Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

2017-04-14 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Of course we listen. We read what comes in here and on many other venues.
We just don¹t always agree or have time to respond on every point. As far
as the marketing goes, as with all these things we will test different
approaches over time.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 14/04/2017, 09:45, "use-livecode on behalf of Curry Kenworthy via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>My interest is primarily for the .com site, and I'm comfortable sharing
>my opinion. Of course they have every right to their own decision too
>and I have the deepest respect for that. In my experience LiveCode is a
>company that does listen over time, so it's always interesting to have a
>discussion, whatever the venue and final result, always in a friendly
>spirit.



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Is it something perhaps you could get used to?

We are working hard to attract new users to the platform. This has come up
again and again in user testing. This evening we tested this new handler
list on new users for the first time. It went over very well.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 11/07/2017, 23:05, "use-livecode on behalf of Matthias Rebbe via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>
>Matthias Rebbe
>+49 5741 31
>?matthiasrebbe.eu ?
>> 
>> 
>> A new feature in the script editor has been added, this is the ability
>>to
>> choose from a list of default handlers to add to the object script.
>
>I am not sure if i like this new handler list. At least at that place. I
>find it somehow disturbing. I am not sure if this is the correct
>expression.
>Is there a way to hide that list in the editor? Or is there a way to make
>at least the height of that list smaller?
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Re: Fat widgets

2017-07-08 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
I don¹t see why not:

on openStack
   -- Build widgets and libraries
   if the environment is "development" then
  _checkExtension _rootFolder() & "/extensions/com.library.folder.here"
-- insert any others here
end if

end openStack

--
-- Remove all the files with the extension pExtension in the
-- current directory
--
command _removeExtension pExtension
   get "find . -depth 1 -name " & quote & "*." & pExtension & quote && "
-exec rm {} \;"
   get shell(it)
end _removeExtension
--
-- _checkExtension pFolder
--
-- Proceed to build and install the extension in pFolder if need be
--
command _checkExtension pFolder
   local tOldFolder, tFiles
   local tExtensionFolder
   
   set the itemDel to slash
   
   put item -1 of pFolder into tExtensionFolder
   
   put the defaultFolder into tOldFolder
   set the defaultFolder to pFolder
   
   put the detailed files into tFiles
   
   set the itemDel to comma
   
   local tPackageTime, tLcbTime, tPackageName
   
   repeat for each line tFile in tFiles
  local tFilename
  put urlDecode(item 1 of tFile) into tFilename
  
  if tFilename ends with ".lce" then
 -- Get the last modification date of the package
 put item 5 of tFile into tPackageTime
 put urlDecode(tFilename) into tPackageName
 
  else if tFilename ends with ".lcb" then
 -- LCB file we want to check
 put item 5 of tFile into tLcbTime
  end if
   end repeat
   
   -- Guess the extension name from the folder - only take the
   -- first 4 segments, as orientabletext folder, for instance,
   -- also has the version appended to the widget name
   local tExtensionName
   set the itemDel to "."
   put item 1 to 4 of tExtensionFolder into tExtensionName
   
   if tPackageTime is empty or tPackagetime < tLcbTime or \
 tExtensionName is not among the lines of the loadedExtensions then
  -- Missing or outdated extension package, or extension not loaded
  updateMessage "Building and installing extension" && tExtensionFolder
  
  _removeExtension "lci"
  _removeExtension "lce"
  _removeExtension "lcm"
  _removeExtension "xml"
  
  -- Make sure to remove the extension beforehand, installation does
not
  -- work properly if the extension already exists
  revIDEDeveloperExtensionUninstall pFolder
  
  wait 500 milliseconds with messages
  
  revIDEDeveloperExtensionInstall pFolder
  
  load extension from file tPackageName
  
  -- Let the IDE load the extension
  wait 500 milliseconds with messages
   end if
   
   set the defaultFolder to tOldFolder
end _checkExtension

--
-- _rootFolder
--
-- Return the root folder of the application
--
function _rootFolder
   if the environment is "development" then
  set the itemDel to slash
  return item 1 to -3 of the filename of me
  
   else
  return specialFolderPath("engine")
   end if
end _rootFolder


Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 08/07/2017, 14:30, "use-livecode on behalf of Matthias Rebbe via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Kevin,
>
>is it possible to get that script or is it not for the public?
>
>Regards,
>Matthias
>
>Matthias Rebbe
>+49 5741 31
>matthiasrebbe.eu 
>



