Re: Decrypting (and encrypting) Large files

2022-05-10 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I don't think you're necessarily going to be limited by physical memory, as
the computer will have  a certain addressing space in VM, as well, right?

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 2:42 PM Craig Newman via use-livecode <
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> Ah, I see.
>
> I did not appreciate that the dataset could be in the many gigabytes.
>
> Craig
>
> > On May 9, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > there is no way to decrypt something that does not fit in memory. with 64
> > bit builds the limit is whatever the motherboard  supports.   on 32 bit
> > builds the limit is whatever the os will allow 1 process to have,
> > but then u need memory to store the decrypted data too.
> > you can use a command line program to outsource that work and memory
> > management.
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 9:44 AM Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I believe that there is no upper limit to the size of a variable in LC.
> So
> >> I am with Mike here. What makes you nervous about dealing with a large
> >> dataset within LC itself?
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>> On May 9, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> have you tried ti? i have not run into a situation where a variable was
> >> too
> >>> big.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 6:46 PM Mark Clark via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Wondering if anyone has used LiveCode for encrypting-decrypting large
> >>>> files? The docs typically have nice examples for files that can fit
> >> into a
> >>>> variable, but what are folks doing for big files that are larger than
> >> what
> >>>> you’d want in a variable? I’m thinking about using LC for decrypting
> zip
> >>>> compressed log files that can be multiple gigabytes in size. I’d like
> to
> >>>> use just LC vs. resorting to shell if possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> Likely need a hash value to compare the decrypted output against the
> >>>> original as well. I’m thinking some variation along the lines of open
> >> file
> >>>> x for read, reading some manageable chunk into memory, decrypting a
> >>>> portion, writing that to disk and repeat. But that seems too simple.
> >> Think
> >>>> we need AES 256. Any shared experience much appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
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Re: Zip file problem on Mac

2022-05-09 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
completely off-topic, but brian said something that i forgot to repeat, at
the time
access to source in the libraries, etc. has saved me a lot of time when
debugging.
i ran into a situation with one of the other libraries, a couple of weeks
ago. i was stumped, and thought about submitting a ts request or a bug
report, but being able to read through and step through the source helped
me solve the problem.

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 2:23 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi Brian,
>
> > Am 08.05.2022 um 20:19 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I imagine this one isn’t documented due to the issues where you can’t
> read properties from an existing zip file.  I think I found it when digging
> into the source.
> > I’m sure there are some that could be found by looking at the source
> code that is still available.
>
> I bet there are, but surely won't take a look... 8-)
>
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 8, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
>  Am 08.05.2022 um 03:18 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > On 8 May 2022, at 2:00 am, Brian Milby wrote:
>  It is a bug somewhere. See this big report:
>  https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21447 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21447>
>  I actually think it is related. The zip should be created as a Unix
> variant and not Fat and file attributes should be stored. One thing that
> could be tried is to manually set the executable bit when creating the
> archive. I was able to store a link in a zip using this method, but there
> is no way to read the file attributes in LC.
> >>> Brian, utter genius!
> >>> Not only do you pinpoint the bug — revZip is creating a ‘fat’ zip not
> a ‘unx’ zip and not adding the external attributes – but it looks like you
> have provided the workaround (for my problem of execute permissions at
> least)
> >>> I tried the implausible trick of using the undocumented
> revZipSetItemAttributes
> >>> put 0x8000 into tExtAttributes -- regular file
> >>> add 0x01ED to tExtAttributes -- rwxrwxr-x -- modify as per file
> (and may only do for Mac,Linux?)
> >>> revZipSetItemAttributes pArchive, pName, 3, tExtAttributes  — 3 for
> unix system
> >>> for each file as it is added to the archive. I didn’t really expect
> this to work as the file is already added to the archive in ‘fat’ format.
> >>> Not only does unzip -Z report that the archive items are now in ‘unx’
> format with permissions rwxrwxr-x, but astonishingly the zip actually
> decompresses to a working executable – well, only so far briefly tested on
> a Mac but it seems likely this is going to work on all platforms.
> >>> As you point out in your bug 21447 report, revZip probably won’t be
> able to decompress the archive correctly because of other deficiencies, but
> I only need the user's system to unpack it. And I will have to modify the
> permissions for each individual file in the archive.
> >>> I never thought I would use the expression, but, like , awesome! OK
> sorry I went there, but jolly well done, that man!
> >>>
> >>> Neville
> >>
> >> I really wonder how much more useful features are undocumented and why
> they do not find their way into the dictionary!?
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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Re: Decrypting (and encrypting) Large files

2022-05-09 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
have you tried ti? i have not run into a situation where a variable was too
big.

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 6:46 PM Mark Clark via use-livecode <
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> Wondering if anyone has used LiveCode for encrypting-decrypting large
> files? The docs typically have nice examples for files that can fit into a
> variable, but what are folks doing for big files that are larger than what
> you’d want in a variable? I’m thinking about using LC for decrypting zip
> compressed log files that can be multiple gigabytes in size. I’d like to
> use just LC vs. resorting to shell if possible.
>
> Likely need a hash value to compare the decrypted output against the
> original as well. I’m thinking some variation along the lines of open file
> x for read, reading some manageable chunk into memory, decrypting a
> portion, writing that to disk and repeat. But that seems too simple. Think
> we need AES 256. Any shared experience much appreciated.
>
> Thanks all,
>
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Re: Anybody tried to import data to Quicken for Mac?

2022-05-06 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
why did you ask about another management program? what up?

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> Folks:
> I have a nasty accounting problem and need to somehow get data into
> Quicken (or perhaps find another management program). My question is
> whether it’s possible (or known) how to take csv data (easy) and convert to
> acceptable QIF form, which quicken requires.
>
> Best,
> Bill Prothero
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

2022-04-28 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
just a couple of thoughts from the whole two hours I was on for Monday:
* Cough up your $299 for LCG, today.
* This wasn't discussed, but there is supposed to be some fixing coming in
dp's of 10 for behaviors, especially nested behaviors
* The whole low-code piece...meh. It feels like they're chasing another
dead end.
* I heard some hints about discussion of some better object management and
handling. I hope that happens.
* Still nothing on dealing with the way groups are handled.

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> On 4/28/22 08:39, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > I was so impressed especially by the planned new features of LC that i
> subscribed right away to the upcoming  LC Global 22/23 which starts in May
> this year.
> > https://livecode.com/global/global2022/ <
> https://livecode.com/global/global2022/>
>
> Same here. I misjudged the time so I overslept and missed Mark
> Waddingham's keynote but I'll catch it on the rebound. I do think Appli
> gives LC what's been missing to draw in new users, so check out Mark
> Talluto's keynote on day 3 for the details. And I highly recommend Craig
> Newman's lightning talk.
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

2022-04-28 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I did, but I was hoping for some community comment, as well.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 10:15 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
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> Mike, check out the LC blog posts for summaries of Days 1 and 2, not sure
> if a day 3 will be posted (
> https://livecode.com/reporting-on-day-1-of-the-livecode-conference/).
>
> > On 28 Apr 2022, at 14:44, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
> > result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?
> >
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devcon 2022 recap

2022-04-28 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?

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Re: Single Window LC IDE?

2022-04-27 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
yeah, well, they not only discussed it, but they demo'd it, and seemed to
be amped about it, so i'm concerned.

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> tom tumbled,
>
> >I wouldn't worry that they will pigeon-hole the ide in that way.
> >That would be madness.
>
> Was it StarOffie 4 (or 5?) that shipped such madness?
>
> I recall it being *utterly* unusable, and staying with the prior version.
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Re: Single Window LC IDE?

2022-04-26 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'm with you, Craig. There has never been a good single-window IDE, ever.
I commented on this issue during the keynote. Kevin said that it would be
an option, but not mandatory.
If LC createss a browser-based IDE, which was discussed, it may be more
difficult to support multiple windows _in_that_workflow_, so I can
understand what they may be thinking about.

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> I didn't have a chance to ask follow up questions, but I recall Kevin
> saying they were headed towards "dockable windows", presumably meaning
> that all (or many) of the parts of the IDE can be docked into a single
> window view or undocked to separate windows (for example for people with
> multiple monitors doing desktop development. I have no idea if that
> includes the Script Editor, but I might expect that it would.
>
> On 4/26/2022 3:37 PM, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:
> > Saw this on Kevin's keynote.
> >
> > Some parts of having such a thing, as opposed to a sea of separate
> palettes, are attractive indeed.
> >
> > But one aspect would prevent me from EVER upgrading to v10, and that is
> if the SE also had to be incorporated into that single window. Anyone know
> if this is in fact planned?
> >
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Re: Pixel 5

2022-04-20 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I am on my second droid phone, and I agree, I probably could never go back
- but, for corporate app deployment and deployment, ios is happier place.

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> You don't know what you're missing. :) There's so little freedom over on
> the other side. I could never go back.
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> On April 16, 2022 10:07:48 PM doc hawk via use-livecode
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Re: CSV to TSV (was Re: Tools & techniques for one-off consolidation of multiple 'similar' CSV files?)

2022-04-05 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'm confused by the code, above. If you are using tab as your column
delimiter, then you wouldn't replace it with a space, since your tsv/csv
files would have tabs in them when they were exported, originally.
In any case, when you are going to replace a character with another
character, you should make sure that the character you are replacing it to
either a) does not have any special meaning (e.g. a delimiter) or b) if it
does have a special meaning that it does not appear in the data, already.
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Re: Tools & techniques for one-off consolidation of multiple 'similar' CSV files?

2022-04-04 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
keith,
are all the files structured the same way? are they all gathered in the
same place?
LC's big strength, IMHO, is text handling, so you're right in its
wheelhouse.
for the simplest example, let's assume that all the files have all the same
column layout and they're all in the same folder.
in that case, you would
* grab the list of files in the folder
* exclude files that shouldn't be included - maybe filter everything
that doesn't have a .csv suffix. you could do this during the loop, below,
or ahead of time.
* iterate through the files by reading each one, and appending the contents
to a variable/container (if you do this, don't forget to make sure that
when you append each file, the last line ends with a line delimiter)
* create a new file
* save the variable/container to the file

slightly more complicated: the layouts aren't the same
you can either:
* rearrange the columns upon reading the file or
* use something like an sqlite db and create a record for each row,
assigning the column in each record based on the column name in the csv
file,  or
* use a LC array, using the column names in the file as the keys of the
array.
* create a new file
* output the result of whichever of the three solutions you chose to the
new file.

both the easy and less-easy scenarios should take, i'm guessing, somewhere
between twenty and fifty lines of code, and are easy to implement. if you
have a couple hundred files, i think that the LC solution would be much
faster and easier to write, test, and run than the drag-and-drop solution.

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> Hi folks,
> I need to consolidate a couple of hundred CSV files of varying sizes
> (dozens to hundreds of rows) and column structures (some shared columns but
> many unique), into a single superset dataset that comprises all data from
> all files.
>
> There are too many files and columns to attempt a manual process, so in
> I’ve been trying to achieve this with LiveCode - by iterating through the
> files to parse the column header rows into into row template and column
> mapping arrays used to build the combined table. However, I'm struggling to
> both compile the superset and render the results.
>
> I feel I may be designing a very complicated solution for a problem that
> has probably been solved before. I wonder if I’m missing a simpler method -
> with LiveCode or perhaps with Excel or ‘drag & drop’ into some kind of
> self-organising database GUI for SQLite, etc?
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> Best,
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Re: Monterey + Dark Mode + LC 9.6.6

2022-03-09 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
throw up an issue and/or a pull request in the repo.

