Re: On the dangers of automated refactoring

2021-04-13 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
I can't speak for others, but I can personally vouch for the authenticity of 
that statement 

On 2021-04-13, 12:12 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Andre Garzia via 
use-livecode"  wrote:


I bet many here never used a unit testing library.



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Re: Behaviors and scripts and a new handler structure...

2021-04-04 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Hi Bob,

If you have a bit of time, could you tell us a bit more about how?

Thanks,
Mark

> On Apr 2, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have already implemented this with the help of others, for Datagrids. I 
> think it works already for other things. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:51 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have increasingly been using behaviors in my applications where it makes 
>> sense to assign a script to multiple objects or to override the actions of 
>> existing script handlers by assign a behavior with different version of 
>> those handlers.
>> 
>> The one thing I dislike about behaviors is all the objects I need to create 
>> (a button for this behavior another button for that behavior script and so 
>> on).
>> 
>> I'd love to see a new LCS structure like the following:
>> 
>> behavior 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> end 
>> 
>> that you can just have in a script. Even multiple behaviors in the same 
>> script perhaps each with their own 'mouseUp' handlers and then you can set 
>> the behavior of an object to a behavior name and done. Obviously, any 
>> messages (i.e mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. etc.) in the behavior block should 
>> never received a mouseDown, mouseUp, etc. message unless sent to the object 
>> tat have the behavior assigned to it.
>> 
>> I think it would make code maintenance potentially much easier. I don't have 
>> any idea how much of a engine change such a addition to the language would 
>> represent.
>> 
>> Anyone else think this is a good idea?
> 
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Re: [ANN] New Book: Development Oriented Development

2021-04-01 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Hi Andre, thanks for this delightful and inspiring little book. Your “Type 
Tool” in particular has spawned a whole range of ideas related to things I 
never thought could be accomplished so easily. 

Mark

> On Mar 23, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Thanks a ton for the kind words and feedback. Your message makes me quite
> happy because what you're describing is exactly the kind of experience that
> I wanted to encourage when I wrote that book. Let us know how your plugin
> writing goes :-) oh, I'm also interested in feedback for part 2 of that
> book which is about project-focused tooling, if you have any thoughts about
> it, I'd be keen to know more.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-31 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Wonderful, thanks for posting!

Mark

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought at this point, I could make a useful contribution to this thread:
> 
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1386097-i-get-a-warning-about-malicious-software-when-opening-a-livecode-standalone-on-mac
>  
> 
> 
> My thanks to Scott for the handy test app, I hope you do not mind me using it 
> to create this lesson...
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 00:53, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for your kind offer, Alex, but I think the process of opening an 
>> unblessed standalone for OS 11 has been solved. See my previous post in 
>> response to Scott. Turns out to be fairly simple . . . at least for this 
>> iteration of OS. In short, just right-click 2 times. It may also be 
>> important to do this from the Downloads folder. Not sure about that tho
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29/03/2021 22:11, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
 Thanks, Alex. Unfortunately it comes up with the “No Entry” sign on this 
 machine.
 
 Roger
>>> 
>>> I'm not exactly sure what message this is, or when it happens. But this 
>>> sounds like "Fortunately, ..." because I think it means you have an app 
>>> that hits a brickwall of permission on your own machine - so we can look at 
>>> it in more detail without bothering your wife's many multiple windows.
>>> 
>>> It's hard to describe these things in words - hence my suggestion of a Zoom 
>>> call where you can screen-share and let others watch (and suggest) while 
>>> you try it. If you want to try that with just me, please do (I'm 
>>> unavailable for the next hour, but free from approx 00:30 - 01:30 UK time), 
>>> or tomorrow almost any time, given some notice).
>>> Or contact me off-list and we'll find a time.
>>> Or suggest a time and someone else might be able to join in and help.
>>> 
>>> There are lots of motivated people wanting to help - or to find out what 
>>> they're going to need to tell their own users when those users upgrade to a 
>>> later MacOS. :-)
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
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Re: Smooth scrolling

2021-02-02 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Very nice. Thanks Panos

> On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:54 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> This bug report contains a workaround for smooth scrolling - hope it helps.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19759
> 
> Cheers,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 16:17, Craig newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On a Mac, I made a field with 25000 words or so. Certainly dragging the
>> thumb is jerky.
>> 
>> But dragging the thumb forces the field's scroll  to track the thumbPos, as
>> it relates to the number of lines and the total "pixel" travel available to
>> that thumb. I don't see how a field could scroll smoothly at all, since the
>> thumb and the scroll are locked together.
>> 
>> In other words, how can it "glide" from one line (scroll position) to
>> another, since the thumbPos has a finite number of possible locations, and
>> if there are a LOT of lines, each location may be several lines away?
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 10:11 PM
>> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Cc: Richard Gaskin 
>> Subject: Re: Smooth scrolling
>> 
>> David Epstein wrote:
>> 
>>> My impression is that a LiveCode field scrolls less smoothly than  > a
>> comparable field in some other programs, such as MS Word and  > Scrivener.
>> If I paste about 25,000 words into a word wrapped  > scrolling field, and
>> then drag the scrolling thumb up and down  > there is much more jumpiness
>> than I see when I do the same thing  > to the same text in those other
>> programs.  (LC 9.6 on Mac OS 10.12.6).
>>> Do others see the same thing?  Does anyone know the underlying cause  >
>> of this, or a remedy?
>> 
>> Nice to hear the name Scrivener. Blount did some good rethinking of how
>> words are managed when he came up with that app.
>> 
>> In the olden days I remember being impressed with how smoothly LC scrolled
>> vs things like Word, which wasn't all that surprising given that LC buffers
>> the whole field in RAM while Word pages from disk.
>> 
>> A lot's changed since then. Not only have SSDs taken over to narrow the
>> gap,
>> but I no longer have a copy of Word to compare anything to. :)
>> 
>> But I did just do a quick test of LC v9.6.2rc2 vs LibreOffice Write on
>> Ubuntu 18.04, using Kafka's Metamorphosis to get a reasonably close number
>> of words to your test (Gutenberg Project RTF is 25,180 words:
>> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/5200/5200-r.rtf ).
>> 
>> Very different setup of course, but FWIW LC and LibreOffice are quite close
>> in scrolling, though LC seems noticeably smoother.
>> 
>> Of course Ubuntu and macOS couldn't be more different from top to bottom,
>> with different font managers, buffering APIs, compositors, etc., so while
>> it
>> was easy for me to do this quick test it's almost entirely useless.
>> 
>> What might be nice would be someone with good knowledge of Apple low-level
>> tools, similar to the ones we see for Android or to some degree strace,
>> where graphical UI stuff can be profiled so we can see what Word and LC are
>> doing differently.
>> 
>> It might also be worth setting the field's layerMode to "scrolling" and the
>> stack's compositorType to "CoreGraphics" to see if that improves things.
>> 
>> --
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>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  
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Re: clipboardData on Mobile?