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Re: Fat widgets

2017-07-08 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
I haven't encountered this because our widgets are a library. But - I'm 
guessing - you could try the revert command?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Jul 2017, at 15:49, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much. :)
> 
> This makes it so much easier to test stacks between 8 and 9.
> 
> I had to make some adjustments, because the source of my extensions is stored 
> somewhere else and the updateMessage is also not present.
> I get the widget recompiled when i load the stack, but the widget in the 
> stack still does not show up correctly. I have to unload and reload the stack 
> again.
> Can i somehow refresh the stack w/o having to unload and load again?


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Re: Fat widgets

2017-07-08 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
What we do one one large project that uses widgets and moves between 8 and
9 is to automatically recompile them on startup using a script. The logic
is simple - if a try determines the widget library functions are not
running and available, uninstall the widget, recompile it and reinstall
it. Its pretty much instant to do that and its mean that (in this project
at least) we¹ve stopped thinking about this issue.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 08/07/2017, 11:22, "use-livecode on behalf of hh via use-livecode"
 wrote:

>This is the current situation:
>[*] A stack that contains a widget that is compiled with LC 8.1.5
>can not be used with any other LC version than LC 8.1.5,
>[*] A stack that contains a widget that is compiled with LC 9.0.0
>can not be used with any other LC version than LC 9.0.0
>
>Mark Waddingham did recently already post thoughts to that here (see
>below).
>
>Option (1) below is the build of "fat widgets" that contain several
>binaries,
>one for each currently valid widget format. Would be great, thus one
>could be
>"downward compatible" in LC 8/9.
>
>Is there any chance to enable such "fat widgets" in the short future?
>[And how is this solved for the current company-widgets (Clock etc.)?]
>
>> On Jun 16, 2017; 11:10 Mark wrote:
>> > [MatthiasRebbe wrote:] Mark,
>> > regarding to recompiling widget for newer LC version:
>> > If i use LC 8 and 9, do i have to recompile it every time i use the
>> > other version?
>> 
>> Right now - yes - the lcm (compiled LCB) formats are not compatible.
>> 
>> There are a couple of potential solutions:
>> 
>> 1) Make it so that multiple LCM versions can sit in the same extension.
>> We can package up the lcb toolchain for each version as a distinct
>> download to help with this.
>> 
>> 2) Have a plugin in the IDE which fetches a git repo containing a widget
>> (or widgets) and compiles them locally. lc-compile is really lightweight
>> and bundled into the IDE so doing this automatically is quite
>> straight-forward.
>> 
>> Case (1) would work for people wanting to distribute lce files which
>> people can just install on their machine. Case (2) is suitable
>> particularly for community widgets - it would mean that anyone
>> subscribing to a particular 'widget repo' could get updates as soon as
>> they are pushed by the maintainer.
>> 
>> I think it is worth doing (1) regardless - it is a simple matter of
>> having say 'module.8.lcm' and 'module.9.lcm' files. The 9 format is
>> unstable until we go GM, but the 8 format is now 'stable' - i.e. won't
>> change ever again.
>
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Re: HTML5 limitations?

