticed?

Any of you able to print from LC in Linux?

--
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

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Nice find Richmond

Op 15-1-2021 om 12:01 schreef Richmond via use-livecode:
https://www.mediastorehouse.co.uk/pimage/164/4418216/4418216_450_450_81393_0_fill_0_e37e7951f24a5587cf10b5e3ccda4347.jpg 



On 14.01.21 23:29, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:

this cheesehead is here since 2014 

Op 14-1-2021 om 03:45 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
You are new here, so I will just say that among the forbidden topics 
on this list, sex, politics, religion (pretty much everything that 
really matters in this world) is the subject of cheese. Consider 
yourself notified. ;-)


Bob S


On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:15 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
wrote:


Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, 
although

in China they don't mind that.

Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:


JeeJeeStudio:

One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
is still present.

I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.

Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), 
torture,
gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial 
crackdowns,

thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
list could go on for many pages.

I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which 
probably

have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
rights are respected.

(I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to 
it.)


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development

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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

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this cheesehead is here since 2014 

Op 14-1-2021 om 03:45 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

You are new here, so I will just say that among the forbidden topics on this 
list, sex, politics, religion (pretty much everything that really matters in 
this world) is the subject of cheese. Consider yourself notified. ;-)

Bob S


On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:15 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, although
in China they don't mind that.

Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:


JeeJeeStudio:

One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
is still present.

I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.

Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), torture,
gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial crackdowns,
thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
list could go on for many pages.

I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which probably
have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
rights are respected.

(I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to it.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, although
in China they don't mind that.

Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

>
> JeeJeeStudio:
>
>  > One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
>  > buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
>  > is still present.
>
> I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
> clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.
>
> Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), torture,
> gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial crackdowns,
> thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
> poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
> world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
> list could go on for many pages.
>
> I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
> desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which probably
> have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
> me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
> rights are respected.
>
> (I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
> completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to it.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
> Custom Software Development
> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

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One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to buy a 
reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China is still 
present. Seems nothing good enough is yet done to prevent that.



Op 9-1-2021 om 23:34 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode:


Me:

> I'm planning to get an M1 Mac this year

Naturally, right after I post this, Apple makes headlines (again) for 
doing something arbitrary and rather dim.


So an ethical and professional disclaimer:

I don't support self-contradictory and illogical policy,
any more than self-contradictory and illogical UI.

Shallow thinkers (and toddlers of all ages) focus mainly on external 
agreement. It requires some mental development to realize a need for 
intellectual consistency and indeed honesty.


I like the way this principle is clear in the realm of coding. If true 
is also false, logic falls apart. Every logical branch in a script 
evaluates to true or false. True and false must be reliable, not 
arbitrary and capricious. Otherwise code would be unpredictable.


(That's why people who rationalize have trouble writing good code: 
they are speaking a second language, and have trained themselves to 
imitate logic rather than following it! Mental habits matter.)


Apple's biz practices make it difficult to avoid finally replacing my 
2012 Mac, but as most people here probably know, I did not intend my 
statement as an endorsement. Glad Richmond can still work on the G5! :)


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: Threads in LC

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Not that I know of. When using LC it uses the GPIO library/api from the 
Master Library in which it was embedded. If I recall correct that uses 
access to the GPIO library which is on the Raspberry.


For this i can't recall if i needed to install something via terminal, 
which i needed to do for use with Python.


It just uses LC script, no LCB. So therefore my unknown wissdom about 
multi-threading / multi-core thought simplistic that one core could do 
the gui (would be more GPU then) and one core the GPIO handling. But you 
see my knowledge about it is minor.


Of course i could also just use Python without GUI and ask for some 
input setting from the user, if in the end a Python GUI might also be to 
heavy (read interference from any mouse movements).


For the beginning i have Start and stop buttons running in SimplePyGui , 
it needs input for how many steps, speed and size of the steps and how 
much it has to be repeated.




Op 8-1-2021 om 00:07 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

JeeJeeStudio wrote:

> So what i actually meant is multiprocessing, would that give
> advantage?

Maybe.

Does your Pi_gpio_output function use file I/O calls to the virtual 
file system in /run, or call an LCB or external using a lower-level 
interface for GPIO?




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Re: Threads in LC

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For what i've seen and read is that one can run functions in their own 
thread, so you assign a thread to it.


I'm not very experienced in Python, but that is what i read and i found 
it interesting. (slowly progressing the motor project with simplepygui 
and the GPIO)


https://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/python_multithreading.htm

https://realpython.com/intro-to-python-threading/

Perhaps it is another way of calling it parallel and am i 
misinterpreting it as assigning stuff to another core.


So what i actually meant is multiprocessing, would that give advantage?

https://pymotw.com/2/multiprocessing/basics.html



Op 5-1-2021 om 22:38 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

JeeJeeStudio wrote:

> i will experiment some more and else continue with the Puthon version.

Both Python and LiveCode are single-threaded.

IIRC, Python offers parallelism as a programming style, but unless 
you're using one of the special builds I don't believe it offers true 
concurrency (though both can handle concurrent tasks through 
multiprocessing).


This may be helpful here: how would you approach this in Python?

I wonder if we can tailor an LC approach to more closely resemble it, 
or at very least arrive at a language feature proposal to give us 
parallelism within a single-thread like Python does.




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Re: Threads in LC

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Hi Rick,


i will experiment some more and else continue with the Puthon version.

Thanks for the comparison. It seems other brands are offering more for 
buck, except maybe community support may be less. Don't know exactly.


Regards,

Jerry

Op 2-1-2021 om 23:00 schreef Rick Harrison via use-livecode:

Hi Jerry,

1 millisecond is probably asking too much of LC.
It doesn’t give an LC processor enough time to do
much of anything else and I can see why just
moving the mouse would affect the speed of the
motor.  I’m assuming that what you really want
is a steady rate for the motor rather than a
variable one.

Try some experiments with increasing the amount
of time in-between motor steps if you can.  You may
find a balance somewhere that is acceptable.

I also found this comparison of Banana Pi Vs. Raspberry Pi 3
which you may also find useful.

Good luck!

Rick

Banana Pi M3 Vs Raspberry Pi 3 Benchmark

Aspects Banana Pi M3Raspberry Pi 3
Processor   ARM V7 Cortex A7ARM V8 Cortex A53
Frequency   1.8GHz  1.2GHz
CPU Cores   8   4
RAM 2GB DDR31GB DDR2
SoC A83TBCM2837
Storage Micro SD/USB SATA 2.0   Micro SD 
<https://www.raspberrypistarterkits.com/accessories/top-micro-sd-cards-raspberry-pi/>
Onboard Storage 8GB eMMCNo
GPU PowerVR SGX544MPBroadcom VideoCore IV
GPU Speed   700MHz  400MHz
GPIO Pins   40  40
USB 2.0 2 + 1 OTG   4
Power 
<https://www.raspberrypistarterkits.com/accessories/best-raspberry-pi-power-supply/>
5V 2A   5V 2.5A



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 wrote:

Hi Rick,

thanks fo responding.

It's a Pi 3 model B+, should be fast enough for this simple task.

on clockWise
 -steps between pos and wait
   repeat for sStp times --clockwise
  Pi_gpio_output 20, 0 --dir
   Pi_gpio_output 21, 1 --step
   wait sSpd milliseconds with messages
   Pi_gpio_output 21, 0
   wait sSpd milliseconds with messages
 if the mouse is down
   then
  Pi_gpio_output 21, 0 --step
  set the label of me to "Start"
   exit repeat
end if
 end repeat
end clockWise

The time between a 1 and a 0 on the output is 1ms. I can lower the speed and 
thus increase time, but that does not matter.

I think I tried it once with send in time, not a succes. So maybe i have to 
rewrite that with a different mindsetting. I don't have all stack with me at 
the moment.

The above piece is from an older stack, but the last is similar.

Also the wait shall not be the most convenient wait to handle this.

It also has of course an counterClockwise handler which is similar, but then 
output 20 is a 1.

it should run for so many steps, then wait a few seconds and then return. If 
there is one position. If there are more positions, it should go to those 
positions too with eqaul steps, then wait on each position, then return those 
same positions to the start.

It all works, but due to the single thread, moving the mouse, it interferes. So 
in fact LC is to heavy for a single thread. Guess we would win speed if we got 
multi-thread. Not just for Raspberry.

Then there is still max LC7.0 for Rasp, so a port to that should also be made.

Thanks.

Jerry



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Re: Threads in LC

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Thanks Bob, will try some out.

regards,

Jerry

Op 31-12-2020 om 18:22 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

You can also try using callbacks, although the callback will not get processed 
until the next idle message (script execution termination or wait with 
messages).

Bob S


On Dec 31, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi Jerry,

What version of Raspberry PI are you using?

If you are using an older version of Raspberry PI just replacing it
with a newer version might be your best work around.  The older
PI’s are pretty slow.  Have you looked into Banana PI for instance?

While LC isn’t multi-threaded there may be a work around which
could make it behave as though it was.  Have you tried Send in Time?

How often are you telling your stepper motor to run?  Once in every
10 milliseconds or once in every 20 milliseconds etc?

Good luck!

Rick

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Re: Threads in LC

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Hi Rick,

thanks fo responding.

It's a Pi 3 model B+, should be fast enough for this simple task.

on clockWise
    -steps between pos and wait
  repeat for sStp times --clockwise
 Pi_gpio_output 20, 0 --dir
  Pi_gpio_output 21, 1 --step
  wait sSpd milliseconds with messages
  Pi_gpio_output 21, 0
  wait sSpd milliseconds with messages
    if the mouse is down
  then
 Pi_gpio_output 21, 0 --step
 set the label of me to "Start"
  exit repeat
   end if
    end repeat
end clockWise

The time between a 1 and a 0 on the output is 1ms. I can lower the speed 
and thus increase time, but that does not matter.


I think I tried it once with send in time, not a succes. So maybe i have 
to rewrite that with a different mindsetting. I don't have all stack 
with me at the moment.


The above piece is from an older stack, but the last is similar.

Also the wait shall not be the most convenient wait to handle this.

It also has of course an counterClockwise handler which is similar, but 
then output 20 is a 1.


it should run for so many steps, then wait a few seconds and then 
return. If there is one position. If there are more positions, it should 
go to those positions too with eqaul steps, then wait on each position, 
then return those same positions to the start.


It all works, but due to the single thread, moving the mouse, it 
interferes. So in fact LC is to heavy for a single thread. Guess we 
would win speed if we got multi-thread. Not just for Raspberry.


Then there is still max LC7.0 for Rasp, so a port to that should also be 
made.


Thanks.

Jerry

Op 31-12-2020 om 17:53 schreef Rick Harrison via use-livecode:

Hi Jerry,

What version of Raspberry PI are you using?

If you are using an older version of Raspberry PI just replacing it
with a newer version might be your best work around.  The older
PI’s are pretty slow.  Have you looked into Banana PI for instance?

While LC isn’t multi-threaded there may be a work around which
could make it behave as though it was.  Have you tried Send in Time?

How often are you telling your stepper motor to run?  Once in every
10 milliseconds or once in every 20 milliseconds etc?

Good luck!

