Re: Considering work with livecode server

2021-01-19 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
When livecode supports WebAssembly as a build target you'll be able to do
what you've asked

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021, 20:46 William Prothero via use-livecode, <
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> Thanks, all, for your comments. It would sure be nice if there was some
> equivalent to shockwave, back in the days. Of course, downloadable plug-ins
> like shockwave and flash apparently have too many security issues and are
> not allowed anymore.
>
> HTML5 eventually? I assume HTML5 apps would run in a browser.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill
>
> > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If only!
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > A website from 1995
> > needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021.
> >
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Re: Livecode Builder - passing lcs string to C functions

2020-12-31 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Thanks so much for this Trevor, I can now retrieve requests from and
respond to a virtual threaded http server which is nice. Now trying to work
out how not to block the engine when the function that calls the server
waits for a new request to come in i..e callback functions purely within
lcb

Dan



On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:09 PM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
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> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:02 AM Dan Brown via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi I'm stuck trying to find examples of passing lcs strings to a C
> function
> > via pointer and it's driving me mad! I can retrieve char * pointers from
> C
> > functions, convert to string and pass back to lcs but haven't come across
> > any easy to grok examples of sending data to C. Any guidance would be
> > appreciated
>
>
> I've used MCStringConvertToBytes to convert strings to a value you can pass
> in as const char*. I have a hunspell example you can reference.
>
> Here is a link to the Hunspell_spell definition:
>
>
> https://github.com/hunspell/hunspell/blob/8a2fdfe5a6bb1cbafc04b0c8486abcefd17ad903/src/hunspell/hunspell.h#L69
>
> ```
> LIBHUNSPELL_DLL_EXPORTED int Hunspell_spell(Hunhandle* pHunspell, const
> char*);
> ```
>
> Here is a link to the LCB code that passes a UTF8 string to Hunspell_spell:
>
> https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-hunspell/blob/master/hunspell.lcb#L150
>
> Here is a link to the MCStringConvertToBytes definition in the LCB file:
>
> https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-hunspell/blob/master/hunspell.lcb#L19
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Livecode Builder - passing lcs string to C functions

2020-12-28 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Hi I'm stuck trying to find examples of passing lcs strings to a C function
via pointer and it's driving me mad! I can retrieve char * pointers from C
functions, convert to string and pass back to lcs but haven't come across
any easy to grok examples of sending data to C. Any guidance would be
appreciated

Thanks

Dan
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Re: LibURL and TSNet in LC Indy

2020-08-19 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Hi Tom,

Word of caution on using Fiber, it only uses a subset of the http/1.1
standard (i.e. it's not standards compliant) and doesn't support http2

Have used the below libs in production and can recommend their usage if the
above is an issue

Echo - https://echo.labstack.com/guide
Chi - https://github.com/go-chi/chi

Regards

Dan

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:58 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
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> Yes!! that is an important distinction.  It explains some of the results of
> my testsEven though I can send them out asynchronously, they can only
> come back in sequence.
>
> Basically I have a core binary component that must be fast and efficient in
> serving and digesting api requests...I couldn't use LC for that.  I am
> using Go with the fiber library to be the core service and push all results
> to livecode front-end.
> So I am testing the throughput abilities of Livecode (both community and
> indy) to this local service.
> I anticipate crazy speeds with Fiber when I test this with TSNet.
>
> I will share my results, when I have completed all my tests.
>
> Thanks Again
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:50 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 8/19/20 8:08 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> > > I get a 404 error on the download.
> >
> > Change the directory to "tsnet" instead of "tsNet"
> >
> > <
> >
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/tsNet_libUrl_loadUrl.livecode
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 18, 2020, at 9:52 PM, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsNet/tsNet_libUrl_loadUrl.livecode
> >
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-03 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites backend, you
might be better off picking a modern frontend framework (bulma,react,vue
etc) and showing examples of websites using it.

As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files, html
templates )

https://getgrav.org/

https://getkirby.com/


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> Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> https://revigniter.com/
>
> "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the
> presumably largest Hindu website  in
> existence."
> https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 
>
> Best regards,
> Torsten
>
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> >
> > Dear LiveCode experts:
> >
> > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with
> LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites
> are created with LiveCode server.
> >
> > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> >
> > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> >
> > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> >
> > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

2020-04-04 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Definitely not a startup, they employ 700 developers in China. In fact your
data is passing through China, and being passed on to facebook also.

https://jitsi.org/ is a great open source Zoom alternative

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:30 David Bovill via use-livecode, <
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> Except of course I missed the meeting :)
>
> Is the recording available yet?
>
> On 4 Apr 2020, 12:20 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
> > I’ve spent some time yesterday working on an open source Livecode
> library for the Zoom API. I’m hoping a few of us could start collaborating
> on that as an outcome of the Zoom today?
> >
> > Will try to get that on Github by the meeting. It’s a script only stack.
> Anyone else working with API’s and Livecode want to join?
> > On 4 Apr 2020, 06:28 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > > Mark Wieder wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm *very* impressed with Zoom's engineering team, rolling out a new
> > > > version to quash this vulnerability asap. I got prompted to install
> > > > the new version this morning. Upgrading was painless. Not only is
> > > > Zoom being super-responsive about this (and given the publicity
> lately
> > > > it stands to reason that they would) but they're being upfront about
> > > > the issues and backtracking and patching in public in real time. You
> > > > don't often see companies with this size a customer base turn on a
> > > > dime like this.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > I knew nothing about Zoom until a few weeks ago, but everything I've
> > > read since is impressive.
> > >
> > > And as both technologists and citizens, in addition to what Zoom is,
> > > also valuable is what they're not: not Google Hangouts, not Apple
> > > FaceTime, not Microsoft Teams, etc. A startup this successful outside
> > > the Big Five is helpful for everyone, and devs in particular.
> Developers
> > > thrive in diverse and fluid ecosystems.
> > >
> > > And did you notice Zoom's API docs?
> > > https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/guides/tools-resources/zoom-apis
> > >
> > > I've only started reading them, but the functionality seems like a very
> > > empowering compliment to LC's GUI capabilities, esp. for integrating
> > > with other services an organization may need.
> > >
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Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?

2019-10-03 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I'm sure that LC HQ would have loved to solely preside over the language
and a flourishing opensource and enterprise community that kept the lights
on . Unfortunately that just hasn't happened since the kickstarter
campaign. Without the LCFM  lifeline I think they may have ceased to exist
in the medium term.