2017-07-25 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Yes you can. I'm at a conference just now but hopefully someone knowledgable on 
our team can jump in with more info.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 13:07, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> Can you have a structure similar to having multiple stacks controlled by an 
> LC engine?
> 
> I am really curious how you guys set that up? Using localstorage and cookies 
> are the only methods I know of for doing that in regular html5 with multiple 
> tabs/windows.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Kevin Miller via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Go in window of stack works
>> 
>> You can download stacks just fine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 12:46, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In HTML the browser is the engine that runs both HTML and JavaScript. It is 
>>> possible to have multiple tabs and there are some functions for 
>>> communicating between tabs and windows, but it isn't pretty. You have to 
>>> use localstorage and storage events.
>>> 
>>> This could be made to work similar to an LC engine running multiple stacks, 
>>> but it is like turning real fish into artificial crab. It is a lot of work 
>>> to make something that will probably leave you with a bad taste in your 
>>> mouth.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 3:30 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks. I don't think the sandbox is an issue, the app doesn't read or 
>>>> write to the user's drive at all. The various animations, and splash-stack 
>>>> approach might be a concern, as well as the number of stacks that are in 
>>>> RAM at any one time. Common images and icons are also stored in the 
>>>> standalone, which are displayed in the downloaded stacks as they are 
>>>> opened.
>>>> 
>>>> The only HTML5 examples I've seen are all self-contained single stack 
>>>> standalones.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/25/17 2:00 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Well, the sandbox is a huge issue. JavaScript is not allowed to access 
>>>>> many things that LC can access in the user's system.
>>>>> The sandbox protects against malicious pages.
>>>>> It is very hard to simulate the mouseStillDown handler in HTML/JS.
>>>>> My app is a hybrid of LC and html5. The pace of development for LC is 
>>>>> easily 10 times faster for me.
>>>>> LC text processing and array management is much much more flexible.
>>>>> "Get the keys of myArray" beats enumerating through a JS array any day.
>>>>> JS does not have true associative arrays, although you can work around 
>>>>> that with datamaps.
>>>>> JS does not have programmatic access to the clipboard.
>>>>> Most of the limitations are related to security issues. If the sandbox is 
>>>>> not an issue, then html5 will probably work, but they should expect to 
>>>>> spend a fortune and live with a long development cycle with painfully 
>>>>> slow bug fixes.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a client that wants to move our project to HTML5. I have some 
>>>>>> doubts about the capabilities, could someone tell me what is currently 
>>>>>> possible and what is not?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is a very large set of stacks, run by a standalone that loads 
>>>>>> content on demand from a server. It is image-heavy and interacts with a 
>>>>>> networked database. There is lots of navigation between stacks and many 
>>>>>> hundreds of cards. At any given time, there can be up to a dozen stacks 
>>>>>> held in RAM. There is also heavy use of visual effects and animation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software   |

Re: HTML5 limitations?

2017-07-25 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Go in window of stack works

You can download stacks just fine

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 12:46, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> In HTML the browser is the engine that runs both HTML and JavaScript. It is 
> possible to have multiple tabs and there are some functions for communicating 
> between tabs and windows, but it isn't pretty. You have to use localstorage 
> and storage events.
> 
> This could be made to work similar to an LC engine running multiple stacks, 
> but it is like turning real fish into artificial crab. It is a lot of work to 
> make something that will probably leave you with a bad taste in your mouth.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 3:30 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. I don't think the sandbox is an issue, the app doesn't read or write 
>> to the user's drive at all. The various animations, and splash-stack 
>> approach might be a concern, as well as the number of stacks that are in RAM 
>> at any one time. Common images and icons are also stored in the standalone, 
>> which are displayed in the downloaded stacks as they are opened.
>> 
>> The only HTML5 examples I've seen are all self-contained single stack 
>> standalones.
>> 
>>> On 7/25/17 2:00 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Well, the sandbox is a huge issue. JavaScript is not allowed to access many 
>>> things that LC can access in the user's system.
>>> The sandbox protects against malicious pages.
>>> It is very hard to simulate the mouseStillDown handler in HTML/JS.
>>> My app is a hybrid of LC and html5. The pace of development for LC is 
>>> easily 10 times faster for me.
>>> LC text processing and array management is much much more flexible.
>>> "Get the keys of myArray" beats enumerating through a JS array any day.
>>> JS does not have true associative arrays, although you can work around that 
>>> with datamaps.
>>> JS does not have programmatic access to the clipboard.
>>> Most of the limitations are related to security issues. If the sandbox is 
>>> not an issue, then html5 will probably work, but they should expect to 
>>> spend a fortune and live with a long development cycle with painfully slow 
>>> bug fixes.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Jul 25, 2017, at 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 I have a client that wants to move our project to HTML5. I have some 
 doubts about the capabilities, could someone tell me what is currently 
 possible and what is not?
 
 This is a very large set of stacks, run by a standalone that loads content 
 on demand from a server. It is image-heavy and interacts with a networked 
 database. There is lots of navigation between stacks and many hundreds of 
 cards. At any given time, there can be up to a dozen stacks held in RAM. 
 There is also heavy use of visual effects and animation.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 -- 
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
 
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Re: Feature Race: Pick Your Project

2017-07-05 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
I¹m not sure if its apathy or more likely just the holiday weekend. That
said...