Rick


On Dec 31, 2020, at 7:20 AM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi,


is it possible to assign threads in LC and why not?

In python you can assign threads, not that i needed that with python, but it is 
possible.

I'm playing with a stepper motor (for a while now) on a raspberry and with 
python it runs so smooth, with lc it's a different story.

It runs, but when moving the mouse, the motor is responding to that. This 
should not happen, but probably because LC is a bit more heavy in use and use 
only one thread for graphics and other things.

If more threads could be use then most probably it would run smooth too.


Now working with simplGui to have a GUI, which is quite easy, and now trying to 
solve that gui actions also do what needs to be done. More work, less easy than 
lc, but slowly we are getting there.

I'm not a fan of python.

Long story short, are multiple threads possible in LC and/or when will that be 
implemented?


Thanks and Happy 2021!

Jerry



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Threads in LC

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Hi,


is it possible to assign threads in LC and why not?

In python you can assign threads, not that i needed that with python, 
but it is possible.


I'm playing with a stepper motor (for a while now) on a raspberry and 
with python it runs so smooth, with lc it's a different story.


It runs, but when moving the mouse, the motor is responding to that. 
This should not happen, but probably because LC is a bit more heavy in 
use and use only one thread for graphics and other things.


If more threads could be use then most probably it would run smooth too.


Now working with simplGui to have a GUI, which is quite easy, and now 
trying to solve that gui actions also do what needs to be done. More 
work, less easy than lc, but slowly we are getting there.


I'm not a fan of python.

Long story short, are multiple threads possible in LC and/or when will 
that be implemented?



Thanks and Happy 2021!

Jerry



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Re: Advice setting up a new project

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If you've already written it in Python, then maybe it's more convenient 
for you to use BeeWare so you could deploy your Python app with a GUI to 
web and any other platform.


Check beeware.org

I would not use HTML5 from LC, it's far from usefull for a website or 
webapplication.


Else i would use html + php or html + lc-server if you are able to 
instal lc-server on your server.



Op 28-12-2020 om 11:46 schreef Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode:

Hello All,

  


First of all I hope you all had a nice Xmas despite of all the Covid
limitations.

  


I have written in Python some crawlers in Scrapy. They are now executed via
the command terminal and are working fine however they are written with
fixed parameters and I want to make it more flexible.

  


So, I am planning to make a GUI written in LiveCode (if possible) that is
able to act as a layer over a HTML page in Chrome so the user can click on
an element in the webpage so I can read the underlying data.

It's a bit how ColorZilla is picking up a color from an HTML page.

  


I think I will use Trevor's platform for the creation of the application but
my main question is: are there examples or design patterns to implement the
point and click mechanism?

  


I know that Hermann who sadly passed away from us did a lot of amazing work
with LiveCode HTML5 but I want to develop it with my current Indy
subscription. I am aware or the Url() command.

  


Any clues will be appreciated.

  


Thanks in advance,

Erik

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Re: Some sad news

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I thought he stopped the community because he was not happy about the 
progress on HTML5...


This is very sad, a helpfull and smart man and a lung physician too.(he 
said once)


Rest in Peace. All the best to his family. Und schone grussen nach oben!

Jerry Janson


Op 4-12-2020 om 13:49 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:



Am 04.12.2020 um 13:07 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
:

Dear List Folks,

I have today received some sad news. I am told that Hermann Hoch passed away in 
April this year, from a stroke. I know many of you knew him either remotely or 
having met him in person at a conference. He will be missed. I met him myself 
and found him to be a wonderfully warm and kind person. He could be volatile, 
but I always felt it was because he cared passionately about things.

I will take what steps I can to preserve his legacy of HTML5 examples. As these 
are hosted on an on-rev account we should be able to maintain it in perpetuity 
for the benefit of the LiveCode Community.

LiveCode HTML5 didn't always meet his expectations or progress as fast as he 
wanted it to and I do wish he could have seen our next planned release, where 
HTML5 support will be a focus. He was of great benefit to this community and 
shared his expertise freely.

I'm not sure what else I can say. Rest in peace hh, you will be missed :(

Heather

oh, this is really sad news! :-/
Farewell, Hermann, mach's gut!

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Re: Chromebook apps?

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And note that the Intel chips are a minor these days on Android, it's 
mostly ARM



Op 26-11-2020 om 14:42 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:

Hello Richmond,


so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

LC supports both arm (armv7, arm64) and Intel (x86, x86_64) on Android.

Kind regards,
Panos
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 15:31, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Is a Chromebook app an Android app?

Or, to put things another way . . .

I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
use on their Android
phones and tablets . . .

Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

Sorry to be damp squish.

On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary

school learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I
just want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app
for a Chromebook.

I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that

will run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but
would like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of
for Chromebook apps.

Thanks,
Bill

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Re: Can LC read QR-Code?

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Geen dank Klaus.

Schone abend noch!

Gruessen,

Jerry

Op 18-11-2020 om 15:41 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Dag JeeJee,


Am 18.11.2020 um 15:34 schrieb JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
:

It works in INDY, mein freund :)

dat is mooi, hartelijk bedankt, beste vriend! :-)


Op 18-11-2020 om 15:29 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Hi all,

Am 18.11.2020 um 13:15 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
:
Hi friends,

I know that LC can generate QR-Codes, but can it also read them?
On mobile? Thanks for any hint.

found it under BARCODE! 8-)

Question, the dictionary says the "Android Barcode Library" works with LC INDY.
But I remember there was one feature falsely reported as supported by INDY, but
was BUSINESS only in the end. Was it this library?

Groetjes

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Re: Apple commissions

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Thanks!

Wow 1 milion dollars, whish i could earn that in a year.

Op 18-11-2020 om 15:31 schreef Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode:

The news page from Apple:
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/apple-announces-app-store-small-business-program/

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *


On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 14:29, Sean Cole (Pi)  wrote:


Cl. That's amazing news. Thanks for the heads up.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *


On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 13:43, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via
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Apple, in what seems to me like a giant screw you to Epic Games (or
leveraging in current court battles), is cutting their piece of the pie in
half for small developers: 30% --> 15%

https://www.engadget.com/apple-small-business-program-15-percent-112259064.html
<
https://www.engadget.com/apple-small-business-program-15-percent-112259064.html
As someone earning substantially south of $1M annually I am super excited
about this. Big Sur begins to combine the iOS and macOS platforms opening
up a larger platform AND offers a larger revenue cut.

-Andrew Bell
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Re: Can LC read QR-Code?

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It works in INDY, mein freund :)

Op 18-11-2020 om 15:29 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Hi all,


Am 18.11.2020 um 13:15 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
:

Hi friends,

I know that LC can generate QR-Codes, but can it also read them?
On mobile? Thanks for any hint.

found it under BARCODE! 8-)

Question, the dictionary says the "Android Barcode Library" works with LC INDY.
But I remember there was one feature falsely reported as supported by INDY, but
was BUSINESS only in the end. Was it this library?

Thanks in advance!


Best

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Re: Livecode Podcast Player - earbud click?

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From other threads and maybe on the forum similar is done for video of 
which the dev also wanted to catch likewise information when played in 
the browser.


So maybe if you search the list you might find some javascript which 
could help with that.


Op 23-10-2020 om 11:33 schreef David Bovill via use-livecode:

Yes. I have some old code - seems to still work fetching and parsing RSS 
steams. I’m looking into the best way. To make the player now - browser or 
player widget?

An interesting experiment this morning with earbuds - if I play an mp3 or a 
video in the player object and listen to the sound through the earbuds - 
pressing / clicking the earbuds has no effect on the playback. Using the 
machinery of the browser widget pauses and restarts the playback reliably. I 
want. This feature so I may well choose the browser widget unless I can figure 
out a message that is sent to the. Stack that I can trap?

The issue is that I want to know the “currenttime” when the video is paused - 
this and other features would be easier using the player control. I guess I can 
use javascript if needed?
On 23 Oct 2020, 09:38 +0100, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
, wrote:

So in fact it needs to retrieve a list of podcast streams, user can pick a
stream, and then it has to play like an mp3 player. Can be done with either
the browser or audio player right?

Op vr 23 okt. 2020 10:29 schreef David Bovill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:


I guess not - could not find anything in the forums or email thread.
On 21 Oct 2020, 20:17 +0100, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:

You've just hijacked someone's thread...you said something last time.

It's

now a totally different subject.

That’s fine :) It’s kind of related to the general subject of community
contribution. My understanding is that the general approach to that has not
helped produce an organised collection of material - whether this is the
documentation, or the library of Livecode components. There is the usual
tension between centralised quality control and wiki like easy open
community contribution.

I agree with Sean that we can all contribute to this, but a little
improvement in the architecture that supports such collaboration would also
help I believe. It is harder than I think necessary to find stacks and code
related to for instance podcasts and RSS feeds. I’m pretty sure that this
has been worked on multiple times over the last 10 years, but the
combination of forum, email, and resource library does not do justice to
what we could achieve.

Maybe I’m wrong - and no one has produced a podcast player in Livecode? My
understanding is that an easy to contribute set of tools that made it
easier to share stacks and code would help here. As I see it the attempts
that have been made historically have been somewhat too “closed” for there
to the right sort of community contribution.

I can mainly speak for my personal experience, but if I produce this
podcast player, and various libraries for it - then historically I haven't
really see a good way to share that. When I come across errors or
improvements I want to make to the dictionary I don’t really see how, or
have quite enough faith that my contributions will valued - so I make a
note to “do that later” and well - don’t.

There is a form of federated architecture for user contributions that
looks promising that can help. Essentially the trick is to combine both
that ability of people to make their own personal notes / changes and
contributions by forking existing material, while also making it very easy
to combine these contributions into an editorial synopsis. That way each
Livecode author wold have a tool for their own personal productivity use,
and the overall community gets the value of the shared content production.
Right now the balance between my personal space and the sharing is in an
unhealthy state of mediation.
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Re: Livecode Podcast Player

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No worries Sean. I know you're sincere seeing your posts. And i understand
what you mean.

Op vr 23 okt. 2020 10:57 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> I made a conscious effort to reply to the OP thread by Tom by somehow got
> attributed to David’s.
>
> So I’m guessing either there is a problem with the LC use list server or
> (more likely) iPhones dumb mail app. It was meant to be following on from
> Tom’s original thread.
>
> But even added to the podcast subject divergence that was still in
> relation to the OP.
>
> The hijacking I spoke of was a complete subject change. I arseume that,
> that her than start a new mail, some people use the reply button as an easy
> way to start a new topic then think that changing the subject line will
> start a new thread instead of continuing in from the previous one. It
> happens a lot it seams looking back through the archives.
>
> I’m sorry if it seemed I had hijacked this hijacked thread buck to the OP
> ;)
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
>
> > On 21 Oct 2020, at 20:16, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > You've just hijacked someone's thread...you said something last time.
> It's
> > now a totally different subject.
> > But nevertheless I total agree with what you just said.
> >
> > Op wo 21 okt. 2020 17:46 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >> I’m going to chime in, not to discredit anyone else or their comments,
> >> only to voice a reason I personally feel is far more needed and
> worthwhile.
> >>
> >> Before any of what has been suggested being carried out, as lovely as it
> >> all would be, getting the dictionary and the guide usable and
> >> accurate/up-to-date would be of greater importance. Especially for the
> >> modern and recent modifications. But even simple stuff that has been
> >> altered in tiny ways has not been touched in the guide for an age.
> >>
> >> My point is, there is no point in introducing and inviting new users to
> a
> >> product that becomes difficult to use because documentation is out of
> date
> >> and not matching in appearance or fiction to what is described. Sure a
> >> community can advise those ones of workarounds and correct usage. But
> >> that’s just pathetic and should be unnecessary. And you all know my
> >> opinions on workarounds.
> >>
> >> My ethos, fix what we have, don’t introduce more problems.
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> Pi Digital
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 21 Oct 2020, at 14:31, David Bovill via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have a stack that plays audio podcasts?
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Re: Livecode Podcast Player

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So in fact it needs to retrieve a list of podcast streams, user can pick a
stream, and then it has to play like an mp3 player. Can be done with either
the browser or audio player right?

