Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

2021-04-08 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
The road went down that path and hiding the truth about his possible
problems is not something I was willing to do.  I don’t talk politics
either that was all I really need to tell any of you about it the rest is
something that needs to be dealt with by others.

You can pretend it is not true but I can assure you President Trump
and President Biden are not supporting the crimes and abuse.

JB

> On Apr 8, 2021, at 9:44 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I talk politics(including health care) all the time(ask Margaret) but this 
> list is not the place for me. It's not because of some "rule" or "I'm afraid 
> to show my political cards". It's for the same reason I don’t do it at RR 
> conferences. I want to glean and learn as much information from my colleagues 
> as possible. Even while having a pint at an RR event I learn more about our 
> field than when I'm hanging with friends. So I will have a few pints with you 
> good folks and maybe strum some chords or tinkle the ivories(music and the 
> arts are my exception) but I try to limit the exchanging ideas to our field 
> for selfish reasons not because of any "rule" or proper decorum. But that's 
> me...
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
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> Of John Balgenorth via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 11:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr
> 
> If Sean has said he is bipolar then is it possible he is mistaken and 
> actually a victim of government lies and abuse ?  The answer is yes.
> 
> I have told President Trump and President Biden about abuse to me involving 
> BAH and Homeland Security with cover ups by the corrupt news media of in 
> America.  This involves but is by in no means limited to being poisoned in my 
> own home and having it be infested with spiders and ants.  That abuse alone 
> is enough to cause people to break down mentally and physically.  This is 
> covered up the the corrupt politicians in congress and senate and they all  
> hide from me like cowards.
> 
> Ban the Guns!  The first step is stop the abuse causing many people to break 
> down.
> 
> A couple of years ago I was poisoned in my own home while I was using the 
> computer and I suddenly went blind.  I needed to have eye surgery but I can 
> see now.
> 
> President Biden needs to explain who is going to pay the health
> costs for the many others being poisoned in their homes.   I am
> already covered and he should know that since I told him he is allowed to 
> access by medical records.
> 
> How do you know Sean is bipolar and not a victim of American government 
> hidden crimes ?  Does he have any evidence other than maybe a doctor who was 
> deceived by the government by them not knowing about these crimes?
> 
> JB
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2021, at 8:29 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, Sean is bipolar. He's told us so, and it isn't entirely under his 
>> control. On the other hand, it isn't pleasant and it's disruptive.
>> 
>> Sean, the problem is, if the accusations and anger keep up, you may well be 
>> banned from the list. I understand it's hard to control, but you can't 
>> continue to berate people who've done you no harm and only mean the best. 
>> From where we are, the accusations seem unreasonable. Your targets don't 
>> know what they've done to make you angry.
>> 
>> BTW, I've never blocked anyone on any list and I read everything. But when 
>> you get angry, I ignore it. I know what's going on but no response would 
>> help.
>> 
>> I've also hijacked your thread and could have answered privately but I 
>> thought other listers might want to know why your recent posts are so 
>> combative.
>> 
>> 
>> <https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/bipolar-disorder/symptoms
>> />
>> 
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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

2021-04-08 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I have been exposing these crimes for over 20 years and I can assure
you that is wishful thinking on your part.  Booz, Allen, Hamilton are a
global company and they are connected at every aspect of the US
government and probably many others.

I went blind and that was for 6 months.  My phone was disconnected
around 8 years ago and I was blocked from getting a phone.  I can
tell you a lot but the issue is about Sean and maybe Kevin being
victims of similar abuse.

We live in a complex world that is does not have boundaries at the
American border.

JB

> On Apr 8, 2021, at 9:22 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I mistakenly remembered the diagnosis, for which Sean was gracious. However, 
> the US government is unlikely to be involved since Sean is in the UK where 
> they actually have humane health care.
> 
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>> On April 8, 2021 10:57:05 AM John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> How do you know Sean is bipolar and not a victim of American
>> government hidden crimes ?
> 
> 
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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

2021-04-08 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
If Sean has said he is bipolar then is it possible he is mistaken and
actually a victim of government lies and abuse ?  The answer is
yes.

I have told President Trump and President Biden about abuse to
me involving BAH and Homeland Security with cover ups by the
corrupt news media of in America.  This involves but is by in no
means limited to being poisoned in my own home and having it
be infested with spiders and ants.  That abuse alone is enough
to cause people to break down mentally and physically.  This is
covered up the the corrupt politicians in congress and senate
and they all  hide from me like cowards.

Ban the Guns!  The first step is stop the abuse causing many
people to break down.

A couple of years ago I was poisoned in my own home while I
was using the computer and I suddenly went blind.  I needed
to have eye surgery but I can see now.

President Biden needs to explain who is going to pay the health
costs for the many others being poisoned in their homes.   I am
already covered and he should know that since I told him he is
allowed to access by medical records.

How do you know Sean is bipolar and not a victim of American
government hidden crimes ?  Does he have any evidence other
than maybe a doctor who was deceived by the government by
them not knowing about these crimes?

JB

> On Apr 8, 2021, at 8:29 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guys, Sean is bipolar. He's told us so, and it isn't entirely under his 
> control. On the other hand, it isn't pleasant and it's disruptive.
> 
> Sean, the problem is, if the accusations and anger keep up, you may well be 
> banned from the list. I understand it's hard to control, but you can't 
> continue to berate people who've done you no harm and only mean the best. 
> From where we are, the accusations seem unreasonable. Your targets don't know 
> what they've done to make you angry.
> 
> BTW, I've never blocked anyone on any list and I read everything. But when 
> you get angry, I ignore it. I know what's going on but no response would help.
> 
> I've also hijacked your thread and could have answered privately but I 
> thought other listers might want to know why your recent posts are so 
> combative.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

2021-04-07 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
GO SCREW YOURSELF!