I¹m sorry its taken so long to do Infinite LiveCode. As I¹ve said in my
keynote, in the comments section and on the blog, we wouldn¹t be funding a
new project if it that one wasn¹t in the last stages of being wrapped up.
Android has been mostly delivered and the other platforms and stretch
goals are a small piece now. We really have finally cracked this project,
getting it into a build is the last step.

The reality is that we now need to look at what we are doing next and what
is affordable. If we don¹t fund this project, the knock on effects for the
platform will be very significant. We¹re already a very small team that
punches well above our weight. We have the potential for a very bright
future with the rather amazing stuff that you can now do. Check out Ali¹s
blog post on Android and wait a few more days for more. We can build on
everything we¹ve just created and maintain the considerable momentum we
have built or we can shrink.


Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 05/07/2017, 18:24, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Brown via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>The comments section on the pledge page gives a good insight as to why
>there may be a feeling of apathy towards this fundraiser
>
>The infinite livecode campaign from last year was not handled well in
>terms
>of communicating progress to the community, with questions about the
>sqlite
>library rewrite remaining unanswered
>
>On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow.  I'm surprised we aren't closer to getting this funded.  c'mon
>>y'all
>> let's get this funded!
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
>> use-livecode  wrote:
>>
>> > I had similar feelings, (I have taken almost every pitch to "pay in
>> > advance for X number of years for this discount or thatŠ ) so when we
>>get
>> > hit up again for development that one would hope would be just part of
>> the
>> > product road map, it does indeed seem odd. Even "advanced smooth
>> scrolling
>> > graphics" seems odd to be funding, since all this is doing is bring
>>the
>> LC
>> > mobile on parity with any other smooth flowing app.
>> >
>> > This is terribly obvious, but just to say it all again:
>> >
>> > Thinking about it, one has to appreciate the challenge the company
>>faces.
>> > Having gone open source, Livecode moves to a world where everyone and
>>his
>> > kid sister thinks programming is free. PHP, Javascript, python,
>> CSSŠpeople
>> > living in those world just don't pay for their tools.
>> >
>> > So if open source users are going up (which apparently they are)Š that
>> > doesn't help us (to say the obvious)
>> >
>> > If not enough of them are using LC to build products for sale to
>>support
>> > themselves, OR are not using the tools in-house inside Enterprise
>>(like
>> we
>> > do here, even though we are non -profit we do have software budgets)
>> where
>> > budgets are such that the ROI on paid license(s) is well worth it.
>>And it
>> > would be easy enough for some unscrupulous for-profit company to have
>>5
>> > coders on community and only one license and pretty much get away with
>> > itŠ(which is cheating of course)Š
>> >
>> > So  If the user "pie" of those whose are paying  <> equal $ to support
>> the
>> > company and + hours for features, how does LC handle this, to stay
>>alive?
>> >  And we all want it to stay aliveŠright?
>> >
>> > I was hoping to talk to Kevin about some other ideas for solutionsŠ
>>but
>> he
>> > is busy. Perhaps I need to fly to Scotland for tea. In the meantime, I
>> > voted/pledged for the DataGrid2/GraphicsUpgrade.
>> >
>> > Brahmanathaswamai
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/24/17, 7:41 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via
>> > use-livecode" > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > So the Feature Race lets me choose between "Hosting debugger" and
>> > Datagrid 2.
>> >
>> > Hmpphhh!
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > I have a hard time voting for, or funding, Hosting debugger. I
>> already
>> > paid for that, back in 2009.
>> >
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Kognition Beta Test - call for volunteers

2017-04-28 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Hi Everyone,

A slightly unusual post from me today. For those of you that don¹t know,
LiveCode has been working in partnership with a new company as a joint
venture, to build an app to help manage information. We have built a system
that uses artificial intelligence techniques to help organize, sort and work
with documents. While this is an entirely separate company, the app has been
built in LiveCode (and utilizes a wide range of other technologies too).

