Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

2021-02-24 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Tough to let you know my results if none of us have your script . . .

Best, Richmond.

On 24.02.21 5:19, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.

I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
a different email address with another message.

It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.

I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
subject line.

I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
well for everyone else then I know it’s something
wrong with my computer.

Please let me know your results.

Thanks,

Rick



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Re: [OT] Poll: What does it mean for 1 rect to be 'within' a certain distance of another rect?

2021-02-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Sorry: I have moved over here:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=35407

as I believe a picture is worth a thousand words:

Richmond.

On 16.02.21 1:13, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
I think the natural definition would be distance between the 
respective boundaries; i.e., edge to edge distance, but also the 
distance between corners. That is, if any of r1's corners is d 
distance from any one of r2's closest corners.


On 2/15/21 4:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
This is an Off Topic informal poll of sorts, but related to LiveCode 
as I am writing a LiveCode expression to determine if 2 arbitrary 
rectangles (r1,r2) are with some distance d (in px) of one another. 
In considering this problem, the questions comes up: What is meant by 
rectangles being within a distance d of one another. What is the 'd' 
measured from?


center to center? Easiest is many ways, but I don't think this is 
what most people would think of.


adjacent edge to adjacent edge? This is harder (I think), but I think 
this is what more people intuitively think of. To me, implicit in the 
visual concept of 2 rects being within some distance of one another 
is that they are NOT overlapping, but that some gap exists between 
the nearest adjacent edges?


Something else? What does 2 rects  being 'within' d pixels of one 
another mean to you, if not one of the two above options?


Maybe there is a exact mathematical definition of what 2 rectangles 
being within distance d of one another is, but, if there is, I am 
unfamiliar with it.



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Re: [OT] Poll: What does it mean for 1 rect to be 'within' a certain distance of another rect?

2021-02-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I would go for the distance between edges, although I can see the 
Mathematical wobbly bits you

are going to have to jump through.

Richmond.

On 16.02.21 0:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
This is an Off Topic informal poll of sorts, but related to LiveCode 
as I am writing a LiveCode expression to determine if 2 arbitrary 
rectangles (r1,r2) are with some distance d (in px) of one another. In 
considering this problem, the questions comes up: What is meant by 
rectangles being within a distance d of one another. What is the 'd' 
measured from?


center to center? Easiest is many ways, but I don't think this is what 
most people would think of.


adjacent edge to adjacent edge? This is harder (I think), but I think 
this is what more people intuitively think of. To me, implicit in the 
visual concept of 2 rects being within some distance of one another is 
that they are NOT overlapping, but that some gap exists between the 
nearest adjacent edges?


Something else? What does 2 rects  being 'within' d pixels of one 
another mean to you, if not one of the two above options?


Maybe there is a exact mathematical definition of what 2 rectangles 
being within distance d of one another is, but, if there is, I am 
unfamiliar with it.



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Re: LC Roadmap

2021-02-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I don't want any headaches, but as I develop on Macintosh and Linux B4X 
is no good.


On 14.02.21 17:29, e.beugelaar--- via use-livecode wrote:

https://www.b4x.com if u dont want headaches.

Get Outlook for Android


From: use-livecode  on behalf of Curry 
Kenworthy via use-livecode 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 11:31:47 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
Cc: Curry Kenworthy 
Subject: Re: LC Roadmap


JeeJeeStudio:

  > I like Livecode a lot, but it has it's limitations,
  > lot of bugs are not solved.

True. Would be more accurate with "yet" added; solving bugs is ongoing!
We could also say that many bugs HAVE been solved. Moderate progress.
(I know, having been on the front lines of the bug-reporting battle.)

I attribute bug density to dev strategy during the "Great Refactoring."
Good: Kickstarter project threw money/man-hours at LC to achieve a lot.
Bad: Code quality was mediocre; lots of bugs introduced at that time.
(We are STILL finding and reporting LC 7 and 8 bugs.)

Problem: Digging out from under myriad bugs takes big money/man-hours.
Meanwhile: Platforms, especially Apple and Mobile, are moving targets.

Traditional solution: Use a new campaign, like FM, for cashflow.
Underlying philosophy: Quality = energy/money/time.
Potential weakness: History could repeat itself. New code quality??

My proposed solution: Decrease net bugs with more careful coding.
Underlying philosophy: New code should be good code. (Almost zero-sum.)
Potential weakness: Too late for the Refactoring; only useful from now.

  > Livecode is great! Don't misunderstand and it learns a lot of
  > people to program. But it runs behind future facts.

Some truth there too, but it misses a (gigantic) point. In fact, two:

A. A good IDE is not ONLY about features, bugs, and platforms.
B. LC's benefit is not ONLY about being easy to learn. (When it is.)

If that's the only reason you're here, you don't understand LC!

And you're not the only one. Even those at the top have missed it.
Raney failed to see it: He considered MC a stepping stone to C.
LC Ltd also missed part of it: many unique benefits under-promoted.
And the way some features are added CONTRADICTS the LC paradigm.

LiveCode - and the legacy of HyperCard - is not Just Another IDE.
People have usually failed miserably at explaining the magic.
("Easy English-like language?" Way too vague! Also missing the point.)
Too few good analyses, too much parroting weak/transient slogans.

I intend to do a bit myself in that area soon, explaining what HC/LC is.
(I had health/energy problems, thus some detractors, but they'll see!)
The unique strengths of LC paradigm -yes, paradigm- deserve attention.
That's why I'm making it a point to be more active on this list.

That paradigm is why many of us are here: not just a handy-dandy tool.
It's a worldview of how to code - which should be updated not discarded.
This paradigm has extreme value; likely more than even LC Ltd realizes.
That's why I'm making it a point to be more active on this list!

Growing the audience again requires understanding/promoting that value.
You can't just swap in any XYZ tool/language for LC. It ain't the same!
Nor is success ONLY about winning the feature and platform arms race.
That, but so much more. Paradigm is key. It has been neglected too long.

We must MAKE THE CASE for LC. Some have tried (thanks!) but not enough.
I feel paradigm is equally important to explain to LC Ltd, as to users.

  > HTML5 is a drag in LC, unusable, to play ok, to really use no way..

Not much argument there! Hopefully good things coming.

  > And next to it I'm learning Flutter platform with Dart
  > as main language, it's free, it's the future

Thanks for sharing that. It looks pretty good.
However, really the future? Maybe not!
End of LC? "Hell no!" :D

(At least, if LC Ltd play their hand well.)

Again, there's #1. Paradigm - more on that soon, when I have time.
But also several other factors in play:

2. Current and future tech changes; you ain't seen nothing yet!
3. Mega corp competition; Apple & others will frequently reinvent.
4. Tech giant control; Silicon Valley oversteps, people will push back.
5. Corporations are good at innovation, also good at screwing up.

The control factor might bite Google and Apple soon:
should I build there, when Powers That Be can pull the plug anytime?
Increasingly, the big guys don't follow their own rules; it's arbitrary.

Tip: they just love control, whether visual fashion trends or ideology.
What they encourage one year may become a "sin" the next. (Hi, Apple!)
Very often it's simply dollars and cents; more control means more fees.

Meanwhile, you're at the mercy of their tech whims.
Whatever they think should be the new trend, you must do.
Modern corporate strategy is to reinvent for profit; relentless change.

Factor #5 is also big for me. Remember how Google would "fix" search?
They "fixed" it alright! They killed it; try 

Re: LC Roadmap

2021-02-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I've said something to that effect earlier, at which point I was jumped 
all over.


So, because I don't want to be jumped all over again, and because
saying the 'roadmap' needs to be updated will have no effect (didn't the 
last 3 times),

I'm NOT stating what I think.

Love. kisses, and other things,

Richmond.

On 12.02.21 14:12, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

see subject -> Last Updated on July 14, 2020
I think it is time to update the roadmap, what do you think?


Best

Klaus
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Re: No visual effects on Big Sur?

2021-02-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

No joy over here:

LC 9.6.2 RC 2 / macOS 11.3 Beta 1

But this does work this way:

LC 8.2.0 DP 2 / macOS 11.3 Beta 1

So the problem may not lie with macOS.

On 7.02.21 15:42, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

That is strange. As it worked for you Sean, what machine are you on? But, as we 
have several of us where it doesn’t work I filed a bug anyway:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23085

:-Håkan
On 7 Feb 2021, 05:12 +0100, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
, wrote:

Hi all,
I just tested here in BigSur 11.2 and they work fine in both the IDE and
standalone. The only ones that do not work are the core image transitions
(with the exception of dissolve which, although having the same name, does
not appear to use the CI version of the effect).

I made a simple default stack with one button with this code:

on mouseUp pButtonNumber
lock screen for visual effect
set the backcolor of this card to (line random(552) of colornames())
unlock screen with visual effect "dissolve"
end mouseUp

The standalone was set with all the default parameters and auto inclusions.

Sean

On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 at 18:16, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hakan:
I get the same thing. Big Sur, livecode version LC 9.6.2 (rc2). It was
working on previous versions.

Yes, please file a bug report.

Bill


On Feb 5, 2021, at 10:55 PM, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Running LC 9.6.2 (rc2) on macOS Big Sur I have no visual effects that

work. None! Is there anyone else having the same experience, or is it just
my setup? I have tried to wipe every RunRev/LiveCode file in the Library
and in the applications folder and then reinstall but still no luck. Also
tried older (stable versions) with no luck, but that was before wiping
every file out of existence.

Can anyone else running Big Sur confirm before I file a bug-report?

:-Håkan
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Re: background images

2021-01-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Just import an image for a card and set its level to 1: no 'nonsense' about
background images at all.

Richmond.

On 19.01.21 2:44, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
Right, which is why this is so confusing. I do not want a 'shared 
text' image.
Each card should keep it's own unique image, but when I change the 
image on one card, all the cards end up with the same image. That is 
what I want to fix.


Tim Selander

On 2021.01.19 3:21, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Tim,

Am 18.01.2021 um 19:12 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
:


This is driving me nuts.

Have a 'background' group with an image. If I change the filename of 
an image on one card, ALL the cards change to that image. Yet a 
field in the same group properly will take unique values for each card.


I know I've done this before... what setting am I missing??
Dropbox link to test stack: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r0ku3fw2i2pen7/test.livecode?dl=0


fields can have a "sharedtext" property, so they can hold different 
text on each card if part of a group.

Images can NOT!


Any help appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


Best

Klaus

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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

https://www.mediastorehouse.co.uk/pimage/164/4418216/4418216_450_450_81393_0_fill_0_e37e7951f24a5587cf10b5e3ccda4347.jpg

On 14.01.21 23:29, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:

this cheesehead is here since 2014 

Op 14-1-2021 om 03:45 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
You are new here, so I will just say that among the forbidden topics 
on this list, sex, politics, religion (pretty much everything that 
really matters in this world) is the subject of cheese. Consider 
yourself notified. ;-)


Bob S


On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:15 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
wrote:


Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, 
although

in China they don't mind that.

Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:


JeeJeeStudio:

One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
is still present.

I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.

Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), torture,
gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial crackdowns,
thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
list could go on for many pages.

I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which probably
have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
rights are respected.

(I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to it.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

2021-01-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Supercard is no longer very super (remember playing around with it in 1994)
as it is 32-bit MacOS only.

Richmond.

On 14.01.21 12:53, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

I paid for the Windows version of SuperCard that was advertised in MacUser for 
some considerable time in the ?mid 90s.  I waited, and waited, and waited….


On 13 Jan 2021, at 8:00 pm, Michael Kristensen via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Richard Gaskin wrote:


We've been here before...

68k -> PPC
Classic -> OS X
PPC -> Intel
32-bit -> 64-bit


More form memory-land:

Yesterday I downloaded SuperCard 4.8.1 Trail wich still is maintained.

I was able to convert some 30 years old SC stacks so they could run again (at 
least for 30 days).

It look exactly like when I left it for Revolution and Livecode.

Richard, you might be the first person I ever emailed to, back then when we had 
telephone modems (ky)

Michael
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Hmm: Down our way (Bulgaria), we can buy 'Gouda' that is made in Germany,
so that protection (considering Bulgaria is in the EU) looks a bit dicky.

On 13.01.21 23:15, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:

Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, although
in China they don't mind that.

Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:


JeeJeeStudio:

  > One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
  > buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
  > is still present.

I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.

Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), torture,
gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial crackdowns,
thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
list could go on for many pages.

I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which probably
have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
rights are respected.

(I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to it.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

As

get the length of audioClip "M9.wav"

crashes LiveCode

I wonder of there is a way to determine the length of audioClips reliably?

Richmond.
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Hmm: Yes, I do work occasionally on a couple of G5 iMac I have lying 
around, and, more often, a G4 Mac Mini
(a lovely machine I can shove in my bag and run back and forth between 
home and work): BUT, to tell the  truth,
at the moment my main work is spread between a 2018 Mac Mini (the last 
INTEL model) running macOS 11.2 and an ASUS

laptop running Xubuntu 20.10.

Apple, like Microsoft, is a profoundly undemocratic institution. This 
should not matter if the 'great dictator' is
truly 'great' (and even the sainted Steve Jobs has feet of clay); but 
those types of dictators only crop up in places

like Plato's Laws and fairy stories.

When I read Plato's Laws I got an ENTIRELY different picture from all 
those 'leisurely chats' between Socrates

and his chums.

A company with no checks and balances, and that doesn't listen to its 
customers, is going to have more than the

odd wonky moment.

Currently the 'great dictator' of my company (me) is listening to the 
Bulgarian Ministry of Education, the parents
of children who attend my language school, 3 trustworthy doctors, my 
assistant, and so on: as not sure when
to stop delivering online classes and restart in the physical school, or 
whether to provide a 'mixed service' with
both online and 'offline' classes (also known as logistical hell). 
Obviously if I don't listen AND act on what I hear

in a way that keeps the majority happy, I'm shafted.

All I can say, with a smile on my lips, is "Thank God" I only have 50 
kids to worry about.


Richmond.

On 10.01.21 0:34, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Me:

> I'm planning to get an M1 Mac this year

Naturally, right after I post this, Apple makes headlines (again) for 
doing something arbitrary and rather dim.


So an ethical and professional disclaimer:

I don't support self-contradictory and illogical policy,
any more than self-contradictory and illogical UI.

Shallow thinkers (and toddlers of all ages) focus mainly on external 
agreement. It requires some mental development to realize a need for 
intellectual consistency and indeed honesty.


I like the way this principle is clear in the realm of coding. If true 
is also false, logic falls apart. Every logical branch in a script 
evaluates to true or false. True and false must be reliable, not 
arbitrary and capricious. Otherwise code would be unpredictable.