2021-01-28 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
I could definitely use the same feature in my upcoming app. Does anyone know if 
a feature request has been logged?

> On Jan 27, 2021, at 11:56 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> Is there a way to set the clipboardData a mobile device?  (iOS and Android).
> 
> Client want's a "copy" button so they can paste the text outside of the app 
> (in Notes, or a external document).
> 
> 
> -Dan
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

2021-01-24 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Thanks for weighing in on this issue Kee. I realize Apple grants unto itself 
certain inalienable rights that are not always (in my opinion) wise, or 
justified (ie. they are open to all sorts of corporate bias and malfeasance) 
but as you say, “them’s the rules” and if you want to play in their sandbox you 
had better abide by them. I presume there is some semblance of common sense at 
Apple, at least I hope so :)

Mark

> On Jan 24, 2021, at 3:14 PM, kee nethery via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:20 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
>> 
>> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable would 
>> be a stretch, no?
> 
> There is a significantly large number of certified developers. I personally 
> have three developer accounts for three separate efforts. If I was willing, I 
> could risk burning one of those accounts. Not that I’m going to do so, just 
> saying, yes, the business amd the developer would have to be in on it. 
> 
>> For example, if I had an app that linked to course selections on University 
>> websites, are they going to suggest that these could be portals to pedophile 
>> shopping sites by entering a secret pass phrase? By the sounds of it, please 
>> correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app can link to a website for content 
>> regardless of the status of the organization that stands behind the site? 
>> H, I still have a lot to learn in this space. 
> 
> Just saying that you need to really read the published rules and follow them. 
> When there is an exception needed, you need to really sell your case to Apple 
> and they might go for it, but assume they won’t. Not all app ideas can be 
> apps.
> 
>> 
>> Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these limitations?
> 
> Apple developer site makes you agree to their terms and conditions. Thats 
> what you want to reread with a very critical ete.
> 
> Kee
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that 
>>> pulls from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping 
>>> app by entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web 
>>> site. (as an extreme example)
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Re: Comments for Properties in the Property Inspector?

2021-01-23 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
I’ve recently taken to prefacing custom properties with the initials “cp” and 
find that when I do a global search on “cp” all that shows up are my custom 
properties. I don’t know if this will help solve your problem but it helps me 
to know what cp’s are declared, as well as where they are used. 


> On Jan 23, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Random Thought of the Day:
> 
> Does anyone else wish that custom properties had an optional comment field 
> that could be viewed in the Property Inspector (PI)?
> 
> I realize you can always comment properties in the code where you use them, 
> but I find myself often in the PI looking at a Property that has, say an 
> enumerated set of values, and I don't remember what all the values are, nor 
> do I remember exactly where in the many stacks of code the property is first 
> documented. I find myself wishing each custom property has a comment field.
> 
> I suppose I could create a library of setProp and getProp handlers for every 
> property I might like to document and document the values or constraints 
> there. I suppose if I am doing that extra degree of work then I could enforce 
> any constraints on the customer property in the getProp and setProp handlers, 
> but that seems like a non-trivial extra amount of work just to remember that 
> the custom property should only have values of X, Y, and Z.
> 
> Thoughts?
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

2021-01-20 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.

That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable would be 
a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to course selections on 
University websites, are they going to suggest that these could be portals to 
pedophile shopping sites by entering a secret pass phrase? By the sounds of it, 
please correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app can link to a website for 
content regardless of the status of the organization that stands behind the 
site? H, I still have a lot to learn in this space. 

Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these limitations?

Thanks
Mark

> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that pulls 
> from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping app by 
> entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web site. (as 
> an extreme example)

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Re: Swipe gesture script on datagrid

2021-01-19 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Or “RowRightSwipeControlClicked” in your case. It depends on how you invoke the 
action control.

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 4:18 PM, Mark Smith  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that’s how it’s done. And then in your row behavior script respond to
> on EditModeActionControlClicked pTarget
> 
> with pTarget containing the short name of your action control button.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Phil Davis via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Would the dgProp["left swipe control"] of grp "yourDG" help? At least that 
>> might let you change the default trash can to some other control (maybe to a 
>> group that contains your 2 buttons?). If you get that far, maybe the message 
>> path of your 2 buttons would go through the DG template row behavior script. 
>> I don't know for sure but that would be my first guess.
>> 
>> Phil Davis
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/18/21 10:28 PM, Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> How edit the script of a swipe gesture control ?
>>> I want to add two buttons to the right swipe control, it’s ok for 
>>> appearance but I cannot find where to edit the script.
>>> 
>>> Is it even possible?
>>> 
>>> PS : i have datagrid helper plugin 2.5.
>>> 
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Re: Swipe gesture script on datagrid

2021-01-19 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Yes, that’s how it’s done. And then in your row behavior script respond to
on EditModeActionControlClicked pTarget

with pTarget containing the short name of your action control button.



> On Jan 19, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Phil Davis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would the dgProp["left swipe control"] of grp "yourDG" help? At least that 
> might let you change the default trash can to some other control (maybe to a 
> group that contains your 2 buttons?). If you get that far, maybe the message 
> path of your 2 buttons would go through the DG template row behavior script. 
> I don't know for sure but that would be my first guess.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> On 1/18/21 10:28 PM, Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> How edit the script of a swipe gesture control ?
>> I want to add two buttons to the right swipe control, it’s ok for appearance 
>> but I cannot find where to edit the script.
>> 
>> Is it even possible?
>> 
>> PS : i have datagrid helper plugin 2.5.
>> 
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

2021-01-19 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Hi Andre, how are “apps to bundled content” different from “apps that are 
portals to web content" (Jacque’s description)? Or put another way, if someone 
wanted to design a tourist app that highlighted interesting local tourist 
destinations near them with a link you can click on to purchase tickets or book 
reservations etc, would that violate Apple’s guidelines? Asking for a friend :)

Cheers,
Mark

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> But apps that are browsers to bundled content are OK. That is how you get
> Apache Cordova and Phonegap to work.
> 
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 02:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/18/21 2:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of all the mobile
>> apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.
>> 
>> I thought mobile stores (Apple, etc) explicitly disallowed apps that
>> were essentially just web browsers to external content.
>> 
>> Am I wrong about this?
>> 
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Re: mobileControlCreate (set, do, etc)

2021-01-16 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Hi Sannyasin, 

Two suggestions. Could you build a small test stack to test your idea and 
refine it? Not sure of your hardware, but that might be faster to load than a 
larger, more complicated application.  Also, the simulator might be another 
possible option to speed things up while testing?

