Re: M1 Macs and LC 9.6.8 RCs and 10.0.0 RCs

2022-06-20 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
In the standalone builder you have always separated Linux 32-bit and 
64-bit builds, and the same with Windows: could you
alter the MacOS standalones so we end up with one INTEL 64-bit 
standalone, and one ARM standalone, rather than a awkward sandwich?


Best, Richmond.

On 20.06.22 17:50, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2022-06-18 21:27, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

So, the question now is, is this a macOS problem or is it possible
that a standalone could show the wrong setting due to a wrong
configuration or so when it is created.


It is a macOS (Finder) bug - I think it was the same when they added 
32-bit vs 64-bit, and probably Intel vs PowerPC.


There's a plist entry 'LSArchitecturePriority' which is the order in 
which the different slices should be used - currently we have x86-64 
then arm64 and it seems the Finder doesn't use this to determine 
whether to show the Rosetta box as checked or not when the user hasn't 
explicitly prodded it in the past (which obviously they won't have 
done for new apps / those which didn't have the option before!).


Warmest Regards,

Mark.




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Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-4

2022-06-01 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Certainly not round these parts: the IDE "we know and love" is still in 
place.


Best, Richmond.

On 1.06.22 17:35, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

I think you are probably referring to the special prototype dp-4 with the single window 
IDE in testing. This is not as yet "in the wild". This has only so far been 
made available to the attendees for LCG 22/23 Feature Focus sessions.

In case anyone is confused.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:20, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Since this is now in the wild, and has a very different layout, y'all
should probably have a look at it and comment on it, before it gets too far
down the road. LC has stated that this is the future.

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:31 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-4.

You can find more details on the new features and the bug fixes of this new
release here:

https://livecode.com/m1-native-latest-livecode-releases/

You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
automatic updater.

Enjoy!

Kind regards
The LiveCode Team

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Re: Movie text tracks

2022-05-17 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Here's a thought:

Dig out an old mac that runs, say, MacOS 10.6 or 10.7 and then follow this:

https://synchrimedia.blogspot.com/2016/02/extracting-qt-text-tracks-from-movies.html

Best, Richmond.

On 17.05.22 20:28, Devin Asay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

I’m resurrecting some QuickTime movies from years ago, and some of them have 
text tracks. (Remember those?)

In the LC player object you can still see that there is a text track with `put 
the tracks of player 1`. But there doesn’t seem to be a way anymore to show 
text tracks, either in the player object or in QT Player. All of the hits I get 
on the topic in a DuckDuckGo search are 15 - 20 years old.

Anybody know how to show, or at least recover, old text tracks from video files?

(Man I hate it when the technology gets *less* capable!)

- Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University

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Re: Divide Large Data Blob?

2022-05-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Great Behinds Stink Alike.  :)

On 16.05.22 21:19, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:

Hi.

Can you get the number of lines of the whole blob, if lines are pertinent, 
divide that number by 3, and search from there? Another words, if you had 1000 
lines, divide by 3 and search from line 333 to 666.

Craig


On May 16, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I have a large chunk of data that I want to
search as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately the part I want to search is the
middle third of the data.  The other thirds at
the beginning and at the end are just junk and
slow down my search so I want to get rid of them.

I don’t want to search line by line as that
takes way too long.

There’s no unique character dividing any
of these data regions.

What’s the best way to do this?

Thanks in advance!

Rick



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Re: Divide Large Data Blob?

2022-05-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well one of the things you could do is this:

slightly pseudo

1 put the number of chars in MyDATA into MyNUM
2 put MyNUM / 3 into SLICER
3 put chars 1-SLICER of MyDATA into firstTHIRD
4 put chars SLICER-(SLICER * 2) into secondTHIRD
5 put chars (SLICER * 2)-(SLICER*3) into thirdTHIRD

at which point you can perform you search inwith secondTHIRD.

Unless you want to recombine all those bits having performed some sort 
of operation on secondThird

lines 3 and 5 are a waste of time.

Best, Richmond.

Best Richmond.

On 16.05.22 20:46, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I have a large chunk of data that I want to
search as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately the part I want to search is the
middle third of the data.  The other thirds at
the beginning and at the end are just junk and
slow down my search so I want to get rid of them.

I don’t want to search line by line as that
takes way too long.

There’s no unique character dividing any
of these data regions.

What’s the best way to do this?

Thanks in advance!

Rick



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Re: Anybody tried to import data to Quicken for Mac?

2022-05-06 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Awkward:

Whackypedia says:

"Different (and incompatible) versions of Quicken run on Windows and 
Macintosh systems."


and

"the absence of a common cross-platform file format"

so getting data "into Quicken" could mean several things.

"newer versions of Quicken for Mac use an SQLite database"

So, my first question is going to be, 'which version of Quicken are you 
talking about?'


and my second one is going to be, 'Windows or Mac?'

and my third one is, 'Doesn't the person with this problem still have 
access to the version

of quicken they previously used?'

On 6.05.22 23:48, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Is QIF a text based format, or is it encrypted? If the latter (and it probably 
is), it is doubtful that there is a way to do this without software (of which 
there are some options if you google it).

Bob S



On May 6, 2022, at 13:40 , William Prothero via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Folks:
I have a nasty accounting problem and need to somehow get data into Quicken (or 
perhaps find another management program). My question is whether it’s possible 
(or known) how to take csv data (easy) and convert to acceptable QIF form, 
which quicken requires.

Best,
Bill Prothero

William Prothero
waproth...@gmail.com




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Re: OSS installer for Linux?

2022-04-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

https://archive.org/download/live-code-community-linux-x64/LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-9_6_3-Linux.x64

On 8.04.22 17:58, Devin Asay via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone still have the Community installer for LiveCode 9.6.3 Linux? I have 
a colleague I’m trying to show LC to, but he’s reluctant to d/l the trial 
version.

- Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University

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Re: Widget properties

2022-04-07 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Here's my 25p's worth:

Ever since widgets 'appeared' I have thought of them as second class 
citizens insofar as:


1. They are 'bits of stuff' where experts (the LiveCode team and so on) 
have done the heavy lifting
for those of us who haven't got the skill, motivation or time to work 
out how to get that sort of thing together

in LiveCode itself.

2. I certainly never get into widgets when I teach computer programming 
for a number of reasons:


2.1. While I teach children to program with LiveCode, the ultimate aim 
is to equip them with a series
of transferrable skills they can take 'to the table' of any programming 
language: the ability to drop in
a prepackaged 'does-it-for-you' add-on (one of the things that sets my 
teeth on edge about Python)

does not, as far as I am concerned, constitute computer programming as such.

Of course people might start shouting at me, at this point, and say, 
"Well then, why don't you go back to command-line
programming?", to which my riposte is, "That's why I START my 
programming with teenagers (it's a bit too much for
preteens) with BASIC programming on my BBC Micro machines I have 
lovingly curated in my school."


After a day or two with BBC BASIC on a black screen teenagers will "do 
anything for me" when they see the, supposedly,

old-fashioned LiveCode IDE and the ever-so-sexy WYSIWYG GUI.

2.2. While a LiveCode button can be examined via its property inspector, 
a widget largely cannot,

so a learner cannot really begin to understand how it is put together.

3. Widgets are, undoubtedly very clever insofar as they provide tools 
and services out of the box, and types
like myself don't have to spend an awful lot of effort working out how 
to roll our own.


4. I suppose the 'price' of a widget is just exactly that one cannot 
really get t its underpinnings (properties)

in quite the way one can withg a native LiveCode object.

Having said all this, I don't use widgets (beyond fooling around with 
them when I have a spare moment),
and on my teaching computers the widgets section of the revTools palette 
is never exposed.


Were widgets to be "integrated" into LiveCode as per buttons, fields, 
images and so forth, with properties
palettes allowing a vast number of variables to be accessible, my 
attitude towards them might change; but that
seems unlikely to happen as they are quite different beasts to buttons, 
fields, images and so on.


Best, Richmond.