JB

> On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi JB
> So what I read from your message, appreciated as it is, that basically, you
> hijacked my thread for your own intents and purposes of educating people
> about things loosely related to my question but without actually answering
> said question and without changing the subject to one that better suits
> your purposes, maybe 'OT: C++ background to Find Replace in Script Editor'
> . Thanks for your explanation of what you were trying to do. Perhaps next
> time, (as the post may well be helpful to those inclined to want the extra
> in depth, beyond the OP, educating) you could indeed change the subject
> heading to note that you are going OT into other expanded territory. Does
> that sound fair?
> 
> What you have done is make it harder for people actually trying to find the
> answer to my OP or similar (as hard as that may be to believe) that much
> harder to come across as they read through yours and others' dross! Do you
> not see that? Can none of you see that? Bob, surely you can see it? My
> textual 'abuse' comes as the result of prodding to the point of utter
> provocation and MUST be seen as such. Had the answer been left to those who
> KNOW and can directly and succinctly answer the question, this thread would
> be a tiny gem of proper information, rather than the cesspool of
> irrelevance (and abuse from both sides) it has become. Disappointed, I am!
> 
> Sean
> 
>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 01:19, John Balgenorth via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is a list of people reading and answering questions about LiveCode
>> programming.  You might think my explanation of your typo was  not
>> what you were looking for especially since I mentioned C and C++ in
>> the reply. But  I personally answered the way I did for many reasons
>> and even told you to ignore it if that was not what you wanted.  Some
>> of the reasons I answered the way I did was that instead of pointing
>> out it was a typo I  provided other users reading the message with
>> info about why it was a typo. I have made the typo many times and
>> I was not sure if you were misled by an error in the dictionary or  if
>> it was a typo and I helped people learn the basics of why it was not
>> going to work and that behavior of using backslash n  goes back to
>> C++ which LiveCode is written in and C++ got the behavior from C.
>> 
>> Another point is people were complaining LiveCode needs to be up
>> on the list of programming languages and it was noted that the list
>> is based on messages related to the language. Providing links with
>> C and C++  and info helps people understand LiveCode better and
>> any other language they learn in the future.
>> 
>> So your question has value to many users and to LoveCode on a lot
>> of different levels,  not just what you want to hear or learn or even be
>> reminded of.
>> 
>> In other words your complaints are invalid and a waste of your time
>> with attempts to prevent others from learning.
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Jacque,
>>> 
>>> That's all I needed to hear. As long as it is an absolute, definitive,
>>> knowledgeable 'no', I'm 'happy' to hear it. Sort of. I'd of course
>>> prefer it if there were a way, but hey ho!
>>> 
>>> I make no apology for 'insulting' 'people' if they cannot read
>> instructions
>>> or get simple explanations. I had literally JUST said NOT to offer the
>>> likes of workaround buttons, plugins, etc. If they are so thick and
>>> demonstrate it by their (unneeded, unnecessary) responses then I WILL out
>>> them. I've seriously had enough of just 'putting-up' with this kind of
>>> behaviour anywhere and have vowed to continue in this 'spirit' whenever I
>>> am met with stupidity and ignorance. Here or anywhere. It is passive
>> abuse
>>> and should be more intolerable than my provoked retaliations.
>>> 
>>> I thought you, Jacque, had already blacklisted me and said you would
>> block
>>> my messages because of one of my previous provoked 'incidents', so I am
>>> surprised I got a response from you at all (although you mostly are one
>> of
>>> those I can get the most sense from).
>>> 
>>> I truly value those who value me and who can respect my needs. Those who
>>> trample and disrespect I owe nothing to and d

Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

2021-04-07 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
This is a list of people reading and answering questions about LiveCode
programming.  You might think my explanation of your typo was  not
what you were looking for especially since I mentioned C and C++ in
the reply. But  I personally answered the way I did for many reasons
and even told you to ignore it if that was not what you wanted.  Some
of the reasons I answered the way I did was that instead of pointing
out it was a typo I  provided other users reading the message with
info about why it was a typo. I have made the typo many times and
I was not sure if you were misled by an error in the dictionary or  if
it was a typo and I helped people learn the basics of why it was not
going to work and that behavior of using backslash n  goes back to
C++ which LiveCode is written in and C++ got the behavior from C.

Another point is people were complaining LiveCode needs to be up
on the list of programming languages and it was noted that the list
is based on messages related to the language. Providing links with
C and C++  and info helps people understand LiveCode better and
any other language they learn in the future.

So your question has value to many users and to LoveCode on a lot
of different levels,  not just what you want to hear or learn or even be
reminded of.

In other words your complaints are invalid and a waste of your time
with attempts to prevent others from learning.