On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:08 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> poor comms don't make this better.  one good thing about LCG was that we
> had bi-monthly updates.  this year, no comms.
> i am less hopeful that the influx of new revenue will matter in the medium
> term, because most of the effort will be on the requests that are tied to
> the new revenue.
> every time this has happened with any other tool we use here, we wait with
> disappointment.  then at any sign of effort, we get excited, and then we
> seep back into disappointment.
> it's feeling like it's time to back-burner LC, too.  there is good energy
> from about 50 people, but the mother ship is doing a poor job of managing
> that energy.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!)  LCFM
> > works out that the company will have
> > an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly
> > subscriptions.
> >
> > My very short post (cut down from my usual rants) was lobbing a tiny hand
> > grenade in to arena, and see if someone at LCHQ
> > bites and tells us something of consequence rather than "it's going well"
> > or LC will be the better for all the new stuff they are working on.
> >
> > Surely if they have some extra money coming in they can have someone
> > working on finishing all the (paid for) promises and milestones.
> > (HH and Sean  I feel your pain - HTML5 anyone?). I'm reading between the
> > lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use
> > are being treated like mushrooms.
> >
> > "Soon" can be years rather than months and weeks - and typically is
> years.
> > For example Filemaker has a precision of 16 to 400 digits. So that MUST
> > have been coded for, will we get that retrofitted in the future .
> > I'm not asking because I need 400 digits but you never know.
> >
> > Filemaker has data binding and field Validation.
> >
> >
> https://fmhelp.filemaker.com/help/16/fmp/en/#page/FMP_Help%2Ffield-validation.html%23
> >
> > (I could do that in Clipper in 1985 with field masks). Yes I've rolled my
> > own but their are things  better done as a standard in an LC library.
> >
> > When is the IDE that still crashes at least 4 times a day whenever I  run
> > through more than 5 breakpoints in succession,going to get some love.
> > What about the Script Editor being SLOWER than molasses - 4 seconds
> between
> > key presses.
> > What about Sqlite engine/library, the 2D physics where we were told there
> > was a working version over a year ago. The Sound on Linux. What about the
> > raspberry PI version. I shouldn't need to go on.
> >
> > I want LCFM  to work like the next guy but please tell us what is going
> on
> > and  when.
> >
> > I'd rather base my decisions on facts rather than airy fairy words.
> >
> > Are more programmers coming on board or is LCFM the new shiny object?
> >
> >
> > 
> > Sorry for the Mr Angry tone , but I'm a little (make that very irritated)
> > at the moment, as I  just got off the phone to the Bank where the Zombie
> > script reader who asked me 8 (countem EIGHT questions) to get me past
> > security
> > and I was only phoning up to ask why my Card Readers hadn't arrived.
> > People can have £70,000 taken out of their accounts with just a sortcode,
> > name and account number and I am asked for 8 pieces of information to ask
> > where the card readers  that were ordered nearly 3 weeks ago were!!!
> > 
> >
> > Regards Lagi
> >
> > p.s.
> >
> > Two Card readers turned up after my call. - Two more are on their way.
> > Maybe if i look at downloads ther might be a version 10 Stable of
> Livecode
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 23:25, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We all need livecode the company to be stable and profitable, so if
> they
> > > have to temporarily focus on x to create long term viability, then they
> > > should do it. Maybe just let everyone know what the plan isand
> maybe
> > on
> > > a release with multiple bug fixes such as 9.05 is important to
> prioritize
> > > it a little bit.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the
> > > > launch
> > > > > at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there
> is
> > > some
> > > > > momentum building there. 

Re: Is HTML5 really practical?

2019-09-01 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
With WebAssembly (WASM) now shipping in most modern browsers there doesn't
seem much point in continuing development on the current (somewhat broken)
Enscripten driven approach to delivering lc on the web.

Hopefully lc have already started looking into compiling to wasm

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/a-cartoon-intro-to-webassembly/



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> Folks:
> I’m considering making a web site that will use livecode’s html5 engine.
> Is this practical?
>
> What I want to create is a signup system for a kayaking club. Paddles are
> scheduled for each week and members enter their names for various paddle
> times. The member list would be in a database and there would also be a
> membership page with entries for various aspects of their skill levels.
>
> HH’s demos see to show reasonable engine load times, but I’m wondering
> whether it might be easier and better to just use the engine as a cgi and
> do everything in css and html.
>
> Frankly, I haven’t seen any compelling use case for livecode's html5. Is
> there one, at this time?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
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Re: Sean?

2018-05-08 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I just received word from Sean's family, he is safe and is coping with last
week's difficult events

On Tue, 8 May 2018, 15:40 prothero--- via use-livecode, <
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> Folks,
>
> I second what Lagi posted. A donation may not only provide needed funds,
> but sends a message to Sean, and all on this list, that we are a community
> that care not only about the product we are creating, but the folks who are
> creating it. That message is sent, whether the donation is 5 or 100.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Gofundme are very credible and trustworthy.
> >
> > I contacted them and they said I can change who the beneficiary is - to
> his
> > spouse or other family member.
> > So the correct people will get the money whatever the situation - God I
> > hate having to think about the worst case.
> >
> > I thought the same when  I set it up but the what the heck (words to that
> > effect) I lose £100 so what - my family will still be OK.
> >
> > Everybody, if you can  please give  what you can  afford now, not the
> > minimum that will make you feel that you have done your bit. It will go
> to
> > the correct people - this isn't PayPal who holds money on a whim.
> >
> > Regards Lagi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 May 2018 at 01:18, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> On 05/02/2018 11:14 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All
> >>>
> >>> I have set it up - but I want to have the money go directly to Sean
> >>>
> >>> Ive just read that if I put seans email address in it will send him an
> >>> invite so he will be the only one able to withdraw funds.
> >>>
> >>> I am waiting his acceptance but I think we can add to it without him
> >>> accepting -I HAVE NO WAY OF WITHDRAWING MONEY FROM THIS ACCOUNT.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.gofundme.com/scemergency
> >>>
> >>
> >> So... has anyone heard from Sean yet?
> >> I'm reluctant to put money into a gofundme account that is nonrefundable
> >> if nobody can access the funds. That seems like a bottomless pit.
> >>
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Re: TSNet updated to include PUT and PATCH

2018-05-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I wish we had gRPC for communicating with firebase / cloud Firestone, would
be so much easier

On Sat, 5 May 2018, 22:20 ivara via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Glad i finally found some information about PUT in a html method (not the
> put something into another object).
>
> The current challange:
>
> -> Working with a solution that requires me to write a desktop / app that
> communicates with REST API.
> -> POST is the starting point, and the values sent to the REST API is
> accepted in this case the order in a purchase is created.
> -> The second part that is required is to issue a PUT statement with the
> total amount for the order ( a numeric value).
> -> POST and GET is a no brainer in livecode, but how the h#¤%% do I send a
> PUT the the REST API to update the processing ID and total amount for the
> order?
>
> Tested in Postman and this code works like a charm: (notibly the auth key
> is
> scrambled, but it is working)
>
> PUT /payments/1140066900/link HTTP/1.1
> Host: api.quickpay.net
> accept-version: v10
> Content-Type: multipart/form-data; boundary=MyTest001
> Authorization: Basic OjM4MT...
> Cache-Control: no-cache
> Postman-Token: 95b8e245-0097-4559f-b936-d48e7a8927a5
>
> --MyTest001
> Content-Disposition: form-data; name="amount"
>
> 650
> --MyTest001--
>
>
> Tried all kinds of methods to get PUT working like e.g. the POST statement
> with very similar syntax that works from Livecode, but no way.
>
> This is the error:
>
> {
> "message": "Validation error",
> "errors": {
> "target_operation": [
> "does not have a valid value"
> ]
> },
> "error_code": null
> }
>
> Basically it replies like this because it thinks a POST is being submitted.
> Actually this is the copy paste from PostMan, but same detail in debug in
> livecode after execute of the statment. And yes; the reason is that a "PUT"
> statement is submitted to the REST API from livecode using "POST tBody
> (body
> element) to url "https://;
>
>
> Don't care what method I have to use to solve this, I just need something
> that works. Please help, been searching and debugging for two days now..
>
> cheers!
>
> Ivar
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Gofundme posted in the Forums

2018-05-04 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
No news I'm afraid

the nature of the message was to the effect that Sean had expressed having
a difficult day and was he ok, there is a caring community of people that
are asking after him etc ..