On 7.04.22 9:24, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Thank you for your reply, Monte. Comments inline:

Monte Goulding wrote:
>> On 7 Apr 2022, at 11:25 am, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Can you help me understand how it's better than "the properties",
>> and why this superior method isn't used for engine controls?
>
> Because the array created by export and used by import contains
> the state of the widget as is saved when saving the stack. The
> content may or may not be the same as the property names exposed
> to user scripts but a widget created with that state should be
> the same as if it were saved in the stack and the stack re-opened.

I've never used a widget in production yet, so I can't say I have an 
opinion there.  If the uses for widgets are viewed as sufficiently 
different from engine-based controls that "the properties" so many of 
us enjoy wouldn't apply, I'm okay with that. Just looking to understand.



>> That the company has such a narrowly specific view of the
>> applicability of "the properties" is indeed helpful. Thank
>> you for chiming in.
>
> I’m not the company.

Pardon my imprecision. I think the readers here are likely aware that 
the company is comprised of many people, and there are likely many 
different opinions on a wide range of topics, including this.  Please 
read that as "a significant member of the company".



> Mark may spend a lot more time pondering the utility of `the
> properties` than I do and indeed may have a different opinion.
> Indeed my opinion was much closer to yours is now when I sent
> in a PR for LC 6.1 all those years ago ;-)

One of the challenges with a tool as vastly capable as LiveCode is 
wrapping one's head around all the use-cases, and all the perceived 
priorities.  Various members of the company and the community have 
expressed a wide range of opinions on many things.


If "the properties" winds up being like the pointer tool requests I 
used to ask about, no worries. I stopped asking about those years ago.


Indeed, even with "the properties" I've had a few discussions on this 
with different team members going back to Dr Brett, back when LCB was 
in its earliest stages.


In my own mind having two different methods for obtaining property 
data for two classes of objects is akin to having two different words 
for "rect" or other basic features.  Where a useful implementation has 
been chosen and established so long ago, it seems worth mirroring in 
new implementations.


But TBH, since I haven't used widgets in production at all, the only 

Re: Counting Syllables

2022-03-20 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Frankly I'd go for isolated vowels (I, A), Vowel+ Consonant (In, On, 
An), and Consonant+ Vowel (La, Lo, Fi), you
also have a problem with the semi-vowel Y, and the semi-vowel U ( 'yu' 
as un Union, and 'u' as in Utter).


This is pretty impressive: https://syllablecounter.net/count

I gave it 'Beautiful aesthetic foetuses' and it came up, correctly, with 
9 syllables . . . the Q is what's the code:

probably time to download the webpage and poke around a bit.

On 20.03.22 21:12, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

This post goes over some techniques:

https://mholtzscher.github.io/2018/05/29/syllables/ 
<https://mholtzscher.github.io/2018/05/29/syllables/>




On Mar 20, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi Richmond,

Yes, English. Sorry I forgot to be specific, I thought it was implied.

Yes, I have been counting vowels, but there appear to be a lot of exceptions,
so there must be a lot more rules.

I need to know what all the rules are to make it work if possible.

There are websites out there on the internet that will count
syllables in whatever text given to them so it must be possible.
How are they doing it?  Is it an algorithm ,or are they comparing
the words to a database table that has all the dictionary information?

Thanks,

Rick



On Mar 20, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Well, syllables are language dependent, so let's suppose for the moment that
you are ONLY working with English, the, presumably, you can set up vowels
as item-delimiters: although you might get a bit mixed up with words sucj
as 'beautiful' which, while having 5 vowels only has 3 syllables.

Basically you have to work out how to detect V+C and open vowels at the
end of words.

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Re: Counting Syllables

2022-03-20 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Well, syllables are language dependent, so let's suppose for the moment that
you are ONLY working with English, the, presumably, you can set up vowels
as item-delimiters: although you might get a bit mixed up with words sucj
as 'beautiful' which, while having 5 vowels only has 3 syllables.

Basically you have to work out how to detect V+C and open vowels at the
end of words.

On 20.03.22 19:41, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I’m working on a project that requires an LC program to count
the number of syllables in a paragraph.

I don’t want to have to re-invent the wheel here if there
is an existing solution to the problem.

If not, what are all the rules I need to check?

Suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick
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Re: Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

2022-03-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

What do you mean when you write "I'm still supporting LC 6.7"?

On 10.03.22 20:25, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


To plan addon development for the next few years,
I would like to know if some people still need LC 6.7.

If you're a Lurker, that's OK! If shy: offlist is fine.
(Regulars welcome too, of course.)

Currently I'm still supporting LC 6.7 too, but as LC 9
matures on bugs/stability and performance, hopefully
there will come a time when I can make this decision.

Supporting LC 6.7 and 9/10 is fine, in fact it's fun,
but moving past 6.7 eventually would have some perks.
So the question is how long people will still need it.

Your input will help guide my plan! Thanks.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: What version of Ubuntu does LiveCode (9.6.6) support?

2022-03-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Here's a few observations:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20=36784

Best, Richmond.

On 10.03.22 17:29, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:


Just read the release notes (for 9.6.6, but also for 10.0.0.dp2) which 
say


LiveCode supports the following Linux distributions, on 32-bit or 
64-bit Intel/AMD or compatible processors:

Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04
Fedora 23 & 24
Debian 7 (Wheezy) and 8 (Jessie) [server] CentOS 7 [server]


Is that correct - i.e. Ubuntu 18 is NOT supported? Might this be my 
problem with "libexpat.so.1"?


(I question it only because the 9.6.6 version of the User Guide says

The minimal requirements for LiveCode to run on Linux are:
 32-bit installation, or a 64-bit linux distribution that has a 
32-bit compatibility layer

 2.4.x or later kernel

which is clearly out of date.)

Is anyone running LiveCode, or at least standalones built from 
LiveCode, on Ubuntu 18? Or is that my problem?


TIA,

Ben

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Re: Install LC on Chromebook

2022-02-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

'Normally' . . .

On Xubuntu I download the appropriate Linux installer for the machine 
(my school sports a motley mixture of 32 and 64 bit machines),
and then select 'properties' with a right-click: that allows me to set 
the executable bit WITHOUT getting all hot and sweaty using the terminal.


After that, it's just the same as on other desktop platforms: mind you, 
select "me only" as the other 2 seem to play "silly buggers."


Best, Richmond.

On 17.02.22 8:51, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 2/16/22 21:40, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Has anyone installed LC on a Chromebook? I've got the Linux partition 
set up and I've found instructions on how to download Linux apps via 
terminal but nothing about doing it with installers. I downloaded and 
tried both the 64 and 32 bit installers but Chrome OS tells me "this 
type of file is not supported" for both.


From what I've read I need a .deb file but this is my first dance on 
Linux. 

I don't know what I'm doing.



I haven't, but...
I'll assume this is an intel chromebook, not an arm processor.

LC doesn't have a "normal" linux installer, i.e., .rpm or .deb file.
You have to download the installer then change the permission bits to 
allow it to be executable.
If you can change the permissions via the chromebook ui then do it 
that way. Otherwise from the commandline you could just say

chmod +x LiveCodeInstaller-9_6_6-Linux.x64

After that you can launch the installer. I assume (silly me) that you 
can double-click an application on a chromebook to launch it, but if 
not you can launch it via the commandline:


./LiveCodeInstaller-9_6_6-Linux.x64

Now you have the choice of installing for just you or for everyone. 
You'll make life a lot easier on yourself if you select "just you".


...don't get me started on the (lack of an) uninstaller.




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Re: Sharing a desktop app, or with beta testers

2022-01-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
The security issue is because the user probably just did a double-click 
on the thing.

a right-click will allow them to run the app.

On 26.01.22 21:29, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
Sorry for this question which probably has been answered many times, but …. I’m 
trying not to waste my day searching around.

What’s the best way to send a desktop app on Apple OS 12.1 to a friend or beta 
tester? I sent an app and a security issue came up.

Thanks,
Bill P

William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
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Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

2022-01-23 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I have a good dozen CD-ROMs which my boys got a lot of mileage out of 
when we stayed in the UAE.


The first thing to do is to extract all the media - and this can be a 
right-pain-in-the-bum as quite a lot of
these CDs were authored using MacroMedia products where the media are 
embedded in a way which seems

to make them inaccessible.

After that . . .