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> I think I found the issue. I use Levure to build my apps (great framework
> - you should try it!) and it uses a a customized plist file. I compared
> that to a plist file from a normally complied app and notice it has has
> parameter that is needed:
>
> NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance
> 
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> > On Mar 7, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Marty Knapp 
> wrote:
> >
> > I just had a customer send a screen shot of my app (built with LC 9.6.6)
> running on Mac Monterey in dark mode and buttons and fields are all messed
> up. I don’t use dark mode and so tried it on my Mac and see the issue. I
> then tried an app built with a previous version of LC (9.6.1 I believe) and
> it looks fine. Anybody else seeing this?
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Re: A question about the compiler to come

2022-03-07 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I have tried on several occasions to appreciate LCB, but I just don't, so,
being able to write widgets with LCS would be great. Maybe for tmc4,
because i don't think it will be in time for tmc3

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 1:16 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I also asked about building widgets from LC script. The response was, this
> could be a step along that path.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 4, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's nice that aCompileIt!/Double-XX replacement is finally coming to
> > LiveCode, maybe, but it is pretty expensive, at $499/year.
> > The old timers may remember both of those products, from Heizer Software,
> > allowed you to compile HyperCard stacks (and build XCMD's and XFCN's).
> > We will see how smooth the path will be. I did post $500, but I think it
> > will be a rocky transition.
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:19 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I meant to include link to this:
> >> https://livecode.com/script-compiler-project-page/
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:13 PM Tom Glod  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Sean, one the page for the compiler project and Kevin talks about
> the
> >>> nature of Livecode being interpreted . currently the script in
> memory
> >>> is just obfuscated, and a sufficiently motivated person or group of
> >> people
> >>> could eventually find what they want to find.  script passwords are
> >> useful
> >>> too, but also have their limit.
> >>>
> >>> "By compiling scripts fully, standalones become even more secure. We’ve
> >>> put a lot of work into making standalones secure at present but there
> are
> >>> still limitations on the existing approach that are fundamental to how
> an
> >>> interpreter like LiveCode operates. Compiled code does not leave any
> >> trace
> >>> of the original script text."
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 5:22 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Tom
> >>>> What security imp[lications do you perceive it to overcome?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sean
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 21:07, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Pardon my lingo  but this is f#%%ing huge Just last week, I
> >> was
> >>>>> thinking about the nature of livecode and that it comes with some
> >> pretty
> >>>>> profound security implications.
> >>>>> I'm sSuper happy to see this machine code compiler coming to
> livecode.
> >>>>> This is likely to directly influence the amount of sleep I get in
> this
> >>>>> upcoming decade of work :)
> >>>>> Great decision by the team to go ahead with this.
> >>>>> (y)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 3:03 PM Tom Glod  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Interesting.
> >>>>>> I cannot find  this email from Kevin, can someone please forward it
> >>>> to me
> >>>>>> or direct me to where I can read it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:10 AM Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> >>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> According to Kevin’s email:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Would this script compiler work on all platforms?
> >>>>>>> All platforms will benefit. Code will run faster and readable
> >> scripts
> >>>>>>> will be removed whatever platform you are targeting.
> >>>>>>> Rick
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2022, at 9:33 AM, francois.chaplais via use-livecode <
> >>>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrot

Re: A question about the compiler to come

2022-03-04 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
It's nice that aCompileIt!/Double-XX replacement is finally coming to
LiveCode, maybe, but it is pretty expensive, at $499/year.
The old timers may remember both of those products, from Heizer Software,
allowed you to compile HyperCard stacks (and build XCMD's and XFCN's).
We will see how smooth the path will be. I did post $500, but I think it
will be a rocky transition.


On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:19 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I meant to include link to this:
> https://livecode.com/script-compiler-project-page/
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:13 PM Tom Glod  wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean, one the page for the compiler project and Kevin talks about the
> > nature of Livecode being interpreted . currently the script in memory
> > is just obfuscated, and a sufficiently motivated person or group of
> people
> > could eventually find what they want to find.  script passwords are
> useful
> > too, but also have their limit.
> >
> > "By compiling scripts fully, standalones become even more secure. We’ve
> > put a lot of work into making standalones secure at present but there are
> > still limitations on the existing approach that are fundamental to how an
> > interpreter like LiveCode operates. Compiled code does not leave any
> trace
> > of the original script text."
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 5:22 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tom
> >> What security imp[lications do you perceive it to overcome?
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 21:07, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Pardon my lingo  but this is f#%%ing huge Just last week, I
> was
> >> > thinking about the nature of livecode and that it comes with some
> pretty
> >> > profound security implications.
> >> > I'm sSuper happy to see this machine code compiler coming to livecode.
> >> > This is likely to directly influence the amount of sleep I get in this
> >> > upcoming decade of work :)
> >> > Great decision by the team to go ahead with this.
> >> > (y)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 3:03 PM Tom Glod  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Interesting.
> >> > > I cannot find  this email from Kevin, can someone please forward it
> >> to me
> >> > > or direct me to where I can read it?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Tom
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:10 AM Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> >> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> According to Kevin’s email:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Would this script compiler work on all platforms?
> >> > >> All platforms will benefit. Code will run faster and readable
> scripts
> >> > >> will be removed whatever platform you are targeting.
> >> > >> Rick
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > On Mar 3, 2022, at 9:33 AM, francois.chaplais via use-livecode <
> >> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dear all
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > You probably have received some mail asking for funding
> concerning
> >> a
> >> > >> compiler to come.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I would like to know if this compiler can target MacOS/ARM
> >> processor
> >> > on
> >> > >> the desktop.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Best regards,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > François
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Re: MobileVibrate

2022-02-28 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
it was four years, last year, according to "mikey", whoever that is.

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 12:57 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> Yeah, and the list gets longer all the time. I'm not sure what that binary
> conflict in the bug report means though.
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> On February 27, 2022 4:02:43 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jacque,
> >
> > On 27/02/2022 21:00, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I didn't see an inclusion for it, so either I missed it or we don't
> need one.
> >> (It would sure help if we could search for inclusions in that long
> list.)
> >
> > According to this
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18199
> >
> > which you, me, and Mike Kerner have all commented on: Ali LLoyd
> apparently
> > submitted a PR to improve this situation, which has been awaiting a
> merge for
> > over four years??
> >
> > It looks great in the gif here:
> > https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/1809
> >
> > Ben
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Re: Standalone build under Big Sur on M1 Airbook

2022-02-22 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
i'm not sure what an airbook is, but i'm using a 2021 m1max mbp

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 4:24 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> i am not having any trouble building using 6.8.5 on osx 12.2.1
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 3:05 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I was just building an app under Big Sur on a new M1 Airbook when during
>> the build process with the build dialog showing "Copying files..." the
>> macOS told me the command 'lipo' was not installed and did I want to
>> download it.
>>
>> Has anyone else seen this?
>>
>> I mean I already get a whole pile of "Do you want to allow permission to
>> ..." the Desktop, Documents, etc. etc.
>>
>> You would think the LC being code signed, entitled, notarized, stapled,
>> etc. would mean the macOS would not ask me, but Apple is nuts with
>> "security" these days.
>>
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Re: Standalone build under Big Sur on M1 Airbook

2022-02-22 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
i am not having any trouble building using 6.8.5 on osx 12.2.1

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> I was just building an app under Big Sur on a new M1 Airbook when during
> the build process with the build dialog showing "Copying files..." the
> macOS told me the command 'lipo' was not installed and did I want to
> download it.
>
> Has anyone else seen this?
>
> I mean I already get a whole pile of "Do you want to allow permission to
> ..." the Desktop, Documents, etc. etc.
>
> You would think the LC being code signed, entitled, notarized, stapled,
> etc. would mean the macOS would not ask me, but Apple is nuts with
> "security" these days.
>
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Re: ios redraws just stop

2022-02-22 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
even better, card transitions are happening. controls that i can't see are
responding.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:34 AM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> is there a way to force lc to redraw on ios? iphonesetredrawinterval 1
> doesn't do it.
> it seems that i have managed to find a way to make lc stop redrawing.
> it's difficult to test without forcing a redraw
>


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ios redraws just stop

2022-02-22 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
is there a way to force lc to redraw on ios? iphonesetredrawinterval 1
doesn't do it.
it seems that i have managed to find a way to make lc stop redrawing.
it's difficult to test without forcing a redraw
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Re: QR Code Reader for android, ios?

2022-02-19 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
for ios use mergav. it works great
on ios when prompted, the user has to permit both the camera and the
microphone.


here's some code to help get you going
check for typos, i had to modify mine to make it more generic

on scanCredentials
   global barcodeTarget
   if not(barcodePermissionsGranted()) then exit scanCredentials
   put the long name of me into barcodeTarget
   barcodeScannerStart "org.iso.QRCode" #when we get something back,
scanReturned will be called
   unlock screen
end scanCredentials



function barcodePermissionsGranted
   global videoAccessGranted, audioAccessGranted
   put empty into videoAccessGranted
   put empty into audioAccessGranted
   #get permission for the camera and microphone
   if the environment is not "mobile" then return false
   mergavrequestmediaaccess "video"
   mergavrequestmediaaccess "audio"
   repeat until videoAccessGranted is not empty and audioAccessGranted is
not empty # sit until we get the answers we seek
  wait 10 milliseconds with messages
   end repeat #until videoAccessGranted is not empty and audioAccessGranted
is not empty
   return videoaccessGranted and audioaccessgranted
end barcodePermissionsGranted



on barcodeScannerStart symbology
   if the environment is not "mobile" then exit barcodeScannerStart
   mobileBusyIndicatorStart "square","Starting Scanner",70
   wait 10 milliseconds with messages
   put mergAVCamBarcodeTypes() into supportedSymbologies
   if symbology is empty or symbology is "All" then
  put supportedSymbologies into symbology #allow everything.
   else if symbology is not in supportedSymbologies then #if it's empty
then assume "All"
  beep
  answer "The app wants to use a barcode symbology that isn't supported
"&"."
  exit barcodeScannerStart
   end if #symbology is not in supportedSymbologies
   barcodeScanner symbology
end barcodeScannerStart



on mergAVMediaAccess pType, pGranted
   global videoAccessGranted, audioAccessGranted
   if not pGranted then
  if pType is "audio" then
 put "microphone" into device
 put "Microphone" into panel
  else #video
 put "camera" into device
 put "Camera" into panel
  end if #pType is "audio"
  mobilebusyindicatorstop
  put false into videoAccessGranted # nuke both because proceeding is
out.
  put false into audioAccessGranted # nuke both because proceeding is
out.
  answer "Please grant access to the"&&&"in the Settings app,
under Privacy ->"&
  exit to top
   else #granted - only set the one that was granted, don't do any funky
resets, or anything.
  if pType is "audio" then
 put true into audioAccessGranted
  else #video
 put true into videoAccessGranted
  end if #pType is "audio"
  # added and removed...if audioAccessGranted and videoAccessGranted
then barcodeScanner symbology
   end if #not pGranted
end mergAVMediaAccess



on barcodeScanner symbology
   global barcodeScannerIsLive
   mobileBusyIndicatorStart "square","Starting Scanner",70
   mergavcamcreate
   put the result into theResult
   if theResult is not empty then
  mobileBusyIndicatorStop
  answer "Scanner not created:"&
  exit barcodeScanner
   end if #the result is not empty
   try
  mergAVCamSet "rect",the rect of grc "cam"
   catch e
  mobileBusyIndicatorStop
  answer e
  exit barcodeScanner
   end try
   try
  mergAVCamSet "visible","true"
   catch e
  mobileBusyIndicatorStop
  answer e
  exit barcodeScanner
   end try
   try
  mergAVCamSet "quality","high"
   catch e
  mobileBusyIndicatorStop
  answer e
  exit barcodeScanner
   end try
   mobileBusyIndicatorStop

   put mergavcamget("max zoom") into theZoom
   try
  mergavcamset "zoom",theZoom
   catch e
  mobileBusyIndicatorStop
  answer e
  exit barcodeScanner
   end try
   mergAVCamStartBarcodeReader symbology
   put true into barcodeScannerIsLive
end barcodeScanner



on mergAVCamBarcodeFound pBarcode, pType
   global barcodeTarget
   dispatch "scanReturned" to barcodeTarget with pBarcode
end mergAVCamBarcodeFound



on stopBarcodeScanner
   global barcodeScannerIsLive
   if not barcodeScannerIsLive then exit stopBarcodeScanner # or will throw
an error
   mergAVCamStopBarcodeReader
   mergAVCamDelete
   put false into barcodeScannerIsLive
end stopBarcodeScanner

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:05 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi Tom,
>
> > Am 19.02.2022 um 17:00 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I've done some searches and its still not clear to me, a lot of old posts
> > and no clear answer that I found that I can be sure applies in 2022.
> >
> > Do we have a working QR code reader library. widget, external?
> > For android? ios?
> > I don't mind paying for it.
> >
> > I know for desktop I can probably use the browser widget with the camera,
> > and some JS library.
> > But 

Re: mobile scroll indicator position

2022-02-19 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
also, indicatorInsets are 0,0,0,0
I tried setting hscroll, but it's stuck at -34

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:25 AM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> I have an ios scroller overlaying a text field, but the scroll
> indicator/thumb is pretty far to the left of the rect of the scroller and
> of the contentRect. The scroller operates to the right of the indicator, so
> it's obviously offset left, somehow. What am I missing?
>
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>


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mobile scroll indicator position

2022-02-19 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I have an ios scroller overlaying a text field, but the scroll
indicator/thumb is pretty far to the left of the rect of the scroller and
of the contentRect. The scroller operates to the right of the indicator, so
it's obviously offset left, somehow. What am I missing?