(That's why people who rationalize have trouble writing good code: 
they are speaking a second language, and have trained themselves to 
imitate logic rather than following it! Mental habits matter.)


Apple's biz practices make it difficult to avoid finally replacing my 
2012 Mac, but as most people here probably know, I did not intend my 
statement as an endorsement. Glad Richmond can still work on the G5! :)


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
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LiveCode Training and Consulting
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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Hmm: writing as a lazy slob, I'm not entirely sure if I have the energy
or the motivation to determine the length of 176 wav files.

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=35213

On 9.01.21 20:54, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,

Do you know how many seconds in length each clip is?

If so, you could tell it to start a second or two sooner
to help eliminate that pause you are experiencing.

Rick


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Well, Yes, sort of, but I still get an annoying gap between the clips: they 
should play sequentially without any pauses . . .

Best, and, while I'm here, wishing you a Happy New Year.

Richmond.

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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Erm . . . not sure about this, but the word 'concatenation' just bubbled
up in my brain.

But any concatenation would need to be done on the fly inwith LiveCode.

Having a seriously bonkers patch:

https://introcs.cs.princeton.edu/java/assignments/mozart.html

On 9.01.21 16:59, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 09.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

When I try to play a succession of audioClips they overlap each other.
Is there a way to ensure each clip does not start playing before the preceding 
one has finished?

do you mean this?
...
play ac "a_clip.wav"
wait until the sound is "done"
play ac "another_clip.aif"
...


Richmond Mathewson.

Best

Klaus

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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well, Yes, sort of, but I still get an annoying gap between the clips: 
they should play sequentially without any pauses . . .


Best, and, while I'm here, wishing you a Happy New Year.

Richmond.

On 9.01.21 16:59, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 09.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

When I try to play a succession of audioClips they overlap each other.
Is there a way to ensure each clip does not start playing before the preceding 
one has finished?

do you mean this?
...
play ac "a_clip.wav"
wait until the sound is "done"
play ac "another_clip.aif"
...


Richmond Mathewson.

Best

Klaus

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Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

When I try to play a succession of audioClips they overlap each other.

Is there a way to ensure each clip does not start playing before the 
preceding one has finished?


Richmond Mathewson.

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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Your back stories made me fire up a G5 iMac I have here running macOS 10.5
and download the latest LiveCode to work on it . . . .

Love and lunacy, Richmond.

On 8.01.21 1:06, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Paul:

> we have several customer who have said
> they are upgrading to M1 laptops

Yes; important to support! I'm looking in that direction too. It'll be 
popular, plus it's what I can afford. Many people in the same boat.


(Backstory: Apple's biz model forces Apple to force us to spend on 
hardware. The mobile herd sticks with Apple, so the dev herd does too, 
so wallets must open and notes must rain down. But not satisfied yet 
with the rain from software tweaks, so now hardware tweaks too.)


I'm planning to get an M1 Mac this year, to get back on the bleeding 
edge for a while. It's time. My old Mac hardware is still perfectly 
good, it was well-built and has zero issues, but finally has been 
pushed into what will soon be an untenable corner by the combo of new 
OS to support and new chip to support. But the older Mac will continue 
to serve for testing and for transition dev if needed.


> a sense of when LC 9.6.2 STABLE may be out?

Could be roughly predicted, maybe, by looking at what they are working 
on. I actually agree with LC's anti release date policy; announcing 
firm dates is just begging for another issue to pop up. But since 
Apple's biz model places so much pressure on devs to keep up, a sense 
would be good. Especially since third-party addons and widgets also 
have to keep up with our ecosystem.


(Another backstory: Don't forget the stable/stable linguistic play; 
I've seen RCs here that were actually more "stable" than the final, 
because glitches, regressions, and extra bugs are sometimes - perhaps 
often - introduced in the very process of fixing bugs. Depending on a 
stable to be stable is a gamble, and depending on the specific 
features in an app, there are times when the RC is more reliable. 
Nevertheless I really hate to publish anything with an RC; only when 
forced to do so.)


BTW, Paul knows all of this very well. I'm just replying publicly in 
case the backstories will benefit other readers here in the process. :)


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: play command and wav file

2020-12-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I'm not sure what you mean by 'binary data', but I set up a stack and 
imported a .wav file into it

which I named 'xxx.wav'. The stack contains a single button with the code:

on mouseUp
    play audioClip "xxx.wav"
end mouseUp

and it does exactly what I would expect it to do: plays the .wav file.

macOS 11.2 beta, Livecode 9.6.1

best, Richmond.

On 19.12.20 18:15, jbv via use-livecode wrote:

Hi list,
Is there a way to play a wav file that is already loaded
in memory as binary data ?
The doc only says that "play" takes a file name as parameter...

Thank you in advance.
jbv

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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I am not familiar at all.

But, having built an LC version for Linux it can then be tested on
a recent Linux distro.

On 16.12.20 2:14, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond wrote:
> Well . . . they could install a later version of Ubuntu (takes about
> 30-120 minutes) and build and test on that version.
>
> Surely not that arduous.

Exactly how sure are you?

What they need to do is more than what customers need to do.

How familiar are you with the LC build system in Edinburgh?

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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well . . . they could install a later version of Ubuntu (takes about 
30-120 minutes) and build

and test on that version.

Surely not that arduous.

Best, Richmond.

On 15.12.20 19:38, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 12/15/20 3:48 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:


2. Stir up trouble.

Personally I think that LiveCode central are being a bit @#$%^&* 
claiming that LiveCode
is cross-platform and not saying they support more recent versions 
than Ubuntu 16.04 and so on.


And stirring up trouble means that I think they deserve a collective 
kick in the source-code for that.


I may be in the minority on my opinion on this, and judging from the 
feedback I expect from this post that may be an understatement, but...


I think the team is correct in this.
Support means more than "we think this works".

Since they currently build and test each released version on an older 
linux distro, they can't really claim to "support" later versions, 
even though we can empirically verify that there is essentially no 
difference when running LC on other/later linuxes. Claiming support 
would mean dedicating resources to changing the build process, 
verifying that the resulting build performed to spec on whatever linux 
version, and also on an ongoing basis dedicating support team 
resources to whatever issues may arise on the newly officially 
supported platforms.


And at present there's very little ROI for making these changes. Even 
the modifications that a few of us do contribute require redirecting 
company resources to verify (or not) before merging into the corpus of 
releasable code, and with the current worldwide situation I doubt 
there's a lot of free time to squeeze into redirection from actual 
revenue-producing streams.


Since Ubuntu's EOL date is coming up in the next few months, I expect 
that the build platform may change soon. But since I can compile from 
source here on linux mint 20 (Ubuntu based) (as long as I modify the 
gyp file as in my PR) I don't expect major hiccups nor any major 
expense in team resources from this migration.




3. As far as I can see (probably not very far), there is no 
difference in functionality between Xubuntu 16.04 and 20.10;


See above, but yes, I agree.




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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I would pick a small fight here.

On 15.12.20 11:24, merakosp via use-livecode wrote:

Hello Sean,

Off the top of my head, the main Linux issues that are currently unresolved
are:

1. The player object is broken on all Linux distros. You might be able to
workaround this by using shell commands with mplayer.
I have a feeling that the player object is not broken as it NEVER worked 
properly on Linux in the first place.


2. The browser widget is broken in most Linux distros. It might work for
just displaying a webpage, but not for typing into input fields of the
webpage. I am not sure if there is a workaround for this.

3. Also, you might experience window layering problems with some Linux
window manager (e.g. Cinnamon).

Hope this helps,
Panos
--

On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 10:42, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On 15 Dec 2020, at 02:52, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

As Mark Weider noted, the "official" support is merely a reflection of

their build system, and it relies on a version of Ubuntu still actively
getting security updates.

That doesn’t seem to be stated or inferred in the release notes. It’s
under the heading ‘Platform Support’ which infers, like ‘System
Requirements’ might, “This is what it will run on”. Indeed, under the
heading it states:


The engine supports a variety of operating systems and versions. This

section describes the platforms that we ensure the engine runs on without
issue (although in some cases with reduced functionality).


Then under Linux it states:


LiveCode supports the following Linux distributions, on 32-bit or

64-bit Intel/AMD or compatible processors:

Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04
Fedora 23 & 24
Debian 7 (Wheezy) and 8 (Jessie) [server] CentOS 7 [server]


Then lists the Core and ‘optional’ GUI feature requirements. None of this
states or infers that >=Ubuntu 18, >=Fedora 25, >=Debian 9 or >=CentOS 8.

So we are left assuming that these unlisted platforms/versions, much like
macOS 10.16, is “Unsupported”! Hence my initial question/request for
community knowledge/experience. I’m not seeking to stir up trouble (for a
change). I’m seeking understanding and wisdom. If LC is Not Supported on
later builds, what aspects do not function in your (plural, ie, everyones)
experiences.

Because LC write “This section describes the platforms that we ensure the
engine runs on without issue”, it would just be useful to know what issues
later builds experienced.

Thanks for the input though.

Sean




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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
1. I have never, ever experienced any problems at all with any versions 
of LiveCode on

any versions of Xubuntu that are more 'modern' than 16.04.

2. Stir up trouble.

Personally I think that LiveCode central are being a bit @#$%^&* 
claiming that LiveCode
is cross-platform and not saying they support more recent versions than 
Ubuntu 16.04 and so on.


And stirring up trouble means that I think they deserve a collective 
kick in the source-code for that.


3. As far as I can see (probably not very far), there is no difference 
in functionality between Xubuntu 16.04 and 20.10;
admittedly though I stopped using 16.04 about April 2017, so I may have 
forgotten something.


Richmond.

On 15.12.20 10:40, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Hence my initial question/request for community knowledge/experience. I’m not 
seeking to stir up trouble (for a change). I’m seeking understanding and 
wisdom. If LC is Not Supported on later builds, what aspects do not function in 
your (plural, ie, everyones) experiences.



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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
"I wonder why LC don’t state support for later Ubuntu, Fedora or Debian 
builds?"


I suspect that LiveCode believes that the uptake of the Linux version is 
insufficient to justify the effort of testing LC on those platforms.


Richmond.

On 14.12.20 2:20, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks all. These insights are useful. Hery’s explanation of their choice to 
move to Debian provides a good argument. I had just tried Ubuntu 20.04 in a 
parallels virtual machine and my server app worked ok. I will try a Debian 
build too. I wonder why LC don’t state support for later Ubuntu, Fedora or 
Debian builds?

Sean Cole
Pi Digital


On 13 Dec 2020, at 19:27, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi Sean,

I've been using LiveCode on Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 for years (Servers and 
Desktops) and it worked fine.  A years ago we migrated everything to CentOS / 
RedHat and Fedora (development machines and servers).  However, we are going to 
migrate everything  to Debian.
Debian is very stable and offers the same user experience on Laptops, 
Workstations and Servers.

Ubuntu is a good system, but after the drift from CentOS with IBM I don't want 
to put the heart of our systems in the hands of any big company.
What would happen if tomorrow Ubuntu is acquired by Microsoft and they decide 
to charge money for it? That's not the case with Debian: Debian is completely 
independent and rock solid.

I live between Madrid and New York and in both cities there are good 
professional companies who offer commercial technical support for Debian, so 
you don't need any big and greedy corps getting their hands on your IT systems.

Best,
Hery





On 12/13/20 12:40 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
Hi all,

I just heard the news that RedHat is going to be dropping support for
CentOS. With my recent issues with PDF Printing in CentOS, I was already
looking to perhaps try out CentOS8 or another Dist. but now we have this
news I'm thinking of going to Ubuntu.

The release notes for LC says it supports Ubuntu 16.04, which is cool. But
I notice my server host says they have 16.04, 18.04, 20.04 and 20.10. Is
anyone out there running LC on one of these later builds of Ubuntu? I'd
like to hear your thoughts. Or maybe I should be looking at Fedora.

All the very best

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-13 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well, I am running LC 9.6.1 on Xubuntu (Ubuntu with XFCE) 20.10 without 
a backward glance: Rocks!


Richmond.

On 13.12.20 19:40, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

I just heard the news that RedHat is going to be dropping support for
CentOS. With my recent issues with PDF Printing in CentOS, I was already
looking to perhaps try out CentOS8 or another Dist. but now we have this
news I'm thinking of going to Ubuntu.

The release notes for LC says it supports Ubuntu 16.04, which is cool. But
I notice my server host says they have 16.04, 18.04, 20.04 and 20.10. Is
anyone out there running LC on one of these later builds of Ubuntu? I'd
like to hear your thoughts. Or maybe I should be looking at Fedora.

All the very best

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
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Properties Inspector

2020-12-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I would like to try modifying the Properties Inspector but am unable
to locate a template stack . . .

Richmond.

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Re: Trying to use the Segmented Control

2020-12-06 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
When I was about 18 I was driving tractors on a farm: really 
old-fashioned things with about 3 gears.


Later, in the United States, I learnt to drive a car; out car was a Ford 
Tempo with 5 gears and a reverse.


However, when I went to take the test the officers there would not let 
me use our car because it had a pea-sized spot of the windscreen. So, I 
borrowed a friend's car: the only problem was that it was an automatic: 
so I took a driving test in an automatic

car when I had never driven one before . . . what a load of rubbish.

I, then, left the U.S. and did not drive a car for about 6 months, and 
managed to have my American licence stolen.


I started driving again in the United Arab Emirates on the basis of a 
Saudi licence I had got for a bottle

of fake Chanel number 5.

That's when I really started to drive.

The few times I have had to drive a car with an automatic gear system 
since then I have generally panicked as

they make me feel out of control.

WIDGETS seem to me like cars with automatic transmission: all very 
clever, drive themselves, but no chance for

any creative driving.

Personally I'll always opt for 'stick' given the choice.

On 30.11.20 13:05, R.H. via use-livecode wrote:

Basically, I think, it is a nice widget.

--- But sometimes, I would like to show text with icons together, or each
icon in a different color. Possible?

--- Then I would like to import whatever icon or image and individually set
its size, and margins individually. I like to have access to the details of
each segment and it's look and feel. Even each segment's rect and other
details should be modifiable. I would like to be able to define the size
and the color of each object's border and dividing lines. The only way
around is scripting lines or whatever to be used as an overlay -- which is
a kludge. But is it possible using LCB to address individual parts and
define a more detail-grained API?

--- Messages: I do not understand why not standard mouse messages would
work here and are not supported.  Other messages than just "hilitedChange"
should be detected. But it would be important, in my opinion, to allow each
and every graphical widget to detect mouseWithin, mouseMove, mouseDown,
mouseUp, mouseEnter, mouseLeave, etc.