Run up LiveCode stacks that mimic the FUNCTIONALITY of the original CDs 
(this is surprisingly easy).


I have a horde of Dorling-Kindersley CDs that contain stuff that really 
rocks (well, up to the point
that media authored for a Mac Performa 5700 is of a far, far lower 
quality and size than what is

the norm nowadays).

I wrote to them twice and they never bothered to reply

they did not "essentially" ignore me: they IGNORED me. This is nonsense 
as, presumably, there is no obvious way
they can make the odd bob out of ancient CD-ROMS; and if they had a bit 
of nous they might realise that they could

climb into bed with you to mutual advantage . . .

so I would merrily chant my favourite mantra:

"abandonware, abandonware"  and make sure that anything I did with media 
ripped off from those


CDs was splattered with disclaimers and released on a not-for-profit basis.

Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating 
irons.  :)


Even if he doesn't, his knowledge of what-you-can and what-you-cannot 
get away with is

both invaluable and far, far more extensive than mine it.

On 23.01.22 14:57, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

I know I’m old enough to be the father of the average LiveCoder, and maybe the 
grandfather of quite a few, so I clearly remember CD-ROMs. I had a favourite 
cross-platform one which contains some very attractive material, and I have 
often thought of reviving the contents using either an LC standalone, or (as is 
presumably now possible), an LC-generated web app. Sadly I have never been able 
to have a sensible conversation with the copyright owner (they’ve essentially 
ignored me), so this would begin as a private project. I’m still wondering what 
the best technical approach should be. The material includes videos (not 
interactive) and synchronised text and audio files. After thinking about it for 
years, I still think it would be fun to do.

Has anyone any ideas about how to approach this conversion (or re-purposing, or 
whatever term you want to use)?

Graham


On 21 Jan 2022, at 19:56, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
 wrote:

A quarter of a century ago, we called this Interactive Multimedia.
It was usually delivered on a CD-ROM.   Ask your parents! ;)

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Re: Someone has a copy of the last version of LiveCode to support PowerPC MacOS Classic machines?

2022-01-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Old and mouldy: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qslejp8mq5tuges/revolution.sit?dl=0


On 15.01.22 20:15, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

Hey Folks,

I’m in the mood to build some hobby toys for old classic macs, just to amuse 
myself.

Anyone here has a copy of the last version of Runtime Revolution to support 
PowerPC based Macs running classic Mac OS?

I used to have a license for them, but I have no idea how to get that license, 
or how to get that software.

Best
Andre
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Re: Someone has a copy of the last version of LiveCode to support PowerPC MacOS Classic machines?

2022-01-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
The best bet is to go to the Wayback machine and look at RunRev websites 
there, and I di know that RunRev2 can be downloaded.


Best, Richmond.

On 15.01.22 20:15, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

Hey Folks,

I’m in the mood to build some hobby toys for old classic macs, just to amuse 
myself.

Anyone here has a copy of the last version of Runtime Revolution to support 
PowerPC based Macs running classic Mac OS?

I used to have a license for them, but I have no idea how to get that license, 
or how to get that software.

Best
Andre
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Re: scripted Show tooltip not a thing?

2022-01-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36647=211966#p211966

On 14.01.22 13:10, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks all.

I scripted as if the delay was the duration the tooltip is displayed.  Duh!  Of 
course the delay is hover delay before the tooltip shows!  I knew that, and yet 
somehow didn’t know it at the same time.

Cheers

David G


On 11 Jan 2022, at 2:48 pm, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
 wrote:

You can do this. In a button script;

on mouseenter

set the tooltip of me to random(999)

end mouseenter


Now every time you move the cursor into that button, you get a new integer when 
you hover.

Craig


On Jan 11, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi David,


Am 11.01.2022 um 15:29 schrieb David Glasgow via use-livecode 
:

Hi folks

I have an app in which tooltips are generally off.  I also have a button menu 
which allows the selection of equality/inequelity.  Users are non technical, 
and on selection (i.e. not the usual hover) I wanted to pop up a brief tooltip 
describing the selected item in ordinary language (irrespective of whether 
tooltips are globally on or off):

on menuPick pChosenItem
set the label of me to pChosenitem
switch
case pChosenItem = "="
   set the tooltip of me to "Equals"
   break
case pChosenItem = "≤"
   set the tooltip of me to  “Is at least"
   break
case pChosenItem = "≅"
   set the tooltip of me to “Is approximately"
   break
end switch
set the tooltipdelay to 500
show the tooltip of me
set the tooltip delay to 0
end menuPick

It seems  show the tooltip of me isn’t a thing.  I appreciate that I could show 
and hide an ordinary field, but I wondered if I have overlooked a suitable 
message and/or syntax that will enable what I want.


Best Wishes,

David Glasgow

well, we cannot explicitely show a tooltip by script.
So "show the tooltup of me" will not work if it doesn't throw an error.

Problem in your script:
...
set the tooltipdelay to 500
## from this point the tooltip will appear in 500 millisecs
## show the tooltip of me

## but this will disable the tooltip again much EARLIER than the 500 millisecs!
## LC is too fast for this :-)
set the tooltip delay to 0
...


Best

Klaus



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Search & Replace

2022-01-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I am trying to locate the Search & Replace dialog inwith the LC IDE
but seem unable to . . .

Best, Richmond.

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Re: How to extract whole text from a PDF file with the PDF

2021-12-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

The consequences are endless.

On 12.12.21 21:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Stam Kapetanakis wrote:

> i presume the pdf widget in pro is the opensource xpdfReader but
> don’t know for sure.

If it is that would be problematic, as the open source edition of 
xpdfReader is licensed under GPL, and LC no longer has an edition 
compatible with GPL.





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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

It's a new one to me as well.

Richmond.

On 10.11.21 16:28, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

"focusedObject" - wow, who knew ?  :-)

So it's been helpful for me.
(Some day I really will read the dictionary thoroughly).

Alex.

On 10/11/2021 03:38, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Alex and Richmond,

This discussion has been very helpful. Thank you! Please see my 
latest post on the forums where I offer my Formulator stack that 
seems to work, partly I think because I don’t lock the text of the 
multiple fields in my stack. Who woulda thunk?


https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444 
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444>


Cheers,

Roger


On Nov 7, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
 wrote:



On 07/11/2021 11:36, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

No hard feelings.

See what I have got up to over on the Forums, and

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444

PLEASE, feel free to pull the thing to bits.

I don't want to "pull the thing to bits". Like you, I enjoy seeing 
"competing" multitude of ways to do things - I can learn from them all.


But I did have a quick look, so I'll just point out a small number 
of nitpicks.


1. the whole 'locktext' thing is weird, and causes various anomalies.
When I first open the stack, and click in the field, I can type 
digits and have them appear in the field, as you'd expect. But once 
I've clicked on an 'arrow-emulator' the field becomes locked and one 
can no longer type in characters. Clicking *outside* the field will 
then free it up again, so typing becomes possible.


2. disappearing iBeam.

If I position the ibeam in the middle of the text in the field, and 
use one of the arrow emulator buttons, the iBeam moves properly - 
but then disappears (perhaps when the 'locktext' is set true).


3. incorrect entry position.

As in 2 above, although the ibeam was last seen in the correct place 
after using the ">" button to move it to the right, if I then click 
on a digit button, that digit appears at the end of the field, not 
where it should have gone


4. Incorrect arrow key emulation (same problem as I mentioned in the 
previous email).


If you select a chunk of text in the field, then use the left-arrow 
emulator button, the ibeam is positioned before the *last* character 
of the selection, instead of before the first.



There were a couple of others, omitted for brevity. I've created a 
modified version your stack with my suggested handlers, and will 
attempt to upload it to the forum later.


Then there was another issue which I haven't tackled - it would mean 
changing lots of very similar tiny scripts, and is too tedious.


5. character input should replace any selection

Just like in a regular field, if there is an active selection, 
typing a character (or clicking a digit button, should *replace* it, 
not simply add the newly typed (or clicked) digit.