JB

> On Apr 7, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jacque,
> 
> That's all I needed to hear. As long as it is an absolute, definitive,
> knowledgeable 'no', I'm 'happy' to hear it. Sort of. I'd of course
> prefer it if there were a way, but hey ho!
> 
> I make no apology for 'insulting' 'people' if they cannot read instructions
> or get simple explanations. I had literally JUST said NOT to offer the
> likes of workaround buttons, plugins, etc. If they are so thick and
> demonstrate it by their (unneeded, unnecessary) responses then I WILL out
> them. I've seriously had enough of just 'putting-up' with this kind of
> behaviour anywhere and have vowed to continue in this 'spirit' whenever I
> am met with stupidity and ignorance. Here or anywhere. It is passive abuse
> and should be more intolerable than my provoked retaliations.
> 
> I thought you, Jacque, had already blacklisted me and said you would block
> my messages because of one of my previous provoked 'incidents', so I am
> surprised I got a response from you at all (although you mostly are one of
> those I can get the most sense from).
> 
> I truly value those who value me and who can respect my needs. Those who
> trample and disrespect I owe nothing to and do not care if they choose to
> block me. No real loss to me as they are clearly unable to offer me
> anything anyway other than try to pain me with threats of something like:
> 'OK. Any future question you ask, I will answer simply :"no".'. Aww, I'm so
> stabbed to the heart by the pettiness.
> 
> All the best to the best of you all. The rest can rest in the best place of
> all - somewhere else ;)
> 
> Sean
> 
>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 19:23, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/7/21 10:46 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I HAVE created a plugin! I was JUST trying to ask, can I insert a cr
>> using
>>> the replace field of the Find Replace ONLY.
>>> 
>>> I flipping already know how LC works for most other things. I dont need
>>> explanations on how to suck effing eggs. Just answer the sodding
>> question.
>>> 
>>> Answer nothing but this PLEASE.
>> 
>> The answer is "no."
>> 
>>> 
>>> This is why I end up getting mad! I even just explained this in my last
>>> post. Why are you all unable to READ!!! ???
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> PS
>>> Morons. I'm offended by your
>> 
>> Insulting people when they are just trying to help is a good way to get
>> ignored in the future.
>> 
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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

2021-04-06 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I haven’t been following this subject that close so I could be missing
completely with my answer, but when writing code in C or C++ the
/n is simply a  / and n characters not a carriage return.  The \n is
used for a new line which is a carriage return.  If I am missing the
point just ignore the post.

Forward slash n (/n) does not make a new  line.
Back slash n (\n) does make a new line.

JB

> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob, Regex only appears to operate on the read of the text, so
>;
> in the *find* field will locate all of the places a semicolon is found, but
> putting
>/n
> into the *replace* field will not replace the ; with a cr
> 
> Brian, The project is huge and I don't yet have the time to invest in
> porting it all to github just yet. As it is I have created my own simple
> regex text operator that I copy/paste the script into.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/glq6pco70d3zgt3/Screenshot%202021-04-06%20at%2006.21.22.png?dl=0
> 
> Richard, I've tried in the Find, Find and replace of the script editor and
> the Find/Replace from the main menu. I can't seem to place a carriage
> return (or line feed or whatever) into the replacement field. This is what
> I am trying to achieve. Replace ";" with "cr" in myScript. I can do it in
> code, but not from the find/replace windows. :(
> 
> Sean
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Re: Unreliable File Deletion

2021-03-30 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I have only read this one entry your subject so I may not be of any help
but LiveCode is written using C++ and here is a link  with some  info
about temporary files;

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/io/c/tmpfile

The above link mentions,

If the program closes the file, e.g. by executing std::fclose, the file is 
automatically deleted.

It seemed to me you were interested in deleting a temporary file and it is
possible the ability to delete a temporary file is not built in and won’t be
nor is it a bug.  If I remember correctly the proper way would  be to do
a flush on the file instead of deleting it. That deletes everything in the
file and you do not bother deleting it because it is deleted automatically
when your program closes and after it is flushed the memory used will
not be an issue either because it is cleared.

JB

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 3:02 AM, R.H. via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Referring Date: 2021-03-29 09:04:04 +0100
> From: Mark Waddingham 
> Subject: Re: Unreliable File Deletion
> Message-ID: 
> 
> Environment: Windows 10, 64bit
> LC: Version 9.6.1
> 
> Dear Mark, Richard and all
> 
> Thank you for your replies ))).
> 
> Your comments are -- of course -- right, but I made a mistake in posting
> something that was incorrectly typed.
> 
> Your wrote:
>> ll cases of people reporting bugs with 'delete file' on Windows that I
>> have seen fall into one of two cases:
>> 1) The path they give to 'delete file' is wrong.
>> 2) The file they are trying to delete is open by the app, or by another
> app.
> 
> I am using URL ("binfile:"&) to read and write from and to the
> file.
> For deleting I was and I am using and always have been using "delete file
> ".
> 
> Unfortunately, I stated this incorrectly when retyping it to compose it as
> part of my message as I changed the original statement here and there, but
> it is not in the actual statement. This is my mistake to post it as such
> and I apologize.
> 
> The file is in a writeable/readable location. It is neither protected, nor
> is it used by any other service/app.
> 
> On my system (Windows 10) asking for specialfolderpath("resources") result
> in the following path: "C:/Users/Roland/Documents/LC-Recent/LSP_App". This
> is so because I put it there.
> 
> It is in the DOCUMENTS folder and therefore should not give problems.
> But the same problem with deleting appears also when using
> specialfolderpath("documents").
> 
> At other times, it worked! It is not something that is very transparent for
> now.
> 
> Since on the Desktop and in any such user directory I can delete files
> without assigning Admin rigths, the problem should not be a system problem.
> I can also issue a shell command, as I posted, to delete and it works well
> without problems. This at least is my fallback in case LC does not delete
> my temporary file/s. So, actually, I use my function and do not care as it
> solves what it needs to solve (just replace the wrong "delete file
> (binfile.." part and put "delete file ").
> 
> I know that other apps can use files and then it will be possible to delete
> such files for good reasons. But that is not the case here.
> 
> I can investigate other possibilities, but nevertheless, it should work in
> such directory. If I find the time to check out the error also looking at
> the system message, I will do and post if there is anything that makes it
> more clear.
> 
> Thanks Richard for posting your additional error investigation. I will
> check it out later as currently I am in a rush job.
> 
> Your posting:
>> delete file tFile
>> if the result is not empty then
>> answer the result &" ("& sysError() &")"
>> end if
> 
> Regards to everyone here
> Roland
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-29 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
They will probably never take the time to be bothered with complaining
by not buying from Apple or Microsoft.  It would be easier for them to
not buy electricity from the power companies and that won’t happen
either.