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
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> Dan messaged Sean's wife on Facebook yesterday  -  I found here on facebook
> last night and her last post was July of last year I think.
>
> But No News yet.
>
> Any updates Dan?
>
> Regards Lagi
>
> On 3 May 2018 at 22:18, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > any update on this?...anyone talk to sean?
> >
> > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Well done Lagi
> > >
> > > Sean hang in there
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > "The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10%
> takes
> > > the other 90% of the time."
> > > Peter M. Brigham
> > > --
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> > > Revolution-User-f278306.html
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Re: Emergency Help?

2018-05-03 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
 The emergency services were contacted yesterday to check on his well
being, they don't often report back on such things for privacy reasons.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:56 PM, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Lags,
> Can you post a link to the go fund me site for Sean, where I can make
> donations? I’m in the US and I get 53 sites when I search on his name. I’d
> like to make a donation.
>
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 3, 2018, at 6:51 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I phoned a couple of times yesterday on gis mobile.
> >
> > Phoned today on his mobile and Landline - both no answer
> >
> > Also emailed him
> >
> > His contact details are here.
> >
> > 34 Victoria Road
> > Chatham, Kent. ME4 5EL
> > t +44 (0) 1634 402193
> > m +44 (0) 7702 116447
> > e s...@pidigital.co.uk
> > r pidigital.co.uk/reels.html
> >
> > I thought about not donation before he accepted but decided no -
> otherwise
> > I'm assuming he's done what we don't want him to do.
> > So I stated the donations anyway - Please Tom can you post where you can
> -
> > I'm hoping SEan is going to come to the list and see they Zyrip and Monte
> > should have a fix real soon
> > and if the client is that much - lets say it there aren't any children on
> > the list "SHIT FOR BRAINS" - look for a client that can appreciate his
> > skill - just look at his accomplishments at  pidigital.co.uk/reels.html
> >
> > Let's get it over a thousand and not wait for him to accept - he has a
> > family!!!
> >
> > Regards Lagi
> >
> >
> > On 3 May 2018 at 14:06, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ditto...
> >>
> >> Anyone close enough to go visit him?
> >>
> >> Ralph DiMola
> >> IT Director
> >> Evergreen Information Services
> >> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Peter Reid via use-livecode
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 7:22 AM
> >> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> >> Cc: Peter Reid
> >> Subject: Emergency Help?
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> What's the news about Sean, has anyone made contact with him and has he
> >> accepted the help?  I'm asking as I'm about to make a donation and I'd
> like
> >> to be sure that this will get through to him before I proceed.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Peter
> >> --
> >> Peter Reid
> >> Loughborough, UK
> >>
> >>> On 2 May 2018, at 7:37pm, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Message: 10
> >>> Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 19:14:10 +0100
> >>> From: Lagi Pittas >
> >>> To: How to use LiveCode  >>> >
> >>> Subject: Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY
> >>>  UNHAPPY
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>   >> gmail.com
> >>>  >>> .com>>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>
> >>> Hi All
> >>>
> >>> I have set it up - but I want to have the money go directly to Sean
> >>>
> >>> Ive just read that if I put seans email address in it will send him an
> >>> invite so he will be the only one able to withdraw funds.
> >>>
> >>> I am waiting his acceptance but I think we can add to it without him
> >>> accepting -I HAVE NO WAY OF WITHDRAWING MONEY FROM THIS ACCOUNT.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.gofundme.com/scemergency
> >>> 
> >>>
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Re: [Completely OT] Withdrawal symptoms from Slashdot

2018-03-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Hacker News always has some interesting reading. The comments section for
each submission can be insightful as a broad range of programmers/
engineers that work in the relevant fields share thoughts and knowledge on
the topics at hand

https://news.ycombinator.com/

"*Hacker News* is a social news
 website focusing on computer
science  and
entrepreneurship . It is
run by Paul Graham
's
investment fund and startup incubator, Y Combinator
. In general,
content that can be submitted is defined as "anything that gratifies one's
intellectual curiosity"




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> Completely off topic, but I need help ;-)
>
> For many years now my standard "I have 30 seconds (or minutes) to fill in,
> what's happening in the world" web site has been slashdot, but it seems to
> be completely off the air for now.
>
> I'm looking for suggestions for alternates that are worth using while
> waiting for a build, or just to give me some interesting. The less video,
> the better :-)
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex.
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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

2017-12-11 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
When the GDPR comes into force in May 2018, Facebook et al will be legally
obliged to remove all of your data  from its databases should you make that
request https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/

On 12 Dec 2017 4:28 am, "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That's kind of amazing, half the no-facebook people in the world are on
> this list. I'd be a boring participant anyway, I usually skip breakfast.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
>
> On December 11, 2017 6:38:44 PM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I guess I make it three.
>>
>> I signed up, and didn't log in, the day they announced their own
>> email, just to stop someone else from being labeled dochawk.
>>
>> Then at my reunion a couple of months ago, it came up that someone had
>> a page for our class.  We went through a comedy of errors trying to
>> find and login to my account.  Or maybe that I could  login, but that
>> my name didn't show (as I'd never given it more than initials).
>>
>> Somehow, we connected one of them to my wife, and I guess that let me
>> see a name and send a message, or maybe they sent her some kind of
>> invitation.
>>
>> And then they were exasperated that I hadn't filled out a "profile" or
>> some such.
>>
>> I logged in for a while, wondering if anything interesting would
>> happen.  I found that adblock could make a couple of particularly
>> annoying columns it through at me go away, but really did not get
>> interested in the blather.
>>
>> And then, once you don't log in often enough, it sends you messages
>> offering to help . . .
>>
>> I go back to 1984 on usenet, but just don't understand this whole
>> facetwit and tell the world what I had for breakfast thing . . .
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/11/2017 03:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
 I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have or
 want
 a Facebook account. But Ghostery blocks any unwanted junk that comes in
 via
 a web page, and since you're viewing Facebook inside a web page then
 it's
 worth a try. Can't hurt.

>>>
>>> I'm one of the other six. Never been tempted by it.
>>> I used to have Ghostery installed, and probably it's still on my Firefox
>>> browser. But I switched over to Chrome a while back and I guess I never
>>> bothered to install it. My experience has been that all those tools do a
>>> pretty good job of filtering, and none of them is perfect.
>>>
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Re: The coming of SVG

2017-11-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
https://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_canvas.asp

"Canvas" could be confused with the html5 element of the same name. What
with livecode deploying to html5 now...

On 5 Nov 2017 8:49 pm, "Monte Goulding via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On 6 Nov 2017, at 6:24 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> will stop Jacque killing Mark when there is no
> >> abbreviation
> >
> > If we go with "canvas" I expect "cv" or similar. :) It did occur to me
> that if I kill Mark my career will be cut short. I have to think about that.
>
> Hmm… I’m not sure if Mark will change his mind on synonyms even given
> death threats ;-)
>
> I like canvas too though. One nice thing is I feel it gives more scope for
> interactive elements than picture does.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.2.0 DP-2

2017-10-11 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Any news on the progress of datagrid v2 and enhanced graphics speed?