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Re: tmAlign is now available on gitHub

2022-02-11 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
That might be a good idea.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 6:02 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike, any chance you could do a talk at the upcoming LC virtual
> conference on tmAlign, tmControl and whatever else is in the tool bag?
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's interesting that tmAlign has gotten so much attention since I posted
> > this, but the tmControl post has not, when tmControl is just so good at
> > making beautiful interfaces easier.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:13 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> More powerful, more options
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 08.02.2022 um 21:05 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>
> >>> On 2/8/22 12:32 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>> Awesome. I really like TMAlign. Scott was/is brilliant.
> >>>
> >>> No question, Scott is amazing. How does tmAlign differentiate itself
> >> from LC's built-in capabilites?
> >>>
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Re: tmAlign is now available on gitHub

2022-02-09 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
It's interesting that tmAlign has gotten so much attention since I posted
this, but the tmControl post has not, when tmControl is just so good at
making beautiful interfaces easier.

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> > No question, Scott is amazing. How does tmAlign differentiate itself
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Re: pssst tmControl2 is now OSS

2022-01-27 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Yep. I added that issue to the board.


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> The file in my plugin folder was date 27.01 1:38am. After removing both
> folder and file and copying the files again from your repo, the error does
> not come up anymore.
>
> But another one, see my reply. Seems there is something wrong with the
> LAZR2 theme.
>
> > Am 27.01.2022 um 14:11 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> >
> > Matthias,
> > Check the reply I made on the issue you raised: The version that Scott
> > uploaded had some old bugs in it. I sent him the fixes, but I don't know
> if
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Re: pssst tmControl2 is now OSS

2022-01-27 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Matthias,
Check the reply I made on the issue you raised: The version that Scott
uploaded had some old bugs in it. I sent him the fixes, but I don't know if
he included them. The repo should have those bugs squashed.
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pssst tmControl2 is now OSS

2022-01-26 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
At long last, Scott Rossi has released the amazing tmControl2 under the BSD
license, including a number of themes that I, at least, had not seen,
before.
Now, thanks to Scott's generosity, everyone in liveCode land can use tmc2
to build more beautiful interfaces and controls.
* I have a repo with a number of updates/bug fixes up at
https://github.com/macMikey/tmControl
* The original is available at https://tmtools.tactilemedia.com.
* If anyone else falls in love with, or is already in love with tmc2, I
would love to talk to you about what we can do to make it better - tmc3.

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Re: Mac Multiple Monitor Menubar Management

2022-01-24 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Thanks, Phil.
Taking another look at it, I was able to get the code to work using working
screenRects.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:20 AM Mike Kerner 
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> Hmm. I tried that before I dove into windowBoundingRect and ran into a
> problem, but now it seems to be working, so maybe.
> Thanks, Phil.
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 1:53 AM Phil Davis via use-livecode <
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>> Actually 'the working screenRects' returns that info for all screens.
>> Maybe that could work for you.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On 1/23/22 10:21 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>> > Hi Mike,
>> >
>> > Would this give you what you need?
>> >
>> > function menubarHeight
>> >     return item 2 of the working screenRect
>> > end  menubarHeight
>> >
>> > Phil Davis
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/23/22 7:39 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> >> Other than using windowBoundingRect, is there any way to compute the
>> >> menubar height? The 2021 MBP's have changed the height of the menubar
>> to
>> >> accommodate the notch.
>> >> Generally it's 42 pixels on the new MBP, except when it's something
>> >> else,
>> >> especially on secondary monitors (e.g. I've seen it at 50 px in one
>> >> case).
>> >> I want to constrain the movement of a window to keep the user from
>> >> dragging
>> >> it under the menubar. The code I have works great, until you add
>> >> monitor 2.
>> >> screenRects (plural) tells you what the rect is for the second
>> >> window, but
>> >> it doesn't take the menubar into account. I could just assume it's
>> >> the same
>> >> height as the menubar on monitor 1, but that assumes that the menubar
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Re: Mac Multiple Monitor Menubar Management

2022-01-24 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Hmm. I tried that before I dove into windowBoundingRect and ran into a
problem, but now it seems to be working, so maybe.
Thanks, Phil.

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> Actually 'the working screenRects' returns that info for all screens.
> Maybe that could work for you.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On 1/23/22 10:21 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Would this give you what you need?
> >
> > function menubarHeight
> > return item 2 of the working screenRect
> > end  menubarHeight
> >
> > Phil Davis
> >
> >
> > On 1/23/22 7:39 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Other than using windowBoundingRect, is there any way to compute the
> >> menubar height? The 2021 MBP's have changed the height of the menubar to
> >> accommodate the notch.
> >> Generally it's 42 pixels on the new MBP, except when it's something
> >> else,
> >> especially on secondary monitors (e.g. I've seen it at 50 px in one
> >> case).
> >> I want to constrain the movement of a window to keep the user from
> >> dragging
> >> it under the menubar. The code I have works great, until you add
> >> monitor 2.
> >> screenRects (plural) tells you what the rect is for the second
> >> window, but
> >> it doesn't take the menubar into account. I could just assume it's
> >> the same
> >> height as the menubar on monitor 1, but that assumes that the menubar is
> >> present on monitor 2, as well.
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Mac Multiple Monitor Menubar Management

2022-01-23 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Other than using windowBoundingRect, is there any way to compute the
menubar height? The 2021 MBP's have changed the height of the menubar to
accommodate the notch.
Generally it's 42 pixels on the new MBP, except when it's something else,
especially on secondary monitors (e.g. I've seen it at 50 px in one case).
I want to constrain the movement of a window to keep the user from dragging
it under the menubar. The code I have works great, until you add monitor 2.
screenRects (plural) tells you what the rect is for the second window, but
it doesn't take the menubar into account. I could just assume it's the same
height as the menubar on monitor 1, but that assumes that the menubar is
present on monitor 2, as well.
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tmEffects is now available on gitHub

2022-01-18 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
It looks like Scott also OSS'd tmEffects, which is his nifty tool for
adding shading, drop shadows, etc. to LC objects.
I removed the white filter on the palette and uploaded.
https://github.com/macMikey/tmEffects

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Re: tmc2 hacks

2022-01-17 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
To anyone that cares, I think I got tmc2 working with behavior stacks and
Levure. I can't release the code, since the base project is copyright, but
if you're interested, I can tell you what I did (then hopefully someone
else can make it better).

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> I have not been modding tmc2 but I do still use some of those slick
> objects. (I have modded a few of the gauges in Scott's older tmgauges
> project.  :- )
>
> > On Dec 27, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> >
> > tmc2 still gives me better ui's than native widgets do.
> > i have been messing with it for a while, including experimenting with
> > breaking it into SOS's to see if i can get it to play nicely with levure.
> > today's conversation about keyboards on mobile reminded me that it would
> be
> > good to add some of those properties.
> > has anyone else been modding/hacking tmc2?
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tmAlign is now available on gitHub

2022-01-17 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I discovered a little while ago that tmAlign is licensed GPL. 
So, I fixed the light header backdrop in Scott's various plugins and threw
up a tmAlign repo on github.
https://github.com/macMikey/tmAlign
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Re: Segmented Control Not Working?

2022-01-17 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
If memory serves, I think hiliteChanged doesn't fire until after the hilite
has already changed, which is unhelpful.
I've given up on using LC's widgets, for now, because they are just so
primitive. I've gone back to using tmc2 for everything.

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> I see on the Livecode-blog.de  forum I need to
> use a hiliteChanged handler to do the job.
>
> Not what I expected.
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 10:21 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
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> > I’m using a segmented control widget in LC 9.6.4 Mac. I have a mouseUp
> handler in it. Clicking on any of the tabs (buttons) fail to trigger the
> mouseUp.
> >
> > I can send the mouseUp message to it from the Message box.
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> >
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Re: Can I still change LC code?

2022-01-11 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
However, if you have improvements to make, you can always submit them along
with a bug report.


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> Alright, I'll have to add that to my list.  Thanks for the hints
> Jacqueline.
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:16 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> > Just roll your own. Any mod to the IDE goes away next time you update.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 10, 2022, at 14:48, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree with Craig that you're better off making your own. There is a
> > built-in mechanism for this: the dialogData. It's a generic global
> > property, always available, specifically for moving data between a modal
> > stack and your scripts. You don't need to declare it as a global, it's
> > always there.
> > >
> > > Create a stack with the controls you need, and open it as modal. When
> > the user hits the OK button (or whatever dismisses the stack,) use a
> > closeStack handler to put the data you need into the dialogData. Your
> > script will pause when the modal opens and resume when it closes, so you
> > just get the dialogData in the line after the one that opened the modal.
> > >
> > > Be sure to grab the data in the same handler that opened the modal
> > stack, because a lot of things use it and it can change often.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 1/10/22 12:13 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > >> Hi Folks,
> > >> Am I allowed to modify the answer and ask dialog stack to be what I
> > need it
> > >> to be? and build my standalones from the modified version?
> > >> and can those modified stacks be shared with others?
> > >> Thanks in advance,
> > >
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Re: Is it normal to not be able to set script of objects in an encrypted stack?

2021-12-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Glad you solved it, but as long as we're throwing ideas around, you should
be able to have a script of a button use do, so you really can have it do
anything. You would just put the script into a variable, make the variable
global, and have the button do the variable.

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> Hey guys, while this is interesting to know and think about . i solved
> my problem by not needing to set the script.
>
> Thanks for taking time
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 4:54 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> > I thought for a standalone if you "set the passKey of stack "x" to "y"
> you
> > will be able to modify scripts. This will only be in ram. If your
> > standalone
> > saves the stack then do "set the password of stack to "y" before saving.
> If
> > someone is scraping ram memory then you have a problem, but if someone is
> > scraping memory you have bigger problems.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
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> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Tom Glod via use-livecode
> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 4:34 PM
> > To: How to use LiveCode
> > Cc: Tom Glod
> > Subject: Re: Is it normal to not be able to set script of objects in an
> > encrypted stack?
> >
> > HmmmI hear you, that makes sense.
> >
> > On the flip side, as soon as I want to set the script of a button, I'm
> > doomed to have my code remain readable. I gotta think of a workaround for
> > why I was setting the script to begin with.
> >
> > Thanks MIke.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:43 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I would hope that would be the behavior. It would also make it harder
> > > for your stack to get borked by someone else.
> > > If I was trying to break that behavior I would try to put the code
> > > into a variable, encrypt the variable using the password, then set the
> > > script of the object to the encrypted version, although I don't know
> > > what algorithm LC is using.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:13 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
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> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Today I found out that if I put a password on my stack, any code
> > > > that
> > > sets
> > > > the script of an object in that stack receives an execution error
> > > > when running as standalone.
> > > >
> > > >  Why is this so?
> > > >
> > > > And is there a workaround?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
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apns/content-available

2021-12-30 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Has anyone messed with using the content-available dictionary key with APNS
to cause your app to wake up and process your payload?
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Re: Is it normal to not be able to set script of objects in an encrypted stack?

2021-12-30 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I would hope that would be the behavior. It would also make it harder for
your stack to get borked by someone else.
If I was trying to break that behavior I would try to put the code into a
variable, encrypt the variable using the password, then set the script of
the object to the encrypted version, although I don't know what algorithm
LC is using.