Cheers,
Mark
 

> On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:56 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> How in this done on desktop? It takes 15 minutes to build a standalone on 
> iOS. Do we have make adjustments the mobile controls. AND then do another 
> standalone.
> 
> This would intro a Big factor in time development.
> 
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Re: New MacBook Pro Results

2020-12-14 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Are you referring to Scott Rossi? LC did a profile on Scott for the Locked 
Learning Series in May. Google “Scott Rossi Livecode” to find our what he’s 
been up to recently. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know, but I’m sure others on this list do.
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 8:45 PM, Linda Miller via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> “I sure do miss Scott!”
>> 
>> I have been watching videos from different conferences and enjoyed his 
>> lectures. So, what happened to Scott?
>> 
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Re: iOS notification app goes into background doesn't seem to work

2020-11-24 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
 
>>>> hour testing yesterday (I was also interested in evaluating something I 
>>>> needed to occur around the time the date changed, hence the late hour 
>>>> testing.). But as you can see, I had 3 ResignActiveNotifications before 
>>>> the first DidBecomeActive occurred. 
>>>> 
>>>> 2:33:58 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS
>>>> 
>>>> 11:22:40 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS
>>>> 
>>>> 11:25:50 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS
>>>> 
>>>> 11:33:19 PM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in SS
>>>> 
>>>> 11:33:26 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS
>>>> 
>>>> 1:21:48 AM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in SS
>>>> 
>>>> 1:29:38 AM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:33 PM, Mark Smith >>>> <mailto:marksmith...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham, I think there might be a problem. I just re-enabled this code in 
>>>>> one of my applications and the only thing I am seeing is the 
>>>>> WillResignActiveNotification message, and not the 
>>>>> DidBecomeActiveNotification message. Odd also because it is the exact 
>>>>> opposite of what you are seeing, so we are both seeing half of the story, 
>>>>> just not the same half :) I’ll keep it enabled and see if I can spot any 
>>>>> patterns. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried exactly your suggestion. For me, the second notification appears 
>>>>>> exactly as you say, but the first one doesn’t. It’s likely that I made a 
>>>>>> silly mistake but I can’t see what it is. I put other stuff in the log, 
>>>>>> so it’s not just a case of the text being overwritten. Obviously the app 
>>>>>> does go into the background, since it is detected coming back to the 
>>>>>> foreground. This test was on the Xcode simulator, but I got essentially 
>>>>>> the same results on a real iPhone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Strange.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 20 Nov 2020, at 17:21, Mark Smith >>>>>> <mailto:marksmith...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Graham, you can put something like the following in your handlers 
>>>>>>> and then check the log file to see when they were activated.  If you're 
>>>>>>> using Xcode you can download your “sandbox”  to your device. You’ll 
>>>>>>> find the log file in there. 
>>>>>>> put the long time && "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification 
>>>>>>> detected" & return after url ("file:" & specialFolderPath("documents") 
>>>>>>> & "/log.txt")
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> for example…
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 10:39:05 AM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in Stack 
>>>>>>> Script
>>>>>>> 10:57:23 AM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in Stack 
>>>>>>> Script
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks to Mark Smith and Henry Lowe, I know that I’m supposed to set 
>>>>>>>> up mergNotify for two notifications as below.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I believe I’ve done this, and I’ve set a mo

Re: iOS notification app goes into background doesn't seem to work

2020-11-24 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
ith >>> <mailto:marksmith...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Graham, I think there might be a problem. I just re-enabled this code in 
>>>> one of my applications and the only thing I am seeing is the 
>>>> WillResignActiveNotification message, and not the 
>>>> DidBecomeActiveNotification message. Odd also because it is the exact 
>>>> opposite of what you are seeing, so we are both seeing half of the story, 
>>>> just not the same half :) I’ll keep it enabled and see if I can spot any 
>>>> patterns. 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried exactly your suggestion. For me, the second notification appears 
>>>>> exactly as you say, but the first one doesn’t. It’s likely that I made a 
>>>>> silly mistake but I can’t see what it is. I put other stuff in the log, 
>>>>> so it’s not just a case of the text being overwritten. Obviously the app 
>>>>> does go into the background, since it is detected coming back to the 
>>>>> foreground. This test was on the Xcode simulator, but I got essentially 
>>>>> the same results on a real iPhone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Strange.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 20 Nov 2020, at 17:21, Mark Smith >>>>> <mailto:marksmith...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Graham, you can put something like the following in your handlers and 
>>>>>> then check the log file to see when they were activated.  If you're 
>>>>>> using Xcode you can download your “sandbox”  to your device. You’ll find 
>>>>>> the log file in there. 
>>>>>> put the long time && "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification 
>>>>>> detected" & return after url ("file:" & specialFolderPath("documents") & 
>>>>>> "/log.txt")
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> for example…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 10:39:05 AM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in Stack 
>>>>>> Script
>>>>>> 10:57:23 AM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in Stack 
>>>>>> Script
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks to Mark Smith and Henry Lowe, I know that I’m supposed to set up 
>>>>>>> mergNotify for two notifications as below.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I believe I’ve done this, and I’ve set a monitoring action (putting a 
>>>>>>> text into a field) to show that these notifications have happened.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Of course it may be just me, but so far, I only seem to get the 
>>>>>>> notification when the app comes back into the foreground (so logically 
>>>>>>> it must have gone the background first),  but I just don’t get the 
>>>>>>> ‘going in to the background' notification, or at least my monitoring 
>>>>>>> doesn’t work.  Is there some trick of timing that I’ve missed?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 17 Nov 2020, at 20:07, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode 
>>>>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On iOS use mergNotify as below. Works well for me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> on openStack
>>>>>>>> mergNotify "UIAppl

Re: iOS notification app goes into background doesn't seem to work

2020-11-22 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Hi Graham,

So, apparently not 100% accurate but here are the results of some late hour 
testing yesterday (I was also interested in evaluating something I needed to 
occur around the time the date changed, hence the late hour testing.). But as 
you can see, I had 3 ResignActiveNotifications before the first DidBecomeActive 
occurred. 