Op vr 23 okt. 2020 10:29 schreef David Bovill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> I guess not - could not find anything in the forums or email thread.
> On 21 Oct 2020, 20:17 +0100, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > You've just hijacked someone's thread...you said something last time.
> It's
> > now a totally different subject.
>
> That’s fine :) It’s kind of related to the general subject of community
> contribution. My understanding is that the general approach to that has not
> helped produce an organised collection of material - whether this is the
> documentation, or the library of Livecode components. There is the usual
> tension between centralised quality control and wiki like easy open
> community contribution.
>
> I agree with Sean that we can all contribute to this, but a little
> improvement in the architecture that supports such collaboration would also
> help I believe. It is harder than I think necessary to find stacks and code
> related to for instance podcasts and RSS feeds. I’m pretty sure that this
> has been worked on multiple times over the last 10 years, but the
> combination of forum, email, and resource library does not do justice to
> what we could achieve.
>
> Maybe I’m wrong - and no one has produced a podcast player in Livecode? My
> understanding is that an easy to contribute set of tools that made it
> easier to share stacks and code would help here. As I see it the attempts
> that have been made historically have been somewhat too “closed” for there
> to the right sort of community contribution.
>
> I can mainly speak for my personal experience, but if I produce this
> podcast player, and various libraries for it - then historically I haven't
> really see a good way to share that. When I come across errors or
> improvements I want to make to the dictionary I don’t really see how, or
> have quite enough faith that my contributions will valued - so I make a
> note to “do that later” and well - don’t.
>
> There is a form of federated architecture for user contributions that
> looks promising that can help. Essentially the trick is to combine both
> that ability of people to make their own personal notes / changes and
> contributions by forking existing material, while also making it very easy
> to combine these contributions into an editorial synopsis. That way each
> Livecode author wold have a tool for their own personal productivity use,
> and the overall community gets the value of the shared content production.
> Right now the balance between my personal space and the sharing is in an
> unhealthy state of mediation.
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Re: DG outcomes on desktop vs mobile

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What do you see when you answer the data you set the dgdata to? Does it
show the values?

Op vr 23 okt. 2020 08:44 schreef Phil Davis via use-livecode <
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> I'm building an iPad app that reads a bunch of files into an array and
> then sets the dgData of a form DG to that array. The array is
> well-formed for DG use. After setting the dgData of the DG, the result
> is empty. Only one problem: the DG now contains no data. (I also tried
> setting the dgText of the DG to a flat version of the same data and got
> the same outcome.)
>
> I can then create another array from custom property data and set the
> dgData of the same form DG to that array and it works.
>
> On the desktop, however, the same DG loading process never fails.
>
> The data being loaded is all text - nothing esoteric.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how I can find & fix the problem(s)? Or have
> you run into this before?
>
> Thank you -
> Phil Davis
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Re: Livecode Podcast Player

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You've just hijacked someone's thread...you said something last time. It's
now a totally different subject.
But nevertheless I total agree with what you just said.

Op wo 21 okt. 2020 17:46 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode <
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> I’m going to chime in, not to discredit anyone else or their comments,
> only to voice a reason I personally feel is far more needed and worthwhile.
>
> Before any of what has been suggested being carried out, as lovely as it
> all would be, getting the dictionary and the guide usable and
> accurate/up-to-date would be of greater importance. Especially for the
> modern and recent modifications. But even simple stuff that has been
> altered in tiny ways has not been touched in the guide for an age.
>
> My point is, there is no point in introducing and inviting new users to a
> product that becomes difficult to use because documentation is out of date
> and not matching in appearance or fiction to what is described. Sure a
> community can advise those ones of workarounds and correct usage. But
> that’s just pathetic and should be unnecessary. And you all know my
> opinions on workarounds.
>
> My ethos, fix what we have, don’t introduce more problems.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
>
> > On 21 Oct 2020, at 14:31, David Bovill via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have a stack that plays audio podcasts?
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Re: Android PlayStore Warning APK v1 signature scheme

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Good question. I'm not 100% sure, but if I'm correct you can update. So I
don't think the keypair will change. I've not had the error you have, and
I've updated with lc961 which uses the correct target. So i made the normal
keystore and did the thing as in the previous mail and had no problems as
far as i know. Only thing is lc accepts only .keystore. Most probably as
long the reversed dns name com.appname.blabla is not changed and you
increase the version nr, also when an app is wrong or declined, then it
should go ok.

Op wo 14 okt. 2020 22:03 schreef Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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>
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
> Cell: 518-796-9332
> Thanks!
>
> One interesting thing is that keytool requires the keystore and the alias
> passwords to be the same. I had them as different. Although you can change
> the alias password with other tools I left them the same for now.
>
> Question: Do you know if the key-pair or fingerprints will change? In
> otherwords can I update an existing app after converting the keystore to
> PKCS12?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 2:43 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: JeeJeeStudio
> Subject: Re: Android PlayStore Warning APK v1 signature scheme
>
> I think you need to use PKCS12 industry standard format instead of the
> normal keystore. You can import your existing key via command prompt.
> Keytool -importkeystore -srckeystore yourapp.keystore -destkeystore
> yourapp.keystore -deststoretype pkcs12
>
> Op wo 14 okt. 2020 18:17 schreef Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>
> > I just got this message when submitting a new app to the PlayStore
> >
> > Your APK is only signed using the APK v1 signature scheme. This will
> > fail to install in versions of Android equal or higher to 11 if the
> > android:targetSdkVersion is set to 30 or higher. Please use apksigner
> > to sign your APK or switch to the Android App Bundle to fix this.
> >
> > Does anyone know what the deal is here?
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
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Re: Android PlayStore Warning APK v1 signature scheme

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I think you need to use PKCS12 industry standard format instead of the
normal keystore. You can import your existing key via command prompt.
Keytool -importkeystore -srckeystore yourapp.keystore -destkeystore
yourapp.keystore -deststoretype pkcs12

Op wo 14 okt. 2020 18:17 schreef Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> I just got this message when submitting a new app to the PlayStore
>
> Your APK is only signed using the APK v1 signature scheme. This will fail
> to install in versions of Android equal or higher to 11 if the
> android:targetSdkVersion is set to 30 or higher. Please use apksigner to
> sign your APK or switch to the Android App Bundle to fix this.
>
> Does anyone know what the deal is here?
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
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Samsung Galaxy skins for Android Studio

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Here you can find Samsung Galaxy skins which you can use in Android Studio,
so you can see how it looks on the real device.:
https://developer.samsung.com/galaxy-emulator-skin/overview.html

it's free to use as far as i could see.
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Re: Looking for LiveCode developer in Norway, Stavanger area

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Off topic-- Ah Stavanger, i was there on motor holiday in 1995 or 96. Very
nice to see the Fjords.
On topic-- Keep us posted, most interested. But i'm Dutch, living in
Belgium since a few months. So if you can't find people, it can be done
remote.

Tak, Jerry

Op wo 2 sep. 2020 10:48 schreef Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <
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> And I thought I was the only person in Rogaland County using LiveCode. I
> have been teaching Information Technology at an upper secondary school in
> Haugesund for the last seven years, using LiveCode.  I would very much like
> to keep tabs on what you are doing. It may be of interest to both me and my
> students to connect with a professional organization that uses LiveCode.
>
> Best of luck with your project.
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
> > 2. sep. 2020 kl. 08:47 skrev Ivar Andreassen via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > A mature startup is looking for programmers that have from "little" to
> > professional experience with LiveCode in Norway, and in "south Rogaland"
> > "Stavanger Sandnes region". The reason for being so specific on location
> is
> > that we want you physically present in our team meetings.
> >
> > We are developing a new exciting music service, and need several people
> > onboard. Right now we are specifically looking for LiveCode developers to
> > work on apps and back end solutions.
> >
> > Send an e-mail to ivar.andreas...@gmail.com, or reach out to me on
> Linkedin
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivarandreassen/
> >
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Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions

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you have to check the bug quality site for that and search for the DG2
I know there was a fix for the ID thingy, if i understand correctly what
you ask.
because if i remember correct the ID created by the dg scroller was not
'detectable'
But to be sure on it check the quality site or one of the releasenotes when
the DG2 came out

Op do 27 aug. 2020 om 21:58 schreef Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via
use-livecode :

> My apologies to Mike AND Mark on the misquote, and *bump* to this bug. I
> had too many QC tabs open for bugs, am I right? ;)
>
> Is there a way to send a mobileControlSet “delayTouches” command to the
> scroller created? I wasn’t sure how to get the ID since the DataGrid code
> made the scroller.
>
> -Andrew Bell
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions
> > Message-ID: <166ab8a2-7e58-2303-4d72-f366960d9...@sonic.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > On 8/26/20 9:36 PM, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> The highlighted row when scrolling is a separate bug patched by Mike
> Wieder  https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22798 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22798> awaiting a GitHub
> merge, but turning on delayTouches makes the swipe animation jerky because
> the scroller has to decide if it?s scrolling first so the swipe controls
> aren?t very responsive. Would be curious if these two things can live in
> harmony. Any DG2 advice?
> >
> > That's actually Mike Kerner's fix. I just added a comment. Or two.
> > Trying to prioritize getting it looked at.
> >
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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Maybe switch over in time to ReactNative and Node.js using JavaScript?

I'm exploring these, cause it runs also on muliple platform, though 
there we're not as spoiled as with Livecode, but I guess most things are 
in your own hand then.


First thing i see is the almost instantly change you get to see on for 
example the Android Emulator. So it's more a website which one writes 
and runs almost everywhere with some extra functions.