On 11 Oct 2017 4:20 pm, "panagiotis merakos via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.2.0 DP-2.
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> 
>
> LiveCode 8.2.0 DP-2 contains 31 bug fixes and stability improvements.
> Moreover, we have added a Preference for controlling the various new
> features of the Script Editor (autocomplete, bracket completion, live
> errors etc). You can enable/disable these features from the menubar of the
> Script Editor, under Edit -> Options -> ..
> Last but not least, LiveCode 8.2.0 DP-2 contains all the changes in the
> LiveCode 8.1.7 release cycle (i.e. Xcode 9 support etc)
>
> For those of you who missed it, the LiveCode 8.2.0 DP-X release cycle has
> introduced a new edition, "Community Plus"
>
> For more details about Community Plus, see this page:
> https://livecode.com/products/community-plus-edition/
>
> For more details on the Autocomplete feature, read this blogpost:
> https://livecode.com/new-autocomplete-live-errors-in-livecode-8-2
>
> Moreover, in LiveCode 8.2.0 DP-2 Dictionary, all the extension docs are
> incorporated in the main LiveCode Script dictionary. This improves
> searchability, as well as preventing the library list getting too large.
>
>
> The full release notes are available from:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_2_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_2_0_dp_2.pdf
>
>
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Re: Taking quotes on building LC external for RethinkDB

2017-08-06 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Rethinkdb doesn't have authentication baked in so you have to lock down the
ports and use an ssh tunnel to access it on a remote server. Firebase and
Parse server (open source) do pub sub and have auth from the get go

On 7 Aug 2017 5:10 am, "Mark Wieder via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 08/06/2017 05:20 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> If so, do you plan on connecting the DB directly to the open Internet, or
>>> use a middleware supplying a REST API for clients?
>>>
>>> i would presume not. The USP of RethinkDB (at least from my very quick
>> skim over the website :-) was the 'push' notification of updates to the
>> clients - which would be lost if you used a 'traditional' REST API from the
>> end-clients to a server.
>>
>
> Interesting. My take on that is that since it requires an open connection
> to the database in order for the notifications to happen, it's more like a
> pubsub sort of approach. Which is still a nice touch, but it seems like it
> requires either a direct connection to the db or a callback mechanism. And
> that is also from a very quick skim of that section of the docs.
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Re: I just added an enhancement request - 20138 - suggestion for in-app ads

2017-07-21 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
The logistics of operating an ad aggregator would be a full time business
in itself I'd imagine. However lc forming a partnership with one of the top
existing aggregators and creating a widget to display the ads I could see
being a winner.

For apps made in lc community they could take a percentage of the ad click
revenue and for paid versions they don't.

On 21 Jul 2017 11:50 pm, "Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> When you sign up with an ad aggregator, a portion of the revenue goes to
> the aggregator. This would be no different. Basically, I am suggesting
> something like MobFox for LiveCode. Voluntary, of course.
>
> We need a realistic and practical as solution for ads.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was suggesting that perhaps providing a start to finish way for us to
> have ads in the apps we make could provide extra income to RunRev - more
> than the cost of hiring extra staff to make that happen.
> >>
> > They don't even have ads for *us* inside apps working in a usable way at
> the moment.
> >
> > There is supposedly a facility for it, but the company that supposedly
> provides them wants nothing to do with us.
> >
> > I stopped work on my mobile app over this, and will probably resume it
> in swift if they don't get around to fixing this.
> >
> > From my prior inquiries, I don't think that anyone on this list has
> successfully placed an ad with it.
> >
> > And on top of that, I expect ad revenue for my work to go to me, not
> livecode (or are they going to cut me in on their sales)
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Feature Race: Pick Your Project

2017-07-06 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Hmm after the timer ran out the page showed  "project unsuccessful" with
only $23,428 raised. Now its showing as fully funded and successful. Happy
but erm baffled.

Slick grids here we come though!

On 6 Jul 2017 8:06 pm, "hh via use-livecode" 
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> 185 backers. No comment.
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Re: Feature Race: Pick Your Project

2017-07-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Delays happen, my take from the comments is that the communication on
progress was lacking more than anything. People like to fund ideas and
there should be a journey to completion attached to the pledge experience.
Even if it's just  footnotes in blog posts and mailers here and there.
Little and often.

Anyhow is there no possibility of extending the campaigns deadline? An
extra week or two coupled with the new infinite livecode updates would
really increase the chances of the goal being met

On 5 Jul 2017 7:04 pm, "Kevin Miller via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I¹m not sure if its apathy or more likely just the holiday weekend. That
> said...
>
> I¹m sorry its taken so long to do Infinite LiveCode. As I¹ve said in my
> keynote, in the comments section and on the blog, we wouldn¹t be funding a
> new project if it that one wasn¹t in the last stages of being wrapped up.
> Android has been mostly delivered and the other platforms and stretch
> goals are a small piece now. We really have finally cracked this project,
> getting it into a build is the last step.
>
> The reality is that we now need to look at what we are doing next and what
> is affordable. If we don¹t fund this project, the knock on effects for the
> platform will be very significant. We¹re already a very small team that
> punches well above our weight. We have the potential for a very bright
> future with the rather amazing stuff that you can now do. Check out Ali¹s
> blog post on Android and wait a few more days for more. We can build on
> everything we¹ve just created and maintain the considerable momentum we
> have built or we can shrink.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
>
>
>
> On 05/07/2017, 18:24, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Brown via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >The comments section on the pledge page gives a good insight as to why
> >there may be a feeling of apathy towards this fundraiser
> >
> >The infinite livecode campaign from last year was not handled well in
> >terms
> >of communicating progress to the community, with questions about the
> >sqlite
> >library rewrite remaining unanswered
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wow.  I'm surprised we aren't closer to getting this funded.  c'mon
> >>y'all
> >> let's get this funded!
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> >> use-livecode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I had similar feelings, (I have taken almost every pitch to "pay in
> >> > advance for X number of years for this discount or thatŠ ) so when we
> >>get
> >> > hit up again for development that one would hope would be just part of
> >> the
> >> > product road map, it does indeed seem odd. Even "advanced smooth
> >> scrolling
> >> > graphics" seems odd to be funding, since all this is doing is bring
> >>the
> >> LC
> >> > mobile on parity with any other smooth flowing app.
> >> >
> >> > This is terribly obvious, but just to say it all again:
> >> >
> >> > Thinking about it, one has to appreciate the challenge the company
> >>faces.
> >> > Having gone open source, Livecode moves to a world where everyone and
> >>his
> >> > kid sister thinks programming is free. PHP, Javascript, python,
> >> CSSŠpeople
> >> > living in those world just don't pay for their tools.
> >> >
> >> > So if open source users are going up (which apparently they are)Š that
> >> > doesn't help us (to say the obvious)
> >> >
> >> > If not enough of them are using LC to build products for sale to
> >>support
> >> > themselves, OR are not using the tools in-house inside Enterprise
> >>(like
> >> we
> >> > do here, even though we are non -profit we do have software budgets)
> >> where
> >> > budgets are such that the ROI on paid license(s) is well worth it.
> >>And it
> >> > would be easy enough for some unscrupulous for-profit company to have
> >>5
> >> > coders on community and only one license and pretty much get away with
> >> > itŠ(which is cheating of course)Š
> >> >
> >> > So  If

Re: Feature Race: Pick Your Project

2017-07-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
The comments section on the pledge page gives a good insight as to why
there may be a feeling of apathy towards this fundraiser

The infinite livecode campaign from last year was not handled well in terms
of communicating progress to the community, with questions about the sqlite
library rewrite remaining unanswered