JB

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 3/29/2021 12:28 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> In any case it is not as easy as it use to be and IMO, this door may be 
>> closing.
> You are 100% right. The door is closing and will eventually be closed unless 
> enough consumers of Apple (and Windows) products complain with their buying 
> power to Apple and Microsoft.
> 
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-29 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
And another good reason not to kick sand in LC’s face is they appear
to be the only ones who have invested the money and time for the
free community version to exist as it is today with the many features
it has now.  Think about if before you become so cheap & selfish that
you try to destroy them.

JB

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2021-03-27 22:22, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> Also note: The stacks you distribute cannot violate the LC license
>> agreement. They can't reproduce IDE features or allow users to do
>> things that only a licensed user can do. Please don't violate the
>> license agreement; we all want LC to prosper.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> I feel I must explicitly point out at this point that, in addition to 
> forbidding creation of LiveCode-IDE-like applications, the commercial license 
> agreement also explicitly prohibit generic player apps (or indeed any player 
> app which allows a non-commercially licensed user to access commercial 
> features).
> 
> I strongly recommend reviewing section 3 of the (commercial) license 
> agreement for full details. The reason these clauses are there is to ensure 
> we don't end up in a situation where we only ever sell one LC license a year: 
> to a person who creates and distributes a player app and an automated build 
> service using a business license to spit out standalones for everyone else 
> who is using Community.
> 
> In terms of the general thrust behind this thread - I completely agree that 
> standalone building has become tortuous over the last few years as all 
> platforms add more and more hoops you have to jump through. However, this is 
> probably best done by improving the standalone building process (i.e. making 
> it as easy as possible) rather than anything else.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-28 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
Thanks for clarifying that for me!

As far as the license stuff goes on the community version I personally
think the community is allowed to supersede LiveCode if they feel like
investing the time.  It should not be able to be held back just to make
sure all of the new features are done by the LiveCode Team. As long
as it is kept public like the community version was designed to do.

JB

> On Mar 28, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> John et al,
> 
> To recap: 
> 
> My ultimate goal is to get support for RunRev to provide a LiveCodeLight 
> download that opens stacks but hides or strips the IDE. I can’t believe this 
> would be difficult in any way.
> 
> In the meantime, I am trying to recreate the old Standalone app method (See 
> Jacquelines’ post in this thread) that opens stacks. 2 or more OSs ago this 
> was extremely easy to do, but because of the increasing complexity of Apple 
> requirements (and Windows?) it is now quite difficult and I have yet to 
> succeed at it. Even if it is still possible, I shudder to think what they 
> will do next to further complicate our efforts to simple collaborate and 
> share with family and friends.
> 
> Thanks to all who are taking an interest.
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 9:14 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was thinking one of the reasons people were saying not to provide a
>> scaled down version of the development system to do it was because
>> they were afraid it would interfere with the license. But since you can
>> do it according to some of you is proof you are allowed to automate
>> the process and that should not interfere with the user license.
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it works, the upside is that anyone can do it themselves and coach 
>>> their family into doing the two step process once on the first time install.
>>> 
>>> If it doesn’t work, we need to get a real developer to make a real app that 
>>> jumps through Apple’s hoops. And then the developer has to keep it updated 
>>> every time Apple makes a change. 
>>> 
>>> I agree this whole thing is a bother, but as other posts have pointed out, 
>>> “This is not the good old days and security is not going away” so this 
>>> whole discussion is trying to find the narrowest point to cross. If the 
>>> amateurs can do it themselves with a two step magic incantation, then this 
>>> puts the ball back in their court and allows them into the game with out 
>>> going through the Apple doorway.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Mar, 2021, at 9:54 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I may have got lost on this subject but if his goal was to make it
>>>> easy for people to open his app by doing something like using a
>>>> scaled down version of the development system then this one
>>>> step of doing it twice is a valid reason for using what he wanted
>>>> because people do not want to be bothered with things like that.
>>>> 
>>>> JB
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 8:41 PM, scott--- via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I may have described it incorrectly. After re-testing here on OS 11.2.3  
>>>>> I found that it required two tries. Trying to open it the first time 
>>>>> meets with failure. But Right clicking and choosing “Open” the second 
>>>>> time gives a second dialog that will allow it to open.
>>>>> 
>>>>> —
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nope! Right clicking on a standalone I’m trying to share with my wife on 
>>>>>> her iMac w OS 11.2 results in this menu: Open Attachment - Quick Look 
>>>>>> Attachment - Save Attachment…. - Save to Downloads Folder - Share - Copy 
>>>>>> - Speech
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then, clicking on the “Open Attachment” menu item results in the same 
>>>>>> response I reported earlier: a simple screen with this message: You do 
>>>>>> not have permission to open the application “StackOmatic”. “Contact your 
>>>>>> computer or network administrator for assistance” with a simple “OK” 

Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-28 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I was thinking one of the reasons people were saying not to provide a
scaled down version of the development system to do it was because
they were afraid it would interfere with the license. But since you can
do it according to some of you is proof you are allowed to automate
the process and that should not interfere with the user license.