I've taken my earlier handler suggestion, and broken the bits of 
code out into individual button scripts, which removes the apparent 
complexity that you disliked earlier. As far as I know, no problems 
have yet been found with that approach. As one example, the code for 
left-arrow emulator would be



  on mouseUp
    focus on field "fWORK"
    put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tFirst
    put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tLast
    select before char (min(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fWORK"
end mouseUp

I've uploaded this revised version on the forum thread.

Best wishes,  Alex



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Clicking around . . .

2021-11-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well . . . this is a sort of side-effect at my fooling around with 
calculators:


If I have a field on a card that has the lockText set to true and
I click outwith the stack that lockText is set to false . . .

I feel this should NOT happen:

Probably because if I click outside a LibreOffice document, a GIMP 
document or a TextEdit document


(the 3 apps I use most often apart from LiveCode)

that click does NOT affect those documents at all.

Richmond.

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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-07 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

No hard feelings.

See what I have got up to over on the Forums, and

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444

PLEASE, feel free to pull the thing to bits.

Love, Richmond.

On 7.11.21 13:20, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 07/11/2021 09:01, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
I did not mean "competing" in the sense of "b*gger you", I meant it 
in the

sense of healthy competition.


Yeah, so did I.

And if it came across any other way, then I wholeheartedly apologise.

Sorry Richmond.

Alex.


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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-07 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I did not mean "competing" in the sense of "b*gger you", I meant it in the
sense of healthy competition.

"But having said that:  your "left-arrow' emulation gets it wrong if 
there is a chunk selection active."


Quite possible as I spent about 15 minutes on that yesterday between 
raking up dead leaves,
drilling through the metal head of a broken rake to screw it onto a 
wooden handle, and a whole
slew of other things such as talking to my son in Lilongwe re setting up 
discarded PCs out
there (Malawi) with Xubuntu and a programming suite that has recently 
been effectively abandoned.


I have a sackload of kids writing that has just arrived via Viber that 
has to be addressed:
after which I'll have a look at my "half cock job" and see if I can 
tweak it.


Richmond.

On 7.11.21 2:44, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 06/11/2021 19:04, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

My competing version is now "up":

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444=210241#p210241

Richmond.


Don't you mean "my cooperating version ..."; surely the use-list is 
about helpful cooperatin and collaborative suggestions, not about 
competing :-)



But having said that:  your "left-arrow' emulation gets it wrong if 
there is a chunk selection active.


left-arrow should position the iBeam to the left of the selection, 
while this code positions it to the left of the rightmost character of 
the selection.


Alex.



On 5.11.21 23:08, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 05/11/2021 20:18, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
Alex, I did not see that and it is not in my mailbox. Would you 
please send it again?


Thanks,
Roger


Here it is again, below.

Or download the sample stack at 
https://tweedly.org/downloads/calcbuttons.livecode


 - not as pretty as Richmond's, doesn't even have all the digits ...)

Previously I said:

Here's an expanded snippet. The input is in a field called "fInput", 
the buttons are all in a group, and handled by the group script 
(saves having many tiny almost identical scripts).


The script  uses the name of the target - but since I would never, 
ever have a control named as a number, the digit buttons use their 
label instead.


If the user cannot select a chunk of text then some of this could be 
shortened.




on mouseup
   if the target = me then
  -- click in the background in the group
  exit mouseup
   end if
   local tChunk
   focus on fld "fInput"
   put the selectedchunk into tChunk
   if the label of the target is a number then
  put the label of the target into the selectedchunk
  exit mouseUp
   end if
   local tFirst, tLast
   put word 2 of tChunk into tFirst
   put word 4 of tChunk into tLast
   switch the short name of the target
  case "go left"
 select before char (min(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case  "go right"
 select after char (max(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case "Del"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *after* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
  case "BS"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *before* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst-1) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
 -- all the other keys !!
  default
   end switch
end mouseup


Alex.

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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-06 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

My competing version is now "up":

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444=210241#p210241

Richmond.

On 5.11.21 23:08, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 05/11/2021 20:18, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
Alex, I did not see that and it is not in my mailbox. Would you 
please send it again?


Thanks,
Roger


Here it is again, below.

Or download the sample stack at 
https://tweedly.org/downloads/calcbuttons.livecode


 - not as pretty as Richmond's, doesn't even have all the digits ...)

Previously I said:

Here's an expanded snippet. The input is in a field called "fInput", 
the buttons are all in a group, and handled by the group script (saves 
having many tiny almost identical scripts).


The script  uses the name of the target - but since I would never, 
ever have a control named as a number, the digit buttons use their 
label instead.


If the user cannot select a chunk of text then some of this could be 
shortened.




on mouseup
   if the target = me then
  -- click in the background in the group
  exit mouseup
   end if
   local tChunk
   focus on fld "fInput"
   put the selectedchunk into tChunk
   if the label of the target is a number then
  put the label of the target into the selectedchunk
  exit mouseUp
   end if
   local tFirst, tLast
   put word 2 of tChunk into tFirst
   put word 4 of tChunk into tLast
   switch the short name of the target
  case "go left"
 select before char (min(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case  "go right"
 select after char (max(tFirst, tLast)) of fld "fInput"
 break
  case "Del"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *after* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
  case "BS"
 -- remove the selection, or the char *before* the ibeam
 if tFirst <= tLast then
    put empty into char tFirst to tLast of fld "fInput"
 else
    put empty into char (tFirst-1) of fld "fInput"
 end if
 break
 -- all the other keys !!
  default
   end switch
end mouseup


Alex.

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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-05 Thread Richmond via use-livecode



On 5.11.21 20:37, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Very good, Richmond. It’s impressive how quickly you piss around! And, it’s 
close but no cigar . The arrow keys on the keyboard move the ibeam in a field 
w/o highlighting any text. And, the Delete key deletes the char in front of the 
iBeam.


Then, surely you want to implement the FORWARD delete key: 65535

I thought this would be easy to duplicate in LC, but maybe not??.

Why do I want to emulate these keys? Well at this point, It has become a 
challenge and I like challenges. BTW, the calculator that I am inspired to 
replicate is found in Mac Good Grapher which is bundled with the Mac. The Good 
Grapher Calculator has back and forward buttons and a Delete button that 
operate exactly as the keyboard ones

Thanks for playing with this,

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Pissed around a bit:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444

Love, Richmond.

On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-05 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Pissed around a bit:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36444

Love, Richmond.

On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-05 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Why do you need to emulate them?

Will you NOT have access to a physical keyboard?

Here's the script of a stupid button to DELETE one number in
a calculator read-out:



Richmond.



On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

2021-11-05 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I am sorry for that misunderstanding: I had a fairly fixed idea of what
constituted a calculator in my head, and what you seem to want with your 
back, forward and delete keys seems more

"word-processory".

Richmond.

On 5.11.21 15:59, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I want them to do exactly the same thing that the keyboard keys do!! IOW, I 
want to emulate the delete key and the back and forward keys.

Roger


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
script for these buttons?

Roger


On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm not sure I properly understand your question.

here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,

typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
selection, just like the arrow key does).

on keydown p
   local t
   switch p
  case  "f"
 put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
 select after char (t+1) of me
 break
  case "b"
 put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
 select before char (t-1) of me
 break
   end  switch
end keydown

To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like

   put empty into char (t+1) of me

Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you

a starting place  :-),

Alex.

On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field

left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
sample scripts?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: Lemniscate Polygon

2021-11-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36429

Richmond.

On 3.11.21 9:29, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Roger,

On 2021-11-02 22:27, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List,

Bernd has produced an absolutely beautiful animation using a
Lemniskate polygon that was previously provided by Hermann Hoch. Can
anyone provide some help on how to create this polygon mathematically?
Since the equation for a Lemniskate involves the SqRt of negative
numbers, which is not allowed in LC, I am stumped.

You can find Bernd’s animation here:
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=36412



In general lemniscates are defined as the roots of a specific kind of 
quartic (power four) polynomials of the pattern:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - cx^2 - dy^2 = 0

So the algorithms for solving them you are probably finding are more 
general 'quartic polynomial' solvers - just like solving quadratic 
equations, the full set of solutions can only be computed if you flip 
into the complex plane (i.e. where sqrt(-1) exists) rather than the 
real plane.