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Wow.  I'm surprised we aren't closer to getting this funded.  c'mon y'all
> let's get this funded!
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode  wrote:
>
> > I had similar feelings, (I have taken almost every pitch to "pay in
> > advance for X number of years for this discount or that… ) so when we get
> > hit up again for development that one would hope would be just part of
> the
> > product road map, it does indeed seem odd. Even "advanced smooth
> scrolling
> > graphics" seems odd to be funding, since all this is doing is bring the
> LC
> > mobile on parity with any other smooth flowing app.
> >
> > This is terribly obvious, but just to say it all again:
> >
> > Thinking about it, one has to appreciate the challenge the company faces.
> > Having gone open source, Livecode moves to a world where everyone and his
> > kid sister thinks programming is free. PHP, Javascript, python,
> CSS…people
> > living in those world just don't pay for their tools.
> >
> > So if open source users are going up (which apparently they are)… that
> > doesn't help us (to say the obvious)
> >
> > If not enough of them are using LC to build products for sale to support
> > themselves, OR are not using the tools in-house inside Enterprise (like
> we
> > do here, even though we are non -profit we do have software budgets)
> where
> > budgets are such that the ROI on paid license(s) is well worth it. And it
> > would be easy enough for some unscrupulous for-profit company to have 5
> > coders on community and only one license and pretty much get away with
> > it…(which is cheating of course)…
> >
> > So  If the user "pie" of those whose are paying  <> equal $ to support
> the
> > company and + hours for features, how does LC handle this, to stay alive?
> >  And we all want it to stay alive…right?
> >
> > I was hoping to talk to Kevin about some other ideas for solutions… but
> he
> > is busy. Perhaps I need to fly to Scotland for tea. In the meantime, I
> > voted/pledged for the DataGrid2/GraphicsUpgrade.
> >
> > Brahmanathaswamai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/24/17, 7:41 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via
> > use-livecode"  > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > So the Feature Race lets me choose between "Hosting debugger" and
> > Datagrid 2.
> >
> > Hmpphhh!
> >
> > 
> >
> > I have a hard time voting for, or funding, Hosting debugger. I
> already
> > paid for that, back in 2009.
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Re: LC Global - my experience

2017-06-18 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
That is bonkers

On 18 Jun 2017 3:42 pm, "Jim Lambert via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Alex Tweedly wrote:
> >
> > the replay link gives you a web page showing the video and the scrolling
> > 'chat' alongside it. The video responds *only* to "pause" (and then to
> > "play") - there's no
> >  - rewind (say 30 seconds) if you got distracted
> >  - fast forward / backward
> >  - go directly to a point in time (e.g. if you have to switch devices)
>
>
> That peeved me, too.
> So I wrote to Webinarjam suggesting that the addition of a scrub bar on
> the playback video would be an immense improvement in user experience.
>
> Adam from Webinarjam promptly replied:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> > This feature has been disabled after numerous requests from users who
> wanted to ensure that their attendees got to see the full event. We are
> very sorry for the inconvenience however I would be happy to add your
> request to our list of feature requests.
>
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Re: Server Installation

2017-06-18 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
There's an excellent written & video tutorial by David Bovill on setting up
livecode server on a digital ocean VPS. It's very straightforward & I had
LC server up and running in 5 mins

http://david.bovill.me/ocean.admin.fedwiki.org/livecode-server-on-digitalocean

https://vimeo.com/131920147

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 18/06/2017 7:23 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Malte wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, I want this. Who does it? I am throwing $500 in the pot…
>> > Someone also willing to write a .bat for Windows and maybe make the
>> > Linux one work on Mac OS also???
>>
>> I'd do an initial version for that which would handle Ubuntu 14.04 and
>> Ubuntu 16.04, under MIT so everyone can extend it for Mac and Windows if
>> they need.
>>
>> Do we want VPS, or should we consider versions for shared hosts? There
>> are subtle differences between shared hosts that can make them more
>> challenging, but the upside is they have pro admins hardening and
>> monitoring so they're a better option for newcomers to get started.
>>
>> I could also write a script to harden a VPS, but doing it well requires
>> using the script carefully, after setting up shared SSH keys, because I
>> prefer to completely turn off password login on any system where I can
>>
> In case it may help... you can take a look at a Docker image I wrote that
> builds Livecode server with Apache in a base Ubuntu environment.
>
> Specifically the Dockerfile (which builds the Docker image) is essentially
> just set of bash commands that builds everything that is needed.  The
> Apache config file used for the Docker image is also there.
>
> https://github.com/techstrategies/docker-livecode
>
> For those who know what Docker is (or want to try use it), the Docker
> image is available on hub.docker.com:
>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/techstrategies/livecode/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Charles
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Re: sample Stack for uploading files to a lc server

2017-06-12 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
excellent work, thank you!

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Please excuse for the 2nd post. I forgot to enter a subject.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> i´ve already posted it to the forum
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=29357 <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=29357>
>
> but in case you are not reading the forum:
>
> I´ve created a little stack and two livecode server scripts that allow to
> upload a file to a web server running livecode server version 8 or higher.
>
> After successful upload the download url of the uploaded file is copied to
> the clipboard for sharing purposes.
> The stack has a little filemanager included which  allows to get the d/l
> url for older uploaded files  and it allows to delete older files which are
> not needed anymore
>
> The stack uses Bernd Niggeman´s  Gauge widget for showing the upload
> progress.
> See his post about this really cool widget  http://forums.livecode.com/
> viewtopic.php?f=93=29348=154776=gauge#p154776 <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348=
> 154776=gauge#p154776>
>
>
> There are only minimal adjustments needed in the stack script of the
> livecode stack to get it running with your web server.
>
> The archive contains the livecode stack, 2 livecode server scripts, the
> .lcb file for the Gauge widget, an installation guide for the Widget and a
> readme file.
>
> I´ve tested it with Livecode 8.1.4 and Livecode server 8.1.2.
>
> Please do yourself a favour and read the file 'PLEASE Read Me First!.txt'
> first.
>
> Hope it´s of some use for the one or the other
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
That's great to hear! Specifically strategies for handling/ refreshing
authorization tokens for Google and github services
https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/OAuth2

On 9 Jun 2017 8:19 pm, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
> > On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Tom Glod wrote:
> >>
> >>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
> >>
> >> You're ahead of me - what is it?
> >
> > The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
> >
> > https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
> >
> > To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!
>
> The accordion layout prevents me from search all sections of the page at
> once.
>
> What day is the LC Connect Framework on?
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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Is the talk likely to touch on oauth strategies?

On 9 Jun 2017 7:56 pm, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Tom Glod wrote:
>>
>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
>>>
>>
>> You're ahead of me - what is it?
>>
>
> The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
>
>https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
>
> To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
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Re: [ANN] Introducing Remote DB Lib

2017-06-07 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I purchased to support and tinker. What would be really stellar is a
livecode standalone that can be run on a webserver and act as a restful API
endpoint for a database, all without the need for php. There are some
websocket / httpd vodoo stacks floating around from years ago that were
exploring that kind of functionality.  Revspark 2017 perhaps...

On 7 Jun 2017 7:21 pm, "Bob Sneidar via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I watched the video, and discovered Andre uses some of the same function
> names as I use in my sqlYoga wrappers! DOH!
>
> Bob S
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Re: [ANN] Introducing Remote DB Lib

2017-06-07 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I went ahead and purchased to show support and tinker but what would be
really stellar is a livecode restful api standalone that  runs on a
webserver  without the need for php. Revspark 2017 perhaps