2:33:58 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS

11:22:40 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS

11:25:50 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS

11:33:19 PM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in SS

11:33:26 PM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS

1:21:48 AM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in SS

1:29:38 AM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in SS



> On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:33 PM, Mark Smith  wrote:
> 
> Graham, I think there might be a problem. I just re-enabled this code in one 
> of my applications and the only thing I am seeing is the 
> WillResignActiveNotification message, and not the DidBecomeActiveNotification 
> message. Odd also because it is the exact opposite of what you are seeing, so 
> we are both seeing half of the story, just not the same half :) I’ll keep it 
> enabled and see if I can spot any patterns. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Mark
>> 
>> I tried exactly your suggestion. For me, the second notification appears 
>> exactly as you say, but the first one doesn’t. It’s likely that I made a 
>> silly mistake but I can’t see what it is. I put other stuff in the log, so 
>> it’s not just a case of the text being overwritten. Obviously the app does 
>> go into the background, since it is detected coming back to the foreground. 
>> This test was on the Xcode simulator, but I got essentially the same results 
>> on a real iPhone.
>> 
>> Strange.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 Nov 2020, at 17:21, Mark Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Graham, you can put something like the following in your handlers and 
>>> then check the log file to see when they were activated.  If you're using 
>>> Xcode you can download your “sandbox”  to your device. You’ll find the log 
>>> file in there. 
>>> put the long time && "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected" & 
>>> return after url ("file:" & specialFolderPath("documents") & "/log.txt")
>>> 
>>> for example…
>>> 
>>> 10:39:05 AM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in Stack 
>>> Script
>>> 10:57:23 AM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in Stack 
>>> Script
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to Mark Smith and Henry Lowe, I know that I’m supposed to set up 
>>>> mergNotify for two notifications as below.
>>>> 
>>>> I believe I’ve done this, and I’ve set a monitoring action (putting a text 
>>>> into a field) to show that these notifications have happened.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course it may be just me, but so far, I only seem to get the 
>>>> notification when the app comes back into the foreground (so logically it 
>>>> must have gone the background first),  but I just don’t get the ‘going in 
>>>> to the background' notification, or at least my monitoring doesn’t work.  
>>>> Is there some trick of timing that I’ve missed?
>>>> 
>>>> Graham
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 Nov 2020, at 20:07, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode 
>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On iOS use mergNotify as below. Works well for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> on openStack
>>>>> mergNotify "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification"
>>>>> mergNotify "UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification"
>>>>> end openStack
>>>>> 
>>>>> on UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification pUserInfo
>>>>> // Your code before the app goes to background
>>>>> -- your code here to handle going to the background
>>>>> end UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification
>>>>> 
>>>>&g

Re: iOS notification app goes into background doesn't seem to work

2020-11-21 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Graham, I think there might be a problem. I just re-enabled this code in one of 
my applications and the only thing I am seeing is the 
WillResignActiveNotification message, and not the DidBecomeActiveNotification 
message. Odd also because it is the exact opposite of what you are seeing, so 
we are both seeing half of the story, just not the same half :) I’ll keep it 
enabled and see if I can spot any patterns. 

Mark


> On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mark
> 
> I tried exactly your suggestion. For me, the second notification appears 
> exactly as you say, but the first one doesn’t. It’s likely that I made a 
> silly mistake but I can’t see what it is. I put other stuff in the log, so 
> it’s not just a case of the text being overwritten. Obviously the app does go 
> into the background, since it is detected coming back to the foreground. This 
> test was on the Xcode simulator, but I got essentially the same results on a 
> real iPhone.
> 
> Strange.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2020, at 17:21, Mark Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham, you can put something like the following in your handlers and 
>> then check the log file to see when they were activated.  If you're using 
>> Xcode you can download your “sandbox”  to your device. You’ll find the log 
>> file in there. 
>> put the long time && "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected" & 
>> return after url ("file:" & specialFolderPath("documents") & "/log.txt")
>> 
>> for example…
>> 
>> 10:39:05 AM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in Stack 
>> Script
>> 10:57:23 AM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in Stack Script
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to Mark Smith and Henry Lowe, I know that I’m supposed to set up 
>>> mergNotify for two notifications as below.
>>> 
>>> I believe I’ve done this, and I’ve set a monitoring action (putting a text 
>>> into a field) to show that these notifications have happened.
>>> 
>>> Of course it may be just me, but so far, I only seem to get the 
>>> notification when the app comes back into the foreground (so logically it 
>>> must have gone the background first),  but I just don’t get the ‘going in 
>>> to the background' notification, or at least my monitoring doesn’t work.  
>>> Is there some trick of timing that I’ve missed?
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 17 Nov 2020, at 20:07, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode 
>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On iOS use mergNotify as below. Works well for me.
>>>> 
>>>> on openStack
>>>> mergNotify "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification"
>>>> mergNotify "UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification"
>>>> end openStack
>>>> 
>>>> on UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification pUserInfo
>>>> // Your code before the app goes to background
>>>> -- your code here to handle going to the background
>>>> end UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification
>>>> 
>>>> on UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification pUserInfo
>>>> // Your code after the app comes back to foreground
>>>> -- your code here to handle your app becoming active
>>>> end UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification
>>>> 
>>>> Henry
>>> 
>>>> On 17 Nov 2020, at 23:39, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And just a reminder that, under iOS, you’ll have to register to receive a 
>>>> “ UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification” message, and then write a 
>>>> handler to respond to that (PS only register once in your stack script — I 
>>>> learned the hard way). It’s documented under mergNotify in the dictionary 
>>>> (with credit to Elanor for pointing this out to me when my “on 
>>>> shutdownRequest” handlers were being ignored). 
>>>> 
>>>> Jacque, I believe this is what you are looking for to be notified when you 
>>>> go into the background. I do some db cleanup at that time and it seems to 
>>>> work.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
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Re: iOS notification app goes into background doesn't seem to work

2020-11-20 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Hi Graham, you can put something like the following in your handlers and then 
check the log file to see when they were activated.  If you're using Xcode you 
can download your “sandbox”  to your device. You’ll find the log file in there. 
put the long time && "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected" & 
return after url ("file:" & specialFolderPath("documents") & "/log.txt")

for example…

10:39:05 AM UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification detected in Stack Script
10:57:23 AM UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification detected in Stack Script




> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Mark Smith and Henry Lowe, I know that I’m supposed to set up 
> mergNotify for two notifications as below.
> 
> I believe I’ve done this, and I’ve set a monitoring action (putting a text 
> into a field) to show that these notifications have happened.
> 
> Of course it may be just me, but so far, I only seem to get the notification 
> when the app comes back into the foreground (so logically it must have gone 
> the background first),  but I just don’t get the ‘going in to the background' 
> notification, or at least my monitoring doesn’t work.  Is there some trick of 
> timing that I’ve missed?
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2020, at 20:07, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On iOS use mergNotify as below. Works well for me.
>> 
>> on openStack
>> mergNotify "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification"
>> mergNotify "UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification"
>> end openStack
>> 
>> on UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification pUserInfo
>> // Your code before the app goes to background
>> -- your code here to handle going to the background
>> end UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification
>> 
>> on UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification pUserInfo
>> // Your code after the app comes back to foreground
>> -- your code here to handle your app becoming active
>> end UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification
>> 
>> Henry
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2020, at 23:39, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And just a reminder that, under iOS, you’ll have to register to receive a “ 
>> UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification” message, and then write a handler 
>> to respond to that (PS only register once in your stack script — I learned 
>> the hard way). It’s documented under mergNotify in the dictionary (with 
>> credit to Elanor for pointing this out to me when my “on shutdownRequest” 
>> handlers were being ignored). 
>> 
>> Jacque, I believe this is what you are looking for to be notified when you 
>> go into the background. I do some db cleanup at that time and it seems to 
>> work.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Suspend in iOS, or when is a mobile app running?