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>
> Today I found out that if I put a password on my stack, any code that sets
> the script of an object in that stack receives an execution error when
> running as standalone.
>
>  Why is this so?
>
> And is there a workaround?
>
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tmc2 hacks

2021-12-27 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
tmc2 still gives me better ui's than native widgets do.
i have been messing with it for a while, including experimenting with
breaking it into SOS's to see if i can get it to play nicely with levure.
today's conversation about keyboards on mobile reminded me that it would be
good to add some of those properties.
has anyone else been modding/hacking tmc2?
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.6 RC-1

2021-12-21 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Panos,
I didn't mean that I did not understand. I completely understand. It was
like "WHT?"
Both of those issues have annoyed the heck out of me for nearly a decade.
I am hoping, if I am reading the silent fail correctly, that it won't just
be for moveStack and resizeStack, but any time that there is a script fail
on mobile, because that is (or maybe was) so unbelievably annoying.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Christmas is a time of gifts indeed!
>
> Thanks to everyone at LiveCode for all your hard work.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Ben
>
> On 21/12/2021 14:44, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.6 RC-1.
> >
> >
> > Getting the Release
> > ===
> > You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> > automatic updater. To find the 9.6.6 RC-1 test release in your LiveCode
> > account, please scroll down to below the list of stable releases, to find
> > your available test releases.
> >
> > Release Contents
> > 
> > LiveCode 9.6.6 RC-1 comes with several changes, including fixes for lots
> of
> > the bugs you requested in the recent survey:
> >
> > New Features:
> > - iOS device safe area insets function
> > An iphoneSafeAreaInsets function has been added to enable getting the
> safe
> > area insets of the device the app is running on. These can be used to
> > adjust your app's user interface elements to avoid areas that are covered
> > by device furniture, e.g. the notch.
> >
> > - Android adaptive icons
> > It is now possible to configure your Android apps to use adaptive icons.
> > To use adaptive icons, generate them using the Image Asset Editor in
> > Android Studio and
> > then choose the resulting res folder in the android standalone settings
> > pane.
> >
> > - Android app query whitelist
> > Support has been added for specifying which other apps can be interacted
> > with via the intent and other (custom) URL schemes.
> > Since Android 11, by default, an app cannot interact with any others due
> to
> > changes to package visibility. You must now specify which apps you need
> > access to by adding their ids to the App ID Query Whitelist field in the
> > Android standalone settings.
> >
> >
> > Bug Fixes:
> > - Opening HyperCard stacks will no longer cause a crash
> > - Support for the system date and the system time has been added on
> Android
> > - A stack's rect will no longer become out of sync with its actual
> position
> > after being moved in the IDE on macOS
> > - A wider range of TrueType font files will now work on Android and Web
> > - Use of the term Tutorials have been replaced by the term Lessons
> > throughout the IDE
> > - When a runtime error occurs in a context where the script debugger
> cannot
> > run, the error dialog will be displayed rather
> > than failing silently
> > - Conversions between global and local co-ordinates are now correct on
> > multi-screen macOS systems.
> > - The welcome tutorial can now be started on first run via the Start
> > Interative Welcome button in the start center
> > - Starting a new tutorial will now close the previous tutorial's stack,
> if
> > present
> > - The performance of the script editor while typing has been improved
> > - Downloading large amounts of data using tsNet on Windows is now
> > substantially faster
> > - Invalid PDFs will no longer be generated when using the open printing
> to
> > PDF command on Windows using the 64-bit engine
> > - Script debugging will no longer fail to work intermittently when
> running
> > the IDE with pro features
> > - Scripts which run without locking the screen are no longer slower on
> > macOS Big Sur and later
> > - The drawing library now correctly handle gradients which are referred
> to
> > using an id containing - or _
> > - Key events will now work correctly after a modal dialog is shown from a
> > mouseUp handler in a grouped control
> > - The iphoneDeviceModel function now returns the correct model string
> when
> > run on an iOS/iPadOS simulator.
> > - Default buttons and progress bars will no longer cause unnecessary CPU
> > usage on macOS 10.10 (Yosemite) or later
> > - The byteOffset function will no longer cause incorrect results in some
> > cases nor cause a crash
> > - Scripts containing accented characters will no longer incorrectly
> report
> > being externally modified
> > - Using the print link command when printing to PDF on Windows no longer
> > causes a crash
> > - The copyright notices in the engine app bundle (macOS) and exe
> (Windows)
> > have been updated
> > - A significant memory leak in the browser widget on macOS has been
> > resolved
> > - POST data larger than 64kb is now parsed correctly by the Windows
> server
> > engine
> > - Audio-only players no longer consume excessive CPU when in Edit Mode on
> > macOS Big Sur
> > - WebGL content now 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.6 RC-1

2021-12-21 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Things that made me say "WHAT?"
- When a runtime error occurs in a context where the script debugger
cannot run, the error dialog will be displayed rather than failing silently
  WHAT? Who are you people?
- Conversions between global and local co-ordinates are now correct
on multi-screen macOS systems.
  WHAT? HAHAHAHA. OK, that's funny. You got me.


On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 9:45 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
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> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.6 RC-1.
>
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
> automatic updater. To find the 9.6.6 RC-1 test release in your LiveCode
> account, please scroll down to below the list of stable releases, to find
> your available test releases.
>
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.6 RC-1 comes with several changes, including fixes for lots of
> the bugs you requested in the recent survey:
>
> New Features:
> - iOS device safe area insets function
> An iphoneSafeAreaInsets function has been added to enable getting the safe
> area insets of the device the app is running on. These can be used to
> adjust your app's user interface elements to avoid areas that are covered
> by device furniture, e.g. the notch.
>
> - Android adaptive icons
> It is now possible to configure your Android apps to use adaptive icons.
> To use adaptive icons, generate them using the Image Asset Editor in
> Android Studio and
> then choose the resulting res folder in the android standalone settings
> pane.
>
> - Android app query whitelist
> Support has been added for specifying which other apps can be interacted
> with via the intent and other (custom) URL schemes.
> Since Android 11, by default, an app cannot interact with any others due to
> changes to package visibility. You must now specify which apps you need
> access to by adding their ids to the App ID Query Whitelist field in the
> Android standalone settings.
>
>
> Bug Fixes:
> - Opening HyperCard stacks will no longer cause a crash
> - Support for the system date and the system time has been added on Android
> - A stack's rect will no longer become out of sync with its actual position
> after being moved in the IDE on macOS
> - A wider range of TrueType font files will now work on Android and Web
> - Use of the term Tutorials have been replaced by the term Lessons
> throughout the IDE
> - When a runtime error occurs in a context where the script debugger cannot
> run, the error dialog will be displayed rather
> than failing silently
> - Conversions between global and local co-ordinates are now correct on
> multi-screen macOS systems.
> - The welcome tutorial can now be started on first run via the Start
> Interative Welcome button in the start center
> - Starting a new tutorial will now close the previous tutorial's stack, if
> present
> - The performance of the script editor while typing has been improved
> - Downloading large amounts of data using tsNet on Windows is now
> substantially faster
> - Invalid PDFs will no longer be generated when using the open printing to
> PDF command on Windows using the 64-bit engine
> - Script debugging will no longer fail to work intermittently when running
> the IDE with pro features
> - Scripts which run without locking the screen are no longer slower on
> macOS Big Sur and later
> - The drawing library now correctly handle gradients which are referred to
> using an id containing - or _
> - Key events will now work correctly after a modal dialog is shown from a
> mouseUp handler in a grouped control
> - The iphoneDeviceModel function now returns the correct model string when
> run on an iOS/iPadOS simulator.
> - Default buttons and progress bars will no longer cause unnecessary CPU
> usage on macOS 10.10 (Yosemite) or later
> - The byteOffset function will no longer cause incorrect results in some
> cases nor cause a crash
> - Scripts containing accented characters will no longer incorrectly report
> being externally modified
> - Using the print link command when printing to PDF on Windows no longer
> causes a crash
> - The copyright notices in the engine app bundle (macOS) and exe (Windows)
> have been updated
> - A significant memory leak in the browser widget on macOS has been
> resolved
> - POST data larger than 64kb is now parsed correctly by the Windows server
> engine
> - Audio-only players no longer consume excessive CPU when in Edit Mode on
> macOS Big Sur
> - WebGL content now displays in the browser widget when running on macOS
> 12.x (Monterey)
> - The union (and other set operation) commands now throw an error if there
> is no into clause and the target is not a declared variable
> - Building iOS apps using Xcode 13.2 with the iOS 15.2 SDK is now supported
> - Local file and content access has been re-enabled in the browser widget
> and native control on Android
> - Touch events now occur at the correct 

Re: IOS 15.0

2021-12-13 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
sorry, "unknown color".
The fix is to insert a breakpoint before the suspect code executes. Then it
finds its way.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 1:39 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> I've been using both 9.6.4 and 9.6.5 rc2 without issue on any of the ios
> target devices (other than a bizarre issue with the remote debugger
> reporting incorrect color instead of showing the actual error).
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 2:30 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> What’s the most stable release / configuration that works with IOS 15.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: IOS 15.0

2021-12-13 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I've been using both 9.6.4 and 9.6.5 rc2 without issue on any of the ios
target devices (other than a bizarre issue with the remote debugger
reporting incorrect color instead of showing the actual error).

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 2:30 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
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> What’s the most stable release / configuration that works with IOS 15.
>
> Thanks
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Re: JSON to Datagrid

2021-12-08 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
completely off the top of my head, so this might not be quite right
jsonToArray
set the dgData of group "datagrid 1" to 

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> Hi Skip,
> I don’t use Datagrids but have used a two-step process to get JSON into
> the Tree widget and a similar process may provide a direction of travel to
> test…?
>
> 1. JSON-to-array
> https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1303394-how-to-read-in-data-from-a-json-file
> 2. Setting the array data of datagrid…
>
> Good luck.
> Best,
> Keith
>
> > On 8 Dec 2021, at 16:15, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have been googling a solution for this but have not found a solid
> > solution for this.
> >
> > Can anybody lead me in the right direction on this?
> >
> > SKIP
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Re: Project browser docs

2021-12-06 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
PB is broken in a lot of ways, especially when it comes to handling groups.
There are several bug reports about it that go back a ways.

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> If you click the Layer header to view by layer order you'll see what
> you're
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> On December 6, 2021 7:10:29 AM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Matthias - found it.
> >
> > It looks like it's not for me - I use too much nesting of groups and
> > can't handle a non-hierarchical view:-)
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 06/12/2021 13:01, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Before the Project Browser was introduced  Application Overview was the
> >> tool to get an overview of all loaded stacks, its substacks, cards and
> all
> >> objects on that cards.
> >> You can now find it under Plugins->revApplicationOveriew.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Matthias
> >>> Am 06.12.2021 um 13:49 schrieb Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>> On 06/12/2021 04:14, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>
>  I prefer the horizontal layout in the Application Overview, but i
> thought
>  I'd give the PB another try now that I'm working on a simpler
> project. It's
>  too unweildy for multi-stack projects with lots of controls.
> 
> >>> Sorry, dumb question time - what is the "Application Overview" ?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Alex.
> >>>
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Re: mobile debugger: unknown color?

2021-12-04 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
that does not seem to do anything.
the good news is that i can throw in a breakpoint and then continue
execution to get the debugger to behave.


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 12:18 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> Mike,
>
> Did you try "Debug==>Show Next" in the SE?
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:16 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mike Kerner
> Subject: mobile debugger: unknown color?
>
> I'm getting an execution error at line n/a (Object: unknown color) the
> debugger then throws up the card script, but the pointer is not pointing at
> anything.
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Re: mobile debugger: unknown color?

2021-12-03 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Wow. This is even weirder.
There was an error in the card script, but the debugger did not pop up for
that, unless I put in a breakpoint statement, first. Once the breakpoint
statement triggers, even if you just continue execution after, when the
error occurs, the debugger will pop up.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 11:15 AM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> I'm getting an execution error at line n/a (Object: unknown color)
> the debugger then throws up the card script, but the pointer is not
> pointing at anything.
>
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>


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mobile debugger: unknown color?

2021-12-03 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'm getting an execution error at line n/a (Object: unknown color)
the debugger then throws up the card script, but the pointer is not
pointing at anything.

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Re: [ANN] Release 10.0.0 DP-1

2021-11-18 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
FYI, XC 12.5.x is being a bugger with MacOS 12.x for new hardware. Any
chance we'll get XCode 13.1 in DP2?
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Re: Xcode and Catalina **NEW MBP**

2021-11-17 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
For anyone else who gets to fight through this before a new LC comes out:
This is not an OS upgrade, this is a new box, with monterey preinstalled.
I used the Time Machine method for setting up this box
That brought over multiple copies of XCode, including 12.5 and 12.5.1
Building with LC throws an error using 12.5.1, regarding the command-line
tools, which implies that they are not installed - which is weird, since
they are installed on the other box for each of the versions of XCode, and
I can build, over there.
Trying to launch XC 12.5.1 throws an error about versioning.
Trying to launch XC 12.5.1 from the terminal seems to work (ignoring all
the warnings, etc.), but it does not trigger XCode to reinstall the
command-line tools.
Trying to use sudo xcode-select --switch  throws an error that the
version is invalid. If you are trying to play along at home, the path will
be something like /Applications/XCode-12.5.1/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
I guess the next thing to do is to try to download and reinstall 12.5.1
from the Apple Developer site.