Is there anybody working on such widgets and updating them to newer
versions? Is there a version history for each widget?

The documentary of the widget (widgets) in the Dictionary could be enhanced
with a first date of appearance and dates of new versions as well as
enhancement requests or planned enhancements? I assume the author is
LiveCode Ltd.?

Roland
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Re: Trying to use the Segmented Control

2020-12-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Yes, it is a nice widget.

But, because it is a widget it has several quite obvious and annoying 
limitations when compared

with making your own thing using the 'old fashioned' objects in LiveCode.

At this point things come to some hard choices:

1. Do you want a quick-and-easy, one-size-fits-all solution?
If you do that's the segmented control widget.

2. Do you want something you can customise to exactly fits your needs?
If you do, chuck the widget and start grouping some customised buttons.

3. Think about Python Libraries . . . [had quite a 'flame thrower' about 
them

just last week with someone extolling the supposed virtues of Python].

Richmond.

On 30.11.20 13:05, R.H. via use-livecode wrote:

Basically, I think, it is a nice widget.

--- But sometimes, I would like to show text with icons together, or each
icon in a different color. Possible?

--- Then I would like to import whatever icon or image and individually set
its size, and margins individually. I like to have access to the details of
each segment and it's look and feel. Even each segment's rect and other
details should be modifiable. I would like to be able to define the size
and the color of each object's border and dividing lines. The only way
around is scripting lines or whatever to be used as an overlay -- which is
a kludge. But is it possible using LCB to address individual parts and
define a more detail-grained API?

--- Messages: I do not understand why not standard mouse messages would
work here and are not supported.  Other messages than just "hilitedChange"
should be detected. But it would be important, in my opinion, to allow each
and every graphical widget to detect mouseWithin, mouseMove, mouseDown,
mouseUp, mouseEnter, mouseLeave, etc.

Is there anybody working on such widgets and updating them to newer
versions? Is there a version history for each widget?

The documentary of the widget (widgets) in the Dictionary could be enhanced
with a first date of appearance and dates of new versions as well as
enhancement requests or planned enhancements? I assume the author is
LiveCode Ltd.?

Roland
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Is a Chromebook app an Android app?

Or, to put things another way . . .

I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to 
use on their Android

phones and tablets . . .

Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of 
ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips

so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

Sorry to be damp squish.

On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just want 
to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a Chromebook.

I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will run 
Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would like to 
hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for Chromebook apps.

Thanks,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/


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Re: Strange bug

2020-11-24 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Yes, as described (LC 9.6.1, macOS 11.1 Beta).

On 24.11.20 14:32, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi friends,

FYI: I found a very strange and serious bug, if you have a minute, please take 
a look:

A real showstopper in my opinion!

With an example stack (in my dropbox, my browser does not allow me to select
a file as attachment!?). Shows the problem clearly on a Mac.
May probably work correctly on Windows, maybe not.


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Re: Standardizing codepoints

2020-11-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I don't know what sort of situation you are describing.

I can only imagine you mean describing something like û as either u + 
circumflex, or circumflexed u (ie, on glyph).


If you go here:

https://www.unicode.org/charts/

apart from going blue in the face at the absolutely mind-blowing extent 
of the thing, you can isolate almost
every glyph you can imagine as a single glyph (rather than a combination 
of several0.


If you are referring to surrogate pairs: forget them quickly, they are 
old hat and guaranteed to give you

a permanent cluster headache.

Best, Richmond.

On 15.11.20 12:15, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:

I’m a little over my head in this area so I may not be describing this quite 
right…
Some unicode glyphs seem to be describable with different (arrangements of) 
codepoints.  Is it possible to coerce the glyph to be described in a “standard” 
way?

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Re: New to Get a Copy of Scaled Down Version of an Image

2020-10-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gdrsa4git7l6war/imager.livecode.zip?dl=0

Richmond

On 28.10.20 13:34, Richmond wrote:
Remember that you have to lock an image to stop it popping back to its 
original size.


Or, alternatively, you could change the order of your code.

Also, you have misspelt 'height' in "resizeToHeigth".

Also, while you have defined "resizeToWidth", you don't appear to have
defined "resizeToHeight" in the code you have posted.

The whole procedure looks a bit wonky: so I shall "go away" and try my 
own version.


Best, Richmond.

On 28.10.20 12:28, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Take for example

[command] resizeToWidth tImage, 400

on resizeToWidth pImage,pSize
    local tOrigImgWidth, tOrigImgHeight, tRatio, tNewWidth, tNewHeight
    set the itemdel to "x"
    put item 1 of sCurrentGraphicRect into tOrigImgWidth
    put item 2 of sCurrentGraphicRect into tOrigImgHeight

    if tOrigImgWidth is 0 then exit resizeToWidth

    put pSize/tOrigImgWidth into tRatio
    put (tOrigImgHeight * tRatio) into tNewHeight
    put (tOrigImgWidth * tRatio) into  tNewWidth

    set the rect of  pImage to 0,0,tNewWidth,tNewHeight

end resizeToWidth

How do I get a copy, with the image scaled down, which is visible on 
screen?


[coded]
   if (the width of tImage > the heigth of tImage )  then
   # portrait
   resizeToWidth tImage, 400
    else
   # landscape
   resizeToHeigth tImage, 400
    end if

    # now we set the img to the img "currentpuzzle"
    set the name of the last image to "currentpuzzle"

    # and copy the data, at 400px wide
    put the rect of the last image into tImageData["rect"]
    put the imageData of the last image into tImageData["image"]

    put tImageData["image"] into image "currentpuzzle"


    BUT the full scaled copy of the image "currentpuzzle" comes into 
view. I wanted to get a scaled down version?



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Re: New to Get a Copy of Scaled Down Version of an Image

2020-10-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Remember that you have to lock an image to stop it popping back to its 
original size.


Or, alternatively, you could change the order of your code.

Also, you have misspelt 'height' in "resizeToHeigth".

Also, while you have defined "resizeToWidth", you don't appear to have
defined "resizeToHeight" in the code you have posted.

The whole procedure looks a bit wonky: so I shall "go away" and try my 
own version.


Best, Richmond.

On 28.10.20 12:28, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Take for example

[command] resizeToWidth tImage, 400

on resizeToWidth pImage,pSize
local tOrigImgWidth, tOrigImgHeight, tRatio, tNewWidth, tNewHeight
set the itemdel to "x"
put item 1 of sCurrentGraphicRect into tOrigImgWidth
put item 2 of sCurrentGraphicRect into tOrigImgHeight

if tOrigImgWidth is 0 then exit resizeToWidth

put pSize/tOrigImgWidth into tRatio
put (tOrigImgHeight * tRatio) into tNewHeight
put (tOrigImgWidth * tRatio) into  tNewWidth

set the rect of  pImage to 0,0,tNewWidth,tNewHeight

end resizeToWidth

How do I get a copy, with the image scaled down, which is visible on screen?

[coded]
   if (the width of tImage > the heigth of tImage )  then
   # portrait
   resizeToWidth tImage, 400
else
   # landscape
   resizeToHeigth tImage, 400
end if

# now we set the img to the img "currentpuzzle"
set the name of the last image to "currentpuzzle"

# and copy the data, at 400px wide
put the rect of the last image into tImageData["rect"]
put the imageData of the last image into tImageData["image"]

put tImageData["image"] into image "currentpuzzle"


BUT the full scaled copy of the image "currentpuzzle" comes into view. I 
wanted to get a scaled down version?


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Brahmanathaswami

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Re: iOS Emoji keyboard does not print to PDF?!

2020-10-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

" 'export snapshot' to PDF as PNG" sounds a bit odd.

On 25.10.20 21:47, William de Smet via use-livecode wrote:

Hi there,

A simple iOS app in which the user chooses the iOS keyboard to add text and
an Emoji to a standard LC text field.
I use 'export snapshot' to PDF as PNG to print to PDF.
When there is only text in the field all text is printed to the PDF but
when an Emoji is added the Emoji is not printed to the PDF.
Am I missing something?
Do I need to add some code?

iOS 13
LC 9,6,1 Indy


greetings,

William
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Line length

2020-10-24 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Over in the Forums someone has asked a question about measuring the 
length of text lines.


Of course one can count characters, but in most alphabetic systems 
different characters have different lengths.


Is there a way to measure the length as in LENGTH of a line rather than 
count the number of characters it

contains?

Richmond.

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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

2020-10-17 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
"But rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing 
and they obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, etc)"


That sounds super if it were true, but I don't think it is as RunRev (as 
they then were) dropped support for SPARC, UNIX and so

forth a long time before they began work on mobile platforms.

Richmond.

On 16.10.20 10:55, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

  Hi Heriberto

Back in the day (20 years ago) the engine/IDE ran on FreeBSD and various
proprietary unixes.

The Linux server version has been seen to work on FreeBSD back in 2011
(after installing Linux compatibility layer).

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Yay-Victory-RevServer-runs-on-FreeBSD-with-Linux-Compat-installed-td3445454.html

You _might_ be able to get that to work now.  I doubt it would be supported
by Livecode.  What amazes me nowadays is just how much more complex things
are than they were 20 years ago - looking at the compatibility matrix for
Livecode dependencies on OS version, XCode version, device version -- all
just to produce apps that run on iOS:

https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

If someone had said 20 years ago that a small company in Scotland could
manage that kind of complexity people would have laughed in disbelief.  But
rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing and they
obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, etc) to be in
a situation to take on this level of complexity.

HTH Bernard

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Dear all,

I have a question.   It's not a very important question and I don’t want
to bother you y 'all, so if you think is off-topic, feel free to not to
respond,  I'm just curious.

I've been working with Livecode for almost five years, and I never saw a
LiveCode server  "UNIX" version.

The LiveCode Wikipedia’s article says this: LiveCode runs on iOS, Android,
OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".

I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile it.
Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?

I'm just thinking, but maybe there's a small niche working  with LiveCode
server on BSD or Solaris (still many companies use them and not many people
develop software for this platforms nowadays).
We have a few companies in Spain (my country) still using Solaris or BSD
servers (mainly in the Graphic arts business).

PS, I currently work with LiveCode Server on Centos, but it could be
interesting  to test it in FreeBSD.

Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement

Heriberto Torrado
​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
​Director de informática
Directeur informatique

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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-04 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Dunno about that: if they use a standard coffin for me there'll have to 
be a bit of "topping and tailing". ;-)


And, at the rate I'm going a few slices of "bacon" off the sides as well 
. . .


On 4.10.20 20:44, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
After a certain age you're about as compressed as you get. I've lost 2 
inches since I was 20.


--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On October 4, 2020 11:55:14 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:



On 10/4/20 9:35 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:


And as to "download yourself", all I can say is that while I have tried
many, many daft things in my life I have
never tried to either download or upload myself . . .


Heh.
If I ever tried to upload myself I suppose I'd probably try to compress
me first to remove the redundant redundancies.

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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-04 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well, Mark, at the risk of being offensive (What? Me? Surely not.), when 
we met at the Edinburgh conference about 10 years ago
I could not help noticing that you were somewhat more compressed than 
me; and, since then I have developed quite a lot of redundant code, and 
cannot for the life of me work out how to refactor myself . . . I assure 
you any attempt to upload me

would out-broadband broadband. :/

On 4.10.20 19:53, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 10/4/20 9:35 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

And as to "download yourself", all I can say is that while I have 
tried many, many daft things in my life I have

never tried to either download or upload myself . . .


Heh.
If I ever tried to upload myself I suppose I'd probably try to 
compress me first to remove the redundant redundancies.





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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-04 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Graham: there are no apologies needed: I leanrt several useful things, 
such as, for instance
that Apple issue .xip files which their own in-built apps seem unable to 
decompress!


I had to use something called 'Keka' (which sounds suggestively like Cacka).

And as to "download yourself", all I can say is that while I have tried 
many, many daft things in my life I have

never tried to either download or upload myself . . .

Love and tickles, Richmond.

On 4.10.20 15:03, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is just to thank everyone who took part in these discussions. I learned a 
lot - for example, I didn’t know that download managers existed.

I have solved my immediate problem by brute force (I basically kept coming back 
to my Mac every few minutes for about half a day and so did the download), but 
the solutions offered in this conversation are going to be used from now on.  
In fact since Apple keeps updating Xcode and LC struggles (and sometimes fails) 
to keep up, a lot more of these big downloads seem inevitable.

To put the thing in a wider context, I do think these incredibly large files 
are a bad thing. OK sometimes they may be unavoidable, but in the case of 
Xcode,  which is really just a big tool box (and other comparable software), it 
seems perverse. Not much chance of changing Apple’s mind, I suppose.

Personally I can still hope that my French ISP comes out of the woodwork and gives me 
"fibre optique" before I have to take off for quarantine in England (where i 
have absolutely no idea what internet speeds to expect in my quarantine hideout - what 
times we live in!).

Thanks again

Graham
PS Apologies to Richmond for the unforeseen consequences of my typo - but in 
mitigation, I never asked you to do the download yourself!


On 3 Oct 2020, at 20:27, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Well . . . eventually after a lot of fooling around I chopped Xcode 11.5 up 
into 15 * 650 MB chunks: but, frankly, that
will not solve your problem.

Later postings in this thread made a lot more sense.

Best, Richmond.

On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well . . . eventually after a lot of fooling around I chopped Xcode 11.5 
up into 15 * 650 MB chunks: but, frankly, that

will not solve your problem.

Later postings in this thread made a lot more sense.

Best, Richmond.

On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
The answer, paradoxically, is to move to  a silly little village 
half-an-hour away from a city in Bulgaria,

as I have unlimited fibre-optic internet for $5 a month.

According to Ookla my download speed is about 61 Mbps, and my upload 
speed is 48 Mbps.


I really don't know what those numbers mean; but it does mean that Xcode 
11 took 45 minutes, whether
that is fast or slow, I do remember the dial-up modem in Carbondale, 
Illinois in 1993 taking 11 hours to download

1.1 MB . . .

On 3.10.20 19:34, Jim At Consensus via use-livecode wrote:

Lest anyone think this is a rural issue.

I live in a major metropolitan city in the US. (Seattle, Wa) And am still on 
DSL and can’t get cable or fiber to my house without paying to have poles 
placed and or conduit run underground... very expensive. Our DSL is over copper 
lines from 1936 whose insulation (lead) has been riddled with holes.

When it rains, we have no internet and usually no phone. To get Apple updates, 
I either lose a day or go someplace with a reliable hispeed connecton.