However, there is at least one type of Lemniscate for which there is a 
nice parametric form - Bernoulli's lemniscate, which is a slightly 
simpler equation:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - 2a^2(x^2 - y^2) = 0

According to https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Lemniscate.html, this can 
be parameterized as:


    x = (a * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

    y = (a * sin(t) * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

Its not clear what the range of t is from the article, but I suspect 
it will be -pi <= t <= pi (or any 2*pi length range).


So a simple repeat loop where N is the number of steps you want to 
take, and A is the 'scale' of the lemniscate should give you the 
points you want:


    repeat with t = -pi to pi step (2*pi / N)
   put A * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into X
   put A * sin(t) * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into Y
   put X, Y & return after POINTS
    end repeat

Warmest Regards,

Mark.




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Re: Lemniscate Polygon

2021-11-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Hmm: didn't like

putA * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) intoX

at all.

Mainly because A had not been defined . . .


OK: all hunky-dory with  put 200 into A

Richmond


On 3.11.21 9:29, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Roger,

On 2021-11-02 22:27, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List,

Bernd has produced an absolutely beautiful animation using a
Lemniskate polygon that was previously provided by Hermann Hoch. Can
anyone provide some help on how to create this polygon mathematically?
Since the equation for a Lemniskate involves the SqRt of negative
numbers, which is not allowed in LC, I am stumped.

You can find Bernd’s animation here:
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=36412



In general lemniscates are defined as the roots of a specific kind of 
quartic (power four) polynomials of the pattern:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - cx^2 - dy^2 = 0

So the algorithms for solving them you are probably finding are more 
general 'quartic polynomial' solvers - just like solving quadratic 
equations, the full set of solutions can only be computed if you flip 
into the complex plane (i.e. where sqrt(-1) exists) rather than the 
real plane.


However, there is at least one type of Lemniscate for which there is a 
nice parametric form - Bernoulli's lemniscate, which is a slightly 
simpler equation:


    (x^2 + y^2)^2 - 2a^2(x^2 - y^2) = 0

According to https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Lemniscate.html, this can 
be parameterized as:


    x = (a * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

    y = (a * sin(t) * cos(t)) / (1 + sin(t)^2)

Its not clear what the range of t is from the article, but I suspect 
it will be -pi <= t <= pi (or any 2*pi length range).


So a simple repeat loop where N is the number of steps you want to 
take, and A is the 'scale' of the lemniscate should give you the 
points you want:


    repeat with t = -pi to pi step (2*pi / N)
   put A * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into X
   put A * sin(t) * cos(t) / (1 + sin(t)^2) into Y
   put X, Y & return after POINTS
    end repeat

Warmest Regards,

Mark.


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Re: OT: Facebook -> Meta (Damaged Infinity!)

2021-11-02 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

META

Making Easy To Abandon

Mainly Eaten Towards the Afternoon

Richmond.

On 2.11.21 20:28, Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode wrote:

I think this needs to be a contest…


MarkW wrote:
 From a Boingboing user comment...

META: Making Evil Totally Acceptable

Jeff

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Forums taking the weekend off

2021-11-01 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

The Forums seem to have "gone west" about 10 minutes ago.

Richmond.

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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

2021-10-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I fell off my chair laughing.

What a lovely post.

Richmond.

On 28.10.21 13:34, KOOB via use-livecode wrote:

Hi

Here is what I do
Rotate your keyboard 90 degrees
Press the 8 key
Rotate yours monitor 90 degrees
Repeat
It took me forever to figure that out.

Martin Koob


Sent from my iPad


On Oct 27, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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I didn't know the keystroke for infinity.

Bob S

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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

2021-10-28 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I very much doubt whether anyone round these parts has ever doubted the 
integrity of the

people who work for LC Ltd.

But that should not blind one in other respects.

There have been consequences of the recent decision to drop support for
an Open Source version of LiveCode: some seemingly positive and some
seemingly negative, and all that will be borne out in good time.

There is also an large difference, as I attempted to point out, between
mud-slinging and a reasonable discussion about what these consequences
might be, how they might affect LC Ltd, the programming "thing" we all
know and love, and us as people who program computers.

My posting was precipitated by someone who did "sling mud" in a way
that would put most people off: and slang mud with no obvious
support or justification. I asked for clarification on several of those
"lumps of mud" (scriptEditor, dictionary, palettes) and go no
explanation back whatsoever: this makes me wonder how, without
any explanations that person expected those "lumps of mud" to stick,
and because of that, the whole exercise just looked like spite on their 
behalf.


"Thank heavens" does not seem as black-and-white as all that to all
people, and, Yes, a bit of self-examination re one's motivations is
quite healthy on occasion, but so it should be for LC Ltd. as well.

I have used LiveCode for something near to 20 years now, and as anyone who
is not daft knows, have had a "very odd" relationship with the people at
LC Ltd. How much of that is that I'm a "bit odd", how much of it is that 
they

are not geared up to cope with "odd" people like me, and so on and so forth
I really don't know. But I can say that they have always been very kind and
remarkably tolerant to some of my "odder oddnesses" all things
considered.

As anyone who is "rocking around" the Forums can see, at the moment, I am
attempting to contribute 'my bit' by showing how readily LiveCode can be
used to fulfill large parts of the English and Scottish computing curricula
( and, by extension, those of other countries), and I do hope, that after
some of the "dust" has settled . . .

Richmond.

On 28.10.21 13:20, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

Thank heavens this policy change has finally come.  Baseless  accusations
can end up affecting perception. Surrounded by negative criticism one can
actually blame LC for defects that exist in oneself.  It has happened to
me, where I've tracked down the defect in my own work just before I was
going to write to the list and complain about a defect in LC. IMO the Forum
is even worse for this behaviour.  I think it's a product of the way Forum
software works.  People can search for something (not necessarily intending
any malice), and in their search uncover some past series of complaints,
and resurrect past complaints which again become the focus of the people
using the Forum.

That's not to say there are no defects. There's no software on the planet
that has no defects. I have had problems where I have been unable to
provide a recipe for a bug report. I simply couldn't detect a reproducible
pattern (and sometimes it appears no-one else has seen a particular
defect). But I understand the absolute necessity for a bug report to have a
reproducible recipe. In these cases I have to patient, committed and cast
my net of investigation further until I can find a reproducible pattern and
it might take weeks or months before a pattern emerges.

The one thing I've never doubted is the integrity of the people who work
for LC Ltd.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 1:00 PM Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Dear List Folks,

This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode.
Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great
place to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take
potshots at each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if
a list member is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable
set of other list members, they will be banned.

For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:

Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity
Persistently pointing out flaws in LiveCode without any positive
suggestions on resolution
Namecalling of any kind
General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and check it
for tone

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do
is express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this
list, which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of
LiveCode's users.

I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated.

Warmest Regards,

Heather


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Re: AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

2021-10-27 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

"Building trust" . . . Yes, well, humph.

On 27.10.21 14:06, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it was only supposed to be known by a
few LC users but someone let the cat out of the bag. ;) Building trust in
the brand :D I went back through all my Survey Monkey requests and checked
out my SM account. No indication of opting out ever.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 11:47, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared
almost as soon
as it was mooted.

Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel
that is the
way we should behave.

Richmond.

On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:

I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got

three other livecode newsletters in October.

Tiemo


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Re: AW: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

2021-10-27 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I have a feeling that the whole thing was a chimaera that disappeared 
almost as soon

as it was mooted.

Certainly, without any indications to the opposite from LC centre I feel 
that is the

way we should behave.

Richmond.

On 27.10.21 12:58, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:

I didn't received any survey email either, nore in spam, though I got three 
other livecode newsletters in October.

Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode  Im Auftrag von Devin 
Asay via use-livecode
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 20:03
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Devin Asay 
Betreff: Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

I didn’t receive it either.

- Devin


On Oct 22, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
 wrote:

@Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. @Jacque 
and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will try and 
ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm am out of 
time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close this survey 
quickly. We want plenty of input.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly
checked any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions?
There is not a chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to
stop sending me random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
Sean

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It
does not tell me when or how.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:



Come on, how should Matthias know?