Well a lot to learun for me (don't want to hijack this thread but maybe 
as an alternative, cause i saw on your website you do also JavaScript)


Op 15-8-2020 om 09:49 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:

I give up :(

Sean



On 15 Aug 2020, at 08:41, Pi Digital  wrote:

What make you say I will? iChat reason for I have to Trust what you say. There 
is NO WAY there have been no bugs in the software unless it’s perfect. The fact 
there is only 16 bugs listed under LCFM tells a massive story that no one is 
effing using it. The forums are empty other than people on the FM one saying 
it’s not worth bothering with - unless you can point me to crap load that says 
otherwise  There is NO WAY that people are using it and not asking question 
about how to use it unless ALL ATTENTION of the LC team has been drawn away to 
it to the detriment of everyone else in this community meaning that the other 
things have effectively become abandonware. There is literally No Evidence to 
back up your optimistic claims of fortitude. PLEASE prove me wrong, I beg of 
you! Heather has done a shed load of Blog posts on the LCFM site and NOTHING on 
the standard LC site! HTML5 Deployment, which i am completely dependent on 
except for a few other little projects here and there, is simply not being 
worked on despite several reassurances from the mothership it ‘would’ be worked 
on. PLEASE, prove me wrong!! Because at the moment it has left me REALLY peaved 
off that the only thing they have fixed is the frikin delete key when none of 
the other modifier keys, arrow keys, escape key, copy paste, or other simple 
tings have been done. In over six months since I was sat at a table with Ian 
from LC and literally showed him face to face the issues with it.

With respect, from experience, anyone who says ‘some day you will’ is full of 
crap (like some 3yr old shaking his fist at you)! Empty words. Show me the 
evidence. I’ve dug deep and find nothing.

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


eMail Ts & Cs



On 15 Aug 2020, at 04:45, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
 wrote:


Oh, just to summarize the issue:
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm

I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. LCFM 
is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you will.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



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Re: More Standalone Building Weirdness...

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What if you unload it.
Turn messages off. Load your stack and build it right away. Does that work?

Op vr 14 aug. 2020 17:25 schreef Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
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> The stack where building a Windows Standalone just stays on "Attaching
> Engine..." forever had no 'closeStack' handlers at all.
>
> I added the following:
>
> on closeStack
> -build close issue--
> if the environment is "development" and \
>   there is a stack "revStandaloneProgress" and \
>   the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0 then
>exit closeStack
> end if
> ---
> pass closeStack
> end closeStack
>
> An there was no change in behavior. Under LC960 (I have not tried other
> versions), it builds the standalone, but then just remains on "Attaching
> engine..." and I have to force LC to exit.
>
> If no one else has seen anything like this, then it is probably
> something about the stack. I don't have problems building other
> standalones in LC960.
>
>
> On 8/13/2020 1:06 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:
> > Put this in every stack you build, and i mean the "build close issue"
> part
> > in the on closeStack Handler
> >
> > It was in one of the release notes.
> >
> > Maybe that is holding your build to complete
> >
> >
> >
> > on shutdownRequest
> > answer question "Are you sure you want to stop?" with "Y" or "N"
> > if it is "Y" then
> >pass shutdownRequest
> > end if
> > end shutdownRequest
> >
> > on closeStack
> > -build close issue--
> > if the environment is "development" and \
> >   there is a stack "revStandaloneProgress" and \
> >   the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0 then
> >exit closeStack
> > end if
> > ---
> > lock messages
> > quit --triggers shutdownrequestmessage, if not handled then it hangs
> > pass closeStack
> > end closeStack
> >
> > Op wo 12 aug. 2020 om 20:32 schreef Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >> I have a stack that when I build into a Windows Standalone (only
> >> Windows) in LC 9.6.0 under Windows, the dialog that says "Attaching
> >> Engine..." never finishes.
> >>
> >> The Standalone gets built and runs properly, but the "Attaching
> >> engine..." dialog in the building process never finishes (waiting over
> >> an hour for a tiny stack) and I have to bring up teh Task Manager and
> >> force the LiveCode app to exit.
> >>
> >> Anyone seen anything like this? Have any idea what causes it?
> >>
> >> Since the app does get built and runs fine, and I am under a deadline, I
> >> don't really have time to troubleshoot it. It is easier to just force LC
> >> to exit, but if someone has seen this and knows the cause, please let me
> >> know.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

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Waaah, now even EPIC with Fortnite has been kicked off the appstore,
because they found a way to sell things past the appstore. And then Apple
don't get 30%

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/170916/apple-verwijdert-fortnite-uit-app-store.html
It's in dutch but you get the message.
or this one
https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366438/apple-fortnite-ios-app-store-violations-epic-payments

Op zo 9 aug. 2020 om 16:52 schreef Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
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> > Do Apple's actions and policies monopolistically harm consumers?
>
> Yes it does. There is a ton of innovation that is user friendly that is
> prevented from being present in iOS due to Apples practices. A simple
> example is new browser engines, you can't have them. Which means you can't
> have more private engines than what Safari uses. This also makes it harder
> to bring lots of API innovation to iOS which would benefit users because it
> would allow for better and more powerful web apps.
>
> Since you can't sideload apps, you as a user need to have Apple permission
> before installing software on the device you purchased and should own. You
> as a developer are allowed to sell software outside of Apple's blessing,
> even if you have customers interested in the software you make. Apple is a
> gatekeeper and a very picky one.
>
> Gatekeepers are harmful to consumers and sellers. Since you as a developer
> can't simply compile software and sell it own your own page without Apple
> double blessing, you're not really in control of your platform and Apple
> may exercise the right to cut you out of the platform at any time. This is
> harmful.
>
> > Consumer behavior itself argues against that. Quite the contrary,
> consumers are willing to pay a premium for Apple products and services
>
> That is totally not true because you can't measure it. You can't measure
> "iOS with a more open ecosystem" vs "iOS with its current draconian
> ecosystem" because that you don't have the more open version to match it
> against the current one. The choice here is not between Apple and Android.
> Apple could still offer the same software, services, and hardware, and be
> more open. People would still choose them. No one chooses the option with
> less options and gatekeepers if they have an alternative. The tight
> integration between iOS and macOS devices is wonderful and people are happy
> to pay a premium for such quality. If you ask any Apple user why they buy
> Apple, no one will answer: "Because I like the way they don't allow
> developers to compete with Apple itself" which is why the EU and other
> companies are crying wolf in the direction of one infinite loop. People
> will say they choose Apple because of the attention to detail, the quality
> of service, hardware, and software, none of which would be gone if Apple
> was more open.
>
> The key to understand this is that all that you like about Apple can still
> be there, including the App store. If you want to stay in an environment
> like what we have today, it should be possible to do so. But you should
> also have options for when you want to step outside. There should be
> alternative stores or alternative ways to distribute software.
>
> I'm not saying "burn iOS and Apple". I'm saying the current practices
> benefit no one but Apple and are harmful to a healthy ecosystem. They could
> still be Apple and not be a bully. For example, the need of notarizing apps
> is going to make distributing FOSS on macOS a bit harder. Once Apple moves
> to its own ARM CPUs, it will be harder for every third-party vendor to
> compete with Apple solutions as they'll be able to cram custom silicon like
> T2 and lock down the machine in a way that has not been done in ages.
>
> If I was LC I'd be throwing some more people into making sure LC runs
> really well under Linux and Windows, both of which are second class
> citizens when compared to macOS. Heck the IDE under windows is horribly
> slow, I have no idea how it performs under Linux. When dealing with Apple
> you always need a plan b.
>
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 22:16, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > BrianM wrote:
> > > One thing that seems to be missing in this discussion is the point of
> > view of the ?client?, the one who downloads the app and pays for it
> >
> > True.
> > In the U.S. the laws against monopoly (the Sherman Act of 1890, the
> > Clayton Act of 1914 and the Federal Trade Commission Act of 1914) are
> there
> > to promote competition amongst companies for the benefit of consumers.
>  Or
> > our end users.
> >
> > Do Apple's actions and policies monopolistically harm consumers? Consumer
> > behavior itself argues against that. Quite the contrary, consumers are
> > willing to pay a premium for Apple products and services.
> >
> > Andre notes that Apple exercises a monopoly WITHIN the iOS system. But
> > that is a misnomer. Apple has a proprietary system not a monopolistic
> one.
> 

Re: More Standalone Building Weirdness...

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Put this in every stack you build, and i mean the "build close issue" part
in the on closeStack Handler

It was in one of the release notes.

Maybe that is holding your build to complete



on shutdownRequest
   answer question "Are you sure you want to stop?" with "Y" or "N"
   if it is "Y" then
  pass shutdownRequest
   end if
end shutdownRequest

on closeStack
   -build close issue--
   if the environment is "development" and \
 there is a stack "revStandaloneProgress" and \
 the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0 then
  exit closeStack
   end if
   ---
   lock messages
   quit --triggers shutdownrequestmessage, if not handled then it hangs
   pass closeStack
end closeStack

Op wo 12 aug. 2020 om 20:32 schreef Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
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> I have a stack that when I build into a Windows Standalone (only
> Windows) in LC 9.6.0 under Windows, the dialog that says "Attaching
> Engine..." never finishes.
>
> The Standalone gets built and runs properly, but the "Attaching
> engine..." dialog in the building process never finishes (waiting over
> an hour for a tiny stack) and I have to bring up teh Task Manager and
> force the LiveCode app to exit.
>
> Anyone seen anything like this? Have any idea what causes it?
>
> Since the app does get built and runs fine, and I am under a deadline, I
> don't really have time to troubleshoot it. It is easier to just force LC
> to exit, but if someone has seen this and knows the cause, please let me
> know.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Facturing/Billing Warning Google Play dev console when using Android 8.0 as minimum version

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Hi,


i got a warning uploading an app update which uses minimum Android 
Version 8.0 Oreo about facturing rights, it does not use facturing.


Also in the standalone settings in-App Purchases is not selected.

Uploading an other app with minimum Android version 5.0 i do not get 
that warning.


Both standalones are build with LC961rc2.

What could cause this?

Do i have to add something in the Android sdk's?

This is the error in Dutch:


   Waarschuwingen

Je hebt een APK of Android App Bundle geüpload zonder de rechten voor 
FACTURERING of met de rechten voor FACTURERING die is beperkt tot 
specifieke SDK-versies. De rechten voor FACTURERING zijn vereist voor de 
verkoop van in-app-producten.


Translated in English:

Warnings

You uploaded an APK or Android App Bundle without the BILLING rights or 
with the BILLING rights limited to specific SDK versions. BILLING rights 
are required for the sale of in-app products.



Thanks!

Jerry



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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

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Wow, that's heavy Jacque.
I'm not at all against Apple products, although it may seem like it
sometimes. I'm against how they work, making it more and more difficult.
I'm for a safe store too. But this is grabbing money from wherever they can.