JB

> On Mar 28, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it works, the upside is that anyone can do it themselves and coach their 
> family into doing the two step process once on the first time install.
> 
> If it doesn’t work, we need to get a real developer to make a real app that 
> jumps through Apple’s hoops. And then the developer has to keep it updated 
> every time Apple makes a change. 
> 
> I agree this whole thing is a bother, but as other posts have pointed out, 
> “This is not the good old days and security is not going away” so this whole 
> discussion is trying to find the narrowest point to cross. If the amateurs 
> can do it themselves with a two step magic incantation, then this puts the 
> ball back in their court and allows them into the game with out going through 
> the Apple doorway.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 28 Mar, 2021, at 9:54 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I may have got lost on this subject but if his goal was to make it
>> easy for people to open his app by doing something like using a
>> scaled down version of the development system then this one
>> step of doing it twice is a valid reason for using what he wanted
>> because people do not want to be bothered with things like that.
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 8:41 PM, scott--- via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I may have described it incorrectly. After re-testing here on OS 11.2.3  I 
>>> found that it required two tries. Trying to open it the first time meets 
>>> with failure. But Right clicking and choosing “Open” the second time gives 
>>> a second dialog that will allow it to open.
>>> 
>>> —
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Nope! Right clicking on a standalone I’m trying to share with my wife on 
>>>> her iMac w OS 11.2 results in this menu: Open Attachment - Quick Look 
>>>> Attachment - Save Attachment…. - Save to Downloads Folder - Share - Copy - 
>>>> Speech
>>>> 
>>>> Then, clicking on the “Open Attachment” menu item results in the same 
>>>> response I reported earlier: a simple screen with this message: You do not 
>>>> have permission to open the application “StackOmatic”. “Contact your 
>>>> computer or network administrator for assistance” with a simple “OK” 
>>>> button. Dead end as before!
>>>> 
>>>> Further, at Kelly's suggestion to try and adjust settings in the Security 
>>>> and Privacy System Preferences to downgrade standards to allow a one time 
>>>> opening, I found nothing of the sort. 
>>>> 
>>>> So at this point, I think Kelly’s idea of someone with Apple credentials 
>>>> building a certified standalone that runs stacks is the only short term 
>>>> solution. If it helps, I and probably others, would be willing to pay a 
>>>> reasonable fee for such gem. Otherwise, I and anyone else wanting to share 
>>>> stacks, will have to jump through the increasingly ridiculous hoops that 
>>>> Apple (and Windows?) place before us. OTH….
>>>> 
>>>> Ultimately, I really think that a LiveCodeLight app that runs stacks 
>>>> without the IDE would be the best way to go to share stacks with friends, 
>>>> family and colleagues.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:24 AM, scott--- via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kelly is correct. While holding down the control key, click and hold (or 
>>>>> right click) to get an additional menu allowing you to choose to open the 
>>>>> app.
>>>>> —
>>>>> Scott 
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-28 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I may have got lost on this subject but if his goal was to make it
easy for people to open his app by doing something like using a
scaled down version of the development system then this one
step of doing it twice is a valid reason for using what he wanted
because people do not want to be bothered with things like that.

JB

> On Mar 28, 2021, at 8:41 PM, scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I may have described it incorrectly. After re-testing here on OS 11.2.3  I 
> found that it required two tries. Trying to open it the first time meets with 
> failure. But Right clicking and choosing “Open” the second time gives a 
> second dialog that will allow it to open.
> 
> —
> Scott
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope! Right clicking on a standalone I’m trying to share with my wife on her 
>> iMac w OS 11.2 results in this menu: Open Attachment - Quick Look Attachment 
>> - Save Attachment…. - Save to Downloads Folder - Share - Copy - Speech
>> 
>> Then, clicking on the “Open Attachment” menu item results in the same 
>> response I reported earlier: a simple screen with this message: You do not 
>> have permission to open the application “StackOmatic”. “Contact your 
>> computer or network administrator for assistance” with a simple “OK” button. 
>> Dead end as before!
>> 
>> Further, at Kelly's suggestion to try and adjust settings in the Security 
>> and Privacy System Preferences to downgrade standards to allow a one time 
>> opening, I found nothing of the sort. 
>> 
>> So at this point, I think Kelly’s idea of someone with Apple credentials 
>> building a certified standalone that runs stacks is the only short term 
>> solution. If it helps, I and probably others, would be willing to pay a 
>> reasonable fee for such gem. Otherwise, I and anyone else wanting to share 
>> stacks, will have to jump through the increasingly ridiculous hoops that 
>> Apple (and Windows?) place before us. OTH….
>> 
>> Ultimately, I really think that a LiveCodeLight app that runs stacks without 
>> the IDE would be the best way to go to share stacks with friends, family and 
>> colleagues.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Mar 28, 2021, at 12:24 AM, scott--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kelly is correct. While holding down the control key, click and hold (or 
>>> right click) to get an additional menu allowing you to choose to open the 
>>> app.
>>> —
>>> Scott 
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Re: [bug] strange memory leak in LC

2021-03-26 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I am not personally using Bug Sur but if you make a standalone does
it leak  memory too or is this only with the development system?