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> Did you point the build tools to 12.5.1?
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 9:36 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mike Kerner
> Subject: Re: Xcode and Catalina **NEW MBP**
>
> just to follow up on this some more, I have tried launching XC 12.5.1
> manually. You can do it, but something happened with the command-line
> tools,
> which causes builds from within LC to bork with an error.
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:51 PM Jim MacConnell via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Am I understanding correctly?
> > There is a way to get Xcode 12.5 running on Monterey?
> > Will this satisfy the LC requirements?
> > Jim
> >
> > > On Nov 16, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Apple did it again. It looks like only Xcode 13 will run on Monterey.
> > Looks
> > > can be deceiving. If you activate Xcode 12.5.x from the command line
> > > it
> > will
> > > start.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ralph DiMola
> > > IT Director
> > > Evergreen Information Services
> > > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 7:01 PM
> > > To: How to use LiveCode
> > > Cc: Mike Kerner
> > > Subject: Re: Xcode and Catalina **NEW MBP**
> > >
> > > Ralph,
> > > I said "Catalina" when I meant "Monterey".
> > > It's a new MBP, and no versions of XC before 13.1 will run on it.
> > > I used a restore from Time Machine to get the machine set up, so all
> > > of
> > the
> > > old XCodes that I had moved over, but none of the command-line tools
> > seem to
> > > work.
> > > #firstWorldProblems
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:22 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mike,
> > >>
> > >> From 9.6.5 Release notes.
> > >>
> > >>  - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the
> > >> iOS
> > >> 14.4 SDK
> > >>
> > >> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations
> here:
> > >> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> > >>
> > >> Important: From the start of April 2021, Apple is only accepting
> > >> apps built using iOS14.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to
> > >> submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be running at least
> > >> macOS 10.15 in order to be able to install the necessary version of
> Xcode.
> > >>
> > >> Ralph DiMola
> > >> IT Director
> > >> Evergreen Information Services
> > >> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com]
> > >> On Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 

Re: Xcode and Catalina **NEW MBP**

2021-11-17 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
just to follow up on this some more, I have tried launching XC 12.5.1
manually. You can do it, but something happened with the command-line
tools, which causes builds from within LC to bork with an error.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:51 PM Jim MacConnell via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Am I understanding correctly?
> There is a way to get Xcode 12.5 running on Monterey?
> Will this satisfy the LC requirements?
> Jim
>
> > On Nov 16, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Apple did it again. It looks like only Xcode 13 will run on Monterey.
> Looks
> > can be deceiving. If you activate Xcode 12.5.x from the command line it
> will
> > start.
> >
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 7:01 PM
> > To: How to use LiveCode
> > Cc: Mike Kerner
> > Subject: Re: Xcode and Catalina **NEW MBP**
> >
> > Ralph,
> > I said "Catalina" when I meant "Monterey".
> > It's a new MBP, and no versions of XC before 13.1 will run on it.
> > I used a restore from Time Machine to get the machine set up, so all of
> the
> > old XCodes that I had moved over, but none of the command-line tools
> seem to
> > work.
> > #firstWorldProblems
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:22 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> From 9.6.5 Release notes.
> >>
> >>  - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the
> >> iOS
> >> 14.4 SDK
> >>
> >> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> >> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> >>
> >> Important: From the start of April 2021, Apple is only accepting apps
> >> built using iOS14.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps
> >> to the AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.15 in
> >> order to be able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> >>
> >> Ralph DiMola
> >> IT Director
> >> Evergreen Information Services
> >> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:21 PM
> >> To: How to use LiveCode
> >> Cc: Mike Kerner
> >> Subject: xcode and catalina **NEW MBP**
> >>
> >> Has anyone gotten LC/XC to work on a new mac that came with catalina
> >> pre-installed?
> >> I'm kind-of in a catch-22 with LC not working with XC 13.1 and XC
> >> 12.5.1 and below not even running in Catalina, so I can't complete the
> >> installs.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> day, God created the oceans.
> >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>   and did a little diving.
> >> And God said, "This is good."
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Re: Xcode and Catalina **NEW MBP**

2021-11-17 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
link, please. It isn't working for me.
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Re: Xcode and Catalina **NEW MBP**

2021-11-16 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Ralph,
I said "Catalina" when I meant "Monterey".
It's a new MBP, and no versions of XC before 13.1 will run on it.
I used a restore from Time Machine to get the machine set up, so all of the
old XCodes that I had moved over, but none of the command-line tools seem
to work.
#firstWorldProblems

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:22 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> From 9.6.5 Release notes.
>
>   - macOS 10.15.4: Xcode 12.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 14.4 SDK
>
> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>
> Important: From the start of April 2021, Apple is only accepting apps built
> using iOS14.x SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.15 in order to be
> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:21 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mike Kerner
> Subject: xcode and catalina **NEW MBP**
>
> Has anyone gotten LC/XC to work on a new mac that came with catalina
> pre-installed?
> I'm kind-of in a catch-22 with LC not working with XC 13.1 and XC 12.5.1
> and
> below not even running in Catalina, so I can't complete the installs.
>
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> God created the oceans.
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Re: xcode and catalina **NEW MBP**

2021-11-16 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
sigh. yes, monterey. 12.0.1

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:25 PM Jim At Consensus via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Do you mean “Monterey”. I’m in Bog Sur and Vataliba was a version Orr more
> ago.
>
> Doesn’t really matter. I’m holding off on upgrade to Monterey until LC can
> deal with xCode 13.
>
> ~j
>
> Sent from Jim's iPhone XR
> Please excuse brevity, typos and errors
>
> > On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone gotten LC/XC to work on a new mac that came with catalina
> > pre-installed?
> > I'm kind-of in a catch-22 with LC not working with XC 13.1 and XC 12.5.1
> > and below not even running in Catalina, so I can't complete the installs.
> >
> > --
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xcode and catalina **NEW MBP**

2021-11-16 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Has anyone gotten LC/XC to work on a new mac that came with catalina
pre-installed?
I'm kind-of in a catch-22 with LC not working with XC 13.1 and XC 12.5.1
and below not even running in Catalina, so I can't complete the installs.

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Re: M1 Mac Windows 10 ARM in Parallels and LC

2021-11-05 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
and i don't think you can get the win 10 installer for arm any longer. i
think it's been discontinued and you can only get 11, now.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 2:45 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> remind me next week. my MBP just arrived, yesterday, and after 20 hours in
> migration assistant, is finally in use.
> I got a dev edition of win 11 installed in parallels, but i have not tried
> anything else with it, yet.
> i also have not figured out how to get the apps to transfer because you
> can't just open your intel vm in the arm vm, which means getting programs
> to move won't be trivial.
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Has anyone yet had experience running LC in a Windows 10 ARM edition
>> within
>> Parallels Desktop?
>>
>> This, I feel, would be good knowledge for us all to be aware of.
>>
>> I'm going through the process of working out my next upgrade to the
>> MacBook
>> Pro M1Max. But a contributing factor is: wether this would be able to swap
>> out all of my other systems to just the one (which would be beneficial to
>> my working environment). If not I would have to keep a separate windows
>> system I can hook into via VNC (albeit without the useful direct bridging
>> between the two) or an offsite Windows server (which will be slower but
>> still usable).
>>
>> Technically, the Windows ARM is only beta and may even get dropped
>> potentially. It can run x86 apps (virtualised, I think) but not x64. LC is
>> still x86 as far as I am aware. But I don't know what other caveats may
>> become evident once it is up and running. Hence the question.
>>
>> If no one else has tried this out I may well end up just biting the bullet
>> and take one for the team to find out. But it would be great to know
>> before
>> hand what to expect.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
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>


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Re: M1 Mac Windows 10 ARM in Parallels and LC

2021-11-05 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
remind me next week. my MBP just arrived, yesterday, and after 20 hours in
migration assistant, is finally in use.
I got a dev edition of win 11 installed in parallels, but i have not tried
anything else with it, yet.
i also have not figured out how to get the apps to transfer because you
can't just open your intel vm in the arm vm, which means getting programs
to move won't be trivial.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM Sean Cole via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone yet had experience running LC in a Windows 10 ARM edition within
> Parallels Desktop?
>
> This, I feel, would be good knowledge for us all to be aware of.
>
> I'm going through the process of working out my next upgrade to the MacBook
> Pro M1Max. But a contributing factor is: wether this would be able to swap
> out all of my other systems to just the one (which would be beneficial to
> my working environment). If not I would have to keep a separate windows
> system I can hook into via VNC (albeit without the useful direct bridging
> between the two) or an offsite Windows server (which will be slower but
> still usable).
>
> Technically, the Windows ARM is only beta and may even get dropped
> potentially. It can run x86 apps (virtualised, I think) but not x64. LC is
> still x86 as far as I am aware. But I don't know what other caveats may
> become evident once it is up and running. Hence the question.
>
> If no one else has tried this out I may well end up just biting the bullet
> and take one for the team to find out. But it would be great to know before
> hand what to expect.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Sean
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Re: Bug survey

2021-11-04 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
No, this is something different. There was a bug report on mobile related
to event ordering, but I can't find it. I originally worked around it (like
the error causing silent aborts), but it just jumped back up at me, again,
and reminded me that I didn't put it on my list.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 5:48 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> On 11/3/21 4:03 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > This is the bug where (on mobile) events don't necessarily thread, so if
> > you are in the middle of a handler and you try to jump out by branching
> to
> > another card (or handler) the current one will continue to execute. I
> think
> > it also included an issue with event timing being borked on mobile.
>
> I may not understand correctly, but in general this is normal behavior.
> When you go to another
> card or handler, those messages are sent and then the original handler
> continues. If you don't
> want a continuation, add an "exit" command after the "go".
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Re: Bug survey

2021-11-03 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
oh yeah, and another one I forgot about because I've just dealt with it for
so long:
silent error fails on mobile - again I don't see it in the bug db any more.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 5:03 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> Does anyone remember the bug number for the mobile event ordering issue? I
> can't find it in the bug db and it just bit me so I was going to email LC
> to modify my list.
> This is the bug where (on mobile) events don't necessarily thread, so if
> you are in the middle of a handler and you try to jump out by branching to
> another card (or handler) the current one will continue to execute. I think
> it also included an issue with event timing being borked on mobile.
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:04 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> François,
>>
>> i noticed something similar and asked about here in September:
>>
>> >>
>> i am currently noticing a massive slow down of the LC 9.6.4 IDE menu. Not
>> right away after opening Livecode IDE, but after some time of usage.
>> I never noticed that in 9.6.3. Clicking on an main menu entry takes then
>> about 2 or 3 seconds until i can see the submenu
>> But I am not sure if this is really only an LC problem or due to the fact
>> that i upgraded to Big Sur around the same time as LC 9.6.4 was released.
>> Currently i only notice this slow down of the menu in 9.6.4 and i am not
>> able to see this in 9.6.3. But maybe i am a little bit to impatient and my
>> testing is too short.
>> In the activity monitor i cannot see anything unusual. Now large memory
>> consumption of LC and no high CPU usage.
>> After a restart of LC the IDE menu behaves normal, but some time later it
>> slows down.
>> Is anyone else experiencing the same or a similar behavior?"
>> <<
>>
>> Until now i did not find any solution for this. I really do not know what
>> is causing this and i have no recipe how to reproduce this bug. It just
>> happens...
>>
>> But if you would file a bug, i would add a comment for this and we would
>> be already 2 that have this problem. Maybe there are more people with this.
>>
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>
>> > Am 02.11.2021 um 21:41 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>> >
>> > I wanted to answer the LC bug survey.
>> >
>> > The problem is that there is probably no bug number for my problem.
>> >
>> > So here it what I wanted to answer to the first question in the survey:
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > I am on MacOS Big Sur, 11.6.1 (20G224). Latest 27''  iMac, Intel Chip,
>> 8 cores i7, 64 Gigs RAM, 4 TB SSD, etc..
>> >
>> > I have the latest stable build of Livecode (9.6.4 | Build 15551).
>> >
>> > When I want to activate a menu item in the Livecode menubar, it
>> constantly takes more than one second to react. The Livecode menu. The File
>> menu. Using the menu to quit Livecode is for the intrepid.
>> >
>> > This is the first impression that I have of the current Livecode app,
>> and it discourages me to even try this version.
>> >
>> > This should be a no brainer for a 2021 app.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
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Re: Bug survey

2021-11-03 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Does anyone remember the bug number for the mobile event ordering issue? I
can't find it in the bug db and it just bit me so I was going to email LC
to modify my list.
This is the bug where (on mobile) events don't necessarily thread, so if
you are in the middle of a handler and you try to jump out by branching to
another card (or handler) the current one will continue to execute. I think
it also included an issue with event timing being borked on mobile.