Kognition is intended to help you manage the increasing volumes of
information that you create or receive, as well as being a tool to help
researchers conduct research or businesses to collect and analyze
information such as customer enquiries or bug reports. It presents an
artificially intelligent front-end that lets you relate documents together,
as well as organize, cluster and discover information in the relationships.
For example, if you are working on a project and receive an email with an
attachment, it can show you what other documents on your hard drive relate
to that attachment or are relevant to the project. If you have a customer
enquiry asking for a particular feature you can explore all the other
questions to find out how many others are asking about similar topics. The
system goes far beyond simple keyword analysis, for example it can relate
documents together that do not have the same words in them.

Today we have our very first beta available. Its a private beta, so if you
are interested in trying it out please drop me a note off list. Please
include a very short description of your company or you together with what
you might potentially use the system for. The first beta is Mac only and
requires a recent, high-end machine. Subsequent betas will extend to other
platforms and reduce system requirements. If you don¹t have a high end Mac
available today but are still interested, let me know and I can still send
you the videos to look at and include you in subsequent betas. Thanks in
advance for your interest.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty

2017-06-20 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Sooner would have been better. However just in case you missed it, the
architecture has been available to play with for many months and a native
field for Android is doable in 9-dp-7 posted last week. You have to change
a few words in Ali¹s native button LCB file - he explained which ones in
his talk. We¹ll follow with a blog post on that too shortly. There is a
widget course available https://livecode.com/topic/introduction-2/ now
which covers getting started with widgets. We will add in the info about
the FFI layer to that course shortly. We will also modify the object Ali
supplied to cover a whole variety of other native controls from the tools
palette given each is just a tweak to that LCB. Its all in there and open
source right now. Objective-C (and thus iOS) will be in DP 8.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 20/06/2017, 16:13, "use-livecode on behalf of Andrew Bell via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>I'd have a little more faith in crowd funding app features if the
>Native Field Object that I contributed for a year ago was available.
>
>https://livecode.com/project/infinite-livecode-native-field-object/
>
>--Andrew Bell
>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:57:30 -0400
>> From: Mike Kerner 
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Subject: Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty
>> Message-ID:
>>  
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> and another case where we should have a little crowd fund setup.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 12:49 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Right, but every time you open the script and then close it again, it
>>> keeps asking if you want to save the default. It gets irritating.
>>> >
>>> > I sometimes just replace the default entry with a single space and
>>>save
>>> it that way. Then it doesn't ask me again.
>>> >
>>> > I wouldn't mind a preference to turn off the default scripts.
>>> > --
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>>> > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Datagrid 2

2017-12-05 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
I gave a demo of the progress on it in the last LCG. Its still on track
for completion in the last DP before Christmas.

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On 05/12/2017, 18:50, "use-livecode on behalf of Tom Glod via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Hi folks, I'm bidding on a project and would like to get a sense as to the
>eta of datagrid 2 especially on mobile. I would love to buy a LC Indy
>License and do the job.
>
>During Campaign the eta was oct/november, but i get they are just
>estimates.  Is there a more up to date eta?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Hi Sean,

I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.

If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One of
the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have given
us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.

Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to stay
on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward. At
present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
at what needs to be updated.

Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 02/05/2018, 15:27, "use-livecode on behalf of Andre Garzia via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Sean,
>
>Do you have a support package? They don't monitor this list close, it
>might
>be better to call them over the phone while sending a direct email to
>Heather. At least this is somewhat fixable on their side. I remember when
>I
>lost a ton of money when Apple decided that only Obj-C/Cocoa apps would be
>allowed on the store at the same time I was supposed to deliver a project.
>
>This kind of setback happens to everyone in the long run when we're using
>APIs outside our control. My advise would be to ping RunRev directly while
>calling the client, explaining that google deprecated a technology used in
>the project and thus it requires an extension.
>
>On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> It's all too late now. I'm walking with egg on my face. No response
>>from LC
>> still. despite being marked as urgent. To use the browser widget I would
>> have had to write the whole wrapper from scratch rather than use merg
>> dependance. If it had been written properly in the first place it would
>>not
>> have been an issue. Had it had a warning on it (and not suppressed) I
>>would
>> have been aware. Now my life is over. Worst Day Ever! Miserable. Rained
>>on
>> and soaked through. Insurance doesn't cover for events like this and not
>> one person at LC or on here will be able to help me out of this hole. I
>> guess this is goodbye.
>>
>> Sean Cole
>> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> www.pidigital.co.uk
>> +44(1634)402193
>> +44(7702)116447
>> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is
>>no
>> box!'
>> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
>>of,
>> but it is yourself!'
>>
>> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>>
>> On 2 May 2018 at 15:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround
>>so
>> > that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not).
>>v9 is
>> > > basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and
>> virtually
>> > > unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it
>>is
>> > > actually fully operational.
>> > >
>> > > Sean Cole
>> > > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> > > www.pidigital.co.uk
>> > > +44(1634)402193
>> > > +44(7702)116447
>> > > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There
>>is
>> no
>> > > box!'
>> > > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look
>>outside
>> > of,
>> > > but it is yourself!'
>> > >
>> > > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> > > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>> > >
>> > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
>> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Sean,
>> > > >
>> > > > I feel your pain 