On 7 Jun 2017 6:41 pm, "William Prothero via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Andre, I’ll check this out.
>
> What would be really useful, tho, are libraries to access various web
> services that are becoming so popular these days.
>
> Bill P
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > DB Lib (andregarzia/projects/dblib) is a minimalistic database library
> for
> > LiveCode that works on Desktop and Mobile and allows you to build
> > database-savvy apps without writing SQL directly.
> >
> > This post is to introduce a great new feature called Remote DB Lib. As
> you
> > may know from posts on the mailing list and forums, many developers would
> > like to use DB Lib in their apps over the internet. Like all other
> database
> > libraries that work on top of RevDB, DB Lib (until today) needed to
> connect
> > directly to the database server to work and this is not a good solution
> for
> > apps that work over the internet since exposing MySQL to the internet at
> > large is a huge security risk.
> >
> > Today I am releasing the first version of a drop-in replacement library
> > called **Remote DB Lib**. This new library has the same API as the
> current
> > DB Lib but instead of working on top of RevDB, it works alongside a
> > matching PHP file on your server, it is this PHP file that actually talks
> > to the database server. The Remote DB Lib picks all your DB Lib calls and
> > packs it on an encrypted message that is sent to the PHP file where it is
> > decrypted and executed. This library is using state of the art AES 256
> > encryption.
> >
> > More info at: andregarzia.com/en/blog/introducing-remote-dblib
> >
> > This new library is a part of the DB Lib product so all current customers
> > should be receiving an update notice shortly. For those that don't have a
> > license yet, this is a good time to get it and enhance the security of
> your
> > apps.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > andre
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: HTML5 deployment: progress comes into sight

2017-06-02 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
A bit OT but there's an interesting discussion here
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14458648 on the merits of WebAssembly
vs JavaScript for in browser applications. As WebAssembly matures it will
be interesting to see what implications (if any) it has for livecode html5
i.e. will it ultimately become a better fit


On 2 Jun 2017 3:08 am, "Andre Garzia via use-livecode" <
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> What I believe BR was referring to is that we can expose LC handlers to the
> local JS context of a browser widget thus enabling liveCode.* calls. What
> would be good, was to have functions (synchronous ones for the sake of
> complexity) exposed as well so that calling a liveCode.* function from JS
> on a browser widget not only would trigger the function but also return the
> results.
>
> Right now, we need to play musical chairs where JS calls a liveCode.*
> handler, which doesn't return anything but executes, then the said handler
> execute something in the JS context which is essentially a callback thus
> forcing every call into an async call. I know pretty well how async JS
> world is but even if we could simply have synchronous functional calls
> there it would be awesome and open a whole new world to customized
> experiences.
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 06/01/2017 04:59 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > Why not check for CopySpecial() if the object is a widget before passing
> >> to the owner? It makes more sense that the library handler a widget
> exports
> >> is part of the message path. That way we can dispatch to the instance
> and
> >> the instance can overload/override it if they want necessary.
> >>
> >
> > +1. I like the way you think.
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Re: HTML5 deployment: progress comes into sight

2017-05-31 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I'll also add that for all the wonderful possibilities that LCB brings
there is a very real danger that countless hours will be spent using it to
re-invent the wheel.

Take for instance the displaying of svg's. This is a solved problem in the
browser and has been for a long time but in native livecode it's still in
the infant stages of implementation (to put it mildly). The best solutions
for user interface "widgets" are arguably being created in the form of
javascript libraries. To me it makes total sense to integrate with that
ecosystem and free up LCB / livecode developer hours for solving other
problems

Hopefully soon I'll see this in my inbox

"Livecode brings the power of javascript to native mobile and desktop
apps"



On 31 May 2017 5:35 am, "Dan Brown"  wrote:

> JavaScript via the browser would be huge. There are tens of thousands of
> JavaScript libraries that could be used by livecoders to add bleeding edge
> UI elements  & websockets to their applications via lc script. It would
> allow livecode to communicate with the real-time web  without lcb ( which
> only a small percentage of the community are able to utilise)
>
> On 31 May 2017 3:32 am, "Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> mark Waddington wrote:
>>
>> We've also been looking at how to abstract the FFI work we've done as
>> part of the Infinite LiveCode campaign to allow LCB to bind to
>> JavaScript
>> APIs (which will allow greater type fidelity than is possible using
>> 'do as javascript' from LCS).
>>
>> BR:
>>
>> I don't understand the above well enough to know if this is even related…
>> but the need has not gone away. At the risk of "going on and on again"
>> about this again.
>>
>> What I would find much more useful (may it is just me) is to get the
>> javascript of the html5 code running in a browser widget to be a "member in
>> good standing" of LC message hierarchy inside an LC build (not the other
>> way around)
>>
>> I can get any number of developers from around the planet to build any
>> kind of "HTML5" thing for our web site and it would run faster (no
>> emscripten download required), be better designed in the long run than some
>> "transform" of a Livecode stack to HTML5.
>>
>> At least in my universe, use cases for pushing LC apps to HTML5 in the
>> browser are very few. For us here, and I would think for a "legion" of
>> developers who are vested first in the LC app platform and html5 second,
>> what we need is for the run time, synchronous communications between the JS
>> in the browser widget and the LS message path.
>>
>> What I *really* want is to leverage the web kit graphics engine so that
>> we look at the HTML5 Canvas/JS like some kind of "media toolbox" for
>> building content. So, like Photoshop just offered today tutorials on
>> building animated gifs, which we can then obviously use in LC. Similarly I
>> want HTML5 "kids" working for me to build content that I can turn around
>> and then running inside Livecode with the LC scripts and the JS "talking to
>> each other" intelligently and in a timely way. (javascript calls a
>> function, LC hears this and returns the data, JS proceeds… even simple
>> things like someone does something in the browser widget… data is then
>> saved by the LC back end script to SqlLite Dbase and returns a "success"
>>  like a kind of "dispatch" call from the JS to the LC scripts that wrap the
>> widget.
>>
>> Jonathan runs Google earth "for God sake" in a browser widget.  Another
>> man on our team created an app using ionic/angular that is now on the
>> stores. Just for "kicks" I extract the core and it ran perfectly inside a
>> LC stack/Browser Widget. But… I can't get that to talk to LC… except with
>> the primitive calls we now have.
>>
>> then, for $35.00 someone who is a JS jockey can write some cool animation
>> in HYPE and and I can drop this into
>>
>> myapp
>>   mainstack.livecode
>>/animations
>> /hype-html5-animation
>>
>> and run the latter inside the mainstack.
>>
>> We have discussed this at length before and HH and Jonathan are way ahead
>> of me on these initiatives. My query on the business channel resulted in
>> $7,000.00 price tag to get that job done, $13,000.00 if we wanted robust
>> error checking included.  I realize to some of us here that may seem like a
>> lot, but I can respect the hours-to-get-it-done-must-be-covered
>> requirements. I had hope we might get a "kick starter" going with a number
>> of us kicking in some $  for this… I could probably get permission to spend
>> from our shoe string budgets:  $1,500 at least… but no one else here
>> responded. So I guess My idea that others could use this was a "fantasy" ??
>>
>> Does this relate at all to " LCB to bind to  JavaScript APIs" ?
>>
>> Brahmanathaswami
>>
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Re: HTML5 deployment: progress comes into sight

2017-05-30 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
JavaScript via the browser would be huge. There are tens of thousands of
JavaScript libraries that could be used by livecoders to add bleeding edge
UI elements  & websockets to their applications via lc script. It would
allow livecode to communicate with the real-time web  without lcb ( which
only a small percentage of the community are able to utilise)