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> François,
>
> i noticed something similar and asked about here in September:
>
> >>
> i am currently noticing a massive slow down of the LC 9.6.4 IDE menu. Not
> right away after opening Livecode IDE, but after some time of usage.
> I never noticed that in 9.6.3. Clicking on an main menu entry takes then
> about 2 or 3 seconds until i can see the submenu
> But I am not sure if this is really only an LC problem or due to the fact
> that i upgraded to Big Sur around the same time as LC 9.6.4 was released.
> Currently i only notice this slow down of the menu in 9.6.4 and i am not
> able to see this in 9.6.3. But maybe i am a little bit to impatient and my
> testing is too short.
> In the activity monitor i cannot see anything unusual. Now large memory
> consumption of LC and no high CPU usage.
> After a restart of LC the IDE menu behaves normal, but some time later it
> slows down.
> Is anyone else experiencing the same or a similar behavior?"
> <<
>
> Until now i did not find any solution for this. I really do not know what
> is causing this and i have no recipe how to reproduce this bug. It just
> happens...
>
> But if you would file a bug, i would add a comment for this and we would
> be already 2 that have this problem. Maybe there are more people with this.
>
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
> > Am 02.11.2021 um 21:41 schrieb francois.chaplais via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I wanted to answer the LC bug survey.
> >
> > The problem is that there is probably no bug number for my problem.
> >
> > So here it what I wanted to answer to the first question in the survey:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am on MacOS Big Sur, 11.6.1 (20G224). Latest 27''  iMac, Intel Chip, 8
> cores i7, 64 Gigs RAM, 4 TB SSD, etc..
> >
> > I have the latest stable build of Livecode (9.6.4 | Build 15551).
> >
> > When I want to activate a menu item in the Livecode menubar, it
> constantly takes more than one second to react. The Livecode menu. The File
> menu. Using the menu to quit Livecode is for the intrepid.
> >
> > This is the first impression that I have of the current Livecode app,
> and it discourages me to even try this version.
> >
> > This should be a no brainer for a 2021 app.
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
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win 11

2021-11-03 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
anyone screwing with win 11 and lc?

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Re: mobile accelerometer

2021-11-03 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Right - it's the deceleration and delay that I'm hoping I can use to
determine that the forklift has stopped moving.
And yes, there are simpler ways to do everything - but if I was going for
simple, I would have stationary, wired workstations running our ERP
software, not a mobile app running on the truck.

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>
> mike mumbled,
> >
> > is anyone using the mobile accelerometer functionality?
> > i am thinking of adding it to our shop floor app to stop updates while
> > forklifts are moving.
>
> I used it a few years ago to move something around the screen by tilting.
> It was rather straightforward:  just read the things and use the related
> trigonometry (to figure out the angle it is held at in X & Y).
>
> However, the accelerometers will *not* tell you whether or not something
> is moving—once speed is reached, the acceleration drops to “zero” (gravity
> will still be detected).
>
> It could tell you that motion started, though, and you could lockout for
> however many minutes after any acceleration.
>
> Or, you could numerically integrate to get an estimate of speed, and later
> measure decelerations.
>
> But wouldn’t it be simpler to just let updates happen off-shift?
>
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mobile accelerometer

2021-11-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
is anyone using the mobile accelerometer functionality?
i am thinking of adding it to our shop floor app to stop updates while
forklifts are moving.

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Re: Bug survey

2021-11-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
sounds like you should be filing a bug report.
that also sounds like strange behavior.

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> I wanted to answer the LC bug survey.
>
> The problem is that there is probably no bug number for my problem.
>
> So here it what I wanted to answer to the first question in the survey:
>
> 
>
> I am on MacOS Big Sur, 11.6.1 (20G224). Latest 27''  iMac, Intel Chip, 8
> cores i7, 64 Gigs RAM, 4 TB SSD, etc..
>
> I have the latest stable build of Livecode (9.6.4 | Build 15551).
>
> When I want to activate a menu item in the Livecode menubar, it constantly
> takes more than one second to react. The Livecode menu. The File menu.
> Using the menu to quit Livecode is for the intrepid.
>
> This is the first impression that I have of the current Livecode app, and
> it discourages me to even try this version.
>
> This should be a no brainer for a 2021 app.
>
> 
>
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Re: widget store

2021-11-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
It is really weird that we are in a widget desert, like LCB has been
ignored.
I looked at LCB a couple of times, like when I was trying to fix some of
the issues with the treeView widget before I just got tired of fighting
with it.


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> Yes,
> that is also a great plugin from Scott. I used it also all the time. So
> much more options than the align menu of the ide.
>
> Matthias
>
>
> > Am 01.11.2021 um 22:08 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > tmAlign still works in LC 9.6.4 and Mac OS 12. I love it and use it all
> the time.
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >> On Nov 1, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> TM Align is a really handy tool for aligning/spacing objects on your
> card. It has a few things the property inspector alignment tab does not do,
> and you don't have to keep re-selecting the alignment tab in the property
> editor every time you close and re-open it.
> >>
> >> Scott sent me the latest one he has (or told me where to get it) so
> mine so far as I know still works. I haven't done any design work in quite
> a while.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 12:06 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think thats it Mike.  I would be shocked to find out there is
> another one
> >>> widget store.
> >>> What does tmc2 do ?
> >>
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widget store

2021-10-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
since the lc extension store is essentially empty, does anyone have a
widget store, somewhere?
i want to leave tmc2 behind, but i keep finding out just how painful the
alternative is.

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Re: LC Bug Survey Metasurvey - Ranking Criteria

2021-10-28 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
As you probably recall, back in The Day, we could bug vote. Sometimes I
miss The Day.
I considered the immeasurable harm I have done to keyboards, especially
mechanical ones. I loved some of those keyboards. They gave their lives for
some of those bugs.
I also considered the number of bottles of scotch and sake that were gifted
to me from employees who thought that "just a taste" would help me calm the
hell down.
So if I murdered a keyboard, but was consoled with a smooth nigori, the net
was 0 and the bug demoted on my list.

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>
> I liked the Ranked-Top-Ten format of this latest LC Bug Survey.
>
> Now I'm curious: not about WHICH bugs people submitted,
> but your CRITERIA for ranking them.
>
> (I assume that's OK to discuss already at this point;
> not mentioning any specific bugs or areas/features of LC.)
>
> For me, first I had a prerequisite:
>
> 0. Still a reproducible bug in latest LC 965rc2.
>
> (Because I didn't want to waste any of the ten slots
> with an open bug that's actually fixed.
> Found a few to retest and report if resolved.)
>
> Then, I used three ranking criteria:
>
> 1. Is there a good workaround?
> 2. Severity.
> 3. How many projects it affects.
>
> (I weighted no-good-workaround highest,
> then eyeballed severity and scope equally.)
>
> Wondering whether most people had criteria like this,
> or just went from the feel of it.
>
> I would welcome encore future LC Top-Ten surveys!
> Maybe I'll make a Bug Ranker stack later to encourage it.
>
> Best wishes,
>
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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

2021-10-27 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
hey, bob, inflation isn't that bad, yet. the extra ellipses on the end...
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ios app: "Error opening database: cannot set file protection"

2021-10-26 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Well, this is a new message that I can't seem to find a reference to: I
have an app that I've been working on for months. I did the first build of
it that I've done in a bit, and got that message:
Error opening database: cannot set file protection
After hitting "OK", the app quits.

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Re: Mud slinging versus genuine criticism

2021-10-25 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'm glad we have these sorts of discussions out in the open.
I hope there is not an appeal coming based on the lists that are submitted.
And even though this horse is dead, maybe some day we can have equal rights
for all items, especially the poor, empty ones. For those of you that don't
recall, the number of items in ",1" and the number of items in "1," are not
the same. Database records and CSV's continue to object.

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>
> > On 25 Oct 2021, at 14:54, Richmond via use-livecode:
>
> > genuine criticisms
>
> Every word!
> ‘Extremely intemperate’, maybe, but not without cause. Or, indeed,
> unconsidered. I had held off from commenting at all (to a number of posts
> in fact) while I considered my take on it.
>
> Sometimes a bit of ‘genuine’ (justified) mud gets lobbed along with the
> critique. You don’t have to agree with it. If any of it was false there are
> plenty of others here that could ‘prove’ it. However, here we are.
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Re: New MacBook Pro Display Notch

2021-10-19 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'm not sure this will be a problem, unless you are trying to display
something in the menubar, since that's where the notch is going to be.

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> I should have thought the simplest way round this problem was to work on
> the assumption that from now on
> ALL Apple displays will have a notch and "cut one's stack" to
> accommodate that.
>
> Of course this is only relevant to people who want to annoy end-users by
> providing full-screen window apps.
>
> On 19.10.21 11:55, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode wrote:
> > The new 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro models announced by Apple yesterday
> include a display notch to house the 1080P front facing camera. Clearly
> this may cause problems for apps that display content in the screen area
> occupied by the new notch.
> >
> > In response Apple has created a new “compatibility mode” for apps
> running on Macs with a notch. When this mode is active, the system changes
> the active area of the display to avoid the camera housing. This mode can
> be turned on/off by the user via a checkbox in the app’s get info panel or
> it can be activated or deactivated by the developer via a new ‘info.plist’
> key.
> >
> > Link to Apple developer documentation on how to turn on / off this mode
> using the new ‘info.plist’ key is below:
> >
> >
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/information_property_list/nsprefersdisplaysafeareacompatibilitymode
> >
> > Henry
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Re: "Unknown error." in LC when trying to test to connected ios device

2021-09-16 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
that ain't it. but i looked, just in case.

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> out what color chicken to sacrifice. The other day I encountered something
> similar to what you are describing that was a new one for me. (I don’t
> recall the exact issue because I encountered several and they are mixed up
> in my mind now.) But one error was actually the result of checking the
> "build for iOS” button but forgetting to uncheck the “build for Android”
> button. I was surprised that LC couldn’t figure that out based on the
> target device but, unchecking “build for Android” solved it. Hoping you
> find that it is something simple and not the chicken thing.
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> > On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> > Mac OS 11.5.2
> > LC 9.6.2
> > XCode 12.1
> > I choose a device from the Development->Test Target menu, then select
> > Development->Test
> > We get as far as the app getting signed, and then the error is thrown.
> > I'm pretty sure the certs and profiles are current, since I manually
> > removed them and then used XC to reinstall them.
> > Suggestions?
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"Unknown error." in LC when trying to test to connected ios device

2021-09-15 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Mac OS 11.5.2
LC 9.6.2
XCode 12.1
I choose a device from the Development->Test Target menu, then select
Development->Test
We get as far as the app getting signed, and then the error is thrown.
I'm pretty sure the certs and profiles are current, since I manually
removed them and then used XC to reinstall them.
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Re: Licensing model change

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'd also be curious how the new model compares to xojo

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 12:17 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> I was not paying that close attention to all the details. Did LC take the
> current community installer down? If they did not, then this act seems odd.
> If they did, then I am not surprised.
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 12:07 PM Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I see that some of "the community" have now uploaded dozens of the
>> installers from the old Livecode page to archive.org.
>>
>> https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22LiveCode%2C+Inc.%22
>>
>> I don't know what LC Ltd's thinking was in deleting the old pages, but
>> clearly some of "the community" are doing all they can to thwart LC Ltd.
>> The tragedy of the commons.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:49 PM doc hawk via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Kevin kayaked,
>> > >Look what happened to Open Office. It died because no one wanted to
>> work
>> > on it.
>> >
>> > ???
>> >
>> > The bulk of the developers bolted and formed LibreOffice from the OO
>> > codebase.  It’s alive and well--I just downloaded a new version this
>> > morning.
>> >
>> > It isn’t that OO faded or died, but that no-one liked the new overlords
>> > when Oracle acquired Sun.  The project itself is thriving under the new
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Re: Licensing model change

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I was not paying that close attention to all the details. Did LC take the
current community installer down? If they did not, then this act seems odd.
If they did, then I am not surprised.