Sent from Jim's iPhone XR
Please excuse brevity, typos and errors


On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
 wrote:

This would be a saver alternative
https://blog.kulman.sk/faster-way-to-download-and-install-xcode/ 
<https://blog.kulman.sk/faster-way-to-download-and-install-xcode/>

It uses Aria2
https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/aria2 <https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/aria2>
and a ruby script
https://gist.github.com/iandundas/fabe07455e5216442a421922361f698c 
<https://gist.github.com/iandundas/fabe07455e5216442a421922361f698c>


Regards,

Matthias

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BR5 Konverter - BR5 -> MP3 <https://www.matthiasrebbe.eu/software/brx/>


Am 03.10.2020 um 17:39 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:


On 10/3/20 8:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
I wonder:
https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/
 
<https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/>

Looks interesting, but I'd be wary of anything that does
install.sh | bash
without checking the source first

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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

OK, OK, OK: now zipping Xcode 11.5 into however many 650 MB chunks . . .

On 3.10.20 14:58, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry if I said Xcode 15 - just a typo, it’s actually 11.5. But the point 
remains the same. As I have said before, it seems that Apple are offering files 
as big as the Library of Babel for no logical reason. Stephen’s idea that they 
expect you to have a fibre connection is probably true, but odd considering 
that there are so many places in the world not yet offering high speed internet.

I didn’t bother to explain that in my tiny French village, the new 
state-sponsored optical fibre goes straight past my house, but sadly on the 
wrong side of the road! I have contracted with the necessary ISP, different 
from the one I’m using now, but after an abortive visit by a very nice 
technician who announced that she couldn’t solve the problem herself, they have 
outsourced the link from one side of the street to the other to an external 
contractor, with the result that the original August installation date has been 
pushed out to November! I have even tried to organise a bit of private work to 
get the cable across but the ISP will not play ball.

In practical terms, I will either hang over my Mac for a few more hours or take 
up the sensible suggestion of getting someone else with true broadband to do 
the download for me. The point of my email though was to ask if there is a way 
of downloading a huge file by any other method than simply swallowing the whole 
elephant in one go - looks like there isn’t.

Thanks all

Graham


On 3 Oct 2020, at 13:17, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Cripes!

xCode 12.2. beta 2 takes up 10.5 GB of space . . . wonder what the bloat is: 
Tim Cook's unwashed laundry?

On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I wonder:

https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/

On 3.10.20 14:58, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry if I said Xcode 15 - just a typo, it’s actually 11.5. But the point 
remains the same. As I have said before, it seems that Apple are offering files 
as big as the Library of Babel for no logical reason. Stephen’s idea that they 
expect you to have a fibre connection is probably true, but odd considering 
that there are so many places in the world not yet offering high speed internet.

I didn’t bother to explain that in my tiny French village, the new 
state-sponsored optical fibre goes straight past my house, but sadly on the 
wrong side of the road! I have contracted with the necessary ISP, different 
from the one I’m using now, but after an abortive visit by a very nice 
technician who announced that she couldn’t solve the problem herself, they have 
outsourced the link from one side of the street to the other to an external 
contractor, with the result that the original August installation date has been 
pushed out to November! I have even tried to organise a bit of private work to 
get the cable across but the ISP will not play ball.

In practical terms, I will either hang over my Mac for a few more hours or take 
up the sensible suggestion of getting someone else with true broadband to do 
the download for me. The point of my email though was to ask if there is a way 
of downloading a huge file by any other method than simply swallowing the whole 
elephant in one go - looks like there isn’t.

Thanks all

Graham


On 3 Oct 2020, at 13:17, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Cripes!

xCode 12.2. beta 2 takes up 10.5 GB of space . . . wonder what the bloat is: 
Tim Cook's unwashed laundry?

On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Can you send me your download linbk as the .xip file is NBG; and I need 
a .dmg or a .pkg to work with?


On 3.10.20 14:58, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:



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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Ugly stuff going on:

richmond@Richmonds-Mac-mini ~ % xip -x /Volumes/X3/xc\ 115/Xcode_11.5.xip
xip: signing certificate was "Development Update" (validation not attempted)

On 3.10.20 16:34, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

One of these download managers may be helpful:

https://www.macheat.com/the-5-best-download-managers-for-mac/

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Well, your "just a typo" meant I downloaded 12.2 beta 2. So, now you'll just 
have to wait while I download 11.5.

Obviously you entirely missed the point of my previous message.

In about 1994 I downloaded a file that took up 3 MB on a computer in the SIUC 
EFL computer lab, and, obviously, could
not fit it on a floppy disk to transfer to my LC 475 at home. So I used Stuffit 
to compress it and chop it up into
several .sit files and then copy those onto about 5 floppy disks . . . I learnt 
my lesson: so, just as soon as xCode 11.5 (don't you dare say that was another 
typo) has downloaded I will try to chop it up (and it is 7.5 GB) into about 30 
zip files at 256 MB,
and work out how to make them accessible to you.

Richmond.


On 3.10.20 14:58, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
Sorry if I said Xcode 15 - just a typo, it’s actually 11.5. But the point 
remains the same. As I have said before, it seems that Apple are offering files 
as big as the Library of Babel for no logical reason. Stephen’s idea that they 
expect you to have a fibre connection is probably true, but odd considering 
that there are so many places in the world not yet offering high speed internet.

I didn’t bother to explain that in my tiny French village, the new 
state-sponsored optical fibre goes straight past my house, but sadly on the 
wrong side of the road! I have contracted with the necessary ISP, different 
from the one I’m using now, but after an abortive visit by a very nice 
technician who announced that she couldn’t solve the problem herself, they have 
outsourced the link from one side of the street to the other to an external 
contractor, with the result that the original August installation date has been 
pushed out to November! I have even tried to organise a bit of private work to 
get the cable across but the ISP will not play ball.

In practical terms, I will either hang over my Mac for a few more hours or take 
up the sensible suggestion of getting someone else with true broadband to do 
the download for me. The point of my email though was to ask if there is a way 
of downloading a huge file by any other method than simply swallowing the whole 
elephant in one go - looks like there isn’t.

Thanks all

Graham


On 3 Oct 2020, at 13:17, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Cripes!

xCode 12.2. beta 2 takes up 10.5 GB of space . . . wonder what the bloat is: 
Tim Cook's unwashed laundry?

On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well, your "just a typo" meant I downloaded 12.2 beta 2. So, now you'll 
just have to wait while I download 11.5.


Obviously you entirely missed the point of my previous message.

In about 1994 I downloaded a file that took up 3 MB on a computer in the 
SIUC EFL computer lab, and, obviously, could
not fit it on a floppy disk to transfer to my LC 475 at home. So I used 
Stuffit to compress it and chop it up into
several .sit files and then copy those onto about 5 floppy disks . . . I 
learnt my lesson: so, just as soon as xCode 11.5 (don't you dare say 
that was another typo) has downloaded I will try to chop it up (and it 
is 7.5 GB) into about 30 zip files at 256 MB,

and work out how to make them accessible to you.

Richmond.

On 3.10.20 14:58, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry if I said Xcode 15 - just a typo, it’s actually 11.5. But the point 
remains the same. As I have said before, it seems that Apple are offering files 
as big as the Library of Babel for no logical reason. Stephen’s idea that they 
expect you to have a fibre connection is probably true, but odd considering 
that there are so many places in the world not yet offering high speed internet.

I didn’t bother to explain that in my tiny French village, the new 
state-sponsored optical fibre goes straight past my house, but sadly on the 
wrong side of the road! I have contracted with the necessary ISP, different 
from the one I’m using now, but after an abortive visit by a very nice 
technician who announced that she couldn’t solve the problem herself, they have 
outsourced the link from one side of the street to the other to an external 
contractor, with the result that the original August installation date has been 
pushed out to November! I have even tried to organise a bit of private work to 
get the cable across but the ISP will not play ball.

In practical terms, I will either hang over my Mac for a few more hours or take 
up the sensible suggestion of getting someone else with true broadband to do 
the download for me. The point of my email though was to ask if there is a way 
of downloading a huge file by any other method than simply swallowing the whole 
elephant in one go - looks like there isn’t.

Thanks all

Graham


On 3 Oct 2020, at 13:17, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Cripes!

xCode 12.2. beta 2 takes up 10.5 GB of space . . . wonder what the bloat is: 
Tim Cook's unwashed laundry?

On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Cripes!

xCode 12.2. beta 2 takes up 10.5 GB of space . . . wonder what the bloat 
is: Tim Cook's unwashed laundry?


On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I would suppose the "trick" is to get some else to download xCode 15 for 
you; chop it up into a series of sensibly sized ZIP files, you can then 
download each one individually, then knit them all together again on 
your machine . . .


However: I've never heard of xCode 15, and as far as I'm aware the 
latest recension of xCode is 12.2 beta 2 which requires

macOS 10.15.4 or later . . .

Over "here" in the "bloody Balkans" I am informed the download should 
take about an hour: so I have started it going: and, after my Saturday 
afternoon snooze I'll see what I can do re chopping it up into about 32 
zip files and bunging them on my Google drive or something.


Indeed: asking Apple questions is a bit like what my late Father calimed 
was his favourite activity: banging his head against the wall: why? 
Because it's great when it stops.


Watch this space in about 90 minutes.  :)

Richmond.

On 3.10.20 11:11, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I find 
from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance of 
generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I would 
get a meaningful answer:

I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection - although I 
have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files are hard to 
download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB file - at a 
speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the download speed drops 
below some unspecified limit, the download stops and has to be resumed in 
Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the download overnight, 
having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the download folder in the 
morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a complete reload! There 
isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about, and is there any way I can 
simply accumulate the download bit by bit until it's all finished?

If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some 
hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.

Thanks

Graham
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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

2020-09-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Because, in spite of what LiveCode will tell you, the Linux side of 
things is marginal and minimal, and
while a .deb might be alright for Debian and its derivatives, it is not 
going to be alright for other types

of Linux: "too much work for too little return": I can see it coming.

Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better 
than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,

and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.

On 14.09.20 18:46, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 9/13/20 7:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
  I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why 
isn't it in a repo?


any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line 
interface set of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR 
SIMILAR please tell me On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 
PM EDT,  wrote:


It's been a topic of discussion for years, i.e.,

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20=29266

as to the "why not" of this, I don't have an answer. Building a .deb 
package isn't a huge task and would make uninstalling *much* easier 
than the current kludge.


(as an aside, note that gksudo has been deprecated for some time now 
in favor of pkexec, and is no longer included in most modern distros. 
But no doubt you meant "sudo" anyway.)





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Re: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode): guide?

2020-09-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I won't pretend to know anything about Chinese.

BUT, I have just copy-pasted 你好 from a Google Translate window into an 
LC text-field.


I have, also, copied Chinese ideographs from one text-field and posted 
them into a second one.


Dead easy. :-)

Richmond.

On 9.09.20 6:55, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:

Hi!

I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese 
characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting 
strings.

Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working 
with unicode in livecode?

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Re: ...and now for something completely off the wall...

2020-09-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well, the last line is in Latin.

Also, be aware that Scots and English have been twining round each other 
like the two snakes on a caduceus;
how ever, to my mind that is part of a poem by William Dunbar, so 15th 
century.


Fit fashes me, mynd, is that the orthographie micht hae been chaungit, 
as qhat scriever screivit

'now' in the 15th centutie qhan they micht hae scrievit 'nou'?

On 1.09.20 14:53, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond, is this Scots or just badly spelled 16th Century English? A genuine 
enquiry

The stait of man dois change and vary,
Now sound, now seik, now blith, now sary,
Now dansand mery, now like to dee;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Graham


On 28 Aug 2020, at 21:22, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Very droll: that's a load of Frenchies having fun.

On 28.08.20 19:44, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

If the painting is any indication of a real event, the Scots would be well 
advised to build their bon fires a wee bit further from the wooden ladders they 
are torturing their victims on. :-)

Bob S



On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Well, I suppose it is funny: about as funny as pointing out to those people in 
Utah who spawned this idiot that
undder Scots law as a citizen of a Scottish colony whose indepndence is only de 
facto under Scots law he should
suffer the death sentence for treason: drawing and quartering.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/BNMsFr2643FroissartFol97vExecHughDespenser.jpg

On 28.08.20 18:54, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:




On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Almost every article on the Scots version of Wikipedia is written by one 
American teenager who can't speak Scots

"A veelage is a clustered human settlement or community, larger than a hamlet but 
smawer than a toun, wi a population rangin frae a few hunder tae a few thoosand 
(sometimes tens o thoosands)."

https://boingboing.net/2020/08/27/almost-every-article-on-the-sc.html
https://www.scotslanguage.com/news/5724

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Re: ...and now for something completely off the wall...

2020-08-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Very droll: that's a load of Frenchies having fun.

On 28.08.20 19:44, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

If the painting is any indication of a real event, the Scots would be well 
advised to build their bon fires a wee bit further from the wooden ladders they 
are torturing their victims on. :-)

Bob S



On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Well, I suppose it is funny: about as funny as pointing out to those people in 
Utah who spawned this idiot that
undder Scots law as a citizen of a Scottish colony whose indepndence is only de 
facto under Scots law he should
suffer the death sentence for treason: drawing and quartering.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/BNMsFr2643FroissartFol97vExecHughDespenser.jpg

On 28.08.20 18:54, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:




On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Almost every article on the Scots version of Wikipedia is written by one 
American teenager who can't speak Scots

"A veelage is a clustered human settlement or community, larger than a hamlet but 
smawer than a toun, wi a population rangin frae a few hunder tae a few thoosand 
(sometimes tens o thoosands)."

https://boingboing.net/2020/08/27/almost-every-article-on-the-sc.html
https://www.scotslanguage.com/news/5724

--
Mark Wieder
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Re: ...and now for something completely off the wall...

2020-08-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well, I suppose it is funny: about as funny as pointing out to those 
people in Utah who spawned this idiot that
undder Scots law as a citizen of a Scottish colony whose indepndence is 
only de facto under Scots law he should

suffer the death sentence for treason: drawing and quartering.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/BNMsFr2643FroissartFol97vExecHughDespenser.jpg

On 28.08.20 18:54, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:




On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Almost every article on the Scots version of Wikipedia is written by one 
American teenager who can't speak Scots

"A veelage is a clustered human settlement or community, larger than a hamlet but 
smawer than a toun, wi a population rangin frae a few hunder tae a few thoosand 
(sometimes tens o thoosands)."

https://boingboing.net/2020/08/27/almost-every-article-on-the-sc.html
https://www.scotslanguage.com/news/5724

--
Mark Wieder
ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: ...and now for something completely off the wall...