JB

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 7:29 PM, scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m running Big Sur and just got a warning from the OS that I was out of 
> application memory. Livecode was using 133.52 GB of memory.  It had been open 
> for a couple days but it wasn’t doing anything.
> --
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>> On Mar 26, 2021, at 6:53 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sean,
>> 
>> The stack was not running anything. It was simply opened. I don’t believe it 
>> would leak like that. Anyway, I’m monitoring to see if it happens again.
>> 
>> A
>> 
 On 26 Mar 2021, at 13:01, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, Andre, that's impressive. That amounts to about 34MB per minute over
>>> 48hrs. I've had a pretty massive stack (226MB file at the moment) on my Mac
>>> sitting here over the last week. Looking in the activity monitor, LC has
>>> 987MB associated with it. and watching it over a period of time it remains
>>> stable and even went down a tiny bit.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if this is more an issue with Rosetta2 in this instance. Maybe
>>> something in LC leaks because of the Rosetta transformation of the binary.
>>> Perhaps, as a test, open the same stack on a non-AppleSilicon Mac and watch
>>> them both for how much memory they expend over a period of time.
>>> 
>>> All the best with that.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 10:03, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I have no idea what happened. I’m running LC 9.6.2-rc-3 on macOS Big Sur
 on M1 ISA (so it is running under Rosetta 2). I kept the IDE opened for a
 couple days, I was working on a gaziliion stacks at the same time and was
 not yet ready to close them.
 
 The stacks were not doing anything, they were not running “send in time”
 commands or doing any kind of processing, they were just opened. Then macOS
 showed me a dialog I have never ever seen on macOS 10.x, a memory
 exhaustion dialog. Looking closer at it, LiveCode was using 100 GB of
 memory, as in Gigabyte, as can be seen on this screenshot:
 
 http://andregarzia.com/img/shots/lc-memory-leak.png <
 http://andregarzia.com/img/shots/lc-memory-leak.png>
 
 I remember things like the “default button” causing leaks due to the
 animation and so on, but all I had was a bunch of custom stacks open and
 the script editor focused. Thats it. It was open since yesterday.
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-26 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
It sounds to me that what you want is a version of the development system
without the ability to code or develop stacks.  Is that what HyperCard Player
did for hyperCard stacks?  Richard should know of SuperCard could do it.

JB

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 27/03/2021 00:35, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>> What are you looking for?  When were these "good ol days" in which one could 
>> run stack files without an engine, and how did that work?
>> 
> I can describe what I would like; that may be similar to what Roger is 
> looking for. Or it may not.
> But I think it is :-)
> 
> 
> I'd like to be able to develop a stack and give it to a friends or family, 
> and have them run it on their iOS or Android devices. I don't want to get 
> involved in building iOS standalones (or even installing xCode), so ideally I 
> would give them a simple app (i.e. stackRunner kind of thing), and then my 
> "app" as a document to load into that 'runner' app.
> 
>> There are many reasons it would be problematic to make one generic "player" 
>> for everyone's stack files, mostly user experience but also app store 
>> restrictions, and additional technical requirements for any devs using it to 
>> keep stacks playing nicely together.
> 
> I'm not going to sell apps, or distribute them widely, so I (don't think I) 
> care about app store restrictions. I also don't care about 'user experience' 
> in the sense of branding or feeling like a unique app.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by  "additional technical requirements..."
> 
> If that's feasible, I'd happily buy (or contribute cost towards) such a 
> 'runner' app. I doubt that I'd be the only one.
> 
> Alex.
> 
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Re: numberformat question

2021-03-22 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
You might be able to get the info by running your javascript
from a shell command.  Here is a link that might be of help;

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12659778/is-it-possible-to-run-javascript-files-from-the-command-line