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> I see that some of "the community" have now uploaded dozens of the
> installers from the old Livecode page to archive.org.
>
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22LiveCode%2C+Inc.%22
>
> I don't know what LC Ltd's thinking was in deleting the old pages, but
> clearly some of "the community" are doing all they can to thwart LC Ltd.
> The tragedy of the commons.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:49 PM doc hawk via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Kevin kayaked,
> > >Look what happened to Open Office. It died because no one wanted to work
> > on it.
> >
> > ???
> >
> > The bulk of the developers bolted and formed LibreOffice from the OO
> > codebase.  It’s alive and well--I just downloaded a new version this
> > morning.
> >
> > It isn’t that OO faded or died, but that no-one liked the new overlords
> > when Oracle acquired Sun.  The project itself is thriving under the new
> > name.
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Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I don't know how much of a difference the compiling/building makes. While
it is true that anyone who wants to "run an app" (even that's obviously
incorrect, since stacks <> apps) can just download the free version, there
is no way for that author to protect the source. Is that enough of an
incentive for someone to pay up - so they can build an app instead of
distributing an unlocked stack? I don't know. Will cutting them off from
tsNet, or building/distributing mobile/server/web matter? Again, dunno.
I am curious to know how much business any firm generates from either a
trial or from a free version - like how many people take a flier and then
decide to pay up as a result. My hunch is that more people grow from a free
version to a paid version than grow from a free trial to a paid version. I
think free trials are more like test drives.
At any rate, I'm hoping that LC can make money.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:52 AM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> True, true.
>
> There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack around but
> you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a programming
> IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other supporting files,
> SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I would not dismiss this
> out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an option.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
>
> Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free non-app
> building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just download that.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
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>
> On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael Kristensen via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there
>
> I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
>
> That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
>
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Re: Bye, and thanks for the fish

2021-09-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
@keith ok, so run the numbers

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 7:56 AM Keith Martin via use-livecode <
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> Unless someone’s hoarding gold that’s an interesting but not all that
> useful pricing comparison. I prefer the Big Mac Index (
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/
> <
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/>)
> and regular historical inflation/value charts. ;)
>
> However, yes, we do get a lot from LC.
>
> k
>
>
> > On 2 Sep 2021, at 09:38, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Over on the forum Kevin has been encouraging people to contact support
> with
> > any issues. Some are refusing to do so, making ridiculous demands in
> > response.
> >
> > Yesterday I had a look at the historical prices to see if LC was
> > significantly more expensive than Metacard:
> > 2001 - Metacard ($995)  [$288]
> > 2005 - Revolution Enterprise (£899) [£243]
> > 2021 - Livecode (3x distro platforms £720) [£1316]
> >
> > In square brackets behind each is [the price of an ounce of gold] (if
> > someone's got a better comparator, they can post it e.g. crude oil, pork
> > bellies, cost of an entry level Mac, etc).
> >
> > So Metacard cost 3 ounces of gold, Rev Enterprise cost 3.7 oz of gold,
> > today's Livecode equivalent costs 0.54 oz of gold.  Even if one adds all
> 7
> > of the distro platforms (3 of which certainly didn't exist in 2005), a
> full
> > Livecode license costs just over 1oz of gold, so between 1/3rd of the
> price
> > of 15 years ago (or as little as 1/6th the price of Metacard).
> Objectively
> > speaking, the customer today gets so much more for so much less.  Apart
> > from those who have been used to getting something for free.
> >
> > It was only this time last year I stated how amazing it was that Livecode
> > manages all the complexity of producing software that runs on so many
> > divergent platforms (I was navigating the version compatibilities of
> Xcode,
> > Android Studio, MacOS, iOS, AndroidOS, Windows OS, and Livecode), not to
> > mention producing two different versions of Livecode (free and
> > commercial).  Something had to give.
> >
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Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

2021-09-01 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
You could always get at the IDE. You still can. Hopefully that won't
change, because there are plenty of times where something is broken and it
takes forever to get it fixed.

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> I’m afraid I have to agree with Andre that if people didn’t contribute
> before, with Livecode Ltd. overseeing the process, they’re not going to
> now.  A large part of the problem is that there just aren’t very many of us
> with the time and skills to make contributions to the engine.
>
> Like Sean, I’m wondering about the status of LCB and widgets. This seemed
> like a considerable effort to facilitate community contributions and it
> would be unfortunate not to leverage this somehow going forward. If this
> architecture were to remain and be enhanced perhaps the company could offer
> discounts on subscriptions in exchange for contributions. Maybe a dedicated
> section of the forums listing and discussing features that might be added.
> Also, why not keep the IDE “open” in some sense?  If a little more guidance
> were provided on the design of the IDE I think there are a lot of us that
> have the scripting skills to improve it.
>
> Some ideas along these lines might have more chance of success than a “go
> it alone” community open source effort.
>
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
>
> > On Sep 1, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The main reasons I stopped contributing were:
> > No easy support for LiveCode script as it was all in binary so versioning
> > was non-existent.
> > Life cycle between a pull request, merge and deployment
> >
> > The dictionary was the only place I was able to properly contribute. But
> it
> > still sucked a lot. And was inconsistent between the Doc Viewer and the
> Doc
> > panel in the script editor. I kind-of got fed up with all of it. The new
> AI
> > thing is cool. But it would be good to have a good portal for submitting
> > updates and improving the quality of the Guide/Dictionary.
> >
> > Liking where LC10 is heading. I was an outspoken naysayer of Open
> Sourcing.
> > TBH, I didn't understand the need. I liked it a bit more when it
> happened.
> > I definitely liked peeking into the core and getting a better
> understanding
> > of how stuff like the datagrid worked and other bits and bobs.
> >
> > But I am happier now it's gone back into the hands of LCLtd. It makes
> much
> > more sense.
> >
> > I'd be interested to know if a new SDK is being implemented if it's now
> no
> > longer open source. Or if Widgets and LCB will remain the main way in
> > (which is probably fine).
> >
> > Sean
> > *Pi *
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 13:26, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> People had eight years to contribute to the community edition, and they
> >> didn't. I don't think people would now start caring for and devoting the
> >> necessary energy to maintain the community edition. It is because people
> >> didn't organise and contribute that this recent change happened.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 12:56, David Bovill via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here are my thoughts on this - and a request.
> >>>
> >>> Yes - it’s not a surprising move by Livecode Ltd - they were clearly
> >>> struggling supporting the community aspect and taking the language to
> the
> >>> next level and they need more revenue to do that.
> >>>
> >>> The question is (for my part at least) - what to do about this.
> >> Personally
> >>> I have never seen a future for a closed source language, and the
> >> projects I
> >>> work on will not fund. Projects developed in closed source - especially
> >> by
> >>> a small company. So I have a choice, switch language, or look to
> continue
> >>> with developing with the community edition and help build an open
> source
> >>> community around that. The former (switching languages) is relatively
> >> easy,
> >>> the latter a lot of work.
> >>>
> >>> I’m happy to have a company like Livecode Ltd create closed source
> >>> products  that I can use, so how to have both an open source language,
> >> and
> >>> the ability to work with closed source products developed by Livecode
> >> Ltd?
> >>> As I see it the only option is for those interested in the community to
> >>> take control and responsibility for the core language.
> >>>
> >>> There are a number of options with regard to future language
> development,
> >>> that would put the language on an even par with other open source
> >>> languages, and there are also new ways to finance such initiatives. It
> >>> would be valuable to get together as a community and discuss those.
> >>>
> >>> How about having a community conference to look at what is possible? We
> >>> can do this online and showcase new and existing open source projects
> and
> >>> 

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Extending on something Bernd said, I would hope the gang will consider is
keeping portions that are built upon the engine OSS, even with a
restrictive commercial license.
Something else for all of us to remember, when LC went OSS, there was a
reason, and at least part of that was financial.
As with every time LC makes a move and the hope comes out, here's hoping
that this move will be great.

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>
>
> > On 1 Sep 2021, at 11:26 am, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > There you had a group of programmers who supposedly loved what
> > HyperCard could do, but they only loved that concept as a historical
> > artefact, not as a tool available to people now.
>
> Abso-frogging-lutely.
>
> The really interesting questions are “why?"  and “Is there anything we
> could do about it?”
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Don't forget the discount for however long that's good for

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> Now I have to work out the new maze of pricing!
>
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 17:07, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
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> > here is the announcement: https://livecode.org/
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Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I did not mean that we could get it to another firm for commercial use, I
meant that we could potentially limp through, ourselves, with the exception
of the pieces that were not OSS'd.
Most of the time when we ask for source escrow, the fees are insane, if the
developer will even discuss it.

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> So I am disappointed that the code will not be out in the open in
> the event of a business failure
>
> The GPL open source license we used never provided this sort of protection
> due to the terms of the GPL. For that reason, we continued to sell source
> code escrow licenses to some commercial users, even as an open source
> company.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
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Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I just read and watched Kevin's announcement about LC licensing.
The value for us in the OSS license was simply a greater level of assurance
that there would be longevity in the event that LC the company failed, as
the source was still there for someone else to pick up. I think that's how
MC -> RR.
So I am disappointed that the code will not be out in the open in the event
of a business failure, however, I'm also respectful of the need for more
revenue.
I will leave it to others to discuss the failure of LC to deliver x,y,z and
how that plays into the situation.
I am also not privy to a recent P/L, so I am in a bad position to opine on
what they should do or prioritize.

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what is the point of aps.cer?

2021-07-26 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
in the new APNS regime, you have to create an aps.cer file, but it does not
seem like it is ever used in APNS. You use your .k8 file to do the work,
and i don't see the aps.cer file being bundled or otherwise accessed,
afterwards. you don't compile your app with it, either.

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Re: could not find a valid identity to use for the selected profile - again

2021-07-19 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I missed the step for clicking on "My Certificates" in the bottom left
(Category) pane.
Yes, I see a private key, there.
Downloading the new AWDRIC fixed it - which is interesting, because
double-clicking on that cert did not prompt me to install it in keychain
access.

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> Hello Mike,
>
> If you click on the certificate entry in the Keychain Access to expand it,
> you should see a private key entry, like in this screenshot (highlighted in
> green):
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p71p5e5fbbnqu19/Screenshot%202021-07-19%20at%2018.48.31.png?dl=0
>
> Do you see a private key?
>
> If yes, it might be worth downloading the latest Apple Worldwide Developer
> Relations Intermediate Certificate from here:
> https://www.apple.com/certificateauthority/AppleWWDRCAG3.cer
>
> More details about this: https://developer.apple.com/support/expiration/
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
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> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 18:26, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing, because this is going
> > to come up, again, and someone is going to read this thread trying to
> > figure it out.
> > The provisioning profile for this app is platform ios, type development
> > In keychain access, I pulled up "iphone developer", a cert I created
> today
> > (and expires in a year) while trying to debug this issue. To create
> that, I
> > used the developer portal - so I just uploaded a CSR and downloaded the
> > cert.
> > In that cert, there is no "private key" section that I can see. There is
> a
> > "public key" section, and a variety of extensions, along
> > with "fingerprints" at the bottom
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:08 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Mike,
> > >
> > > In the KeyChain Access app, if you click in your certificate and you
> > expand
> > > it, do you see a private key? If a private key is missing, then this
> is
> > > the culprit.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Panos
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> > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 17:29, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am at a loss, this morning, to debug this, because it's not like i
> > have
> > > > not dealt with this issue repeatedly in the last ten years
> > > > lc 9.6.0
> > > > xc 11.4
> > > > I removed my certs from the keychain and my profiles from the
> profiles
> > > > folder
> > > > i used xc to download the profiles
> > > > checked the standalone application settings to make sure the correct
> > > > profile is selected
> > > > i also checked push settings to make sure that the certificate is
> > current
> > > > and that the settings are the same
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Re: could not find a valid identity to use for the selected profile - again

2021-07-19 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing, because this is going
to come up, again, and someone is going to read this thread trying to
figure it out.
The provisioning profile for this app is platform ios, type development
In keychain access, I pulled up "iphone developer", a cert I created today
(and expires in a year) while trying to debug this issue. To create that, I
used the developer portal - so I just uploaded a CSR and downloaded the
cert.
In that cert, there is no "private key" section that I can see. There is a
"public key" section, and a variety of extensions, along
with "fingerprints" at the bottom

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:08 AM panagiotis m via use-livecode <
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> Hello Mike,
>
> In the KeyChain Access app, if you click in your certificate and you expand
> it, do you see a private key? If a private key is missing, then this  is
> the culprit.
>
> Kind regards
> Panos
> --
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> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 17:29, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I am at a loss, this morning, to debug this, because it's not like i have
> > not dealt with this issue repeatedly in the last ten years
> > lc 9.6.0
> > xc 11.4
> > I removed my certs from the keychain and my profiles from the profiles
> > folder
> > i used xc to download the profiles
> > checked the standalone application settings to make sure the correct
> > profile is selected
> > i also checked push settings to make sure that the certificate is current
> > and that the settings are the same
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could not find a valid identity to use for the selected profile - again

2021-07-19 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I am at a loss, this morning, to debug this, because it's not like i have
not dealt with this issue repeatedly in the last ten years
lc 9.6.0
xc 11.4
I removed my certs from the keychain and my profiles from the profiles
folder
i used xc to download the profiles
checked the standalone application settings to make sure the correct
profile is selected
i also checked push settings to make sure that the certificate is current
and that the settings are the same
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Re: bordercolor of buttons

2021-06-09 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
i wish we had tmc3