Op do 6 aug. 2020 om 20:53 schreef J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> I've been working on mobile apps for a non-profit publishing house. Their
> customers are large
> organizations that buy products in bulk and then resell to their own
> customers. Thus, the app
> does not sell to users at all, nor does our client.
>
> I made a minor mistake in one of my progress spinners; the
> briefly-displayed prompt (less than
> 1 second) said "Checking your purchases..." and Apple glommed onto that
> and wouldn't let go. My
> client and I spent 3 weeks and innumerable emails to Apple to convince
> them that users were not
> purchasing any products from the company who sponsored the software, nor
> could they buy
> products from any web site related to the company. We had to answer two
> different
> purchasing-related questionaires in great detail. They finally relented
> when we convinced them;
> I changed the prompt to "Checking your library..." and it didn't hurt that
> we got a different
> reviewer.
>
> Google, who has some similar but less-stringent rules in the Play Store,
> accepted the app the
> first time without any objections.
>
> Word to the wise: if your app doesn't deal with sales, even indirectly,
> don't use money-related
> words anywhere. I hope the EU nails them; I consider App Store policies
> equivalent to
> extortion. Apple holds the majority of mobile users in the U.S. and the
> App Store is the only
> available outlet for apps. That sounds like a monopoly to me.
>
>
> On 8/6/20 11:46 AM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hmpff i just read in the news that even Microsoft can't bring out an
> xcloud
> > application due to the apple store rules. What a mess. Only Android users
> > will be able to stream games as mentioned on dutch tweakers.net
> website. I
> > think it's going to cost MS to much money to pay Apple ifvthey would
> bring
> > out the app on Apple's store.
> >
> > Op wo 5 aug. 2020 02:10 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >> JeeJeeStudio wrote:
> >>
> >>   > 1 positive thing then on a thing we don't have in LC and now also is
> >>   > removed...the possibility to put ads in your LC created mobile
> app...
> >>
> >> "Possible" is a big word. It covers nearly everything.
> >>
> >> It's possible to use LC Build to support ad network APIs.
> >>
> >> It's also possible to find saner ad networks that offer REST APIs in
> >> addition to binary, so devs don't need to commit as much development
> >> time for one vendor.
> >>
> >> It's possible but less likely that an app not worth monetizing through
> >> freemiums, direct payment, or other model will earn enough to bring a
> >> positive ROI for the effort of implementing ads.
> >>
> >> It's less likely that you'll be able to shoe-horn someone else's ads
> >> into your app design without impairing the user experience.
> >>
> >> Lots of things are possible.  Fewer things are likely.
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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> >>
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

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Hmpff i just read in the news that even Microsoft can't bring out an xcloud
application due to the apple store rules. What a mess. Only Android users
will be able to stream games as mentioned on dutch tweakers.net website. I
think it's going to cost MS to much money to pay Apple ifvthey would bring
out the app on Apple's store.

Op wo 5 aug. 2020 02:10 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> JeeJeeStudio wrote:
>
>  > 1 positive thing then on a thing we don't have in LC and now also is
>  > removed...the possibility to put ads in your LC created mobile app...
>
> "Possible" is a big word. It covers nearly everything.
>
> It's possible to use LC Build to support ad network APIs.
>
> It's also possible to find saner ad networks that offer REST APIs in
> addition to binary, so devs don't need to commit as much development
> time for one vendor.
>
> It's possible but less likely that an app not worth monetizing through
> freemiums, direct payment, or other model will earn enough to bring a
> positive ROI for the effort of implementing ads.
>
> It's less likely that you'll be able to shoe-horn someone else's ads
> into your app design without impairing the user experience.
>
> Lots of things are possible.  Fewer things are likely.
>
> --
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>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

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1 positive thing then on a thing we don't have in LC and now also is
removed...the possibility to put ads in your LC created mobile app...

Op di 4 aug. 2020 21:38 schreef Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> On 8/4/20 11:39 AM, Dev via use-livecode wrote:
>
>  > I think that the changes being made are actually done from a
> protectionist perspective in an increasingly hostile digital world.
>
> The point here, though, is that Apple is now demanding that anything
> sold through mobile ads requires a 30% tribute, whether it's sold online
> or elsewhere in the real world. This is a different thing from the
> security arguments and gets us back to where you can owe your soul to
> the Company Store.
>
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

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It's not a contradictory, Apple has Worldwide Monopoly of iOs and the Apple
store.
I don't know any other store for Apple iOs software. (are there?)
As for Android there are multiple stores (yes Google hold the monopoly of
the OS itself)

Op di 4 aug. 2020 om 20:20 schreef Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> That article is an interesting read.
>
> Still these two sentences:
>
> Apple is using its monopoly to hold all of us hostage
> Apple’s iOS controls 25% of the global smartphone market (the other 75%,
> is largely controlled by Google’s Android).
>
> are self contradictory. By definition a company with 25% of the market is
> not a monopoly.
>
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Re: Has anyone created a specialised mobile keyboard?

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

You can set which keyboard you want, like email, numeric

it's in the dictionary, search on mobile keyboard


Op 4-8-2020 om 13:22 schreef Graham Samuel via use-livecode:

In the iOS app I’m developing, it would be nice (I mean less confusing for the 
user) to display a keyboard with only certain keys - numerals and certain other 
letters and symbols, on the lines of the various native keyboards available 
(numeric, email etc). I see that I can create one from scratch using graphics 
and buttons, but I wondered if there is a more native-style trick to this. I 
know so little about iOS APIs - I thought perhaps someone with more knowledge 
might have tried it.

Graham
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

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1 solution :Ban apple and their appstore. Your users use Apple, aah, to 
bad for them.


First they bought overprized hardware...and the rest you know


Op 3-8-2020 om 23:33 schreef Mark Wieder via use-livecode:
...catching up on some reading here. One of my email providers 
(ahsoftw...@protonmail.com) has gone public with some of the 
heavy-handed tactics Apple uses on developers. For example:


"Apple has now even gone so far as to ban apps from the App Store if 
they refuse to offer in-app purchases for paid features that are 
available for purchase elsewhere. In other words, Apple wants a nearly 
one-third cut of your sales, regardless of whether you want to sell on 
their platform or not. This was precisely what happened with Proton."


https://protonmail.com/blog/apple-app-store-antitrust



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Re: Q re monetization via ads

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i think no one, because it's not working and no longer supported in LC.

Why do so many app dev(non LC) use so many ads in their apps? i guess not
for fun but for some income (free apps with ads)

A free game and i mean a good playable quality game costs maybe 200K to be
build for Android and iOs, so somewhere the money most come from.

I've seen prices asked for apps around 15K just for Android and another 15k
to get iOs too.

Maybe prices dropped meanwhile, but some softwarehouses ask serious prices
Op 31-7-2020 om 20:22 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

How many LC devs have earned more than $500 from in-app ads?

Outside of LC, anyone know what percentage of indy shops with small or zero
marketing budgets have earned more than $1,000 on ads?

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Re: Q re monetization via ads

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

i think no one, because it's not working and no longer supported in LC. 
For many years now!!


Why do so many app devs (non LC) use so many ads in their apps? i guess 
not for fun but for some income (free apps with ads)


And alongside that sometimes also in-app purchases, like more lives or 
whatever, but that's another story.


A free game and i mean a good playable quality game costs maybe 200K to 
be build for Android and iOs, so the money most come from somewhere.


I've seen prices asked for apps around 15K just for Android and another 
15k to get iOs too.


Maybe prices dropped meanwhile, but some softwarehouses ask serious prices.

Paying for an app is the way to get rid of the ads.

The nr of ad-free free to use apps, is very low compared to free in-app 
ads apps.


You can simply check the playstore for that.


Regards,

Jerry

Op 31-7-2020 om 20:22 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

How many LC devs have earned more than $500 from in-app ads?

Outside of LC, anyone know what percentage of indy shops with small or 
zero marketing budgets have earned more than $1,000 on ads?


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Re: Google Play SDK problem

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Well 2 things:

1. Since LC is no longer supporting ads, with which one might earn an extra
dime, they could better remove it. Maybe via lcb and an injection in the
manifest something is possible and one could choose it's own preferable ads
provider.

2. You can reply to the email from Google and then you will get an answer
which gives you a clue or leaves you with more questions.

Ok 3 things.
3. I had it once too, first my app was allowed for the family, and later
after an update it was no longer. And i got tired of it so i canceled the
lower ages and for family. And it was a simple app just telling the time an
date updated with speech. No data was pulled, no ads, no internet needed.

Kind regards,
Jerry

Op vr 31 jul. 2020 00:21 schreef scott--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> Thank you for your thoughts. I don’t think the ad checkbox would have been
> checked. (It isn’t checked now and since I was only vaguely aware of its
> existence, it seems unlikely I would have checked - and then unchecked it -
> accidentally.
>
> When opening the android apk with BBEdit, I found the text below (ad
> checkbox not ticked and builds from both LC 9.6.0 and 9.6.1 (rc1) contained
> this string.)  I am not knowledgeable enough to know if this really has
> anything to do with the advertising SDK.The new "Families Policy
> Requirements” has a list of allowed ad SDKs (when targeting an app for
> children) so it may be that Google Play is now implementing an automated
> check for ad references and that something that normally got through is now
> triggering this alert. Does that sound possible? Not sure whether to submit
> again to Google Play or create a bug report.
>
> ——
> +$SWITCH_TABLE$android$net$NetworkInfo$State
> A$SWITCH_TABLE$com$inneractive$api$ads$InneractiveAdView$ViewState
> 4$SwitchMap$com$amazon$inapp$purchasing$Item$ItemType
> G$SwitchMap$com$amazon$inapp$purchasing$KiwiResponseHandler$ResponseType
> M$SwitchMap$com$amazon$inapp$purchasing$PurchaseResponse$PurchaseRequestStatus
> [$SwitchMap$com$amazon$inapp$purchasing$PurchaseUpdatesResponse$PurchaseUpdatesRequestStatus
> $VALUES  $assertionsDisabled  %d,%d,%d,%d  %s < %d  %s < %d AND NOT %s  %s
> = %d  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =3G
> =WIFI  =  =  =  =  =  ' AND   ' can't be consumed.  ',  (
> A(%s, requestId: "%s", getUserIdRequestStatus: "%s", userId: "%s") U(%s,
> requestId: "%s", itemDataRequestStatus: "%s", unavailableSkus: %s,
> itemData: %s) M(%s, requestId: "%s", purchaseRequestStatus: "%s", userId:
> "%s", receipt: %s) Ç (%s, requestId: "%s", purchaseUpdatesRequestStatus:
> "%s", userId: "%s", receipts: %s, revokedSkus: %s, offset: "%s", isMore:
> "%b") L(%s, sku: "%s", itemType: "%s", subscriptionPeriod: %s,
> purchaseToken: "%s") `(%s, sku: "%s", price: "%s", itemType: "%s", title:
> "%s", description: "%s", smallIconUrl: "%s") $(%s, startDate: "%s",
> endDate: "%s")  ()  ()V
> D(?i)((?:http|https|file):\/\/|(?:inline|data|about|javascript):)(.*)
> (TTleft;TTright;)V  (Z(decimal)  ) ") because another async
> operation(  ) is in progress.  ):  ): IAB helper is not set up.  )I  )V
> )Z  *  Error:   *.  */*  ,  ,
> , height:
> , item type:  , purchase:
> , result:   , since you don't own it!   , token:  , type is :   , width:
>  , y:   -  -1  .   . No token.  . Request code:  . Response:   .0  .3
> .AppReceiver  .fileprovider/share  .jpg  .mblandroid  /  /*  /I
> /android_asset  00  02 ¥ 0:OK/-1001:Remote exception during
> initialization/-1002:Bad response received/-1003:Purchase signature
> verification failed/-1004:Send intent failed/-1005:User
> cancelled/-1006:Unknown purchase response/-1007:Missing token/-1008:Unknown
> error/-1009:Subscriptions not available/-1010:Invalid consumption attempt á
> 0:OK/1:User Canceled/2:Unknown/3:Billing Unavailable/4:Item
> unavailable/5:Developer Error/6:Error/7:Item Already Owned/8:Item not owned
> ——
>
> —
> Scott Morrow
> Elementary Software
>
> > On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:20 AM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that was what i was thinking too. Else it would not get into the
> standalone.
> >
> > Op 30-7-2020 om 19:18 schreef J. Landman Gay via use-livecode:
> >> I've never seen that. Did you accidentally tick the ads checkbox in
> standalone settings?
> >>
> >> --
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> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hype

Re: Google Play SDK problem

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Yes, that was what i was thinking too. Else it would not get into the 
standalone.