2020-11-17 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
And just a reminder that, under iOS, you’ll have to register to receive a “ 
UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification” message, and then write a handler to 
respond to that (PS only register once in your stack script — I learned the 
hard way). It’s documented under mergNotify in the dictionary (with credit to 
Elanor for pointing this out to me when my “on shutdownRequest” handlers were 
being ignored). 

Jacque, I believe this is what you are looking for to be notified when you go 
into the background. I do some db cleanup at that time and it seems to work.

Mark


> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:54 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Android has always acted like this and now that iOS apps run in the 
> background like Android does, it behaves the same way. At least our problems 
> are cross-platform now.
> 
> An app will stay in RAM until the user specifically quits or until the OS 
> needs the memory. When that happens, the OS wipes the app and it effectively 
> shuts down. We get no warning, except for a shutDown message. Android 
> recommends we store the last state of the app and restore it when it starts 
> up again.
> 
> I'd love to get a message when the app goes into the background but so far 
> there is none. Storing every little change as it happens seems tedious and 
> wasteful. I haven't had much luck with storing changes on shutdown but it's 
> worth a try, it's been a while since I did it.
> 
> --
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> On November 17, 2020 9:27:50 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry if this is documented somewhere but I can’t find it.
>> 
>> On desktop platforms, LC gives us “suspend” which is fired when the app goes 
>> into the background. I seem to be having some problems with iOS, in that 
>> when the screen locks (triggered by  user action or a time limit), my app 
>> seems to stop getting messages from the OS, so is in some sense suspended. 
>> This seems to call for something like “suspend” for mobiles. Does such a 
>> message exist?
>> 
>> Another thing that happens with iOS apps that use Location Services is that 
>> the user is sometimes asked via a popu-up on the screen of the device 
>> whether the app should be allowed to use these services when it’s not 
>> running. I don’t know what triggers these user messages, nor am exactly 
>> certain what ‘not running’ means - presumably if the app has been properly 
>> quit, that’s something other than ‘not running’. In the Standalone Settings 
>> for mobile, one can set Location Services as being a requirement, but there 
>> doesn’t seem to be a setting corresponding to this user choice.
>> 
>> Has anyone a clear understanding of all this? I would love to see an 
>> explanation.
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
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Re: Need to track click on a MacStatusMenu without menu items

2020-11-02 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Can I just add, that “fresh pasta” comment made my day :)

Thank you

> On Nov 2, 2020, at 12:03 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Monte,
> 
> thanks for responding and assuming that it might be possible with adjustments 
> to the source code.
> 
> Regarding Livecode Builder, i am afraid i am a hopeless case. ;) 
> Tried so many times to follow the widget course and other resources, but it 
> seems i will never understand that stuff completely. I was even able to 
> adjust  the source code of the clock widget to disable the day/night color 
> switch.  But as soon as ObjectC is involved i am lost. 
> 
> Anyway, one doesn't have to be able to do everything. 
> Hey, i am very good in making fresh pasta. Okay that doesn't help me here. ;) 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> Matthias
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 02.11.2020 um 10:07 schrieb Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Matthias
>> 
>> It would be possible to add to the library I think. Should just be a matter 
>> of setting an action which posts a callback on the button of the 
>> NSStatusItem. If you want to have a play the library is open source ;-)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Monte
>> 
>>> On 2 Nov 2020, at 4:09 am, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> i am currently working on a Mac OS app which makes use of the MacStatusMenu 
>>> Library.
>>> Now i need a way to track a click on a Mac Status Menu icon which does not 
>>> have any menu items.
>>> 
>>> Is this somehow possible?
>>> 
>>> Currently i am only able to track the click of a menu item of a Mac Status 
>>> Menu.
>>> But if no menu item is set and i click directly on the status menu icon, i 
>>> do not get anything back.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: In Praise of TROZ

2020-10-24 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Nice tribute to Sarah’s work Graham. I made use of her Calendar app for many 
years. 

> On Oct 24, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Struggling for the first time in years with using XML in LC, I dug out Sarah 
> Reichelt’s XML tutorial. Although as far as I know, Sarah moved away from LC 
> long ago (when it was still Revolution), this seems to me the most 
> comprehensive explanation of the XML library we have.
> 
> Sarah still appears as TrozWare and still develops apps for the Mac,and 
> writes tutorials, for example for the Mac Swift system. That’s all I know 
> about her - but she left us a legacy that I for one still appreciate!
> 
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Re: Can't edit scripts in DataGrid group in Windows 10

2020-10-23 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
I put code in the dg script. It works fine. But to be clear, I only have 8 
lines in my script so I’ve never tested the limits. 

mark


> On Oct 22, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Maybe this is not good practice but I have DataGrids with script in the group 
> that contains the DataGrid in addition to the behaviour script of the 
> DataGrid.   So to edit the script in the DataGrid group I just select the 
> Datagrid group I right click on the DataGrid and select the ‘Edit Script’ 
> menu item.   
> 
> This works fine on the mac.I just tried this on Windows 10 with LiveCode 
> 9.6 and when I try to open the same DataGrid following the same process the 
> script editor opens but it does not load the script.  In fact LiveCode 
> becomes unresponsive. The script editor dims as if disabled and the cursor 
> when hovering over the script editor or any other LiveCode windows  is the 
> hour glass cursor.
> 
> If I click on the ‘x’ to close the LiveCode project I get the dialog that 
> says.
> 
>LiveCode for Windows is not responding
>If you close the program, you might lose information.
>—>Close the Program
>—>Wait for the program to respond.
> 
> Eventually I just select ‘Close the program’ since the program never responds.
> 
> I created a test stack with just a DataGrid on it and a button and opened the 
> group script and was able to add a handler and then save it and reopen it so 
> it does work in a simple scenario.
> 
> In my application I have two dataGrids that have code in the group script.  
> On has 290 lines the other has about 480 lines.   So it seems the longer code 
> is a contributing factor.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this?  
> 
> It the problem that you are not supposed to have script in the DataGrid’ 
> Group script and rather put it all in the DataGrid's behaviour?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Martin Koob
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Bug: jumping stack windows (when supress messages is off)

2020-10-13 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Thanks David, very kind of you to offer. Could we schedule for next week (or 
the one after)? I’m also in a bit of a crunch week myself so next week or after 
would work out better for me as well. 