On 31 May 2017 3:32 am, "Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> mark Waddington wrote:
>
> We've also been looking at how to abstract the FFI work we've done as
> part of the Infinite LiveCode campaign to allow LCB to bind to
> JavaScript
> APIs (which will allow greater type fidelity than is possible using
> 'do as javascript' from LCS).
>
> BR:
>
> I don't understand the above well enough to know if this is even related…
> but the need has not gone away. At the risk of "going on and on again"
> about this again.
>
> What I would find much more useful (may it is just me) is to get the
> javascript of the html5 code running in a browser widget to be a "member in
> good standing" of LC message hierarchy inside an LC build (not the other
> way around)
>
> I can get any number of developers from around the planet to build any
> kind of "HTML5" thing for our web site and it would run faster (no
> emscripten download required), be better designed in the long run than some
> "transform" of a Livecode stack to HTML5.
>
> At least in my universe, use cases for pushing LC apps to HTML5 in the
> browser are very few. For us here, and I would think for a "legion" of
> developers who are vested first in the LC app platform and html5 second,
> what we need is for the run time, synchronous communications between the JS
> in the browser widget and the LS message path.
>
> What I *really* want is to leverage the web kit graphics engine so that we
> look at the HTML5 Canvas/JS like some kind of "media toolbox" for building
> content. So, like Photoshop just offered today tutorials on building
> animated gifs, which we can then obviously use in LC. Similarly I want
> HTML5 "kids" working for me to build content that I can turn around and
> then running inside Livecode with the LC scripts and the JS "talking to
> each other" intelligently and in a timely way. (javascript calls a
> function, LC hears this and returns the data, JS proceeds… even simple
> things like someone does something in the browser widget… data is then
> saved by the LC back end script to SqlLite Dbase and returns a "success"
>  like a kind of "dispatch" call from the JS to the LC scripts that wrap the
> widget.
>
> Jonathan runs Google earth "for God sake" in a browser widget.  Another
> man on our team created an app using ionic/angular that is now on the
> stores. Just for "kicks" I extract the core and it ran perfectly inside a
> LC stack/Browser Widget. But… I can't get that to talk to LC… except with
> the primitive calls we now have.
>
> then, for $35.00 someone who is a JS jockey can write some cool animation
> in HYPE and and I can drop this into
>
> myapp
>   mainstack.livecode
>/animations
> /hype-html5-animation
>
> and run the latter inside the mainstack.
>
> We have discussed this at length before and HH and Jonathan are way ahead
> of me on these initiatives. My query on the business channel resulted in
> $7,000.00 price tag to get that job done, $13,000.00 if we wanted robust
> error checking included.  I realize to some of us here that may seem like a
> lot, but I can respect the hours-to-get-it-done-must-be-covered
> requirements. I had hope we might get a "kick starter" going with a number
> of us kicking in some $  for this… I could probably get permission to spend
> from our shoe string budgets:  $1,500 at least… but no one else here
> responded. So I guess My idea that others could use this was a "fantasy" ??
>
> Does this relate at all to " LCB to bind to  JavaScript APIs" ?
>
> Brahmanathaswami
>
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Re: Funny pricing policy

2017-05-25 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Developer conferences nowadays are more often than not available online,
for free http://pyvideo.org and are utilised to showcase ideas and concepts
to a wider audience. They're a great marketing asset, especially keynotes

On 25 May 2017 9:45 pm, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

It's a developer conference, just an online one.  If it was being held in a
hall or at LC HQ, you would have to pay to attend.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Dan Brown via use-livecode <
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> Can't believe the streaming events are being paywalled. Its really
> backward. The idea should be to to entice the wider programming world IN,
> not lock them out.
>
> On 25 May 2017 8:42 pm, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > why not?  Coupons are always retroactive.
> >
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:02 PM, hh via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Mike K. wrote:
> > > > Or, you can email support and magically get the discount applied,
> > > > retroactively.
> > >
> > > That's even a bit more funny.
> > > Email support after each new discount to get the discount applied,
> > > retroactively? Why not the future discounts?
> > >
> > > ;-)
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Re: Funny pricing policy

2017-05-25 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Can't believe the streaming events are being paywalled. Its really
backward. The idea should be to to entice the wider programming world IN,
not lock them out.

On 25 May 2017 8:42 pm, "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> why not?  Coupons are always retroactive.
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:02 PM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mike K. wrote:
> > > Or, you can email support and magically get the discount applied,
> > > retroactively.
> >
> > That's even a bit more funny.
> > Email support after each new discount to get the discount applied,
> > retroactively? Why not the future discounts?
> >
> > ;-)
> >
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Re: Calling a livecode executable -ui from LC server and get back a result.

2017-05-04 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
You can communicate between server and desktop using sockets. Chatrev is a
good example of this http://www.bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=chatrev


On 4 May 2017 7:34 pm, "Malte Brill via use-livecode" <
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> Hi all,
>
> has anybody successfully done this? Especially on Windows? I would like to
> launch a livecode built application from a liveCode server script and get
> the output back (on a Server that I control) Is that possible? If so, how?
>
> I tried a couple of things to no avail:
>
>set the shellCommand to "CMD"
>   put ""
>   put the time
>   put ""
>   put Quote & "thes.exe" & Quote &&"-ui" into tShell
>   try
> get shell(tShell)
> put "Result:" && the result & cr &"It:" && it
> put ""
> open process tShell for binary read
>read from process tShell until EOF
>put "Result:" && the result & cr &"It:" && it
>put ""
>   catch theErr
>   put theErr
> end try
> put cr
> put the time
> put ""
> ?>
>
> the helper app: In the stack script:
>
> on startup
>   send "boo" to me in 500 millisecs
>   — to make sure all libs are loaded
> end startup
>
> on boo
>   quit
> end boo
>
> on shutdown
>   write "boo" to stdout
> end shutdown
>
> Thanks for all input I can get…
>
> Malte
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Re: Suggestions for LiveCode (the company) to increase its revenue

2017-04-16 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Allowing non hacky 2 way communication with JavaScript via lc browser is a
potentially huge win should it ever happen.  Every time I come across
technical discussion of making web apps for the desktop there is a huge
chorus or discontent with the currently most viable option Electron - an
inefficient bloated memory hog basically. With the right pitch livecode
could make inroads there.

Separately a revenue suggestion is to make the business license offering
less about minor features that are missing from indy ( groan) and more
about business support features. That's what businesses look for when
investing in any kind of technology platform / equipment  and is pretty
much the only real differentiator of substance that would justify the
monetary upgrade from indy.  Seems to get a footnote.

Gamifying business support with a"points" system is also needlessly obtuse.
It should be no nonsense and straight forward. X amount buys this many
hours for y per month etc.

On 15 Apr 2017 4:31 pm, "Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode" <
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> Everyone who uses LiveCode benefits if the company grows and thus is able
> to improve the product faster.
>
> I thought some of us might have original ideas that could help the
> company. If nothing else, we might give them useful ideas.
>
> So...
>
> 1. What offerings would you pay for, in addition to any licensing fees?
>
> 2. Do you have any clever ideas for new revenue streams?
>
> 3. What modifications to the main product would, in your opinion, make the
> product appealing to a larger customer base?
>
> I encourage everyone to make suggestions. Here are some from me:
>
> 1. I would pay more for a promotional system for the apps we make, mainly
> because I suck at marketing. I don't know what this would entail.
>
> 2. I suggest a core suite of business applications. The executable would
> be a player application that plays LC stacks. The company could sell the
> suite and LC developers could sell their services in making modifications
> or additional apps to go with the core suite.
>
> 3. I am broken record on this issue, but I really think that if LC
> supercharged the browser widget, they could provide a great platform
> (better than the current options) for JavaScript developers to make
> standalone apps.
>
> What suggestions do you have?
>
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Re: Dropbox Public Folder

2017-03-18 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Minio is a good solution for self hosted  AWS S3 type storage
https://www.minio.io

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> In theory, at least, for ios, you can compile only for specific devices.
> AirLaunch is more convenient than Apple's private distribution tools.
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Re: Download LC Community: trapped

2017-03-10 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Would a splash screen that appears on  first launch of the IDE not be a
better way of harvesting email addresses? A "do not show again" tick box on
said splash screen would suffice for those not interested in registering.
Vastly reduces download friction