Op 30-7-2020 om 19:18 schreef J. Landman Gay via use-livecode:
I've never seen that. Did you accidentally tick the ads checkbox in 
standalone settings?


--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 30, 2020 12:29:00 AM scott--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I have an app (Windows, Mac, iOS and Android… thank you LC!) that is 
aimed at children. It does not contain advertising. I recently 
submitted an update to Google Play and although it was accepted into 
the store a few weeks ago, today I received the notice below. I am 
suspicious that this is not currently addressed by LC. Has anyone 
else encountered this and if so how was it solved?


—
— from Google Play—
—
Hi Developers at Elementary Software,    After a recent review, we 
found that your app Terrific Triangle 
(com.elementarysoftware.terrifictriangle) is not compliant with one 
or more of our Developer Program Policies. Please resolve the issue 
within 30 days of the issuance of this notification or your app will 
be removed from Google Play.


Issue with your app
We have detected that your app includes non-certified ad SDKs or SDKs 
that are not approved for use in child-directed services.


About the Families Policy Requirements
Any SDKs used in the app must be appropriate for use in 
child-directed services. Additionally, apps that solely target 
children must not contain any SDKs that are not approved for use in 
child-directed services, including ads SDKs. Apps in the Designed for 
Families program must only use ad SDKs that have certified their 
compliance with the Families Ads Program 
.

—


Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
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Android target needs api-29 as of august 2020

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Hi,

FYI

for the people who use the Google Play Developers Console.

The target api needs to be 29 as of August 2020 for all new apps.

And for updated apps as of november 2020.


LC has the target now set on 28.

It would be convenient if one could set that him/her-self in the 
standalone settings.


Regards,

Jerry


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Re: OAuth2 was Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

I once did that, to read out the values on a sheet. But I can't remember if
I used OAuth2 for that.

Op di 21 jul. 2020 15:51 schreef Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> I got impatient/spooked so we went another direction.  I think we're going
> to use other tools.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:00 AM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Brian Milby put me on to the solution for the OAuth problem:
> > > Check out bug 22557 / PR 7381.
> > > Line 247 of oath2.livecodescript need urlEncode removed
> >
> > Are you still interested in this, or are you covered now?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On 11/03/2020 20:45, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > I haven't forgotten, but finally found time to take a look today and
> > started
> > > writing minimal comments, and thought I should at least test it - for
> > some
> > > reason the authorisation isn't working. For whatever reason, the call
> to
> > > OAuth2 results in the error "Malformed auth code." So I can't get to
> > test what
> > > I'm sending.
> > >
> > > I'm unclear whether I've done something strange or wrong, or whether
> > Google
> > > has changed something that breaks LC's implementation. I've come across
> > > references which suggest that, but they date back to last year, and I
> > believe
> > > I've used this stack in January. (I also tried using LC 9.0.4 with the
> > same
> > > result.)
> > >
> > > I will try to get back to this. In the meantime, have you - or anyone -
> > found
> > > issues recently with OAuth2, in particular against any of the Google
> > APIs?
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > > On 08/03/2020 22:22, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > >> it might help us get started.  i'm going to probably put out an rfq to
> > wrap
> > >> the v4 rest api, because we're going to have to come to a solution,
> > either
> > >> using lc or some other tool.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 6:01 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Mike,
> > >>>
> > >>> Very happy to share what I've got, but it's really not much - just a
> > very
> > >>> thin
> > >>> wrapper round Google's API - and it's undocumented, mostly rough
> code -
> > >>> copied
> > >>> from one stack to the next, usually done in a tearing hurry!
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll try to pull something together, but please promise not to judge
> > me...
> > >>>
> > >>> Ben
> > >>>
> > >>> On 06/03/2020 15:13, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >  Ben,
> >  would you send me what you've got?  I was considering paying someone
> > to
> >  wrap the entire v4 api and dropping mergGoogle, so any head start
> > would
> > >>> be
> >  useful.  LC wants tribute to do the work (which is a little
> > disappointing
> >  since we financed the original external, so we sort-of hoped that it
> > >>> would
> >  become a thing, and it would get updated as required, but crap
> > happens).
> > 
> >  On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> >  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 04/03/2020 20:37, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > >> is anyone using anything besides mergGoogle to work with google
> > sheets?
> > >> care to share, if you are?
> > >
> > > I'm just using the Google Sheets API directly from LiveCode - just
> > >>> pushing
> > > JSON back and forth. The API is limited, but what's there is very
> > easy
> > >>> to
> > > work
> > > with - much better than manipulating xlsx files.
> > >
> > > I started using it to get data from clients, and then processing
> data
> > >>> and
> > > pushing it back into the sheets. I've also used on some
> experimental
> > >>> image
> > > processing, where I found that pushing the results of LiveCode
> > functions
> > > into
> > > a google sheet immediately gave me an nice interface in which to
> > review
> > > the
> > > data, and then I could also use the spreadsheet functions to do
> > >>> evaluation
> > > and
> > > testing.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > 
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Re: text to speech android

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At least on Mac you know what voice you get. I wonder how other devs handle
this on Android when selecting a voice, because you never know exactly what
you choose.

Op ma 20 jul. 2020 06:07 schreef Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> Hi Scott
>
> The identifiers and names all come from the macOS NSSpeechSynthesizer API
> and yes Victoria does appear to be the only voice with an uppercase
> character in the identifier `com.apple.speech.synthesis.voice.Victoria`,
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
> > On 20 Jul 2020, at 12:57 pm, scott--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ack! with the exception of “Victoria” which seems to require an
> Uppercase first letter. (utter chaos)
> >
> >> On Jul 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I notice that  although speechGetVoices() provides names that begin
> with an uppercase letter
> >> speechSetVoice() appears to require the name be lowercase for it to
> work reliably.
> >>
> >> LC 9.6.0  Mac Mojave
> >>
> >> —
> >> Scott Morrow
> >>
> >>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 9:00 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Klaus,
> >>>
> >>> just did a quick successful test on Mac OS 10.14.6 with this script
> >>>
> >>> on mouseup
> >>>
> >>> speechInitializeLibrary
> >>>
> >>> end mouseup
> >>>
> >>> on speechLibraryInitialized pSuccess
> >>>
> >>> if pSuccess then
> >>>
> >>> speechSpeakUtterance "Hallo Klaus"
> >>>
> >>> get speechfinalizeLibrary()
> >>>
> >>> end if
> >>>
> >>> end speechLibraryInitialized
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Matthias Rebbe
> >>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> >>>
>  Am 19.07.2020 um 14:28 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> 
>  Hi Klaus,
> 
> > Am 18.07.2020 um 12:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > in 9.6 we have a new speech library for Mac, iOs and Android.
> > In the dictionary "revspeak" is still listed as Mac and Windows only.
> >
> > Am I correct to presume that the syntax-> revspeak "what to speak"
> > is still the same for this new speech library on Android?
> 
>  no, you are not correct!
>  The new syntax is -> speechSpeakUtterance "what to speech speak or
> say?"
> 
> > Thanks in advance!
> 
>  You're welcome!
> 
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> 
>  Did someone could make this work on a Mac so far?
> 
> 
>  Best
> 
>  Klaus
> 
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>  https://www.major-k.de
>  kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: test

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testin testing 1,2 in the place to be

sort of

Op 20-6-2020 om 17:53 schreef Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode:

Testing one two three ;-)
You are on a mission?

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of
JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
Sent: zaterdag 20 juni 2020 17:25
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: JeeJeeStudio 
Subject: test

test


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Re: test

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ok thanks for the clear up doc! i'm using thunderbird with gmail

Op 20-6-2020 om 17:54 schreef doc hawk via use-livecode:

Jee jee jabbered

=
it seems my emails do not always arrive on this use list. Can't find the cause 
why.

This is usually the mail client, not the mailing list.

Gmail, for example, does not show your own messages until and unless someone 
replies.
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Re: test

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it seems my emails do not always arrive on this use list. Can't find the 
cause why.


In the settings i've set it to get a copy, but i don't get it.

Sometimes when looking in the archive i see my answer is not there, 
although it was send correctly.



Op 20-6-2020 om 17:26 schreef doc hawk via use-livecode:

flunk

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test


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Re: REducing image size of resized image

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Sie sind Ihre eigene Meister


Op 29-5-2020 om 17:17 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:

Am 29.05.2020 um 16:56 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
:


Am 29.05.2020 um 16:13 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
:

Hi all,

there was a trick to reduce the size of a scaled-down image.
Was that: set the text of img 1 to the imagedata of img 1
?

tried that, but did not work, scaled-down (200*200 px) image still remains 
"hi-res" (2000*2000 px)
Any hints?

FYI It was actually:
set the IMAGEDATA of img 1 to the imagedata of img 1

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Re: Code-signed apk fails

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The normal exstension is .keystore , maybe that's the reason?


Op 28-5-2020 om 08:52 schreef J. Landman Gay via use-livecode:
We're about to release an Android app. I've been signing it for 
development only and it works well. Today I created a keystore 
"FPMobile.jks" in Terminal as usual.


As an aside, I got this in Terminal:
Warning:
The JKS keystore uses a proprietary format. It is recommended to 
migrate to PKCS12 which is an industry standard format using "keytool 
-importkeystore -srckeystore FPMobile.jks -destkeystore FPMobile.jks 
-deststoretype pkcs12".


I don't know if that's significant. I've ignored it in the past, so I 
went ahead and entered the jks file in standalone settings. When LC 
9.6rc2 asked me to locate the keystore during the build, I was unable 
to select it in the file dialog until I chose "All files". That seemed 
to work and the build finished.


At any rate the real problem:

The codesigned app fails to download files from the server. My error 
log shows that sometimes there is no error at all but nothing is 
downloaded, other times the error is vague: "Invalid URL:" with no URL 
indicated. The same script and URLs work in the IDE and in the apk 
when built without the keystore.


I don't think codesigning should affect server queries but that seems 
to be what's happening. I rebuilt the apk without any changes except 
to remove the keystore and it worked perfectly again. Could TSNet be 
involved somehow?


I'm not sure where to look for the fault. Ideas?



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Re: iOS Provisioning Profile issue

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AS far as i know this profile lasts for 6 days for development.

Then you have to renew it in Xcode.

Op 22-5-2020 om 12:47 schreef Graham Samuel via use-livecode:

Panos - thanks for asking

Yes it is - an iPhone XS which has been my key test device for weeks. Should I 
try it on the very latest version of LC? I had a download glitch last night so 
didn’t install it (the joys of rural broadband).