Re: Livecode.com server down

2018-02-15 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Unfortunately we¹ve been the subject of a spate of sustained, intensive
hacking attempts. We had a series of incidents the other week and the last
couple of days has been a new round of attempts from a different angle.
We¹ve fought them off yet again, but some of our team are very tired.
Heather for one was up half the night. The systems are well designed and
no customer data has been affected.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 15/02/2018, 07:57, "use-livecode on behalf of Dave Kilroy via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>What Heather told me the last time this happened was to:
>
>a) disconnect your development machine from the internet
>b) launch LiveCode (it opens in offline mode)
>c) reconnect your development machine to the internet
>d) continue making awesome apps with LC
>
>
>
>-
>"The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes
>the other 90% of the time."
>Peter M. Brigham 
>--
>Sent from: 
>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.htm
>l
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-23 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
In my LiveCode Global team report in January.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 22/02/2018, 15:42, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Todd Fabacher wrote:
>
> > As Kevin announced before...
>
>Where was this announced?
>
>-- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>
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Re: Digital Pomegranate

2018-04-23 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Man that sounds rough. I hope things become ok over there.

Kevin

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On 23/04/2018, 12:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Todd Fabacher via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>There are few moments in life that are more important than business and
>coding, this is one of them. All of Digital Pomegranate is our on the
>street rejecting the former president who had grabbed power after his term
>limits and has become a dictator in the former Soviet country. As you
>would
>expect, lots of arrests and the hospitals are full. Let's just hope they
>don't start shooting as have threatened to do.
>
>This has been going on for 10 days now and will continue. It is now
>starting to hit the nightly news cycle, so you will see it in the next few
>days. The internet has been on and off and now the entire company is on
>the
>streets asking for a free election and better government, so we will not
>be
>providing support for our new widgets for a few days.
>
>https://www.rferl.org/a/armenia-fresh-protests-sarkisian-yerevan-pashinian
>/29186416.html
>
>--Todd Fabacher
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Re: Livecloud Bundle Offer

2019-04-28 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Hi folks,

I¹m glad there is excitement about this offer.

However a little note of caution. At various points we make offers that
target specific groups for all sorts of reasons. For example, we might
offer a bundle to someone who has been on our mailing list for a long time
and who has never ever bought a license from us. In those cases it makes
sense for us to try to help move you up to the commercial version, in the
hope that as you use the commercial features and enjoy a level of success,
you may become a full price subscriber to at least one of the various
things we offer subscriptions to.

Clearly it would be completely unsustainable for us as a business to do
something like that if you weren¹t in such a category as our bread and
butter is revenue of all sorts from our subscriber base. The purpose of
this type of offer is increase the odds we ultimately grow full price
subscribers and purchasers. The Simulcast is certainly not available for
less than the list price to anyone, the conference is very expensive to
run and packed with valuable content.

If you get such an offer it states clearly it is personal to you and not
transferable. So posting it on the list puts us in the difficult position
of potentially having to decline a purchase from individuals who did not
receive it. That's not a situation we ever want to be in as it leads to
disappointment all round, but we don¹t really have a choice. This was not
a general offer open to everyone.