JB


> On Mar 22, 2021, at 9:05 AM, jbv via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig,
> 
> Thank you for the link, but it doesn't help much :
> 
> bigDivide(-0.007347880794884118999,10)
> returns 0 , -0.01
> 
> what I'm actually trying to do is to transpose in LC
> an algo for solving cubic equations that runs perfectly
> in javascript.
> So my solution will finally be to multiply data by 10^6,
> run the algo, and then divide the results by 10^6 by
> treating them as strings and moving the dot...
> It's not really elegant and especially quite slow, as I
> need to process large amounts of data and am not sure
> that I'll be able to use LC for that project (which is
> so far only a prototype).
> 
> I don't mean to start another endless thread on this topic,
> but one thing puzzles me though : I understand that LC doesn't
> use decimal numbers for internal calculations for reasons
> of speed, but then how come does js perform high precision
> calculations without any speed issues ?
> 
> Best
> 
> Le 2021-03-22 09:41, Craig Newman via use-livecode a écrit :
>> Check out this thread in the forum:
>> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=25132=130985=longadd#p130985
>> 
>> Craig
 On Mar 21, 2021, at 7:34 AM, jbv via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> Paul, Sean,
>>> Thank you both for your answers, although it doesn't really solve my 
>>> problem.
>>> The most surprising thing is that javascript runs these calculations without
>>> problem :
>>> (-0.007347880794884118999 / 10) returns -7.347880794884119e-16
>>> (-0.007347880794884118999 / 1) returns 
>>> -7.347880794884119e-19
>>> Best
>>> Le 2021-03-21 07:11, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode a écrit :
 Livecode can handle floating point numbers up to 2^52. But then
 calculations would have to fit within that range in a floating point
 perspective too. So, once you add that ninth zero to the end of your
 divider, it struggles with the calculation and returns, effectively, number
 out of range.
 Fractions in FP binary are tremendously complicated. Calculation in it are
 even more so.
 https://www.h-schmidt.net/FloatConverter/IEEE754.html
 On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 at 20:23, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> I don't have an answer, other than to say there has been a LOT of
> discussion over the years about the limits of number precision in
> LiveCode and a number of enhancement requests and 3rd party libraries
> that have attempted to provide a framework for high precision math. You
> might search the list archives or search the forum on the LC web site
> for past discussions about number precision.
> On 3/20/2021 3:06 PM, jbv via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi list,
> > I am a bit lost :
> >
> >set numberformat to ".#"
> >put -0.007347880794884118999 / 1000
> > -- returns -0.07347880794884119  which is ok
> >
> >put -0.007347880794884118999 / 100
> > -- returns -0.7347880794884 -> also ok
> >
> >put -0.007347880794884118999 / 1
> > -- returns -0.0073478807949 -> still ok
> >
> >put -0.007347880794884118999 / 10
> > -- returns 0 -> ?
> >
> > Any explanations ?
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Best,
> > jbv
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2020-12-31 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I thought the Mac M1 Chip has Rosetta or something
like that allowing most 64 bit programs to still  run
so I was thinking any 64 bit version of LC would still
work.

JB


> On Dec 31, 2020, at 5:15 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> You need to be on macOS Big Sur for the new hardware (I think).
> 
> There are bugs in LC vs Big Sur that are only fixed in LC 9.6.2rc1 so you 
> probably want to rebuild any Standalones using that version of LC
> 
> 
>> On 12/30/2020 10:29 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode wrote:
>> Should any LC standalone work with the Mac M1 Chip
>> if it was working on Mojave and above?
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I just tried it and it works fine! I’m happy to try yours out if you 
>>> wish??
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone tried an LC standalone on one of the new Macs with the M1 chip? 
>>>> I have customers asking and I don’t want to go buy one just to find out!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marty
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2020-12-30 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
Good to know! 
Thanks for the  info.

JB



> On Dec 30, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think so, but others may be more informed.
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:29 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Should any LC standalone work with the Mac M1 Chip
>> if it was working on Mojave and above?
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I just tried it and it works fine! I’m happy to try yours out if you 
>>> wish??
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone tried an LC standalone on one of the new Macs with the M1 chip? 
>>>> I have customers asking and I don’t want to go buy one just to find out!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marty
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2020-12-30 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
Should any LC standalone work with the Mac M1 Chip
if it was working on Mojave and above?

JB


> On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I just tried it and it works fine! I’m happy to try yours out if you 
> wish??
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried an LC standalone on one of the new Macs with the M1 chip? I 
>> have customers asking and I don’t want to go buy one just to find out!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marty
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Re: Livecode Builder - passing lcs string to C functions

2020-12-28 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
Basically you just use a shell  command to execute the c code
and  pass arguments to  the c program right after you call the
code  in the shell command.

I  wrote and example and posted it a few years ago  but I do
not have access to my old email  files at the moment but you
might still  be able to  find it by searching the list.

I would be interested in seeing how you are doing it if you
ever want to post the code for others to use.

JB


> On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Hi I'm stuck trying to find examples of passing lcs strings to a C function
> via pointer and it's driving me mad! I can retrieve char * pointers from C
> functions, convert to string and pass back to lcs but haven't come across
> any easy to grok examples of sending data to C. Any guidance would be
> appreciated
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: return "error" code from standalone compile

2020-12-10 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
Since Livecode is written in C++ here is some
info about using return  in  C.

Every C program has a function named main.   At the
end of the function the programmer usually writes a
return 0;

That tells  the c  program the code has  completed
and is exiting with  a  0 value which confirms it  has
successfully executed the code and is quitting.

At any point above that line the programmer can  write
a return call  but they will usually use a 1  on another
value.  The program will exit the code at that point  and
it does not matter what value is entered after the  return
but 1 usually means the code failed and any other value
but 0 means anything you want it to mean.

JB


> On Dec 9, 2020, at 8:52 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> I don't know much about this but it looks interesting. Is there a list of 
> exit codes somewhere? When the OS receives the exit code, what happens? I.e., 
> how would I use it?
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>> On December 9, 2020 7:48:10 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/9/20 5:32 PM, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On the completion of a stack, can the compiled executable return an error
>>> code like the old DOS ErrorLevel value(s)?  If so, how do you specify the
>>> error code?  in the on closeStack call?
>> 
>> See the quit command in the dictionary.
>> 
>> quit 42
>> 
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Re: Publishing Mac Apps

2020-11-16 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
I think that makes it easiest and safest for
the end user.  If you did  not code sign the
app they could probably still use it but it
would be a hassle.

JB

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:52 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I want to distribute Mac apps should I get a $99 Apple Developer account 
> and Notarize them? I don’t anticipate putting apps in the Apple App Store?
> 
> Are there other considerations or options to avoid problems as Apple 
> continues to enforce more restrictions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Vlahos
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Re: Is the DateFormat read only?