On 10 Mar 2017 5:47 p.m., "Roger Eller via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's a matter of forced consent, not necessarily about the intended use of
> your email address. I get it, and I agree that it should not be required.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Indeed; but now this is drifting OT.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> > On 3/10/17 7:04 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> I have bad news for everyone who thinks that by not giving their email
> >> address out actually does anything to prevent it from getting on a spam
> >> list. If you mother has the address in her address book and clicks on a
> bad
> >> link or opens an email with malware on it, your address is probably
> getting
> >> scraped from her recents list and address book. As soon as you use an
> email
> >> address to send anything to anyone, consider it compromised.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 10, 2017, at 08:34 , Jim MacConnell via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And.. I come down on the other side of this one.
> >>> I think offering people the opportunity to register w/email is
> important
> >>> but not allowing them to see what they're getting unless they
> do
> >>> not
> >>> so good.
> >>>
> >>> I routinely do not try tools if I have to give anything to try them
> >>> out...
> >>> email, facebook permission, etc. Not willing to spread personal any
> >>> further
> >>> than I need to.
> >>>
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Re: [Long] Moving a REST request from Desktop to Server

2017-03-08 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
A how-to for using standalones as CGI's is a fantastic idea!  I've spent
hours trawling through the mailing list archives for a definitive set of
instructions on how to set this up but could never string together enough
fragments of information to get it working.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> Malte Brill wrote:
>
> > I am trying to move a request I do from a desktop app to a liveCode
> > server script and am facing the problem that some of the stuff I use
> > (most of it libURL stuff) is not available on the server. Now I
> > wonder how I could translate it…
>
> Have you considered running a standalone as your CGI?
>
> Standalones can be run facelessly with a -ui flag, and while they require
> a one-time cost to set up a library to read stdin and parse the request and
> env vars, once you're set up you get something LiveCode Server can't
> offer:  complete compatibility with the LiveCode Script desktop syntax.
>
> LC Server is great for many things, but since it doesn't work like LC on
> the desktop I don't use it for anything beyond testing.  I need to debug,
> and by not using the Server engine I can run my scripts right in the IDE.
>
> Last week I was going to put together some notes on this to make using LC
> standalones as CGIs easier, but as luck would have it I couldn't get either
> Server or a standalone running as a CGI on either of my shared hosting
> accounts, for reasons that appear to be related to the RAM requirements
> from font loading:
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115
>
> I have a workaround for that (thanks to some clever assist from Peter
> Brett and Mark Waddingham), but it's kinda funky and non-obvious to set up,
> so while it might work okay for me once in a while it's not the sort of
> thing I want to tell other people is reflective of how we do things in the
> LC world.  We are, after all, about simplicity, or at least strive for it.
>
> But if you're on a VPS (about half our users are*) perhaps we can continue
> this discussion and explore simple means of using standalones as CGIs.  It
> really is a much simpler overall workflow once you get it going.
>
>
> * I ran this survey on the LC forums - if you haven't voted please chime
> in on how you use LC on servers:
>
> POLL: LiveCode Server deployment
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Re: Dragging widgets

2017-03-02 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Eve looks to be the a very promising language for producing html5
applications. The browser IDE is clean and beautifully presented
http://play.witheve.com/#/examples/flappy.eve


On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> No, HYPE is not 'serious' competition; it might be something that squishes
> LiveCode's HTML5 extension
> if LiveCode don't buck up and get on with things in that direction.
>
> On 3/1/17 11:07 pm, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> 1. mar. 2017 kl. 20.40 skrev Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> I just downloaded HYPE from Tumult: this is where some serious
>>> competition is coming from.
>>>
>> If animated content is what you want to build, then, yes. But it is
>> nowhere near the functionality we expect and get from LC. From time to time
>> I use Hype to make animated and interactive content for my students, but
>> when I need to make some serious applications that rely on variables,
>> arrays, writing to and reading from external files, manipulate files and
>> folders on the host system, use controls like radio buttons or check boxes,
>> use menus or editable fields, there is no way this can be done in Hype 3.0
>> without writing html, css and java script manually.
>>
>> The kind of actions you are able to use are limited to mouse/touch
>> actions. Personally I am no big fan of menu driven scripting.
>>
>
> Is menu driven scripting really programming? (500-900 words, on my desk by
> Monday).
>
> Why do I feel that menu driven scripting is like driving an automatic car
> (last time I drove one
> of those I crashed it by using my left foot to press on the "clutch"),
> while LiveCode feels like
> driving a manual transmission car, and C++, PASCAL, et al are rather like
> building your own
> car before you drive the thing?
>
>   I prefer to write my own code and find that this is very often quicker
>> than navigating meny different menus.*I like the way they have managed to
>> implement html/css/javascript in a seamless way though, and I had hoped
>> that this was the kind of implementation we would get in LC.*
>>
>
> Very well said.
>
>
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Re: SHA1 cracked .... What are the chances this will be addressed in LC?

2017-02-25 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
For those interested there is a SHA-1 collider here to have a play with
https://alf.nu/SHA1

On 25 Feb 2017 3:18 p.m., "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" <
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> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 5:15 AM, Keith Martin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > While Google may include a backdoor (something I consider unlikely but I
> > realise that's no less conjecture than '100% certainty'), the Natural
> News
> > issue isn't what the site owners paint it to be. This
> > https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.seroundtable.com/amp/
> > google-natural-news-deindex-23463.html is a good place to start for
> > reference.
> >
>
> Just reading a couple of paragraphs of that site was enough to tell me that
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Re: SHA1 cracked .... What are the chances this will be addressed in LC?

2017-02-24 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
It may cost $110,000 today but the computational cost of executing this
exploit will decrease year on year until it is trivial to perform. I would
think it much better to address this issue immediately so that applications
being made now are future proofed.

There is also the PR element to consider - Does Livecode really want to be
advertising a demonstrably insecure hash algorithm as a feature...

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think everybody is overplaying this.
>
> It will only matter if the amount of money or other  advantages is worth at
> least $110,000.
>
>
> The algorithm executed in Amazons cloud at the cheapest rate would cost
> that much in processing to get 1 key.
>
> The only people that will waste YOUR money to do this are governments and
> they have the equipment.
> If you really have something they want so much they will come through your
> door.
>
> Depending on what you are doing why not do 2 SHA1 or even an blowfish
> encrypt first.
>
> Better yet - you could write your own in a few  hours based on other code
>  -  it doesnt have to be particular clever since they don't know the
> algorithm how will they break it unless it's just a simple transposition?
>
> Read between the lines Google doesn't use it so obviously people will start
> using Google's which will with 100% certainty will  have a backdoor in it
> looking as to how they removed 140,000 indexed pages of
> www.naturalnews.com
> after the owner didn't give in to blackmail - "Don't be evil" my arse.
>
> http://www.newstarget.com/2017-02-23-breaking-mike-
> adams-and-alex-jones-taken-down-by-google-cia-prior-to-
> big-event-trump-needs-to-beware.html
>
>  A bit of history of backdoors and homegrown encryption algorithm
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/NSAchallenge.
> php#axzz4Zb6ctE4v
>
> I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over this.
>
>
> Lagi
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 01:25, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Read this article today. I use SHA1 in my software, so
> >
> > https://www.recode.net/2017/2/23/14715570/google-
> > researchers-crack-internet-security-tool-sha1-encryption
> >
> > What do you all think? Should I bother reporting this? or is it fair to
> say
> > they know about it?  What are the chances that there will be extra effort
> > placed on adding another sha digest function? sha256?
> >
> > THanks
> >
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