2020-08-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
"this person has possibly done more damage to the Scots language than 
anyone else in history. They engaged in cultural vandalism on a hitherto 
unprecedented scale. Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites in 
the world. Potentially tens of millions of people now think that Scots 
is a horribly mangled rendering of English rather than being a language 
or dialect of its own, all because they were exposed to a mangled 
rendering of English being called Scots by this person and by this 
person alone"


Indeed.

On 28.08.20 17:59, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
Almost every article on the Scots version of Wikipedia is written by 
one American teenager who can't speak Scots


"A veelage is a clustered human settlement or community, larger than a 
hamlet but smawer than a toun, wi a population rangin frae a few 
hunder tae a few thoosand (sometimes tens o thoosands)."


https://boingboing.net/2020/08/27/almost-every-article-on-the-sc.html
https://www.scotslanguage.com/news/5724



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Re: [Bug 22881] commandKey does not do what it should do on Macintosh

2020-08-27 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
The blasted bug-thing will not let me post my reply: so here it is, for 
ALL to see

(and a certain person should know full well what I mean in that respect):

Wonderful in several ways:

1. The nearest thing I have ever seen to instant feedback.

[What sort of coffee are you "on"?]

2. Hits the nail right on the head.

Thank you very much indeed.

On 27.08.20 11:22, bugzilla-dae...@molly.livecode.com wrote:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22881

Mark Waddingham  changed:

What|Removed |Added

  Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
  CC||m...@livecode.com
  Resolution|--- |NOT_A_BUG

--- Comment #1 from Mark Waddingham  ---
Hi Richmond,

You don't get a keyDown message if the command key is down - you get
commandKeyDown instead - and a handler the focused (user) stack when browse
mode is on will receive that message first.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.


Mark Waddingham  changed bug 22881 


WhatRemoved Added
Status  UNCONFIRMED RESOLVED
CC  m...@livecode.com
Resolution  --- NOT_A_BUG

*Comment # 1  
on bug 22881  from 
Mark Waddingham  *

Hi Richmond,

You don't get a keyDown message if the command key is down - you get
commandKeyDown instead - and a handler the focused (user) stack when browse
mode is on will receive that message first.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: Big Sur issues

2020-08-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I am running Lc 9.6.1 on macOS 11 beta 5 without a backward glance, 
happy to say.


On 26.08.20 5:54, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:

I haven’t tried the LC development environment on Big Sur yet, just ran an 
already-built app. As far as the tabbed button, the issue is that the 
highlighted tab on Mac has a white background on Big Sur. So with the default 
white text you can’t see it, though the text is there.

Marty


On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
 wrote:

In related news, I have an ARM64 Mac mini, and LC seems to be running ok.

With the Tab Panel issue, did you notice that as you dragged it into place you 
could see the first tab’s text? That suggests that the highlighter for the tab 
has transparency issues, not that text is missing.

WindowShape does work, but there is a card size backdrop. Also, while LiveCard 
is open all of your desktop is obscured by a backdrop as well.



On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Thanks Bob, I may have to take you up on that. Hopefully it will get fixed. I 
did tinker with it a bit and found that if I set the backgroundColor of the 
button to something dark the text shows up, so the issue is the change in 
appearance to the active tab being white - so the default white text  is there, 
just not visible against a white background.

Marty


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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout

2020-08-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
This sort of stuff will NOT help you at all; it appears intemperate and 
is aimed (if it has to be

aimed at all) at the wrong people.

You have just managed to lose my sympathy completely, for what it's worth.

"redundant and without merit": judgemental, arrogant, and so on: 
obviously you need to go

away and either calm down or boil your head.

On 25.08.20 20:48, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Your argument also is redundant and without merit. This is not my first
rodeo. I AM BRINGING TO LIGHT AND to THE SURFACE THE OBVIOUS FLAWS IN OUR
MIDST!!



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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

2020-08-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

No: it isn't exactly 'Code once' but it does come pretty near it.

Obviously one of the sticking points is to do with fonts.

My experience with cross-platform development does NOT involve
having to write for each OS. What it has involved is what one might describe
as tweaking and cleaning-up for each target platform . . .

. . . and how much tweaking and cleaning-up tends to vary with the 
nature of one's work.


However, having once been seriously fooled by a "one size fits all" 
operation, I am naturally

fairly chary when it comes to that sort of claim.

On 25.08.20 18:25, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I’m sure there are other development environments out there you could explore.

Bob S


On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:02 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

It's hardly 'Code Once' then. You absolutely HAVE to write for each OS
specifically. Livecode DOES NOT pull up the slack and make it work
cross-platform identically as insinuated in their homepage.

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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

2020-08-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
You are certainly correct about the non-materialising assurances (pace 
the fund-raiser a few years back where almost none of the stretch goals 
materialised) and the begging for money. Recently LiveCode was 
effectively bankrupt and moved from its (needlessly) expensive offices 
in the centre of Edinburgh's New Town to somewhere less expensive.


I feel that LiveCode (the company) has never matured from "Kevin and his 
mates" to a fully-fledged,

going concern.

It makes me extremely sad, having discovered the "Kevin and his mates" 
versions in 2001/2
(RunRev 1.1.1, 2.0 & 2.0.1) that somewhere down the line things got 
either stuck or skewed,

as a lot of potential seems to have got lost.

Not least its potential as an entry-level language for teaching and as a 
prototyper.


On 25.08.20 16:47, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Paul

It’s a reasonable question so I’ll afford it the dignity it deserves. Here’s 
the thing. With thousands of £ invested in them including when they beg for 
money to help them out during times of distress you end up almost locked into 
their ecosystem. Besides, my main bread and butter client is 100% LiveCode 
dépendant so I HAVE to continue down the LC route.

Unless I do what Richmond suggests, which has often been on my mind, and just 
jump ship and abandon my client. I’ve had partnerships I’ve had to do this with 
before, mostly due to their poor business skills though. This one has been 
nothing but good to me especially since I came out of the mental hospital two 
years ago. I wouldn’t want to insult him.

And therein lies the rub because, to achieve the html conversion of his app his 
clients were effectively demanding, I had to have certain assurances from LC 
before investing yet more thousands of £ into them. However, that has all been 
proven to be LIES.

And this is the real reason of late I have been up on MY high horse. Because 
time and time again, things promised are NEVER delivered. Except FMPro so we 
are led to believe. If they were really making so many sales, Jacque, why on 
earth would they be begging for money to help them out?? Why don’t they call on 
their new FM partners or users??

In response to the question ‘what on earth made you believe it would be 100% 
cross platform’. Look on their homepage. The first 2 sections repeat it several 
times. According to that they have built their own system that delivers just 
this. Backed up by images that make it appear to be exactly this way with 
identical screen shots from multiple platforms. And they say it DOES NOT NEED 
ADDITIONAL CODE!!

How are you going to defend them this time? LC have not responded to this or my 
other posts. THEY KNOW I’M RIGHT and are keeping out of the frame.

Look at the bug report from my original post. Look at it. 15 years on, STILL 
NOT FIXED. Confirmed as a bug. Nothing done.

I want to give up so desperately but I am forced into carrying on until LC 
drive me into hospital yet again. I think I’ve explained enough above to show 
why that is. I’m doomed. I’m facing my own inevitable demise like someone with 
cancer.

But I won’t go down without a fight!

All the best to the best of you all. (But not the rest of you) ;)

Sean Cole
Pi Digital
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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

2020-08-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well; let's consider that suggestion:

1. The Holy Grail was an abstract idea dreamt up by the Knights Templars.

2. Most people have worked out by the time they are about 35 that 
perfection is a dangerous illusion.


3. "Years of hell": Why do you suppose the OP has stuck with LiveCode 
for the length of time he has if it has been 'hell'?


4. "find another language that will do exactly what you want" . . . 
ouch, I hurt my leg falling off the chair with laughter.


5. Why do I get a "funny feeling" that by calling yourself 'Paul 
Pystcat' you are an undercover agent pushing Python (a language

which I could say one or two "fruity" things about)?

6. The OP is NOT a fool; that is quite obvious from his previous 
postings over a number of years, and he would not be
posting the sort of thing he posted if he were considering abandonong 
LiveCode.


7. Err . . . on the subject of rants and "squishes" . . .

On 25.08.20 16:11, Paul Pystcat via use-livecode wrote:

I really have to ask…  if you are having such problems that are so 
insurmountable using LiveCode, then why not just abandon ship…?  Seriously.  If 
this is such a showstopper, why not find another language that will do exactly 
what you want..?  Don’t waste any more of your time.  Do it.  You may find the 
Holy Grail and all will be well… you can look back on your years of hell with 
LiveCode and laugh at us that remain.


On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:01 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Not Fridge, Fork.

I assume (dangerously) from your reply that you do not have to make real world 
applications for corporate branded customers. Where design has been done by a 
branding team with a 12 - 120 page Production guide). Someone like the BBC, 
Channel 4, NBC, or their subsidiaries. Like Saatchi and Saatchi, Mars, Ford, 
Pfizer, Virgin, VTech, Bandai.

My case study this project. Two week turnaround (first week primary development 
wireframed , second week skin and output for Windows(primary 
output)/Mac(Backup)). Tv gameshow multiscreen (some split across multiple 
screens themselves) for live recording screen graphics. 35 cards (or frames, 
pages, slides, whatever you want to call them) plus video inserts all with live 
updated content input by a controller on a remote machine (pc or Mac as they 
see fit on the day) as the show progresses.

As the platform my POC and his office colleagues was using was a PC it made 
sense to do development in Windows for output to PC and Mac for studio techs to 
pick from based on location around the studio (the gallery for controllers, 
back stage and stage floor). It is arse-umed that how it looks on Windows is 
how it should look on any other platform we distribute to including the various 
output sizes (1024x576SD, 960x540HHD, 1920x1080HD, 3840x2160 4k). Everything 
has to match to the pixel. That’s how branding works. We have no issue with 
that moving between platforms in editing and graphics platforms, so post 
production facilities (mine included) could not conceive or perceive that it 
would be any different in a development environment. Design it in photoshop on 
a pc and send it to your colleagues working in After Effects on a Mac and send 
it back to an editor on a PC running Premiere and it looks the same end to end. 
That is ‘just the way it is’!

So, after developing at a stupid rate, 12 solid 14-18hr days, we have the finished 
app layered out (don’t get me back on the layering embargo), animated with text 
& graphic moves and effects, ready for deployment out to Mac and PC. Tick the 
boxes in the standalone settings, build and open in their respective platforms.

Only to find that everything you had laid out perfectly matching on PC is 
totally screwed on the Mac. Opening up the stack on the Mac, it’s the same 
thing. Now with only one day to go I am forced to work out the fastest way to 
realign every text box (anything from 2 - 200 per card) so they match exactly 
regardless of platform. Like is done automatically on any other software we use.

That’s ‘real world’ development. Not to mention my current bread and butter job 
for Porrima which has, to date, 47 substacks, 377 cards, 10,800+ text objects 
and  is now being ported from PC o et to HTML5 by way of a tonne of 
NON-CODE-ONCE workarounds and layout alterations.

It’s this kind of BS that keeps me mental, ensures I don’t get too sane. Makes 
sure you get a good rant out of me every week or month.

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

That is HowTF  (What do you mean exactly by "How Tin Fridge"?) ;-), I get
things done.

Best, Richmond.

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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

2020-08-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Not a dangerous assumption at all, I assure you.

I do sympathise:

I made many applications for the United Arab Emirates University about 
22 years ago (HyperCard & Toolbook) and
was constantly falling foul of my bosses who knew nothing of the 
exigencies of either MacOS 8.1 or Windows NT,
and failed to understand that I just could NOT develop stuff with 
HyperCard for Macintosh that would exactly resemble

the things I was develpoing for NT with Toolbook.

I subsequently developed a commercial package using RunRev 2 (that's 
early LiveCode) and fell foul of my
employer again because of lack of cross-platform "transparency" between 
Windows 2000 and MacOS 9.1 and "X".


That was when I decided to make my primary income in a way which 
involved no bosses of any sort whatsoever, ever again.


I do know what "HowTF" means.

Next week I will be back in a physical classroom in my own EFL school, 
and, frankly, I could stand on my head and

blow bubbles through my nose, and would only be answerable to myself.

But, when I was 19 I hitch-hiked from Perth (in Scotland) to just south 
of Edinburgh with a bloke who was a career advisor
who told me that everyone should be their own boss by the time they were 
40. I didn't quite manage that, becoming my own

boss at 42.

Believe me: the water's warm and contains no sharks. :)

However; what on earth made you believe that LiveCode was 100% 
cross-platform? This is a bit like believing
(when one is 17) that all women (or any at all) will look like the 
air-brushed freaks one sees in Playboy.


I am sure that my income is far, far less than yours (well, it works out 
as about £1,000 a month), but the fridge
is full, my wife and I only fight about things that are not 
work-related, and I'm a happy camper.


And as you should be well aware by now; my rants are usually when I get 
up on my high-horse about something that,

in the great scheme of things, is really neither here nor there. :)

It might be time for you to "run away".

Best, Richmond.

On 25.08.20 13:01, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Not Fridge, Fork.

I assume (dangerously) from your reply that you do not have to make real world 
applications for corporate branded customers. Where design has been done by a 
branding team with a 12 - 120 page Production guide). Someone like the BBC, 
Channel 4, NBC, or their subsidiaries. Like Saatchi and Saatchi, Mars, Ford, 
Pfizer, Virgin, VTech, Bandai.

My case study this project. Two week turnaround (first week primary development 
wireframed , second week skin and output for Windows(primary 
output)/Mac(Backup)). Tv gameshow multiscreen (some split across multiple 
screens themselves) for live recording screen graphics. 35 cards (or frames, 
pages, slides, whatever you want to call them) plus video inserts all with live 
updated content input by a controller on a remote machine (pc or Mac as they 
see fit on the day) as the show progresses.

As the platform my POC and his office colleagues was using was a PC it made 
sense to do development in Windows for output to PC and Mac for studio techs to 
pick from based on location around the studio (the gallery for controllers, 
back stage and stage floor). It is arse-umed that how it looks on Windows is 
how it should look on any other platform we distribute to including the various 
output sizes (1024x576SD, 960x540HHD, 1920x1080HD, 3840x2160 4k). Everything 
has to match to the pixel. That’s how branding works. We have no issue with 
that moving between platforms in editing and graphics platforms, so post 
production facilities (mine included) could not conceive or perceive that it 
would be any different in a development environment. Design it in photoshop on 
a pc and send it to your colleagues working in After Effects on a Mac and send 
it back to an editor on a PC running Premiere and it looks the same end to end. 
That is ‘just the way it is’!

So, after developing at a stupid rate, 12 solid 14-18hr days, we have the finished 
app layered out (don’t get me back on the layering embargo), animated with text 
& graphic moves and effects, ready for deployment out to Mac and PC. Tick the 
boxes in the standalone settings, build and open in their respective platforms.