Graham


Sent from my iPhone


On 22 May 2020, at 11:00, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
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Hello Graham,

Is that the same iOS device you used when you could successfully
install the app?

Kind regards,
Panos
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On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 11:52, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I’ve been using XCode to load an app into my iPhone for some time now, but
today using LC 9.6.0 rc1, I got this refusal:


A valid provisioning profile for this executable was not found.

As far as I’m concerned, I’ve got the same provisioning profile as I had a
few days ago, and it’s  been in the Standalone Settings for the app for
some time, when this version of LC did several successful updates.

Can anyone suggest what I’ve done wrong?

Graham
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Re: Obtaining URL to latest Stable LC Server

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So this is a good thing where we LC users have an advantage.

Op 21-5-2020 om 19:44 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

Ralph DiMola wrote:


I use the commercial server so I can use password encrypted stacks.
I have an app that the customer required encryption of all data and 
source
code. The library stack is in the iOS app/APK is also used on the 
backend

server. I don't want to have to strip the passcode from the stack when
release updates to the app/LC server. Besides the customer asked that 
all

source code be encrypted in the app or on the sever so I complied.

Edge case... probably... But LC stack encryption made the customer 
happy so

that made me happy.


I like it when clients write requirements in a way that rule out 
pretty much everything else but LiveCode.


The more popular server languages - PHP, Python, Ruby, Perl, etc. - 
all use plain text, so with a requirement for source encryption every 
industry-standard option is off the table.


Now if only we could get that requirement to catch on... :)



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Re: Obtaining URL to latest Stable LC Server

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Thanks for your extensive explanation Richard.


Op 21-5-2020 om 19:01 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:
The encrypt and decrypt commands are part of the core language common 
to all editions, along with hashing with messageDigest and the older 
md5Digest and sha1Digest functions.


The one form of encryption proprietary editions enjoy is with stacks, 
to protect scripts. For the most part this is irrelevant to any open 
source use since of course the whole point is sharing code.


But there are at least two use cases where stack encryption might be 
useful with open source projects:


- Preventing code modification: If you had a system that uses unlocked 
stacks downloaded from multiple sources, it's possible that one script 
downloaded from  nefarious source could modify another.


- Protecting secrets: Other scripting languages (PHP, Python, Ruby, 
etc.) are plain text files, so secrets like DB passwords need to be 
handled with care.  With LC it would be possible to put that info in 
an encrypted stack for an additional level of protection that would 
give LC a competitive advantage no plain-text scripting language could 
match.


That said, both are edge cases and neither prevents us from getting 
serious work done with what we have today.


In the first case, if one dared to make a system that ran stacks from 
unknown sources, code modification would be the least concern compared 
with all the other ways script behavior can be modified at runtime 
within a single LC instance (frontScripts, backScripts, etc.).  In a 
server context it's almost completely irrelevant because that's the 
last place we'd want to put code from unknown sources. :)


And the second case puts even unlocked LC stacks at no disadvantage 
compared to pretty much any other language everyone else everyone 
uses. If traditional ways of managing secrets are good enough for 
healthcare and banking, they're probably good enough for the types of 
web services the rest of us make.




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Re: Obtaining URL to latest Stable LC Server

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Yes, true.


Does the commercial version not contain options comparable like LC Indy 
e.g. Encrypting or otherwise?


Thanks for your answer.


Op 21-5-2020 om 18:21 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

JeeJeeStudio wrote:

> Op 20-5-2020 om 21:18 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:
>> It would be helpful to have a convenient way to obtain the URL to the
>> latest stable version of LC Server, to automate deployments.
>>
>> I don't believe the company provides that, do they?
>>
>> Without a company-maintained URL, I suppose one could write a
>> function that relies on a scraper for the downloads.liveocde.com
>> page.  Has anyone here done that?
>
>
> that's not the same version as the one you can download from
> livecode.com when you log-in. Community vs commercial

True, but my focus on the Community Edition is based on two 
considerations:


1. The proprietary edition requires an account-specific licensing key
   which AFAIK precludes external automation.

2. The proprietary edition is very rarely needed.

Most modern server solutions are open source, and many use GPL 
specifically, including not only LiveCode but also MySQL, MariaDB, 
Neo4j, MediaWiki, NextCloud, Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla, Git, Ansible, 
and a good many more.


The GPL being a distribution license, proprietary edition of LiveCode 
Server would be needed only in those cases where the developer is 
distributing a server solution for other devs making server solutions, 
and where they want their own code to be under proprietary license. I 
can imagine such a specific use may case exist in our community, but I 
haven't yet come across it.


For services accessed over a network, the code remains on the server 
and is not distributed to the user. So open source, even GPL, is a 
very good fit for web sites, apps, and other network-delivered services.




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Re: Obtaining URL to latest Stable LC Server

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that's not the same version as the one you can download from 
livecode.com when you log-in. Community vs commercial


Op 20-5-2020 om 21:18 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:
It would be helpful to have a convenient way to obtain the URL to the 
latest stable version of LC Server, to automate deployments.


I don't believe the company provides that, do they?

Without a company-maintained URL, I suppose one could write a function 
that relies on a scraper for the downloads.liveocde.com page.  Has 
anyone here done that?




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Re: Recommended (simple) Linux distro for Livecode server home dev/test?

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i would use Ubuntu server as there is much info about it

on HowtoForge.com are very nice tutorials on how to setup Linux servers 
for several distributions of your choice.


You can use these to set up a VPS, but also a Laptop or whatever to use 
as a server.




Op 9-5-2020 om 15:46 schreef Keith Clarke via use-livecode:

Hi folks,
Which distro(s) would you recommend for a Linux newbie as the easiest way to 
repurpose an old PC, Mac Laptop or Mini to host Livecode Server for lightweight 
‘LAMP/LAML' dev/test dabbling?

I’ve never had a Linux desktop machine and server-wise, never had to delve below 
C-Panel & WHM on hosted VPS Linux environments - so am very much the newbie on 
this.

Hardware specs would be useful, too - to gauge how far back on the cupboard to 
reach to source an appropriate box!

Thanks & regards,
Keith
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Re: OT: Need some offlist help with PHP-SQL

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Well that's nonsense that php would not be save, you need to make sure 
you are not providing reasons for injections.


You need to use Mysqli or PDO

You could check here: https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=12=27521

It's described in simple ways how to use PHP scripts using PDO as middleware

I use it too, there are a lot of tips on the web how to do it save.


Op 5-5-2020 om 15:27 schreef Rick Harrison via use-livecode:

Hi Tiemo,

If I were you, I would not use PHP just for security reasons alone.

My servers are just pounded all the time with hackers trying to
find PHP exploits.  They even try to install PHP on my server so
they can start hacking away. If you check your server’s log files
I am sure you will find similar hackers trying to hack your PHP.
They may have already been successful too!

If you can do it, I would recommend turning those PHP scripts into
LC scripts as soon as possible.

Good luck,

Rick


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 wrote:

Hello,



I have some LC front end software, calling PHP scripts going on a SQL db.

The PHP scripts are not made by me and they are about 10 years old. I have
to upgrade the PHP version on the webserver of my hosting provider from 7.1
to 7.4 and within my test environment I am getting some PHP errors when
testing with 7.4. Probably the issue is only a very small syntax thing with
missing parentheses or something like that, but I am not good enough in PHP
to find the issue.

If you are willing to help me updating my PHP scripts to 7.4, please give me
a note offlist. I would also like to pay for your work!

Thank you!



Tiemo

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Re: DataView and DataView Tree Updates

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It's line 313 of the stack script of dataview_dbcursor.livecodescript

i downloaded 0.4.0, but files inside where from 20-09-2019

so will download again, maybe i clicked the wrong zip


Op 3-5-2020 om 23:00 schreef Trevor DeVore via use-livecode:

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 1:11 PM JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


your dataview demo throws an error on line 313: it's missing an before
or into or after:


I just downloaded the version 0.4.0 from the Releases page and don't get
any errors.

https://github.com/trevordevore/dataview_demo/releases

Can you provide some more details about what you tested? There was a
missing "into" int the dataview_dbcursor submdoule but that was fixed
before I posted the update. Here is the commit:

https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-database_dbcursor/commit/59cba88e26c17dac819f7137054868b71dcf6617



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Re: DataView and DataView Tree Updates

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Hi Trevore,


FYI

your dataview demo throws an error on line 313: it's missing an before 
or into or after:


probably an into

*put _rowOfId(tId) tRow*

put _rowOfId(tId) into Row


Op 2-5-2020 om 19:42 schreef Trevor DeVore via use-livecode:

Hi,

I've updated the DataView and DataView Tree code in my GitHub repos with a
script that will load all of the necessary files for developers who are not
using the Levure framework. You will find updated instructions in the
README, a link to the latest release, and a link to a demo project showing
what they can do at the following links:

https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview

https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview_tree



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Re: DataView and DataView Tree Updates

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Thanks!

Going to take a look.


Op 2-5-2020 om 19:42 schreef Trevor DeVore via use-livecode:

Hi,

I've updated the DataView and DataView Tree code in my GitHub repos with a
script that will load all of the necessary files for developers who are not
using the Levure framework. You will find updated instructions in the
README, a link to the latest release, and a link to a demo project showing
what they can do at the following links:

https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview

https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-dataview_tree



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Re: Detecting full Mobile Sensor activation

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I did not try the GPS functions yet, although i had an idea a few years 
ago, but that's already available.


It was to track your own kid with their mobile phone, so it would always 
send out the location, so you know as a parent where he/she is.


Hope you solve your issue.


Op 25-4-2020 om 16:33 schreef Graham Samuel via use-livecode:

I do sympathise.

I would love a more comprehensive system of sensor acquisition - but right now 
I’m just trying to cope with the GPS start up issue. Bluetooth and all that is 
further away from me.

Graham


On 25 Apr 2020, at 16:20, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Some apps even measure the heartbeat via the camera and turn on the cameralight.

I don't know how we could do that in LC.

Even for barcode reader the camera light would be convenient for dark spaces, i 
added a feature request, but it's hibernated.

Who knows how long it takes before it gets integrated.

Op 25-4-2020 om 14:07 schreef Graham Samuel via use-livecode:

Typical fitness apps (such as iCardio by FitDigits)  can read various sensors 
including a Heart Rate Monitor via Bluetooth, and one’s location via inbuilt 
GPS. When you start an activity like a run or a workout, the app goes through 
an acquisition phase, and won’t start recording until the sensors are 
functioning. This is made clear to the user by a display.

I want to do this in my LC iOS app, specifically for the GPS. I know how to 
start the location function on the device and I know how to handle the position 
via ‘locationChanged' and/or ‘mobileCurrentLocation', and these work. The big 
problem is at the start of such a sequence. I can use 'mobileStartTracking 
Sensor “location” ’ to get going, but experience shows that this takes an 
unpredictable amount of time, sometimes of the order of seconds. You would 
think that the locationChanged messages wouldn’t start firing until the start 
tracking process had done its job, but it seems this is not so, and nonsense 
locations can appear at the beginning of the sequence. At least that’s my 
experience.

I am loth to use a loop to see if the tracking is really started and legit, and 
anyhow this would be problematical if my app was being inundated with 
‘locationChanged' messages while the loop is running.