He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 

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Re: [OT] Multiple macOS recommendation sought

2021-10-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
That involves quite a capital outlay, and as long as you can justify 
that in terms of business and

remuneration, super.

I am not so set up, either business wise or in any other way.

What I DO know is that the "Mac world" post MacOS 9 seems to fracture 
along several lines:


PPC (probably not worth bothering on that any more) . . . 10.5

Intel 32-bit only (probably not worth bothering on that any more) . . . 
10.6.8


Intel Pre-10.9

10.9 - 10.14

Post 10.14

I would tend to concentrate on the last 2 sections: so you really only 
need 2 machines.


On 27.10.21 3:37, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Paul,

Several years ago - 6-8-10 years ago? Not sure when - I left VMs 
behind in favor of minimally-configured actual hardware. I have a 
couple of Windows laptops but almost never use them now. My main 
development world consists of 4 Mac minis of various ages (all Intel 
or M1) and a couple of 2015 MBP laptops (and 2 iPads). Each machine 
has an external drive used by Time Machine, so I can restore my work 
as needed. I use Screen Sharing to manage things on multiple computers 
from a single keyboard/display/mouse and it works great for my 
purposes. I confess, I don't normally reinstall the OSes except for 
upgrades to the next version if needed (e.g. High Sierra to Mojave); I 
just keep them current with Apple updates and have never had a dev 
issue that damaged the OS.


Obviously my setup doesn't cover every macOS version, but my selected 
hardware+OS combos have been very adequate for my needs. And for me, 
it helps to have a LAN whose physical and conceptual topologies are 
the same. It helps clarify problem sources in a client/server system I 
maintain.


Hope this helps -
Phil Davis


On 10/26/21 2:08 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
A problem I have struggled with for decades is software testing on 
the various versions of operating systems our software deploys on.


For testing on Windows, we use Virtualbox with Virtual Machines (VMs) 
for Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 (we have yet to try to 
build a Windows 11 VM)


For macOS we have tried a multi-boot system, a mac Mini with hard 
disks partitions to boot to OSX 10.9, 10.10, 10.11, 10.12, 10.13, and 
10.14 (Mojave). We tried a partition for 10.15 Catalina, but were 
were already experience problems switching between boot partitions 
where the Mini would forget what Startup disk it should boot from. 
When we added Catalina, the problem became worse, trying to go from 
Catalina to an older OS on reboot or vice versa would fail.


So we tried a Mojave (10.14) laptop with Virtualbox and build a 
Catalina VM. This worked well for Catalina testing. We like VMs for 
the ability to reset to a snapshot or to clone them. We added a Big 
Sur VM, but playing video does not work in the VM and Virtualbox's 
latest release has not fixed this and macOS VMs are not really 
supported, even on mac hardware. We just tried a Monterey VM and it 
is unstable. It will crash and reboot after a random amount of time.


Some sort of virtual machine is very appealing because of the ability 
to restore the machine to a snapshot after testing or to clone it. If 
testing messes something up, you can always get back to a known state 
without rebuilding a computer.


What have other people's experiences been? Does anyone have a more 
stable, easier solution?


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Re: Number of items

2021-10-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Not as obvious as it seems as with MacOS you can reset many function 
keys, for

some odd reason you cannot assign another key to do the "fN" thing.

On 26.10.21 17:10, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond wrote:


Not unless you have a fN key to start with.


Obvs :D
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Re: Number of items

2021-10-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Not unless you have a fN key to start with.

On 26.10.21 15:59, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote:

Apparently, you can get to it with fn-E as well.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 13:57, Sean Cole  wrote:


On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 01:52, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


It’s all in the Character Viewer, on the Mac -- Control/Command/Space.

Peter


OMG! That's wonderful. Where's this shortcut been all my life :D


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Re: Mud slinging versus genuine criticism

2021-10-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I have no great desire to bully any company, but I do feel
that a company that has banged on for donkey's ages about caring about
its installed base should behave itself a bit better.

I have paid quite a bit of money in my own way and my own time into 
LiveCode,

and don't really begrudge that.

On 25.10.21 19:56, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

Thank you for this, you spoke my thoughts.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On October 25, 2021 8:34:04 AM "e.beugelaar--- via use-livecode" 
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Hi folks,

What has it for purpose to bully a company with high educated 
compassioned people, maybe also fighting to survive, to critisize?


Most of us, cross me when I am wrong, have already a closed license.

Some of us had paid a lot, some less.

Its life.

Kevin, Mark, Heather and all members, Xmas is coming, all wishes in 
this hard times to come.





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Re: Mud slinging versus genuine criticism

2021-10-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
An awful lot of people have "kept their lives under Bushels" because 
they are
afraid of getting the several extremely childish and foul-mouthed 
messages I have got from

you-know-who.

Richmond.

On 25.10.21 17:13, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

On 25 Oct 2021, at 14:54, Richmond via use-livecode:
genuine criticisms

Every word!
‘Extremely intemperate’, maybe, but not without cause. Or, indeed, 
unconsidered. I had held off from commenting at all (to a number of posts in 
fact) while I considered my take on it.

Sometimes a bit of ‘genuine’ (justified) mud gets lobbed along with the 
critique. You don’t have to agree with it. If any of it was false there are 
plenty of others here that could ‘prove’ it. However, here we are.

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Re: Mud slinging versus genuine criticism

2021-10-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

His post was certainly extremely intemperate.

That does NOT mean it does not contain genuine criticisms.

On 24.10.21 4:51, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

If Sean doesn’t like the product, he is certainly within his rights to cancel 
his subscription and cut off all associations.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 23, 2021, at 09:47, Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I am revisiting Sean Cole's posting as some valuable feedback seems
to have got mixed up with some ridiculous claims:

1. "my opinion counts for nothing here"  Well, Yes, there is a slight feeling 
re that as there has been vrry little direct
feedback from LiveCode central.

2. "purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5 with the promise that it would get 
fixed"

Yup: not very good at keeping promises.

3. "You guys put me in hospital more than once." Possibly one of the most 
preposterous accusations I have
ever seen in my life. The reason someone ended up in hospital was because they 
were ill: and it would be a tough,
tough call to demonstrate a causal effect from a piece of software to one's 
physical/mental state.

Actually a very cheap shot indeed which, of course, makes me want to go "Poo 
Poo" to the other points he made.

4. "Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
despondency."

I tend to agree with that one.

5. messed up script editor: what is wrong with it? It certainly would be nice 
to know as I have used LiveCode's script
editors for about 21 years with no obviosu problems at all.

6. messed up dictionary: not obviously: just the odd one or 2 things that might 
be explained better.

7. messed up property inspector: not that I am aware of.

Certainly in any type of attempt at constructive criticism those last 3 points 
need to be elaborated on extensively.

8. "use your product for real-world stuff yourself and try to do it without having 
to use workarounds!"

Well: there's a blanket statement to out blanket statements.

Is my Devawriter Pro (for wonky academics and bonkers yoga heads to type stuff 
in dead Indian languages)
real-world stuff? Are the ESL-for-kiddies content reinforcement and delivery 
standalones real-world stuff?
They both are insofar as they are used constantly: especially the latter, by 
children who, oddly enough,
seem to be getting better at the aspects of English those standalones help them 
reinforce.

I suspect Sean Cole may turn his nose up at us "bottom-feeders" who use 
LiveCode for what are, really, bloody
basic, humdrum requirements: but they do make one hell of a difference to the 
learning experiences of a lot
of children.

I am sorry to unearth this, but I do feel that this 'situation' that has arisen 
has to be examined fully for some good
to come out of it.

Richmond.

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Re: OT: Priorities (was: Re: Stack with the same name loop)

2021-10-24 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

No, coulda, woulda and shoulda are, probably a waste of time, but learning
from history might not be a waste of time.

Richmond.

On 24.10.21 15:19, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

I don't see much benefit in coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Tcl was so prominent it was actually listed in the HTML 4 reference spec as
one of three possible languages which could be used to write dynamic HTML
(VBScript, Tcl, Javascript).

https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/scripts.html

Tcl being widely-deployed, cross-platform and free didn't lead to it being
used within web browsers. Despite all the apparent conditions necessary for
success it sank into obscurity.  It doesn't mean it's not the best thing
for job X, Y, Z, it just means few people are exploiting the benefits it
offers.  Same for Livecode, IMO.