Cheers,
Mark

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 12:34 PM, David Bovill  wrote:
> 
> Sure Mark. This week I’m doing a sprint on this topic - finishing on Sunday. 
> As part of that work I’ll be recording more videos in Livecode and will post 
> them next week together with some documentation. If you want a quick touch 
> base before that I’d be happy to do a Zoom and do a show / tell.
> On 11 Oct 2020, 11:37 +0100, Mark Smith , wrote:
>> Completely off-topic, but could you post a brief description of how you made 
>> that video David (or send me a PM)? I have to do something similar in the 
>> near future and it would be good to know what kit/software you recorded with.
>> 
>> Cheers and thanks,
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2020, at 3:18 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is a video describing the bug - or at least I am assuming it is a bug. 
>>> Very curious to see if anyone else is experiencing this issue:
>>> 
>>> • https://vimeo.com/466580164
>>> 
>>> On 9 Oct 2020, 14:48 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
 I’m getting pretty curious about this bug :)
 
 Testing mouse clicks- and not stacks jumping position when moving their 
 location - I find that a stack that is successfully moved between the four 
 quadrants of the screen - accepts mouse clicks accurately in the 
 bottom-left, top-right and bottom right quadrants - but in the top-eft 
 quadrant the mouse-click interactions are offset vertically in a way that 
 is compatible with the stack jump. So if you manage to locate the. Stack 
 without it jumping - in the top-left quadrant the mouse clicks are off.
 
 Monitor settings are set for default value of the MacBook Pro display. I 
 think I’ll make a short video of this behaviour.
 On 9 Oct 2020, 14:35 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
> Also tested on Livecode 8.1.5 with same results.
> On 9 Oct 2020, 14:00 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
>> 
>> Windows intermittently jump to a location on the screen when I move 
>> windows. It’s got too annoying to ignore.
>> 
>> • Is anyone else having this problem?
>> 
>> I am testing this on Mojave and Livecode 9.6.1 rc2. I am testing this 
>> without any of my own code such just was IDE stacks. This I “think” is 
>> quite a long standing bug that I suspect is related to the global 
>> coordinate system as I have been working around this for quite a while 
>> now.
>> 
>> 
>> Detail
>> The location of the jump seems to be the same horizontal x location. But 
>> with the vertical value being reset to the halfway point.
>> 
>> I am testing by. Simply moving the message box. It is intermittent - so 
>> occurring about once every 5 moves, and strangely is happening only when 
>> the top left of the stack window is within the top left quadrant of the 
>> screen. Using. The following code int eh message box I find the top of 
>> the message box stack is always 492 after a jump (see below). This 
>> appears to be related to half the screen less the decorations like menu?
>>> > > > put the screenrect & CR & the rect of stack” Message box"
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 0,0,1680,1050
>>> > > > 215,492,634,640
>> 
>> As a further indication that the problem is due to the IDE, I find that 
>> creating a test stack (no scripts or controls) exhibits the same 
>> behaviour - but this behaviour can be suppressed by choosing “Suppress 
>> Messages” from the “Development” menu. This suppression has no effect on 
>> the message box or other IDE windows which still jump intermittently.
>> 
>> The problem is most intense when working with multiple screens. For at 
>> least a couple of years stacks I create and place on second or third 
>> monitors receive mouse clicks in the wrong location. This happens on 
>> different machines, and different. Monitor setups. Only tested on Macs.
>> 
>> I am currently creating a multiscreen app - so taking the tracking down. 
>> Of this bug more seriously. The current tests are one on my laptop 
>> without external monitors, and having restarted the computer (several 
>> times). Applications other than Livecode don’t suffer this problem.
>> 
>> How should I report this bug - should I submit a video / screen 
>> recording?
>> 
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Re: Bug: jumping stack windows (when supress messages is off)

2020-10-11 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Completely off-topic, but could you post a brief description of how you made 
that video David (or send me a PM)? I have to do something similar in the near 
future and it would be good to know what kit/software you recorded with. 

Cheers and thanks,
Mark

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 3:18 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is a video describing the bug - or at least I am assuming it is a bug. 
> Very curious to see if anyone else is experiencing this issue:
> 
> • https://vimeo.com/466580164
> 
> On 9 Oct 2020, 14:48 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
>> I’m getting pretty curious about this bug :)
>> 
>> Testing  mouse clicks- and not stacks jumping position when moving their 
>> location - I find that a stack that is successfully moved between the four 
>> quadrants of the screen - accepts mouse clicks accurately in the 
>> bottom-left, top-right and bottom right quadrants - but in the top-eft 
>> quadrant the mouse-click interactions are offset vertically in a way that is 
>> compatible with the stack jump. So if you manage to locate the. Stack 
>> without it jumping - in the top-left quadrant the mouse clicks are off.
>> 
>> Monitor settings are set for default value of the MacBook Pro display. I 
>> think I’ll make a short video of this behaviour.
>> On 9 Oct 2020, 14:35 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
>>> Also tested on Livecode 8.1.5 with same results.
>>> On 9 Oct 2020, 14:00 +0100, David Bovill , wrote:
 
 Windows intermittently jump to a location on the screen when I move 
 windows. It’s got too annoying to ignore.
 
 • Is anyone else having this problem?
 
 I am testing this on Mojave and Livecode 9.6.1 rc2. I am testing this 
 without any of my own code such just was IDE stacks. This I “think” is 
 quite a long standing bug that I suspect is related to the global 
 coordinate system as I have been working around this for quite a while now.
 
 
 Detail
 The location of the jump seems to be the same horizontal x location. But 
 with the vertical value being reset to the halfway point.
 
 I am testing by. Simply moving the message box. It is intermittent - so 
 occurring about once every 5 moves, and strangely is happening only when 
 the top left of the stack window is within the top left quadrant of the 
 screen. Using. The following code int eh message box I find the top of the 
 message box stack is always 492 after a jump (see below). This appears to 
 be related to half the screen less the decorations like menu?
>   > > > put the screenrect & CR & the rect of stack” Message box"
>   > > >
>   > > > 0,0,1680,1050
>   > > > 215,492,634,640
 
 As a further indication that the problem is due to the IDE, I find that 
 creating a test stack (no scripts or controls) exhibits the same behaviour 
 - but this behaviour can be suppressed by choosing “Suppress Messages” 
 from the “Development” menu. This suppression has no effect on the message 
 box or other IDE windows which still jump intermittently.
 
 The problem is most intense when working with multiple screens. For at 
 least a couple of years stacks I create and place on second or third 
 monitors receive mouse clicks in the wrong location. This happens on 
 different machines, and different. Monitor setups. Only tested on Macs.
 