In general if you have questions about offers, pricing, licensing etc we
greatly appreciate it if you post them to supp...@livecode.com. This list
is about using LiveCode, and as such I would like to declare an end to
this thread.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 28/04/2019, 16:06, "use-livecode on behalf of Rick Harrison via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Hi Matthias,
>
>Nice one, but no thanks.
>
>Sometimes bundling isn¹t the best option for LiveCode vets.
>Individual offerings might be better for some of us.
>
>I don¹t think the mothership should leave money
>on the table by not offering other options.
>
>Just my 2 cents for the day.
>
>Enjoy your day! :-)
>
>Rick
>
>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You can order just the Simulcast here
>>https://livecode.com/california19/simulcast/
>> 
>> for 149$. ;)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 28.04.2019 um 04:35 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode
>>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I have a Lifetime Indy LiveCode license.  So I don¹t need that.
>>> I have a Lifetime On-Rev license.
>>> I run my own servers with Postgresql as my database.
>>> (I really don¹t need LiveCloud yet.)
>>> I do not want to attend the conference in person.
>>> 
>>> So yes, in my case, the deal isn¹t good enough for me.
>>> I might only have interest in just the simulcast and recordings.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for asking.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
 wrote:
 
 On 4/27/19 6:45 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
 
> Is there a way to just get full access to the 2019 Simulcast
>streaming and recordings?
 
 Because $149 for that PLUS a LiveCloud subscription AND a permanent
9.0 license isn't a good enough deal for you?
 
 If you buy a $199 ticket to attend the conference and want to add
just the simulcast and recordings, that alone will add $149.
 
 -- 
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 ahsoftw...@gmail.com
 
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[OT] Personal project

2019-10-24 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Hi folks,

This is initial launch of a new personal project of mine, not strictly LiveCode 
related. I hope you'll indulge this one time me if I post a link to it here. 
Perhaps some of you might be interested in it.

Annihilate Depression is a practical guide to overcoming depression based on my 
experiences:
http://annihilatedepression.com 

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: [OT] Personal project

2019-10-24 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Sean, thanks so much for this heartfelt response. BPD and Autism are 
particularly tough nuts to crack and I really feel for you. I've got plenty to 
say relevant to both believe it or not. I'll get there in time. And I agree 
that making others around you happy is a very important part of the meaning of 
life.

Thanks also to those others of you who wrote such positive responses today. I 
was a little nervous launching this and felt it was something that I needed to 
do nonetheless. It's clear this is something that has touched many of you or 
those around you. The friendly responses to this effort are so encouraging.

I don't want to lead this list deeply off topic by posting in a great deal of 
detail here. However if you want to engage on the channel itself with comments, 
feedback and questions either now or on future videos, I'll be very happy to 
respond on there as much as I can.

Thanks again for the feedback and for being the community that you are.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 24/10/2019, 15:47, "use-livecode on behalf of Sean Cole (Pi) via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Dearest Kevin,

Massive respect to you for choosing, against the advice of your associates,
to make this public. I just watched the intro video and will continue to
follow the channel with deep interest.

As you are very likely aware, I have battled, often unsuccessfully, with
'clinical' depression and more recently been diagnosed with BPD (Borderline
Personality Disorder) and Autism. I recently found out that BPD is the most
discriminated against condition on the planet - which is nice! Health
Insurance costs up to 10 times more than any other condition. The stigma
behind these conditions is what can perpetuate them if not checked or
fought.

The NHS just wrote me off their books a year on since my last big incident.
They have to do that though, I understand it's not their fault. But, in the
last year, I have learnt a lot. I have learned the Meaning of Life! It is
simply 'To Make Others Around You Happy'. Helping others is helping
yourself. Showing interest in and care for others is really important. And
so-called 'social media' is deadly and abusive. It is far, far better to
get to know people up close and personal than via a corrupt intermediatory.

I am extremely grateful to all those on this group who supported me and put
up with my behaviour. It will never be forgotten. Also to those closest to
me for all they have done, especially my wife of 24 years, Judith.

I wish you all the success you deserve for both overcoming your conditions
and in maintaining your business. A good example to follow!

All the very best

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
+44(1634)402193
+44(7702)116447
'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 13:56, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> This is initial launch of a new personal project of mine, not strictly
> LiveCode related. I hope you'll indulge this one time me if I post a link
> to it here. Perhaps some of you might be interested in it.
>
> Annihilate Depression is a practical guide to overcoming depression based
> on my experiences:
> http://annihilatedepression.com
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>
>
>
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