Has anyone any experience of this issue? As usual, I feel I’m missing 
something. Perhaps the ‘trackingError’ message might help, but I don’t see how.

Graham



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Re: Detecting full Mobile Sensor activation

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Some apps even measure the heartbeat via the camera and turn on the 
cameralight.


I don't know how we could do that in LC.

Even for barcode reader the camera light would be convenient for dark 
spaces, i added a feature request, but it's hibernated.


Who knows how long it takes before it gets integrated.

Op 25-4-2020 om 14:07 schreef Graham Samuel via use-livecode:

Typical fitness apps (such as iCardio by FitDigits)  can read various sensors 
including a Heart Rate Monitor via Bluetooth, and one’s location via inbuilt 
GPS. When you start an activity like a run or a workout, the app goes through 
an acquisition phase, and won’t start recording until the sensors are 
functioning. This is made clear to the user by a display.

I want to do this in my LC iOS app, specifically for the GPS. I know how to 
start the location function on the device and I know how to handle the position 
via ‘locationChanged' and/or ‘mobileCurrentLocation', and these work. The big 
problem is at the start of such a sequence. I can use 'mobileStartTracking 
Sensor “location” ’ to get going, but experience shows that this takes an 
unpredictable amount of time, sometimes of the order of seconds. You would 
think that the locationChanged messages wouldn’t start firing until the start 
tracking process had done its job, but it seems this is not so, and nonsense 
locations can appear at the beginning of the sequence. At least that’s my 
experience.

I am loth to use a loop to see if the tracking is really started and legit, and 
anyhow this would be problematical if my app was being inundated with 
‘locationChanged' messages while the loop is running.

Has anyone any experience of this issue? As usual, I feel I’m missing 
something. Perhaps the ‘trackingError’ message might help, but I don’t see how.

Graham



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Auto opening of Project Browser

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Hi,

maybe i missed it, but i think not.

Why is in preferences no option, to or not to, always have the Project 
Browser opened when starting LC?


Actually same counts for the message box.


Thanks!

Jerry


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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

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That's not made with livecode right?

Op 18-4-2020 om 15:45 schreef David Bovill via use-livecode:

The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the cartoon 
images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion about privacy 
issues. Not so good for an app.

My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative 
workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference 
that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing to 
drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.

It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space meeting 
when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode workshop on 
making a CORVID-19 app.

My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene some if the 
breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be a fun part of 
that.

I could do with some help though :)
On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact diary as 
mentioned here.

https://www.coronika.app/en 

I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done better?





On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to a 
web app of some sort.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever your 
domain.



On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Thanks!



On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:

On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:

1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have changed 
COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)

This any help?

https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines

--
Mark Wieder
ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

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Next to the Dutch sites, you can also write your Tender(Idea) to 
covid19-...@minvws.nl



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:35 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Don't know if it was said already...

The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so people 
are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.

Any other ideas are welcome.

Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.

Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will decide where 
they go for, or who can build it.

As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know how 
Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te major things.

It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is nearby 
and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there is some kind 
of tracking, albeit privacy safe.

You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.

note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create an app 
for both platforms.

Ciao!

Jerry

Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:

Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:

What would it be designed to help you with?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine



On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in person for a few 
minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" checkboxes that might be 
an aid when interviewed in traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.

This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it only 
helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing questions.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.

And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that we 
could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the story 
telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important aspect and 
a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating 
efforts by other groups?
On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.

Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app.
co...@4catalyzer.com <mailto:co...@4catalyzer.com>

Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
one's own direction?

Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you 
include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.

Dar
team COVID Watch

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

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I found the Tender page where people can write in for this tender, for 
those who are willing, it's in Dutch so if you can't read it, translate it:


https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/ministeries/ministerie-van-volksgezondheid-welzijn-en-sport/nieuws/2020/04/11/oproep-om-mee-te-denken-over-apps

and this is the Tender page where you can Apply to it:

https://www.tenderned.nl/tenderned-tap/aankondigingen/192421


Cheers,

Jerry


Op 11-4-2020 om 21:55 schreef Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode:

Maybe it can also be something like Facetime and give you a "gregarious-ity" 
score.

Maybe it can even work based on Bluetooth classic inquiry. If this works, this 
would work even with older Androids, but I'm not sure about iOS.

1/128th baked: Audio and audio control protocols...


Are there Bluetooth libraries for LC mobile? I expect that serial might be 
there but that might not be very privacy preserving.


Oh, Google and Apple are not putting together an app (yet), they are making an 
engine so we can make cars. Well, I don't know that they are. I have trouble 
keeping up. The API that they are describing is very much like what folks at 
Covid watch, Eastcoast PACT and DP-3T have been describing. Two of those have 
libraries available right now.

Build a car!





On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:35 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Don't know if it was said already...

The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so people 
are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.

Any other ideas are welcome.

Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.

Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will decide where 
they go for, or who can build it.

As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know how 
Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te major things.

It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is nearby 
and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there is some kind 
of tracking, albeit privacy safe.

You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.

note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create an app 
for both platforms.

Ciao!

Jerry

Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:

Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:

What would it be designed to help you with?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine



On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in person for a few 
minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" checkboxes that might be 
an aid when interviewed in traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.

This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it only 
helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing questions.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.

And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that we 
could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the story 
telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important aspect and 
a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating 
efforts by other groups?
On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.

Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app.
co...@4catalyzer.com <mailto:co...@4catalyzer.com>

Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
one's own direction?

Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you 
include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.

Dar
team COVID Watch

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Re: WebDAV library for LC community available which does not depend on tsNet

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Awesome!

thank you very much.

Regards,

JErry

Op 11-4-2020 om 22:09 schreef matthias rebbe via use-livecode:

Hi,

Ralf Bitte released a  WebDAV library , which does not depend on tsNet and can 
therefore also be used
with the Community Edition.

https://github.com/revig/livecode-webdavlib



-
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

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Don't know if it was said already...

The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so 
people are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.


Any other ideas are welcome.

Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.

Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will 
decide where they go for, or who can build it.


As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know 
how Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te 
major things.


It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is 
nearby and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there 
is some kind of tracking, albeit privacy safe.


You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.

note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create 
an app for both platforms.


Ciao!

Jerry

Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:

Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:

What would it be designed to help you with?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine



On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in person for a few 
minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" checkboxes that might be 
an aid when interviewed in traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.

This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it only 
helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing questions.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.

And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that we 
could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the story 
telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important aspect and 
a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating 
efforts by other groups?
On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.

Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app.
co...@4catalyzer.com 

Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
one's own direction?

Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you 
include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.

Dar
team COVID Watch

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App rejected on Google Play, most probably due to Speech API in combination with Applicable for Families/Children

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Hello,


i have a simple app which tells the time and date in dutch and english.


I made the app for people/children who are having difficulty reading 
time and dates by pushing a knob in the app like Kids with Autism/Bad 
Sight/other limiting handicap etcetera, very simple. (of course they can 
ask Hey Google!, but this works for some who don't want to use Hey Google!)


Also i want to extend it with more languages in time, using the set 
system language.


It's a free app.

No personal information is pulled from the device, no location, nothing.

It's perfectly privacy safe & does not contain any Easter Eggs :)

The ESRB score is good for any age.

First i used wav samples, but now i changed it to use the Speech API.

It was allowed for the "OK with Families/Children program(or how it is 
called in English)", anyway, now with the speech API it is rejected.


According to this: 
https://play.google.com/about/families/children-and-families/#!?zippy_activeEl=designed-for-families#designed-for-families


it states:

Als uw app de Android Speech API 
gebruikt, 
moet RecognizerIntent.EXTRA_CALLING_PACKAGE zijn ingesteld op de 
bijbehorende PackageName


In English: the RecognizerIntent.EXTRA_CALLING_PACKAGE must be set with 
the belonging PackageName


Anyone knows what this exactly means? is this something which has been 
set? or which can be set via script?


Must a bug report be made for this?

Thanks for any insight.


Kind regards,

Jerry


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Re: Old Fossil seeks fast track assistance

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

For Android:

Install Oracle Java SDK 1.8.x

Install Android Studio (or the command line version as you only need the 
sdk and some tools) but easier is Android Studio. Then in Android Studio 
download sdk for Android 4.1.2 and 9 or so. And perhaps an emulator.


But there are lessons for it a lessons.livecode.com so you can see what 
to select exactly.


In LC you need to find the Android SDK in the mobile settings, then if 
succeeded it will also auto- select the correct Java JDK.


Create a test app. you can set the where you want it to be deployed for 
test under the development tab in LC.


On a real phone, you can set to developer mode by going into setting and 
then About phone, and if i;m correct on the Build Number you need to tap 
7x then it will start developer mode.


Now connect it to your mac and the phone will ask something, just trust 
and accept. And now you can test on a real phone.


For iOs i thought you can read i the Notes at every LC vesion which 
Xcode version is supported and you need to create Provisioning Profiles 
per project in Xcode.



Regards,

Jerry

Op 4-4-2020 om 10:38 schreef Graham Samuel via use-livecode:

Hi All - sorry this is a bit long, but I need help.

I’m a long term LC developer who more or less retired from development a couple 
of years ago, but I’ve kept on lurking in this list and trying rather 
hopelessly to remain up to date. My experience has been mostly on desktop apps, 
with a little iOS work. I haven’t ever done much on Android. I have just about 
retained my credentials as an Apple developer.

Now I find I really want to develop a mobile app at speed, and deploy it.

I don’t anticipate all that much difficulty in creating my app in the sense of 
designing and coding it - this can call on my own quite extensive experience of 
the past, the LC documentation and this invaluable list. I can reasonable hope 
to create a prototype in a few days. However there is a massive gap: testing 
and deployment.

I don’t have access to my most recent development machine (it’s in another 
country and I’m self-isolating), so I am working with an iMac that can only run 
MacOS High Sierra (and Windows 10 via Parallels, but I was hoping not to go 
there for this project). Now, I clearly need to organise the right version of 
XCode and the right SDK for my iOS development, and I need to do the equivalent 
thing for Android - and I don’t know how to do it.

For iOS, I THINK I need XCode 10.2, which I’m trying to download to replace the 
copy of 9.2 already on my machine. I obviously need to work with a compatible 
SDK. For Android, I don’t know where to start, so for now I am putting this on 
the back burner, but I will have to return to it eventually. Even when I’ve 
lined all this up (if indeed it’s feasible), I then need to remind myself how 
to test via simulators (I used to be good at this, so maybe that is not so 
scary, but I am not at all up to date) and then I need to get the app onto real 
hardware - starting with iPhones, as I’ve got a few of these. I really don’t 
know how to do this for testing, and more so I don’t know how to distribute a 
test version to a small population of testers, although I know this is 
feasible. The whole project may crash and burn at this beta testing stage, so 
actually getting it into the App Store can wait a bit.

Obviously I am not expecting people on this list to hold my hand at every step. 
My main concern is to be guided through the body of LC notes etc to get 
absolutely practical advice and recipes as to what to do at each stage. If I 
study the LC stuff long enough, I will get there, but I would dearly love help 
to fast-track it all.

Thanks

Graham
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