 I am currently creating a multiscreen app - so taking the tracking down. 
 Of this bug more seriously. The current tests are one on my laptop without 
 external monitors, and having restarted the computer (several times). 
 Applications other than Livecode don’t suffer this problem.
 
 How should I report this bug - should I submit a video / screen recording?
 
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Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions

2020-08-28 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Is there not a way to just disable the scrollbar (hide it?) and still have 
scrolling enabled? I am trying to do something similar in iOS and thought I 
would try:

set the dgprop["show vscrollbar"] of group "Datagrid 1" to false
set the dgProp["scroll when vscrollbar is hidden"] of group "DataGrid 1" to true

And while it worked as desired in the development environment and when 
compiling to macOS (by hiding the scrollbar and allowing swipes to scroll the 
list), when compiled to iOS no scrolling was possible at all?

Mark
 

> On Aug 27, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>Previously, a data grid's mobile scroller was getting in the way of
>reorder and swipe actions.

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Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.

2020-07-16 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Yes, big congrats to everyone; contributors and fund raisers alike . Quite a 
feat. I look forward to exciting new developments.

Mark


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Another successful campaign — 100% funded.   Congrats to Kevin and all the 
> folks at LiveCode and thanks to all the fellow members of the community who 
> chipped in to reach the goal.
> 
> We always seem to make it at the end of these campaigns..  It is like and 
> auction and it seems there are a number of people who stand at the sidelines 
> till the last few days and then the serious bidding starts, people get 
> excited and may end up buying a thing or two they hadn’t intended to to see 
> it go over the edge.  Always an interesting phenomenon to watch from this 
> side.  I wonder if this is unique to the LiveCode community.   It would be an 
> interesting study for some graduate student in business or psychology.
> 
> Martin Koob
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Thanks for the update Andre, I have the book and am looking forward to some 
good reads 

Mark

> On Jul 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your detailed responses. Since you have all been quite
> awesome in giving me all these great replies and feedback, let me tell you,
> in probably more details than you'd ever want, where I am coming from and
> what I plan to do going forward.
> 
> Many here know that I have graduated from a film school. Doing videos feel
> like going home for me and I believe in the potential of multimedia to be
> an effective learning tool. Still, I have always been in love with books
> and like many here I favour books over video any time. I was considering
> doing more video related content because other people I know are having a
> better return on video courses than on books. Of course this depends on the
> community and here books appear to rule, which is good for me because I
> enjoy writing books and that is the direction I want to shift my career to
> anyway.
> 
> I have just completed a major JavaScript book for a famous publishing house
> in the U.S. and am ready to go back to self-publishing and work on my own
> titles on my own time. The book I made about LiveCode best practices and
> code organisation was well received and even though I have issued some
> updates, I haven't updated as often as I wanted to. The reason behind not
> updating often is because of some of the worst aspects of capitalism:
> updating the book didn't really add to the sales figures and I live in a
> very expensive city (I live in London now). Every time I updated the book
> there would be some extra sales, but not as many as to justify working on
> it. The alternative would be to raise the prices so that each sale would be
> more valuable to me but I'm against it because I think the price should
> reflect the value of the object being sold. That book has been done without
> an editor and in a hurry, I can't charge as much for it as I'd charge for a
> book that involved more professionals and more care. I think the price for
> that specific book is right.
> 
> So, going forward I think I am going to write more books but also shorter
> books. There is a problem with trying to create comprehensive references or
> bible-like books. They are harder to do and you sell them only once. Our
> community is small, there is a limited amount of sales to be done inside
> it. What I will do is create shorter books focused on a single topic and
> sell them individually for a low price so that people can acquire them all
> without actually having to worry. This way I can produce books faster
> (which lowers the cost of producing them for me) and you get to have fresh
> content, which is something that we all know a healthy ecosystem needs. I
> might make some short videos, but mostly for engagement and highlighting
> cool stuff. Video takes longer to produce and unfortunately my current
> daily driver machine doesn't support any decent video editor.
> 
> As for using stacks as interactive learning material, that reminds me of
> Director. I think it is a great idea. The problem is that I am writing
> about other technologies as well and I can't build a pipeline and tools to
> deliver stacks (even as standalones) to the other communities at the
> moment. I might explore that in the future but for now doing ebooks is the
> best way forward. It is easy, I know how to do it, and I can focus on doing
> content instead of building new tools.
> 
> For those that haven't been exposed to my best practices book, you can find
> it at:
> 
> http://andregarzia.com/books/livecode-advanced-application-architecture.html
> 
> I have also created a Ko-fi. This is a website like Patreon that helps
> connect audiences with creators by allowing people to donate money as a one
> time donation or as a recurring donation depending on how much they want to
> support the creator. My plan is to engage with those supporting me on
> ko-fi, and let them see advanced copies of the books, help decide what the
> next topics to tackle and so on. Another thing I like about ko-fi is that
> they style the whole process as "buy me a coffee", so you're basically
> sending creator small donations so they can afford caffeine. Something I
> really need to write books. I will price the books low, so if you think
> about sending more money or making this more sustainable, my Ko-fi is at:
> 
> https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia
> 
> From what I have been reading on the list, I think there is a need for a
> small book on "launchers" or as we used to call them "splash stacks". They
> are a fantastic way to deploy tools to the enterprise and clients, they
> unite the easy deployability of the web with the powerful feature set of
> Desktop apps. More seasoned LC developers, especially those that worked as
> ISV before the App Store, are probably familiar with them but this is
> probably a new subject to 

Re: Lost contact

2020-06-02 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Interesting. I’m not on your list, and I did not get an email from you 
yesterday, but I did receive this email. 

M


> On Jun 2, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm getting bounced emails from the following people.
> If you see your name on this list and you *didn't* get an email from me 
> yesterday, can you send me an email? Thanks.
> 
> Zac Brewer
> Ed Cawley
> Keith Clarke
> Neil Davis
> Andre Garzia
> Robert Glassman
> Dave Kilroy
> Tao Meng
> Warren Samples
> Harald Schlager
> Tereza Snyder
> Chipp Walters
> 
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> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
I like that, jokes, puzzles, movies, any form of entertainment to help pass the 
time. I think if I were quarantined for 14 days, I’d start writing a best 
seller :)


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 14 day devotional? Daily quarantine tips? Daily jokes? ...
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What would it be designed to help you with?
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
>>>>> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
>>>>> minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional 
>>>>> contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
>>>>> only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
>>>>> questions. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
>>>>>> apps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
>>>>>>> Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in 
>>>>>>> an app that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think 
>>>>>>> emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would be something that 
>>>>>>> would be an important aspect and a strong point with regard to adding 
>>>>>>> to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
>>>>>>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>>>>> , wrote:
>>>>>>>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
>>>>>>>> needs an app.
>>>>>>>> co...@4catalyzer.com <mailto:co...@4catalyzer.com>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and 
>>>>>>>> go in one's own direction?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, 
>>>>>>>> so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>>>> team COVID Watch
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
What would it be designed to help you with?