Only to find that everything you had laid out perfectly matching on PC is 
totally screwed on the Mac. Opening up the stack on the Mac, it’s the same 
thing. Now with only one day to go I am forced to work out the fastest way to 
realign every text box (anything from 2 - 200 per card) so they match exactly 
regardless of platform. Like is done automatically on any other software we use.

That’s ‘real world’ development. Not to mention my current bread and butter job 
for Porrima which has, to date, 47 substacks, 377 cards, 10,800+ text objects 
and  is now being ported from PC o et to HTML5 by way of a tonne of 
NON-CODE-ONCE workarounds and layout alterations.

It’s this kind of BS that keeps me mental, ensures I don’t get too sane. Makes 
sure you get 

Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

2020-08-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well: stew my foot and call me "Brenda" . . .

https://youtu.be/sLeG7gxIJx4

those 2 pictures look extremely similar to me.

I, frankly, never worry about fonts in things like that cross-platform
for the very, very simple reason that I set up the thing the way I want on
the platform I'm working on and import a snapshot of it, so it is exactly
the same wherever it ends up.

That is HowTF  (What do you mean exactly by "How Tin Fridge"?) ;-), I get
things done.

Best, Richmond.

On 25.08.20 0:59, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond, buddy.

The font IS embedded. Not a problem using the font itself. It is the same
physical font on the two platforms. That's not what I'm asking when you
read past paragraph one.

HowTF do you get them to show up in the same 'fin place though (ie, the
pixel placement of the text itself, baseline, etc) from one platform to the
next?

Looking at the images and reading the request properly first before
commenting always helps. ;)

--

Side note follow up:
put fontstyles("Arial",0) - Put that in Windows and Mac messagebox and get
two different results -- MIND BLOWN! It's 2020 people. This was solved back
in the 70's, wasn't it? Who's overcomplicating this?

 From Livecode.com landing page:

Extremely Multiplatform Now with HTML5

Create native applications for iOS, Android, Windows, Mac, Linux, Server &
The Web all from the same code.
Code once, deploy to billions of devices. LiveCode is a truly
multi-platform programming tool with iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux,
Server & HTML5 deployment options.


'CODE ONCE!' (With a billion workarounds to make it display the same across
platforms).

Not exactly what it says on the tin, is it!?!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 22:38, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


How about embedding your fonts in the standalone?

On 24.08.20 23:49, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

What is the current 'workaround' everyone is using when creating a
cross-platform app to make sure that all text appears the same regardless
of platform? Particularly between Windows and Mac for me at the moment.

My client provided the font they needed in line with their tv show brand.
They need the app to work both PC and Mac. It seems I have to manually go
through each field, button and widget and make sure they are laid out
properly. The left, right, center alignments don't always match and the
vertical position certainly never matches.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v50aj7uv06bh4d9/MacText.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pry5teqp89xzbun/PCText.png?dl=0

(This dates all the way to bug 3076!! Pretty awesome to hold onto a bug
reported back in 2005 for something so basic. Kudos to LC for keeping on
top of it.)

Also, side note, does anyone remember why we STILL have a discrepancy
between fontnames() in Mac and Windows? Not only do the windows fonts

show

alphabetically and mac dramatically out of order, but also, the names
themselves are screwed up:

 1. eg, Windows: Helvetica Neue
 2. Mac: Helvetica, Helvetica Bold, Helvetica Bold Oblique, Helvetica
 Light, Helvetica Light Oblique, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica Neue Bold,
 Helvetica Neue Bold Italic, Helvetica Neue Condensed Black,

Helvetica Neue

 Condensed Bold, Helvetica Neue Italic, Helvetica Neue Light,

Helvetica Neue

 Light Italic, Helvetica Neue Medium, Helvetica Neue Medium Italic,
 Helvetica Neue Thin, Helvetica Neue Thin Italic, Helvetica Neue

UltraLight,

 Helvetica Neue UltraLight Italic, Helvetica Oblique


 - eg. Windows: Arial, Arial Rounded MT, Arial Unicode MS
 - Mac: Arial, Arial, Arial Black, Arial Bold, Arial Bold, Arial Bold
 Italic, Arial Bold Italic, Arial Hebrew, Arial Hebrew Bold, Arial

Hebrew

 Light, Arial Hebrew Scholar, Arial Hebrew Scholar Bold, Arial Hebrew
 Scholar Light, Arial Italic, Arial Italic, Arial Narrow, Arial

Narrow Bold,

 Arial Narrow Bold Italic, Arial Narrow Italic, Arial Rounded MT

Bold, Arial

 Unicode MS

This is bonkers for a SDK that purports to make it 'Easy' to make
cross-platform apps.

Thanks all

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

2020-08-24 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

How about embedding your fonts in the standalone?

On 24.08.20 23:49, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

What is the current 'workaround' everyone is using when creating a
cross-platform app to make sure that all text appears the same regardless
of platform? Particularly between Windows and Mac for me at the moment.

My client provided the font they needed in line with their tv show brand.
They need the app to work both PC and Mac. It seems I have to manually go
through each field, button and widget and make sure they are laid out
properly. The left, right, center alignments don't always match and the
vertical position certainly never matches.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v50aj7uv06bh4d9/MacText.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pry5teqp89xzbun/PCText.png?dl=0

(This dates all the way to bug 3076!! Pretty awesome to hold onto a bug
reported back in 2005 for something so basic. Kudos to LC for keeping on
top of it.)

Also, side note, does anyone remember why we STILL have a discrepancy
between fontnames() in Mac and Windows? Not only do the windows fonts show
alphabetically and mac dramatically out of order, but also, the names
themselves are screwed up:

1. eg, Windows: Helvetica Neue
2. Mac: Helvetica, Helvetica Bold, Helvetica Bold Oblique, Helvetica
Light, Helvetica Light Oblique, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica Neue Bold,
Helvetica Neue Bold Italic, Helvetica Neue Condensed Black, Helvetica Neue
Condensed Bold, Helvetica Neue Italic, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue
Light Italic, Helvetica Neue Medium, Helvetica Neue Medium Italic,
Helvetica Neue Thin, Helvetica Neue Thin Italic, Helvetica Neue UltraLight,
Helvetica Neue UltraLight Italic, Helvetica Oblique


- eg. Windows: Arial, Arial Rounded MT, Arial Unicode MS
- Mac: Arial, Arial, Arial Black, Arial Bold, Arial Bold, Arial Bold
Italic, Arial Bold Italic, Arial Hebrew, Arial Hebrew Bold, Arial Hebrew
Light, Arial Hebrew Scholar, Arial Hebrew Scholar Bold, Arial Hebrew
Scholar Light, Arial Italic, Arial Italic, Arial Narrow, Arial Narrow Bold,
Arial Narrow Bold Italic, Arial Narrow Italic, Arial Rounded MT Bold, Arial
Unicode MS

This is bonkers for a SDK that purports to make it 'Easy' to make
cross-platform apps.

Thanks all

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
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Re: Object naming

2020-07-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

You are asking for trouble.

Think about something as goofy and as simple as this:

Inside A1, there is a rect called "R1" and also a group called "B1"
inside B1 there is a rect called "R2" . . .

Am I missing something?

Richmond.

On 28.07.20 10:27, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Alex:

> Using unambiguous short names prevents behaviour scripts
> that references child controls completely

Sure about that? (Option A)

> Inside A, there is a rect called "R" and also a group called "B"
> inside B there is a rect called "R"

Or put the "direct" R in a subgroup also. (Option B)
A-B-R vs A-C-R.

Richard:

> One Buffalo Bill. And one Biffalo Buff.

I like that one.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/


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Re: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

2020-07-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Here in Bulgaria it is fast enough for me because I always slope
off for a cup of coffee whenever something is downloading.

And the really "annoying" thing is that most of the time downloads
finish before I've come back into the room. :)

Richmond.

On 8.07.20 19:46, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode wrote:

I got 22 MB/sec from New York City  and 14MB/Sec form Madrid (Spain).

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Tore 
Nilsen via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Tore Nilsen 
Subject: Re: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

I got + - 10MB/sec from Norway. Downloaded the Business Edition in under 1 min.

Tore Nilsen


7. jul. 2020 kl. 23:46 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
:

I was wondering if anyone has tried to download any version of
LiveCode from the website recently.  I just tried today and it is
glacially slow.

I’m also running into a problem where
version 9.5.1 which used to work fine
is now complaining that the license
isn’t any good anymore.  I tried the
manual fix and even that didn’t work.
My licenses are all up to date too.

Anyone else having similar problems?

Let me know.

Thanks,

Rick
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Re: No Replies (or anything)

2020-06-30 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Ever so slightly 'offensive' message from Richmond.

Are you getting this?

Best.

On 30.06.20 18:24, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all.

I’m not getting anything on the use list.

Bob S

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Re: AR in LiveCode Browser?

2020-06-30 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
It would have been helpful for the uninitiated like myself if you had 
explained that 'AR'

menat 'Augmented Reality' and that you were referring to USDZ files.

https://developer.apple.com/augmented-reality/quick-look/

As Klaus stated; I can view that thing in Preview, but NOT in Waterfox 
(Firefox side-job),
so expecting that to be displayed in the LC browser is probably 
expecting a bit much.


Richmond.

On 30.06.20 12:07, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Dan,


Am 30.06.2020 um 01:47 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
:

I am trying to display and use an AR object in a webpage in a LiveCode browser. 
  It don't work!Feels like the LC browser (native or widget) doesn't have 
access to the native AR features.   For example, if I open this URL 
https://nexen.ehpec.com/usdz.html in Safari, it works great!

if I open that url in Safari, the .USDZ file gets downloaded and not displayed 
in Safari.
However I can open (and interact with) the file with QuickLook or even Preview.

We are talking about Desktop, aren't we?


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
kl...@major-k.de


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Ansi-Pantsy

2020-06-30 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Why does fontLanguage return ANSI for English language fonts instead of 
romething like 'Roman'?


There is a fundamental mismatch between 'ANSI' and Unicode.

Richmond.

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Re: Platform Divergence

2020-06-23 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
A plastic bath-toy that dumbs everything down for the fashionistas and 
rich, slack-jawed morons.


Vrey sad indeed.

On 23.06.20 22:36, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:

Got really depressed watching the presentation.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:22 Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


We make and sell a desktop application (Windows and macOS) for a niche
research market. I expect when Apple does their migration to a common
processor and OS, Apple Developer's will have to go through all of Apple
hoops for all their platforms.Most of our customer don't care about UI
widget animations. They want the app to do certain functions and do them
well and quickly to work with their data. As long as the UI is
effective, whether it conforms precisely to Microsoft or Apple UI
guidelines is secondary. So, even if you only care about desktops, your
app will have to be sold through Apple's single App Store, conform to
all screen sizes on all their devices, and follow all their UI
guidelines, etc.

At that point, given that Windows is 2/3rd of our market and macOS
1/3rd, we'll drop support for macOS sadly. I say sadly because our
application originated way back in the late 1980 as a HyperCard App for
MacOS.

But, to your point, your concern IS valid for those people wanting Apps
from you that they insist MUST conform to all of Apple's esoteric
requirements. It is likely it will become increasingly harder for the
LiveCode ideal of develop once and deploy everywhere.


On 6/23/2020 2:56 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote:

This year’s WWDC shows Apple is moving to a unified ‘system' for all

their products: Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AppleTV.

The Apple development environment promises to produce a single app

capable of running on all, or almost all, of Apple devices. This
unification promises to be quite convenient for Apple developers.

In contrast, over the last decade or so there has been an ever

increasing divergence in UX between major operating systems: Apple,
Windows, Linux, Android. The days when systems were so similar that you
could rely on the commonality of a handful of UI elements across platforms
seems over to me. That’s troubling because such commonality is fundamental
to LiveCode’s approach - write once, run everywhere.

In watching WWDC sessions it’s pretty clear that even simple UI elements

have become more like UX elements having intrinsic and complex properties,
such as certain visual and behavioral animations. Users readily learn to
expect these behaviors. Yet such things are increasing difficult to fake
with LiveCode’s basic palette of objects.

Enter LiveCode Builder and LC Widgets. They offer the promise of

platform-specific UI elements - a promise fulfilled with some simple
elements like iOS Native Button or Android Native Field. But I’m concerned
that as platforms diverge in the interface experiences they present to
users, that LC and LC developers will have difficulty satisfying users'
divergent expectations.

Is my concern valid?

Jim Lambert


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Re: on cheese

2020-06-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Wow: this is like heating up Gouda: it can run and run, and run.

Richmond.

On 8.06.20 22:36, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:

Martin mentioned,


Suppose someone made a cheese related app

I tried that once but the code was full of holes.

On the bright side, I could debug it just by heating it . . .
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Re: Times ARE changing

2020-06-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Oh, blast, I was wrong: I thought the author was Angela Banner: just 
shows you how long those books

have sat, untouched, on my shelf.

Thank you very much for the correction.

Richmond.

On 8.06.20 18:32, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Times are hardly changing at all in substance, actually - this is 
nothing but a superficial change of costumes in society's grand parade 
of exquisite nonsense. Always a great pretense of love, always plenty 
of real hate and prejudice. The thugs and their victims do change in 
every Act of society's Play, fitting the fashions of the day, but 
either way it's still innocent people getting hurt.


For devotees of virtue signaling, let's cut to the chase - time to 
change your OWN names too! Lest Tom or Jane offend the perpetually 
triggered, not to mention the horror of David, Nancy, Joshua, or Billy 
with all the cultural skeletons that imaginative minds could attach to 
them. (I could, easily.) Let's be thorough and not stop half-way with 
the cultural lobotomy.


For those who love fake news and fictitious history, here's a true 
fact to completely ruin the day: I grew up deep in the real South (not 
the TV or novel versions) and heard a number of derogatory racial 
terms for all races including my own, but NEVER once Sambo. At least 
not by real live English speakers in that region - again, books and TV 
aside. The point of real derogatory terms would be to sound nasty and 
hurtful, and in most places where I've been, Sambo just wouldn't cut 
it. Sorry. Maybe it could have been a problem up in the North or out 
in California (I have no idea) but certainly not in the South where I 
was.


For book burners and those who love censorship, here's the ultimate 
downer: the glory of Gutenberg, still going strong!


http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17824

Once enough people finally tire of pretense and corruption and 
control, the smart and honest people of every background can and will 
finally get on with the REAL business of a non-prejudiced society to 
benefit real people. And it won't be anything like the media/mob fantasy.