"Men make history, just not on grounds of their own choosing".

Regards, Bernard

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 10:36 PM Paul McClernan via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


What seems to come out of your interesting historical observations is
that HyperCard went "wrong" when people had to start paying for it.


  I think it was a series of things that went wrong with HyperCard.

Interestingly enough WINE (open source) and CodeWeavers (prop.) seem to

manage to co-exist and help each other successfully.



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Re: OT: Priorities (was: Re: Stack with the same name loop)

2021-10-23 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
What seems to come out of your interesting historical observations is 
that HyperCard

went "wrong" when people had to start paying for it.

There is obviously a lesson for today here.

Interestingly enough WINE (open source) and CodeWeavers (prop.) seem to 
manage to

co-exist and help each other successfully.

On 23.10.21 19:02, Paul McClernan via use-livecode wrote:

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 11:56 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I say the people at Livecode LTD. deserve all the recompense they can get,
and by the way, we should be thankful to Steve Jobs who gave us Hypercard
(and actually convinced Apple to give it away for free!


This may be going slightly further off topic, but it's a subject
I've recently become very interested in again, and so for the sake of
accuracy I'd like to try to correct this...

It was actually HyperCard creator Bill Atkinson that gave HyperCard
(originally called WildCard) to Apple on the condition that they would give
it away to users included free with Macintosh computers.

According to Bill, Jobs was actually angry that Atkinson refused to leave
Apple to join Jobs' new company NeXT. Bill wanted to finish HyperCard and
so stayed at Apple. Meanwhile NeXT created Objective C / NeXTstep, AppKit,
etc. (much of which is open source, still available as GNUStep, thanks to
Roger Stallman requiring Jobs to do so to use his GCC compiler). That's
stuff that became the basis for the modern macOS.

In the late 80s the first, and more advanced, clone of HC, SuperCard showed
up, but Apple didn’t sue, they had a working group to standardize HyperTalk
compatible languages (commonly known as xTalk).

Over at Apple HyperCard while financial troubles hit, HC was spun off to a
new subsidiary Claris (now FileMaker Inc.), which re-released HC as
seperate a commercial product, and then HC's popularity started to wane.
Around the same time HC inspired “WebBrowsers” with JavaScript their
Scripting language, came to be. Which further reduced HCs popularity.
Eventually HC was returned to Apple Proper, but hitch was then going to be
used for QuickTime Interactive features of QT 3.0, which didn’t happen due
to a shift towards streaming movies over interactivity.

When Jobs came back to Apple, allegedly Jobs didn’t like HyperCard because
it had “Sculley’s Stink all over it” because Jobs blamed John Sculley for
convincing Atkinson to stay at Apple, and so under Jobs, Apple stopped
supporting HyperCard, leaving it to wither away and die.

HyperCard’s early success popularity was in large part due to it being
freely available and ubiquitous on Macintosh, not in spite of it. Of course
Apple was (and much more so now) a large company that could afford to give
away a product like that to add value to its platform.

I like the idea that in some alternate universe timeline where Apple
successfully made XTalk a widely used standardized language, interactive
pages of information and interactive content is being driven by xTalk
Script rather than HTML/CSS/JavaScript.
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Mud slinging versus genuine criticism

2021-10-23 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I am revisiting Sean Cole's posting as some valuable feedback seems
to have got mixed up with some ridiculous claims:

1. "my opinion counts for nothing here"  Well, Yes, there is a slight 
feeling re that as there has been vrry little direct

feedback from LiveCode central.

2. "purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5 with the promise that it would 
get fixed"


Yup: not very good at keeping promises.

3. "You guys put me in hospital more than once." Possibly one of the 
most preposterous accusations I have
ever seen in my life. The reason someone ended up in hospital was 
because they were ill: and it would be a tough,
tough call to demonstrate a causal effect from a piece of software to 
one's physical/mental state.


Actually a very cheap shot indeed which, of course, makes me want to go 
"Poo Poo" to the other points he made.


4. "Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
despondency."

I tend to agree with that one.

5. messed up script editor: what is wrong with it? It certainly would be 
nice to know as I have used LiveCode's script

editors for about 21 years with no obviosu problems at all.

6. messed up dictionary: not obviously: just the odd one or 2 things 
that might be explained better.


7. messed up property inspector: not that I am aware of.

Certainly in any type of attempt at constructive criticism those last 3 
points need to be elaborated on extensively.


8. "use your product for real-world stuff yourself and try to do it 
without having to use workarounds!"


Well: there's a blanket statement to out blanket statements.

Is my Devawriter Pro (for wonky academics and bonkers yoga heads to type 
stuff in dead Indian languages)
real-world stuff? Are the ESL-for-kiddies content reinforcement and 
delivery standalones real-world stuff?
They both are insofar as they are used constantly: especially the 
latter, by children who, oddly enough,
seem to be getting better at the aspects of English those standalones 
help them reinforce.


I suspect Sean Cole may turn his nose up at us "bottom-feeders" who use 
LiveCode for what are, really, bloody
basic, humdrum requirements: but they do make one hell of a difference 
to the learning experiences of a lot

of children.

I am sorry to unearth this, but I do feel that this 'situation' that has 
arisen has to be examined fully for some good

to come out of it.

Richmond.

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

2021-10-22 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

It does seem odd that those of us who may have unsubscribed to online
surveys get sent mail shots to say we are going to get sent one: so some
wires have got crossed somewhere.

Richmond.

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

2021-10-22 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I honestly do not remember if I unsubscribed or not.

I am often sent this type of survey re education (ESL and programming) 
and have

come, personally, to regard them as an utter waste of time.

Asking people to choose a number on a scale (1 - 10, 1-5, or whatever) 
only results

in nebulous responses to nebulous questions.

Now, Sean's response was "in your face" in a way a survey-monkey thing 
cannot be.


LiveCode have received quite a few "in your face" responses recently: 
responding by sending out a survey-monkey

thing seems a fairly feeble way to respond.

I would deal with these "in your face" responses in the following way:

1. We wanted to have a sea change here at LiveCode, and we certainly 
have precipitated one.


1.1. If we REALLY want demonstrate that we listen to people who use 
LiveCode we should DO that

in terms of tangible results.

2. So, let's get in a huddle and work our way through these "in your 
face" responses and see

if they contain some common threads and themes.

2.1. No, NOT 20 minutes over a cup of coffee: an all-nighter with lots 
of cursing, swearing and

admitting a few home truths about oneself.

3. Having narrowed down any common threads and themes it might be a good 
idea to act upon

them NOW.

My personal "cut", which as, primarily and educator is likely to be 
different from the other writers
of "in your face" responses, is to "retrench" almost completely to the 
end of the LiveCode 8 series and
FIX every bug from before 8.2.0 (the odd DP2 that went the way of all 
flesh) that still has a significant

negative effect on any aspect of LiveCode 8.2 whatsoever.

I will sign this the way I used to sign my postings a few years ago when 
I had the feeling

there was some decent to-and-fro going on.

Love, Richmond.

On 22.10.21 16:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does not 
tell me when or how.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Come on, how should Matthias know?

He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 

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Re: New MacBook Pro Display Notch

2021-10-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I should have thought the simplest way round this problem was to work on 
the assumption that from now on
ALL Apple displays will have a notch and "cut one's stack" to 
accommodate that.


Of course this is only relevant to people who want to annoy end-users by 
providing full-screen window apps.


On 19.10.21 11:55, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode wrote:

The new 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro models announced by Apple yesterday include 
a display notch to house the 1080P front facing camera. Clearly this may cause 
problems for apps that display content in the screen area occupied by the new 
notch.

In response Apple has created a new “compatibility mode” for apps running on 
Macs with a notch. When this mode is active, the system changes the active area 
of the display to avoid the camera housing. This mode can be turned on/off by 
the user via a checkbox in the app’s get info panel or it can be activated or 
deactivated by the developer via a new ‘info.plist’ key.