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
>> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" 
>> checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional contact 
>> tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
>> 
>> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
>> only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
>> questions. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
>>> apps.
>>> 
>>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
 initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app 
 that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising 
 in the story telling privacy issues would be something that would be an 
 important aspect and a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - 
 rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
 On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 , wrote:
> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
> 
> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs 
> an app.
> co...@4catalyzer.com 
> 
> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go 
> in one's own direction?
> 
> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so 
> if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
> 
> Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-09 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Happy to contribute as well. 

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. Anyone 
> else?
> On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Hi, everybody!
>> 
>> I apologize for the drive-by email.
>> 
>> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that.
>> 
>> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of COVID-19 
>> containment.
>> 
>> There are several teams out there working on voluntary privacy-protecting 
>> contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother mandates some central DB 
>> app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, Private Watch Safe Paths, and 
>> others. Most have already started and are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe 
>> Paths has something out. However, there might be some room in creating some 
>> instant apps in LiveCode or in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams 
>> are just getting started and need something fast. I think we need some 
>> education apps done quickly.
>> 
>> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development.
>> 
>> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team.
>> 
>> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving 
>> contact tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I mentioned.
>> 
>> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I said, 
>> "Drive by email".
>> 
>> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!"
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19..
>> 
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Re: Where LiveCode is Now

2019-10-03 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Yes, most certainly agreed

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> For my part I love what you guys do. As I've mentioned before, Livecode has 
> upped my value to my employer, as they see that I am capable of more than 
> what they hider me to do. It may even have been responsible for a couple 
> raises in the recent past. 
> 
> Also as I have mentioned before, I have never seen a company so responsive to 
> it's users, and also so transparent. We have people *actually* involved in 
> the development process come on list and tell us what they are doing and 
> planning. Seriously, you guys do not get enough credit for how hard you work. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 09:25 , Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear List Folks,
>> 
>> I'd like to reassure you, the team is anything but idle, and the fruits of 
>> their labours are coming your way. I don't wish to steal Pano's thunder, but 
>> you should look for an announcement on 9.0.5 tomorrow (all being well with 
>> the build, which is currently undergoing final checks. Probably I've just 
>> jinxed it by mentioning a release date, in direct contravention of my 
>> rules.) 9.0.5 has had a fix shoehorned into it for the nasty debugger 
>> crashing that was reported not long ago.
>> 
>> 9.5.1 is well under way and shouldn't be long now, bringing the needed 
>> updates for iOS among other things. I'm not going to even hint at a release 
>> date of next week for this, its certain to cause a #fail.
>> 
>> 9.6 is in progress with some nice new features and a first dp is not far 
>> off. Real Soon Now :).
>> 
>> Yes, it has taken a little longer than usual between releases. A major 
>> reason for this was the server move, which impacted our build bots and 
>> delayed all test builds. Frustrating, but necessary work, and thankfully 
>> that is all done now and everything is working smoothly again. One does not 
>> appreciate the full complexity of these build bots until one attempts to 
>> move them intact from one place to another.
>> 
>> The suggestion that all our efforts will remain with LCFM Native and never 
>> bear fruit for LiveCode itself is based on a misconception, an idea that 
>> somehow we are working on something other than LiveCode. We're not. 
>> Everything we are building for LCFM Native is built with LiveCode. We cannot 
>> do it without improving LiveCode. Those improvements will come back to the 
>> community (many already have). Hermann... its not an infinite effort. 
>> FileMaker is very much a finite set of code, with relatively slow changes. 
>> 
>> I hope you will like 9.0.5, 9.5.1 and 9.6, we're looking forward to bringing 
>> them to you. 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
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Re: Stacks and Sub Stacks

2019-09-25 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Do you ever have to call a substack from a main stack? If you do, do you have 
to preface the handler with a substack reference or does LC know where to look? 
Can you have 2 handlers by the same name in different sub stacks? How about in 
the main stack and a substack (that would really get confusing). Any 
recommendations on what NOT to put in a substack?

Thanks
Mark

> On Sep 25, 2019, at 2:54 PM, dunbarx--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> You probably mean script-only stacks.
> Substacks are just stacks, but they live in the same file as the mainStack. 
> It helps with organization, and when you save one, you save them all. You can 
> only have one mainStack, but as many subStacks as you like.
> For me, I have projects that use substacks for, say, data entry. The subStack 
> is built just for that purpose.
> When making a standalone, substacks are included in the final package.
> Just practice a bit. 
> Craig
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Roza via use-livecode 
> To: use-livecode 
> Cc: Patrick Roza 
> Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2019 9:18 am
> Subject: Stacks and Sub Stacks
> 
> Looking for some good examples of the Main stack used with sub stacks.
> Looking for best practices on usage. Also using text-only stacks.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Patrick
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Re: Mac app code signing for beginners

2018-04-29 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Hi Bill, reading your message I thought for a second it was something I had
written myself. You stole the words out of my mouth. Always challenging,
never seems repeatable the same way twice. Eventually i figure it out but
there are so many steps (and missteps) that I never feel like i have
critical path down straight. Hugely frustrating and wish Apple would fix it
so that's it about 100 times easier. And why can't I have one file, just
one, that i use to code sign apps from now till eternity? Why do they need
to expire at all?

Mark



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Re: OpenLanguage: abstract syntax trees

2018-04-28 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Sign me up :)



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Re: Mac app code signing for beginners

2018-04-28 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
graham, do your apps expire and need resigning after a year?



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Re: [Blog] Infinite LiveCode Progress

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Speaking of Infinite, I have been asked to upgrade an older iPad product
(which was developed in 5.0) and I thought while I am in there I would like
to tackle the issue of a native look and feel. Any progress on stretch goal
3 - a native field widget? If it is going to be ready in the next month or
two it probably is worth waiting for. If not, I'll just dive in with the old
UI and tackle this in another revision.

Thanks

Mark




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Re: IOS Provisioning Profile... again

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Thanks Mark. It's not the installation that is the problem - it's the fact
that the application stops working after a year then you have to get new
certificates, recompile, reinstall, etc. To parrot Donald Trump - "it's a
nightmare, a TOTAL disaster" :) (Just kidding). Its an inconvenience for me,
the developer. I don't think the client would be interested in changing
platforms for that. But maybe...

Mark




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Re: IOS Provisioning Profile... again

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Just a further question to this thread. Is it possible to deploy (without
going through the app store) and not have to renew the certificates every
year? It's a major bane to have to update these things all the time.

Thanks

Mark



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