Speaking of cheese - even "Cheddar is better" or "I only own 
Provolone" would seem amazingly intellectual and relevant when 
compared to mind-numbing trends like this! But I dare say LiveCode 
topics would be even MORE relevant than either Sambo or the wonders of 
cheese! Not to mention talented/hilarious Vikings and glorious, 
marvelous sp*m


Always in love, but always with some intelligence too,

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: Possible Catalina problem...

2020-06-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well, goofy as it may seem . . .

MacOS 10.15.5 / LiveCode 9.6.0 Community

I made a stack containing 1 butoon and NO code and called it "example 1" 
and ran off a Mac standalone.


The I renamed the stack "example 2" and did exactly the same thing.

Both of the resultant standalones lauched without an "funny" messages.

HOWEVER, that result is only of any value as far as 2 apps built from 
what are effectively "zero" stacks go (not very far at all).


Richmond.

On 8.06.20 17:55, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
We have run into a possible problem. Researchware makes two 
applications, HyperRESEARCH and HyperTRANSCRIBE. We have new 
forthcoming versions of both built on LiveCode 9.5.1.


These two applications are code signed and the DMG is code signed, 
notarized, and stapled for Catalina. They both work fine on testing on 
macOS ranging from Mavericks (10.9) to Mojave (10.14).


We also only have a single Catalina system to test on. On that single 
system, each application seems to work fine, but if we run them at the 
same time, the second app to launch throws a script error on startup - 
and it looks like it may be related to network actions on startup.


We have a TON more testing to do, but I wanted to ask if anyone have 
seen ANY Catalina specific problems running multiple LiveCode 
standalones at the same time?


Our hope is that this is a problem SPECIFIC to our single Catalina mac 
and not a LC Engine or tsNet Catalina specific bug of some sort. To 
know that some one else has run multiple LC 9 standalones at the same 
time on Catalina and seen no errors would be kind of encouraging right 
now.







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Re: on cheese

2020-06-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Presumably the majority of the discussion would revolve around 
programming considerations
rather than the whiff of gorgonzola: so I cannot see how that should be 
a problem.


On 8.06.20 17:25, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:

Suppose someone made a cheese related app maybe one that handles all of the 
calculations needed during the cheese making process:

https://www.uoguelph.ca/foodscience/book/export/html/1874

Would they be able to discuss their app on the list?

Martin


On Jun 8, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hmmm?

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 7 Jun 2020, at 22:13, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Cheese

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Re: Times ARE changing

2020-06-07 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well put, good point.

On 7.06.20 11:06, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond wrote:
> If some of these types who go on endlessly about anything that might
> be vaguely construed as 'racist' were capable of slightly more subtle
> thought they might examine intentions: after all if we all judged
> people on what they looked like most of us would be out of a job and
> starving.

There is also the problem of linguistic false cognates. Similar words 
from different regions often have very different etymologies.


While the stories of the old British Empire can be charming (I love 
the two hard-bound volumes of Kipling my father gave me), the Indian 
tale is unrelated to both the origins of the American word "sambo" and 
its colloquial use.


On this continent, much of our language is influenced by the Spanish 
who were among the first Europeans to explore and settle most the 
Americas.


From Wikipedia:

   The word "sambo" came into the English language from the Latin
   American Spanish word zambo, the Spanish word in Latin America
   for a person of mixed African and Native American descent.[3]
   This in turn may have come from one of three African language
   sources. Webster's Third International Dictionary holds that
   it may have come from the Kongo word nzambu ("monkey") — the
   z of (Latin American) Spanish being pronounced here like the
   English s.

Complicating matters further is the difference between etymology and 
popular usage, as Ms Gay has reminded us with good humor over the 
years. :)


English-speaking people in the US didn't use the word until after the 
American Civil War, popularized mostly by the losing side of that 
conflict as a derogatory term.


Though the war was long ago, the legacy is evident. We needn't go any 
further on that here in this programmer's list.


It is indeed unfortunate that those who used the word most commonly in 
the States have cast an unfortunate pallor on a tale from the other 
side of the world, and that Samuel Battistone and Newell Bohnett found 
themselves in an awkward spot with their restaurants well known for 
excellent pancake breakfasts.


Indeed, the Santa Barbara restaurant is still family-owned, and the 
current manager Chad Stevens has expressed a hopeful note about the 
name change that goes into effect this Friday:


"With the changing world and circumstances, the name isn’t just about 
what it means to us, but the meaning it holds for others. At this 
point, our family has looked into our hearts and realize that we must 
be sensitive when others whom we respect make a strong appeal. So 
today we stand in solidarity with those seeking change and doing our 
part."


Maybe best of all, the new temporary name they'll be using while the 
family decides on a permanent one is: "☮"


https://www.noozhawk.com/article/bizhawk_sambos_santa_barbara_to_change_name_20200604 



By any name, the restaurant at 216 W. Cabrillo Blvd in Santa Barbara 
is well worth making a point of visiting whenever you're passing 
through that part of California's coast.  The pancakes are truly awesome.



This is quite off-topic, and I hope this momentary indulgence in 
etymology and pancakes doesn't stray too close to cheese.


Back to our regularly-scheduled LiveCode discussion, where I'll post a 
question about the Browser widget next...





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Re: Times ARE changing

2020-06-07 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
My best friend (in fact the only friend that has been consistently my 
friend for 58 years), Rohit Das, who was
born in Scotland in the same hospital as me, has Indian parents (and, in 
fact, he bides in India just now),
used to read Little Black Sambo with me, and we used to laugh together. 
We also went through all of Angela Banner's

other books in that series about Black Jumbo, Black Mumbo and so on.

Now my friend's skin is the same colour as that of Little Black Sambo. 
Neither he nor I (I was red-haired and
pink) were ever consious that we were laughing at anything promoting 
racial stereotypes. I remember I told my
Mum that I wanted to climb up a tree to see if that would attract tigers 
that would turn into butter.


I own the complete set of Angela Banner's books and fully intend to read 
them to any grandchildren who come along.
This could be fun as my younger son (3/8 Bulgarian, 1/8 Albanian, 3/8 
Scots, 1/8 English) looks set to marry a
wonderful young lady from California (1/2 Taiwan Chinese, 1/4 Jamaican 
Chinese, 1/4 Chigro); in all probability

producing kids that I will love to bits.

When I was 2 I asked my Mum what was wrong with me because my skin was 
not black like Rohit's.


If some of these types who go on endlessly about anything that might be 
vaguely construed as 'racist' were capable of
slightly more subtle thought they might examine intentions: after all if 
we all judged people on what they looked like most

of us would be out of a job and starving.

On 6.06.20 23:29, PEL via use-livecode wrote:

Children,

As you all remember, I did a lot of work with a certain nation-wide restaurant chain 
 in the 80s. 
I ate cherry pancakes at over 300 locations - including the original in Santa 
Barbara. I knew both “Sam” and “Bo”.

Back then the company fought fiercely to protect the name - which was composed 
of the founders: Sam Battistone and Newell “Bo” Bohnet. They pointed out, 
correctly, that “Little Black Sambo” was Indian, not African. And it was 
obvious that most protesters had not “read” the book.

Yet, recognizing that in our fact-free age, image counts a lot, the kids have 
made a good move. I think Sam and Bo would understand.

Suddenly I’m hungry for cherry pancakes… Road Trip to Santa Barbara, anyone?

Dad
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Re: Unicode and languages

2020-06-05 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I doubt that. But if you can determine the Unicode range that is being 
used you can at least know which writing system is being used. You could 
then trap for individual glyphs (such as 'џ', which is only used in 
Macedonian) to narrow things down a spot.


On 5.06.20 20:15, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
In all the added stuff the LC7 and higher Unicode engine includes, is 
there any way to determine the LANGUAGE of a range of text?


USE-CASE

We have a tool that helps researchers transcribe text from digital 
media. It is used internationally. We have added spell checking using 
lclSpell form Live Code Labs, a LiveCode store add-on.


For lclSpell, we only have Dictionaries for a small set of languages. 
You can build you own Dictionaries for lclSpell, but we'll still only 
have Dictionaries for a small subset of the languages people 
transcribe in. We also have people who do BOTH transcription AND 
translations.


For example, transcribing a Chinese language media recording, typing 
in the Simplified or Traditional Chinese characters AND then translate 
it to English, typing the English translation after the transcription.


With lclSpell (or I suspect ANY LiveCode compatible spell checker) if 
you try to spell check a reasonably large chunk of text that is NOT in 
the same language as your Dictionary, it ties up LiveCode forever, or 
at least such a long time and most people would force-quit. It is 
after all marking every word as misspelled and trying to do whatever 
it does to determine  that.


Now, you can react, that the researcher should just KNOW better than 
to do Spell check a text in a language that is not their loaded 
Dictionary! However, people are people, and will do such things and 
expect software to protect them from their own mistakes. Also, with 
mixed transcription and translation, you do want to spell check the 
English part and skip the Chinese (if you do not have a Chinese 
Dictionary)


So, we're looking for a way to detect the LANGUAGE of a range of text, 
in a LiveCode field, to be able to then determine whether it matches 
the current (or any available) dictionary or not and act accordingly.


There is a "fontLanguage" function in LC, but that seem to predate 
Unicode Everywhere and seem pretty useless now.


For example. in a new stack, with a single scrolling field, we paste 
in a Chinese text and then execute:


put the fontLanguage of (the effective textfont of char 1 to -1 of fld 1)

and get "ansi". Even you you set the range (char 2 to 3) that is 
specifically Chinese (no white space), it still returns "ansi". The 
textFont returns empty and the effective textFont returns "Segue UI"


I don't even know if language exists in the IBM Unicode engine as some 
exportable property a future version of LiveCode could expose.


Any clever ideas or thoughts on this problem are welcome.



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Re: Licencing files for LC 9.6.0 rc-2

2020-05-27 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Thank you very much.

On 27.05.20 12:17, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Scroll down the list of downloads, below the fold. You will find all the test 
releases including 9.6.0 rc2. We forced rc1 to the top because the current 
stable release, 9.5.1, is not signed for Catalina and was causing problems for 
new users.

Best Regards,

Heather


On 26 May 2020, at 20:07, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Offline activation files for LC 9.6.0 rc-2 don't seem to be available?

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Licencing files for LC 9.6.0 rc-2

2020-05-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Offline activation files for LC 9.6.0 rc-2 don't seem to be available?

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Re: Dark Mode Detection

2020-04-17 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well: you and I both are at fault:

Myself for expecting LiveCode to adopt dark mode,

and you for describing something as "fine print" which is nothing of the 
sort.


Love, love bites, bites and so on.

Richmond.

On 17.04.20 20:37, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 17.04.2020 um 19:26 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

"Dark mode detection
A new systemAppearance property has been added which returns
dark if the application is running in dark mode and light otherwise.

A new systemAppearanceChanged message is now sent to the current card of the 
defaultStack
when the system appearance changes."

And where would the 'fine print' be?

the "fine print" is to not think that LC suddenly has an actual DARK MODE
that we can switch on and off as we like! That is not the case! 8-)


On 17.04.20 19:33, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 17.04.2020 um 18:20 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

Well, as per the Read Me for LC 9.6.0 DP-4 . . .
Running on MacOS 10.15.5 beta 1 in dark mode: LiveCode is as white as a white 
thing.
Um?

get used to also read the fineprint! :-D

Best

Klaus
--
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https://www.major-k.de
kl...@major-k.de


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Re: Dark Mode Detection

2020-04-17 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

"Dark mode detection
A new systemAppearance property has been added which returns
dark if the application is running in dark mode and light otherwise.

A new systemAppearanceChanged message is now sent to the current card of 
the defaultStack

when the system appearance changes."

And where would the 'fine print' be?

On 17.04.20 19:33, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 17.04.2020 um 18:20 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

Well, as per the Read Me for LC 9.6.0 DP-4 . . .
Running on MacOS 10.15.5 beta 1 in dark mode: LiveCode is as white as a white 
thing.
Um?

get used to also read the fineprint! :-D


Best

Klaus

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Dark Mode Detection

2020-04-17 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well, as per the Read Me for LC 9.6.0 DP-4 . . .

Running on MacOS 10.15.5 beta 1 in dark mode: LiveCode is as white as a 
white thing.


Um?

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Re: MP3s

2020-04-13 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Having the ability to import resources into a stack, whether they be 
images, videos or sounds is a great strength;
and much better than having a ReadMe document accompanying one's 
standalones telling people where they have to
bung a slew of referenced resources . . . knowing that about 50% of 
people will put them in the wrong place and then

complain they want their money back because your application doesn't work.

This may be "old-fashioned", but so am I teaching kids how to program 
with BBC computers from the 1980s;

doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

And on Linux . . . what a shambles.

Re MP3s /per se/: either LiveCode should be capable of embedding them, 
or, possibly by leveraging open source
code, it should be able to read MP3 files and store the musical data 
contained within them inwith stacks in some

format that can then be played . . .

The compression available via MP3 well outweighs any possible loss in 
sound quality - frankly I wonder if anyone over the
age of 18 can tell the difference unless the sound file is then played 
through some high-end equipment.


When I was 23 I was walking past a HiFi shop in Durham City when I was 
seduced to go inside and listen
to a demonstration of Quadraphonic sound (does anyone except me actually 
remember that?). I was sat down in an
office chair between 4 speakers and listened to some music by Queen; 
then again on another chair between 2 speakers.
A slightly oily fellow with an unctuous voice then said, "Of course you 
heard the difference between the stereo
and the quad, didn't you?"  Talk about leading tag questions. Feeling 
like a "right peasant," I said, "No" and left.


I did actually hear a difference: but not in terms of the musical 
quality as such, but in the effect of being "within' the space where the 
music was taking place.


I went home and by jacking together 6 loud speakers and a tobacco tin to 
my record player I got a Quad effect for nix!


Purists (err; sound experts or plain posers? who knows) would have howled.

Now I listen to any old music "as it comes" and feel lucky that I can 
hear it, especially on mornings like this one

when my tinnitus is singing a song of its own.

Embed, embed, embed . . . Please.

Best, Richmond.

On 13.04.20 2:01, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Graham Samuel wrote:

> Still, subject closed - I presume the mother ship has long ago decided
> not to enhance LC in this respect any time soon.

Not at all.  I noticed this thread got off on the tangent of codec 
specifics, but never addressed your core question:


LiveCode can play all of those and more.

Just not specifically using the old audioClip method.  That method was 
an early attempt to emulate HC's resource-fork-based SND clips, and 
never got past using the .au format which was popular way back in the 
day on the platform MetaCard was born on, Unix.


Since then audio and video support assumes richer formats of greater 
length than are practical with embedded media clips.