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 10:09 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi all,
>
> looks like there is a (related) report already:
> 
>
> > Am 09.06.2021 um 14:49 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Klaus,
> >
> > Very much a 'feature' in heavy inverted commas. I've tested as far back
> as
> > 5.0.2 and it has ALWAYS been this way. Round rect button borders are set
> > using the forecolor, not the border colour. If this were a 'bug' I'm sure
> > it would have been noted as such somewhere in the quality sub-site. It is
> > not a 'feature' that seems intuitive or even correct, but it is the way
> it
> > has always operated until now. Some 'incorrect' functionality just has to
> > remain the same to maintain the status quo. I, for one, however, would
> > prefer it if it were made consistent with other buttons. It is not clear
> > 'why' it is the way it is.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 09:09, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >>> Am 09.06.2021 um 05:35 schrieb Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Like Sean points out, this is caused by the “threeD” property being on.
> >>
> >> I was not talking about a button with its 3D is ON!
> >> Is nobody reading what I write?
> >>
> >> Create a button of type "roundrect"
> >> Uncheck 3D
> >> Set its BORDERCOLOR
> >> No change in bordercolor
> >>
> >> Switch that buttons STYLE to "rectangle"
> >> Et voila, now we can see the bordercolor!
> >>
> >> Switch STYLE back to "roundrect" and if we now change the
> FOREGROUNDCOLOR
> >> that will also affect the BORDER.
> >>
> >> I do not need a workaround, I just want to know if this is a bug or
> >> feature!
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>> I totally agree that setting the "Border Color" Property would be much
> >> easier though.
> >>
> >> So you also think this is not working as exspected, right? 8-)
> >>
> >>> Paul
> >>
> >>>
>  On 7Jun, 2021, at 7:53 AM, ELS Prothero via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  Folks,
>  This issue also confused me recently when I was making an app for my
> >> own use. It seems like an idiosyncrasy to me, even tho a pretty minor
> one
> >> that could be mentioned in the dictionary.
>  Best,
>  Bill
> 
>  William Prothero
>  https://earthlearningsolutions.org
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> >> Am 06.06.2021 um 23:40 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Klaus,
> >> Forecolor IS the border color. It always has been for shapes
> including
> >> circles, polygons and custom shapes.
> >
> > yes, but I was clearly referring to a button.
> >
> >> Buttons have a bordercolor property but only visible if 3d is off.
> >
> > AND if they are not "roundrect"!
> > Then the BORDERCOLOR does nto work!
> > It does if you switch to e.g. "rectangle".
> >
> > And that was puzzling me a bit. 8-)
> >
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 at 14:20, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi friends,
> >>>
> >>> bug or feature?
> >>>
> >>> I have a "roundrect" button and cannot set its BORDERCOLOR!?
> >>> I have to set the FOREGROUNDCOLOR which also affects its
> BORDERCOLOR.
> >>>
> >>> This is not the case if I set the buttons type to e.g. "rectangle",
> >> then
> >>> the before set BORDERCOLOR will be displayed
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: lock messages and navigation bar widget

2021-05-21 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
"hilitedChanged" is currently the only message sent to the navbar
search the how list for "navbar pre hilitechanged" from a couple of weeks
ago, when I dealt with a similar issue.

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> Yes, I was impacted the same way a while back.  The lockMessages
> dictionary entry lists the messages that get locked and it is smaller than
> I expected.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 21, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> >> Am 21.05.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Works as expected/coded.
> >
> > hm, I had the naive thinking that "lock messages" would erm. lock the
> messages. und just change the icon. :-D
> > But this does obviously not apply to the navigation bar widget.
> >
> >> Not sure how it would be changed (don’t know how to get to that state
> inside the widget).
> >
> > OK, I just thought I was missing something.
> >
> >> Anyway, to work with this you need to have your handler check to see if
> it needs to run.  Pretty easy if using it to navigate between cards.  If
> already on the destination card, then exit the handler.
> >> Another way is to set a flag to skip the change handler before manually
> making the change in code.  Then when the handler starts, check for the
> flag before continuing.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> >
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Re: Implementing UNDO

2021-05-21 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
fyi, for posterity, here is the link to the wiki for levure's undo manager
helper
https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki/helper-undo_manager

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM David Epstein via use-livecode <
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> LC’s built in undo does not appear to undo anything done by something I
> have scripted.
> My approach is to use a global array variable “u” to store information
> needed to undo the most recent action.  On each action, an “undoInit” puts
> empty into u, after (if necessary) cleaning up anything u’s values indicate
> is left over from the prior action (e.g., actually deleting an object that
> had been only “pseudo-deleted” (hidden) so as to make the user’s choice of
> deletion undoable).  Then the appropriate new values are loaded into u.
> The main elements I use are
>
> # u["cardID"] = short id of the card where the undoable action was taken
> # u["stackName"] = short name of the stack where the undoable action was
> taken
> # u["changed"], list of objects being changed, each line has:
> propName,objectID
> # u[propName,objectID] holds prior value of that property of that object
> (one key/value for each line of u["changed"]
> # u["removed"], list of objectID,cardID,stackName for objects being
> pseudo-removed
> # u["added"], list of objectID,cardID,stackName for objects being added
> # u["cardsRemoved"], list of cards being pseudo-removed, each line has:
> cardID,cardNumber
> # u["cardsAdded"], list of cards being added, each line has:
> cardID,cardNumber
>
> The “Undo” command makes sure we’re on card id u[“cardID”] of stack
> u[“stackName”}, then checks for non-empty values of
> u[“changed”],u[“removed”],u[“added”],u{“cardsRemoved”], and
> u[“cardsAdded”], and uses values stored in u to restore the prior state of
> things, while reloading u with values reporting the state of things now
> being reversed.
>
> For text, I load u[“changed”] with “htmlText”,, and load
> u[“htmlText”,] with the htmlText of that field before the latest
> editing.
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Re: Implementing UNDO

2021-05-21 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I _think_ that there might also be an undo manager built into levure, if
you are interested.

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:20 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi Craig,
>
> > Am 21.05.2021 um 15:12 schrieb Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Klaus.
> >
> > What are you doing here on the dark side??
>
> Oh, come on!
>
> > Do you mean something like this, with a field and a button?  in the card
> script:
> >
> > on textChanged
> > set the currentText of this cd to fld 1
> > end textChanged
> >
> > on undoText
> > get the currentText of this cd
> > delete the last word of it
> > set the text of fld 1 to it
> > set the currentText of this cd to it
> > end undoText
> >
> > and in the button:
> > on mouseUp
> >  undoText
> > end mouseUp
>
> OK, something like this, but for graphics, images etc., too. 8-)
> Some general hints will be OK.
>
> Except for TEXT I don't have a clue yet.
> Maybe store "the properties of xyz" and re-apply them when the user hits
> CMD-Z?
>
> > Craig
> >
> >> On May 21, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi friends,
> >>
> >> any hints on how to implement some UNDO mechanism into a LC standalone?
> >> The stack(s) in question will not only handle TEXT...
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: XCode command line tools 12

2021-05-20 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I disagree with not putting it in your applications folder. What I will do,
instead, is rename the folder to "XCode"+version

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> This has worked for me.
>
> 1) Never upgrade or install Xcode from the app store.
> 2) Download from developer site.
> 3) NEVER put xcode.app in the Applications folder.
> 4) I made a new folder with all the Xcode versions I need. Rename every
> download with a version number suffix.
> 5) Open up downloaded versions after rename. This will finish the
> installation.
> 6) Now for the magic at command prompt:
> This will show what tools LC will use for building==> xcode-select
> --print-path
> This will set the tools that LC will use for building==> sudo xcpde-slect
> -switch "path to xcode.app version to build with"
>
> You will see if the version of Xcode is supported on your version of Mac OS
> when doing step 5 above.
> In setting On the "mobile support" pane of prefs you can add several
> version
> of Xcode to support older simulators and sdks
>
> I have Xcode 8.2.1, 9.2, 10.1 and 11.3.1 on my Mojave Mac. This give me
> 10.2,11.2,21.1 and 13.1 simulators.
>
> I will be upgrading to Catalina shortly. Why, because I have to...
>
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: LiveCode Mailing List
> Cc: J. Landman Gay
> Subject: XCode command line tools 12
>
> I'm still debating what to do about XCode on a Mojave machine. Couple of
> questions:
>
> 1. LC says to use 12.1 but the latest command line tools are 12.5. Is 12.1
> specifically required or is a newer version okay? 12.1 was a GM seed but
> was
> quickly updated to 12.2.
>
> 2. The main question: I've downloaded the tools manually and I could run
> the
> package installer to install them. What would happen if I install the 12.x
> tools on a Mojave machine?
>
> Could I rename the old folder, install the new tools, and if it breaks, put
> the old folder back? Does anyone know if this will work, or do I need to
> make the plunge and see what happens?
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Re: navbar pre hiliteChanged

2021-05-13 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
memo for the next person who discovers this thread:
1. as has been previously discussed in other threads, the navigation bar
receives the hiliteChanged message even if the hilite does not change
(which happens when the user taps on the currently hilited segment)
2. in my testing in 9.6.x, if you set/reset the hilitedItem or the
hilitedItemName early enough in the handler, most of the time that will
take effect before the screen redraws, so the user will not see the blink
from the original tap. it's not perfect, but it might be good enough.

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 12:47 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> How do you handle the situation where a user taps on the navBar but you
> want to intercept and cancel it?
> Example: User clicks on the navBar to switch cards, but there is an error
> on the existing card, so the navigation and the hilite changing should be
> stopped.
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navbar pre hiliteChanged

2021-05-13 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
How do you handle the situation where a user taps on the navBar but you
want to intercept and cancel it?
Example: User clicks on the navBar to switch cards, but there is an error
on the existing card, so the navigation and the hilite changing should be
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Re: 9.6.0 simulator issue

2021-05-07 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
otay, let's see:
quitting LC and restarting seems to get it over the hump.

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:41 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> what do you mean - reloaded as in reinstalled xcode or just restarted LC?
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:39 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I have seen this problem as well, rebooted, reloaded everything and it
>> worked. You might want to try that. Simulator first, then load the app and
>> try the Test button.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> > On May 7, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Since 9.6.2 is giving me issues, I decided to try the simulator in
>> 9.6.0.
>> > That is giving me
>> > "Unable to start simulator: 634,0,0,unknown
>> > C++ exception
>> > 573,263,1,revPhoneSetSimulatorSDK"
>> >
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Re: 9.6.0 simulator issue

2021-05-07 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
what do you mean - reloaded as in reinstalled xcode or just restarted LC?

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> Hi Mike,
>
> I have seen this problem as well, rebooted, reloaded everything and it
> worked. You might want to try that. Simulator first, then load the app and
> try the Test button.
>
> Mark
>
> > On May 7, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Since 9.6.2 is giving me issues, I decided to try the simulator in 9.6.0.
> > That is giving me
> > "Unable to start simulator: 634,0,0,unknown
> > C++ exception
> > 573,263,1,revPhoneSetSimulatorSDK"
> >
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9.6.0 simulator issue

2021-05-07 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Since 9.6.2 is giving me issues, I decided to try the simulator in 9.6.0.
That is giving me
"Unable to start simulator: 634,0,0,unknown
C++ exception
573,263,1,revPhoneSetSimulatorSDK"

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9.6.2 rc5/xcode 12.1 ipad simulator

2021-05-07 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'm getting an error when trying to fire up the simulator:
"Booting available device failed with error:  Boot a device"
In case I was missing a simulator, I fired up XC and then made sure that
the ios simulator for 14.0 was installed, but no joy.

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Re: dg with native controls in template

2021-05-01 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
The layering was what I was concerned about, too.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 1:24 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
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> I’m going to say that with the way the DG manages controls it would be an
> uphill battle to get something native to work.  One of the native widgets
> may work, but I have not purchased that set to test it out.  The one
> potential issue would be layers.  Since native controls layer on top of LC
> controls, if the control was supposed to be partially visible it may be
> fully visible (not sure if the group would clip it properly).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > not a terrible idea.
> > We could probably also just set the hilite of a row.
> > Something I've never tried: different hilite colors based on values in
> the
> > rows...
> >
> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You can put an SVG Icon or a graphic image into a DG column, would
> either
> >> of those work? Then you just need to script the behaviour of the widget
> or
> >> graphic when it’s tapped on. I do something similar with check and
> uncheck
> >> SVG icons.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Let's say we want to have a scrolling area, like a DG, and we want one
> of
> >>> the columns in that thing to be a native radio button on mobile, which
> we
> >>> can activate with touch.
> >>> I'm not aware of a way to do that in LC at present.
> >>> Yes?
> >>> No?
> >>> Maybe so?
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Re: dg with native controls in template

2021-04-30 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
not a terrible idea.
We could probably also just set the hilite of a row.
Something I've never tried: different hilite colors based on values in the
rows...

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
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> You can put an SVG Icon or a graphic image into a DG column, would either
> of those work? Then you just need to script the behaviour of the widget or
> graphic when it’s tapped on. I do something similar with check and uncheck
> SVG icons.
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let's say we want to have a scrolling area, like a DG, and we want one of
> > the columns in that thing to be a native radio button on mobile, which we
> > can activate with touch.
> > I'm not aware of a way to do that in LC at present.
> > Yes?
> > No?
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