2020-10-28 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
You can  always use a shell command for things like
Dates and Calendars etc.  Google it and you will get
plenty of info.

JB

> On Oct 28, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> A quick test seems to show that the DateFormat can’t be changed by a ‘set’ 
> command.
> 
> How then can I force a date to be in a given format? I’m really thinking of 
> the difference between US and European dates, i.e
> 
> d/m/y versus m/d/y
> 
> Obviously for some types of use, an LC program should be able to force the 
> format for consistency’s sake, regardless of where in the world it’s being 
> run.
> 
> Can it be done?
> 
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

2020-10-13 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
One my iPad I have everything turned on for iCloud and I am
sure everything is backed up with my backup file.  I do not
see all of my individual files when I access icloud except for
ones I added through a different means than the application.

The issue of apps becoming outdated and any files being
locked in with the app is serious to me.  Not a big issue to
solve if Apple wants to.

JB

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> I’ll have to take issue with that one. If your device is set to sync to the 
> cloud, your notes will be preserver. There’s no unlikely about it. The only 
> way they would not sync is if you had sync turned off for notes. In that case 
> it is not only likely but certain you will lose any new data since sync was 
> disabled.
> 
> If it did not work this way, iCould would die a quick and horrible death.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Most likely it will not be saved to the
> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
> deleted with the app.
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

2020-10-13 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
Think and say anything you want!

A lot of people value accessing their files.  Someone will eventually
make a device that allows you to save your files properly and you
will see a lot of people switch platforms.

If you have any evidence suggesting people do  not care about
their files please provide it instead of attacking me with claims
I am just complaining about Apple in general.

And by the way, I am the one on this list who supported Apple
and  their App Store practices.  Explain that about someone
just attacking Apple.

JB

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m gonna say you have a bone to pick with Apple.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:34 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> So for school children who are interested in keeping their work
> for the rest of their life it all depends on Apples mood since it
> will only work if the app is still available on the App Store.
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

2020-10-12 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
That looks interesting but I don’t think it mentioned
iPad, and even if they make it for iPad here is a
note they mentioned;

This will free up storage used by the app, but keep its documents and data. 
Reinstalling the app will place back your data if the app is still available in 
the App Store.

So for school children who are interested in keeping their work
for the rest of their life it all depends on Apples mood since it
will only work if the app is still available on the App Store.

Not having the ability to control your data is a threat to record
keeping, since you are now locked into your data with the app.
That is a freedom we can lose with the desktop too.  If they can
control your records to a single source it is easier to delete, I am
sure by accident, like fires burning records at court houses, or
alter the records.

JB


> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:16 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> There's this, though it's up to the user:
> 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/07/ios-11-automatically-delete-unused-apps/
> 
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>> On October 12, 2020 5:11:48 PM John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has
>> its own Documents Folder.  You can get a url to the Documents
>> Folder for  your app but not other apps.  Using that url you can
>> read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps
>> Documents Folder.  A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an
>> app.  All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also  get
>> deleted.  So if you have a Note application  and have saved a lot
>> of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when
>> that Note taking app  is deleted  all of your information you’ve
>> saved is deleted  with it.  Most likely it will not be saved to the
>> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
>> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
>> deleted with the app.
>> 
>> To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be
>> using for school because  they should be allowed to keep
>> their school work without keeping outdated apps over the
>> years they go to school.
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that 
>>> this is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a 
>>> way for an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s 
>>> storage. I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably 
>>> some kind of Xcode library.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? 
>>> I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that 
>>> some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open 
>>> such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the 
>>> user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The 
>>> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules 
>>> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at 
>>> all.
>>> 
>>> Anyone tried it?
>>> 
>>> Graham
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

2020-10-12 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has
its own Documents Folder.  You can get a url to the Documents
Folder for  your app but not other apps.  Using that url you can
read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps
Documents Folder.  A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an
app.  All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also  get
deleted.  So if you have a Note application  and have saved a lot
of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when
that Note taking app  is deleted  all of your information you’ve
saved is deleted  with it.  Most likely it will not be saved to the
icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
deleted with the app.

To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be
using for school because  they should be allowed to keep
their school work without keeping outdated apps over the
years they go to school.

JB


> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this 
> is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for 
> an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. 
> I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind 
> of Xcode library.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I 
> see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some 
> apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such 
> files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a 
> chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The 
> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules 
> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all.
> 
> Anyone tried it?
> 
> Graham
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Re: Converting from unicode to ASCII

2020-09-22 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
You could easily convert it to HEX but that would
make the file name exactly twice as long.

JB

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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> There’s a tempname() function??? Ohhh fun!!
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
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> Can you use tempname() to create and retrieve the stack?
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Re: OT: change email address

2020-09-16 Thread John Balgenorth via use-livecode
Thanks for the info and fast reply!
It worked great.

JB


> 
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:25 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Go here
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> At the bottom there is a field, where you can enter your current email 
>> address. After that press the button 'unsubscribe or edit options'
>> 
>> On the nextpage you can login with your email address and your password.
>> On the next page you can change your email address.
>> 
>> If you do not know your password anymore the press the button 'remind me' to 
>> get your password emailed to you.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>> 
 Am 16.09.2020 um 07:37 schrieb JB via use-livecode 
 :
>>> 
>>> Will someone please tell  me how to change the email  address I am using to 
>>> receive messages from the LiveCode lists?
>>> 
>>> I tried the run rev.com web link and the message I sent there failed and 
>>> was returned.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> JB
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