Play them as files and you should be fine.

(That is, unless you need to deploy to Linux, where the Player object 
started breaking a few years after the turn of the century and has 
gotten steadily worse since.)




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Re: LiveCode useless seems to be Junk

2020-04-13 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

That's a good idea, thank you.

Richmond.

On 13.04.20 2:33, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

On 4/12/20 1:11 PM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
This is a real pain-in-the-bum, but Thunderbird has recently started 
marking posts from

the Use-list as junk.

I wonder if anyone knows whay, and whether there is something that 
can be done: either at my end, or server-side?


I use Thunderbird and don't see the problem. I have a filter that 
moves list mail to another folder, you could try that.





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LiveCode useless seems to be Junk

2020-04-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
This is a real pain-in-the-bum, but Thunderbird has recently started 
marking posts from

the Use-list as junk.

I wonder if anyone knows whay, and whether there is something that can 
be done: either at my end, or server-side?


Richmond.

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Re: MP3s

2020-04-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

You are not ignorant . . .

And the sound import stuff in LiveCode is donkey's years out of date.

"Just for fun" I exported a sound file as WAV, AIFF and MP3 using Audacity"

WAV 36.9 MB

AIFF  36.9 MB

MP3  4.4 MB

which means that WAV and AIFF stink about 9 times more than MP3

NWO: as Audacity is Open Source: https://www.audacityteam.org/

and can import, read and export sound files in MP3 format . . .

the good folks at LiveCode central could leverage those bits of code to 
do the same sort of thing

inwith LiveCode . . .

Of course, as the only kind of word that seems to motivate round those 
parts nowadays seems to be "mobile"

I'll shout MOBILE. 8-)

Richmond.

On 12.04.20 20:09, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but Is there really no way to put an mp3 sound into a 
stack as an audioclip and play it? Seems unlikely, but that’s what the 
dictionary says. WAV, forsooth!

Graham
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Re: MP3s

2020-04-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

AIFF

On 12.04.20 20:09, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but Is there really no way to put an mp3 sound into a 
stack as an audioclip and play it? Seems unlikely, but that’s what the 
dictionary says. WAV, forsooth!

Graham
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Re: Building a Board Game

2020-04-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

That could be a hexagon instead of a square.

On 7.04.20 22:24, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

I know there must be a simple way to do this but it is escaping me at the 
moment. How can I move an object (grab me on mouseDown) and have it snap to a 
grid (square on a board game) on mouseUp?

Thanks much,

Roger
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Re: Building a Board Game

2020-04-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Um . . . http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=33886

Rough morning!

Best, Richmond.

On 7.04.20 22:24, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

I know there must be a simple way to do this but it is escaping me at the 
moment. How can I move an object (grab me on mouseDown) and have it snap to a 
grid (square on a board game) on mouseUp?

Thanks much,

Roger
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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

2020-04-02 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

That sounds groovy, and I wish you all the best.

However, you will be relieved to find that I will be using Zoom to teach 
English to
Bulgarian children at that time so cannot come and misbehave in my usual 
way with you.


I do hope that all the good folk at LiveCode central are safe and in 
good fighting fettle.


Best wishes, Richmond Mathewson.

On 2.04.20 13:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list folks,

I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to 
discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this 
period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to 
facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual debate, 
discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! Come along 
and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just to reiterate, 
the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not talking religion 
or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)

To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have turned 
on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below to 
register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting will 
be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to Summer 
Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:

https://www.timeanddate.com/ 

or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a timezone 
to see what time it will be for you.

The invitation:

You are invited to a Zoom meeting.

When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the meeting.

Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!

Heather

Heather Laine
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Re: How to find the column and row of a basic tableField

2020-04-02 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Specialising in missing the point as I do, I've posted something here:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=33859

Richmond.

On 2.04.20 1:52, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks Bernd.

This only works if there is already data in the field. If you put empty into 
the field it produces no results. In those instances you are forced to get an 
x,y clickLoc and use the tabstops and textHeight to hard code the result.

The revTableLibrary was last modified in 2015 from your recommendations and 
pulls. Notable is the ones in revCalculateCellLoc and revCalculateCellRect. 
Interestingly in revCalculateCellLoc there is a couple of lines that set 
cREVTable[“currentxcell”] and [“currentycell”] of the object.

Using:
Put cRevTable[“currentxcell”],cRevTable[“currentycell”] into tCellIndex
Works a charm.

To make this work you do need to have cellEdit enabled but to avoid having it 
actually enable editing the text, in the mouseup just have a ‘select nothing’ 
to immediately exit the field. That way you only return the xy index and can 
use other means to add in or collect cell data.

This is far less convoluted and exactly what I was looking for. None of this 
faffing around with huge lines of code. LiveCode is supposed to be EASY and 
almost instinctive. This is pretty close.

It’s a real shame that these are not visible in the property inspector as 
standard properties and not even in the customProperties cRevTable until you 
have clicked into one of the cells in runtime when it populate the custom set.

It’s even more of a shame that this is not documented anywhere, in the 
dictionary, guide, lessons, tutorials. It’s practically lost to obscurity in 
the forums too only being found if I search for currentxcell specifically. I 
only found it by hacking through all of the object library code of the IDE 
stacks.

This definitely make the table field object far more useful, though.

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd
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Re: Using Shift + Cmd + 1 as a menu short in LiveCode

2020-03-30 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

This is worth a look:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236

On 30.03.20 19:54, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:

On Mar 30, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Cmd-E will eject a mounted removable disk. I've never heard of Cmd-Shift-1.

Newbie :)

It seems to have disappeared some time ago.

I know that I used it some years ago on a CD, to my surprise.

-3 and -4 are still live, but the whole set were very, very low level way back 
when.

I bring it up because even thought apparently not implemented any more, there 
might still be some system intercept that catches it under some OSX variants.


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Re: Using Shift + Cmd + 1 as a menu short in LiveCode

2020-03-30 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well, or what it's worth I just tried Cmd_Shift_1 on my Mac Mini and 
nothing happened, so, if it
really "floats yer boat" you should be able to use it as some sort of 
short cut in LiveCode.


On 30.03.20 18:02, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Cmd-E will eject a mounted removable disk. I've never heard of Cmd-Shift-1.

Bob S



On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:09 , doc hawk via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Isn’t that the key sequence for ejecting the internal floppy, err, first 
removable disk?

It does seem to be removed from recent releases, though (although -3 an -4 
still work, though not quite how they used to . . )

These were in the original release for the 128k . . .

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Re: Its very quiet

2020-03-27 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I didn't get this message, so I'm not replying.

Battling with getting online teaching started.

Best, Richmond.

On 27.03.20 17:08, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

We are all still here, right? Our list hasn't fallen over again...

If you get this, no need to reply ;) Only let me know if you don't.

Cheers

Heather

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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
This is a fantastic idea, although I'd be wary of the takeaway pizza: it 
might be infected.


I am using Zoom myself for my work with children, and it works very well 
indeed.


To all my friend, acquaintances, sparring-partners and enemies on the 
Use-List: do keep safe and healthy:

the world would be a lot poorer without you.

Best, Richmond.

On 25.03.20 16:47, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List Folks,

These are strange and difficult times. Thanks to COVID-19 we at LiveCode Ltd. 
are all now working from home, and staying together as a company via Zoom and 
Slack. It's working pretty well for us I must say, at least so far. Turns out 
programmers don't much mind being locked in a room alone with just a computer 
and a takeaway pizza for company...

I'm sure many of you are in the same boat, quarantined or semi-quarantined and 
trying to keep going without the usual levels of face to face support and 
company. We've been talking about how we can all support each other during this 
time, and stick together as a community.

We want to do our bit. To this end, we are planning to setup a monthly zoom 
room for everyone on the list to access. You can speak to each other, find out 
how everyone is doing, share your projects, tell your story. We will join these 
rooms when we can. This will very much be an extension of the use-list, with 
the same ground rules - we're here to talk about using LiveCode, and help each 
other out with that. Obviously there will be some water cooler type chit chat 
but please... no politics, religion or cheese! Let's keep it positive. It will 
be community run, we will participate as and when we can but primarily this is 
for you all to talk to each other. We'll work out the mechanics of it as we go 
along, but it looks like zoom has the facility to split off smaller groups so 
it does not become too unmanageable and everyone has a chance to participate.

On top of this we want to do more - we want to use what we have to help. We are 
fully aware that people across the world are having to stay home, some are 
fortunate enough to be able to keep their jobs or businesses and some have not 
been so fortunate. We want to give people the opportunity to learn a new skill. 
Taking a leaf from Andre's book (thanks Andre, and pun intended...), while this 
crisis is ongoing we are going to make the first year of LiveCode Indy 
available to brand new users from free to full price. This will be on a sliding 
scale - people can pay whatever they want or can afford. No judgement. We hope 
you can help us spread the word, if you know anyone who is in a tough 
situation, or just someone who has always wanted to code - please pass this on 
to them. We also ask you (although we know you will) to welcome new people to 
the community with open arms and help them through this new journey. We would 
love to hear any ideas you have on how we as a community can help more people 
through coding. We are putting the campaign together now, we expect to be ready 
to launch it in a few days time.

All we ask at this time is that existing customers do not cancel their 
subscriptions to then go ahead and purchase a new license on the sliding scale. 
It's worth noting that although the first year will be at a price determined by 
the user - the second year will be at full price. If any of you are struggling 
at this time and are concerned about your subscription payments please do get 
in touch with me on the usual supp...@livecode.com email and we will try to 
support you in the best way we can.

Thanks for reading this rather long post. Take care, stay home, stay well and 
enjoy this excellent opportunity to really get to grips with LiveCode in your 
solitude!

Warm Regards,

Heather

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Re: Stacks and Custom properties

2020-03-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I am only using a single custom property in my *Devawriter Pro* for 
end-users to set the thing to the
left, right or centre of their screen. This is not something that needs 
to persist between user sessions.


On 10.03.20 16:52, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

The downside to doing this is that you cannot have your properties persist 
between sessions unless you can save the stack containing the properties. A 
mainstack in a standalone cannot be saved, and other stacks may have issues 
saving if they are in a sandboxed or secured location.

If you are using this just for runtime variables, that would work but it begs 
the question, why? Variables are easier to reference in your code.

Bob S



On Mar 10, 2020, at 03:38 , Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Absolutely. I keep most of my variables in stack custom properties.


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Stacks and Custom properties

2020-03-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Can a stack have custom properties?

Richmond.

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Comedy Moment

2020-03-07 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/fets7z/update_on_the_visual_gui_maker_now_its_decent/ 



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Re: Where is LiveCode

2020-02-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I have just had a look at that webpage and wonder why you are asking 
that question.


That page states this:

"That's why we created the GitHub Student Developer Pack with some of 
our partners and friends: to give students free access to the best 
developer tools in one place so they can learn by doing."


So, I, for one would not expect a link to LiveCode to be there.

I would expect links to LiveCode's "partners and friends," which is 
exactly what you find there.


Here's a link to LiveCode: https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

I would recommend version 9.5.1 Community Stable to get started with.

Richmond Mathewson.

On 26.02.20 10:10, Antti Ilola via use-livecode wrote:

https://education.github.com/pack

Antti
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Re: LC 9.6.0 DP2

2020-02-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I'm not disappointed in the slightest. 8-)

But the fact that it just popped up now was odd.

Richmond.

On 19.02.20 15:08, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

I am sorry to disappoint you, but that update was released in 2012

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1585?viewlocale=en_US=de_DE

I have no idea why Macupdate blogs about it now.


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Am 19.02.2020 um 13:56 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

Here's a "little something" for all the "We have to endlessly update at all 
costs" crowd:

https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/62001/os-x-lion-server-update

Who realised that Apple are STILL supporting MacOS 10.7.5 in some way?

Richmond.

On 19.02.20 9:12, Richmond wrote:

I would not expect a software company to maintain any sort of backwards 
compatibility unless they could
see any _significant financial advantage_ in that.

About a year ago someone waved $100 at me for a version of my Devawriter Pro 
that would run on Mac OS 10.6 32-bit,
and as it took me all of 15 minutes, I was able to run them off a standalone 
using LiveCode 8.1.8.

Without the incentive of $100 it would have depended on which side of bed I had 
got out of that morning. ;-)

Richmond.

On 19.02.20 1:01, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I suppose one could also make the counter argument that software companies do 
not have oodles of money laying around to maintain endless backwards 
compatibility with older operating systems. Something has to give.

Bob S



On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:40 , Richmond via 
use-livecode  wrote:

There are an awful lot of people around and about (especially outwith North 
America)
who are deploying supposedly out-dated operating systems to good effect; and 
they also need software.


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Re: LC 9.6.0 DP2

2020-02-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Here's a "little something" for all the "We have to endlessly update at 
all costs" crowd:


https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/62001/os-x-lion-server-update

Who realised that Apple are STILL supporting MacOS 10.7.5 in some way?

Richmond.

On 19.02.20 9:12, Richmond wrote:
I would not expect a software company to maintain any sort of 
backwards compatibility unless they could

see any _significant financial advantage_ in that.

About a year ago someone waved $100 at me for a version of my 
Devawriter Pro that would run on Mac OS 10.6 32-bit,
and as it took me all of 15 minutes, I was able to run them off a 
standalone using LiveCode 8.1.8.


Without the incentive of $100 it would have depended on which side of 
bed I had got out of that morning. ;-)


Richmond.

On 19.02.20 1:01, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I suppose one could also make the counter argument that software companies do 
not have oodles of money laying around to maintain endless backwards 
compatibility with older operating systems. Something has to give.

Bob S



On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:40 , Richmond via 
use-livecode  wrote:

There are an awful lot of people around and about (especially outwith North 
America)
who are deploying supposedly out-dated operating systems to good effect; and 
they also need software.


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Re: LC 9.6.0 DP2

2020-02-18 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I would not expect a software company to maintain any sort of backwards 
compatibility unless they could

see any _significant financial advantage_ in that.

About a year ago someone waved $100 at me for a version of my Devawriter 
Pro that would run on Mac OS 10.6 32-bit,
and as it took me all of 15 minutes, I was able to run them off a 
standalone using LiveCode 8.1.8.


Without the incentive of $100 it would have depended on which side of 
bed I had got out of that morning. ;-)


Richmond.

On 19.02.20 1:01, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I suppose one could also make the counter argument that software companies do 
not have oodles of money laying around to maintain endless backwards 
compatibility with older operating systems. Something has to give.

Bob S



On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:40 , Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

There are an awful lot of people around and about (especially outwith North 
America)
who are deploying supposedly out-dated operating systems to good effect; and 
they also need software.



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