Link to Apple developer documentation on how to turn on / off this mode using 
the new ‘info.plist’ key is below:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/information_property_list/nsprefersdisplaysafeareacompatibilitymode

Henry

Ascriva Health Informatics
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Re: IDE crashing on Windows 10

2021-10-18 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
The notes for LC 9.6.5 RC 1 indicate NO support for Windows 11 
whatsoever, as it also indicates
no support for any Linux versions since 2016, but is very nearly 
uptodate re Macintosh.


https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_5/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_5_rc_1.pdf


On 18.10.21 12:39, Richmond wrote:
Last time I looked LC were testing their versions on some fairly old 
versions of Linux, so this leads me

to wonder which versions of Windows they are testing on.

Certainly doing almost ALL of their development work on Macintosh

[even though I much prefer Macintosh to Windows]

does seem a bit odd when Windows has a socking great wodge of the 
market share.


I have had to get children who have been working with 9.6.x on Windows 
8 & 10 to "pull back"

to the 8.1.x series because of crashing.

Richmond.

On 18.10.21 11:29, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

I am wondering what is unique about my situation that LC is so flaky on
Windows.  No other app I run crashes like this.  I honestly don't 
believe
anyone who was new to LC would continue to use the tool if it crashed 
the

way it crashes on me.





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Re: IDE crashing on Windows 10

2021-10-18 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Last time I looked LC were testing their versions on some fairly old 
versions of Linux, so this leads me

to wonder which versions of Windows they are testing on.

Certainly doing almost ALL of their development work on Macintosh

[even though I much prefer Macintosh to Windows]

does seem a bit odd when Windows has a socking great wodge of the market 
share.


I have had to get children who have been working with 9.6.x on Windows 8 
& 10 to "pull back"

to the 8.1.x series because of crashing.

Richmond.

On 18.10.21 11:29, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

I am wondering what is unique about my situation that LC is so flaky on
Windows.  No other app I run crashes like this.  I honestly don't believe
anyone who was new to LC would continue to use the tool if it crashed the
way it crashes on me.



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Re: Shaping an image to fit in a polygon

2021-10-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Sorry, I am carrying this over to the Forums as I have a pictorial mind.

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=36367

Richmond.

On 16.10.21 23:04, Richmond wrote:
Also, this presupposes that your 'arbitrary polygon' is exactly that, 
while LiveCode starts a 'polygon graphic' as
a line, and it is quite possible to end up with something that does 
NOT involve an enclosed territory.



On 16.10.21 23:00, Richmond wrote:
I'm a lazy slob, and because of that I would just do this sort of 
thing outwith LiveCode,

with, say, GIMP.

If you could explain your rationale behind trying to go "the long way 
round" in LiveCode

I might be both more sympathetic and more helpful.

Best, Richmond.

On 16.10.21 22:17, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
I am trying to create an image that will appear to have the shape of 
some arbitrary polygon.  The idea is to set the image's alphaData so 
that pixels within the polygon are opaque, and those outside the 
polygon are transparent.  The scripts below create a rectangular 
image of whatever is under the polygon's enclosing rectangle, and 
then adjust the alphaData of that new image.  But while the new 
image gets trimmed a bit, the result does not match the shape of the 
designated polygon. Any thoughts?


David Epstein

on action gID ## gID is the short id of the polygon
   import snapshot from rectangle globalRect(the rect of control id 
gID)

   put the short id of image (the number of images) into imID
   set the width of image id imID to the width of grc id gID
   set the height of image id imID to the height of grc id gID
   set the loc of image id imID to the loc of grc id gID
   set the polyCrop of image id imID to gID
end action

function globalRect theRect
   return globalLoc(item 1 to 2 of theRect),globalLoc(item 3 to 4 of 
theRect)

end globalRect

setProp polyCrop polyID
   -- crop target image's alphadata to show only points within grc 
id polyID

   put the filled of grc id polyID into fillState
   set the filled of grc id polyID to true
   put the rect of the target into r
   put numToChar(255) into P ## opaque
   put numToChar(0) into T ## transparent
   repeat with y = 1+item 2 of r to item 4 of r ## SEE NOTE*
 repeat with x = 1+item 1 of r to item 3 of r
   put x,y into myPoint
   if within(grc id polyID,myPoint) then put P after hold else 
put T after hold

 end repeat
   end repeat
   set the filled of grc id polyID to fillState
   set the alphaData of the target to hold
end polyCrop

* NOTE:  the "1+" is these statements is my effort to step through 
the exact number of pixels in the width and height of the image.  
The number of values in the series (item 1 of the rect of the image) 
to (item 3 of the rect of the image), inclusive, is 1+ the width of 
the image.  (But I am not really sure whether to add 1 to the first 
value or subtract 1 from the last value).

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Re: Shaping an image to fit in a polygon

2021-10-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Also, this presupposes that your 'arbitrary polygon' is exactly that, 
while LiveCode starts a 'polygon graphic' as
a line, and it is quite possible to end up with something that does NOT 
involve an enclosed territory.



On 16.10.21 23:00, Richmond wrote:
I'm a lazy slob, and because of that I would just do this sort of 
thing outwith LiveCode,

with, say, GIMP.

If you could explain your rationale behind trying to go "the long way 
round" in LiveCode

I might be both more sympathetic and more helpful.

Best, Richmond.

On 16.10.21 22:17, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
I am trying to create an image that will appear to have the shape of 
some arbitrary polygon.  The idea is to set the image's alphaData so 
that pixels within the polygon are opaque, and those outside the 
polygon are transparent.  The scripts below create a rectangular 
image of whatever is under the polygon's enclosing rectangle, and 
then adjust the alphaData of that new image.  But while the new image 
gets trimmed a bit, the result does not match the shape of the 
designated polygon. Any thoughts?


David Epstein

on action gID ## gID is the short id of the polygon
   import snapshot from rectangle globalRect(the rect of control id gID)
   put the short id of image (the number of images) into imID
   set the width of image id imID to the width of grc id gID
   set the height of image id imID to the height of grc id gID
   set the loc of image id imID to the loc of grc id gID
   set the polyCrop of image id imID to gID
end action

function globalRect theRect
   return globalLoc(item 1 to 2 of theRect),globalLoc(item 3 to 4 of 
theRect)

end globalRect

setProp polyCrop polyID
   -- crop target image's alphadata to show only points within grc id 
polyID

   put the filled of grc id polyID into fillState
   set the filled of grc id polyID to true
   put the rect of the target into r
   put numToChar(255) into P ## opaque
   put numToChar(0) into T ## transparent
   repeat with y = 1+item 2 of r to item 4 of r ## SEE NOTE*
 repeat with x = 1+item 1 of r to item 3 of r
   put x,y into myPoint
   if within(grc id polyID,myPoint) then put P after hold else 
put T after hold

 end repeat
   end repeat
   set the filled of grc id polyID to fillState
   set the alphaData of the target to hold
end polyCrop

* NOTE:  the "1+" is these statements is my effort to step through 
the exact number of pixels in the width and height of the image.  The 
number of values in the series (item 1 of the rect of the image) to 
(item 3 of the rect of the image), inclusive, is 1+ the width of the 
image.  (But I am not really sure whether to add 1 to the first value 
or subtract 1 from the last value).

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Re: Shaping an image to fit in a polygon

2021-10-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I'm a lazy slob, and because of that I would just do this sort of thing 
outwith LiveCode,

with, say, GIMP.

If you could explain your rationale behind trying to go "the long way 
round" in LiveCode

I might be both more sympathetic and more helpful.

Best, Richmond.

On 16.10.21 22:17, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:

I am trying to create an image that will appear to have the shape of some 
arbitrary polygon.  The idea is to set the image's alphaData so that pixels 
within the polygon are opaque, and those outside the polygon are transparent.  
The scripts below create a rectangular image of whatever is under the polygon's 
enclosing rectangle, and then adjust the alphaData of that new image.  But 
while the new image gets trimmed a bit, the result does not match the shape of 
the designated polygon.  Any thoughts?

David Epstein

on action gID ## gID is the short id of the polygon
   import snapshot from rectangle globalRect(the rect of control id gID)
   put the short id of image (the number of images) into imID
   set the width of image id imID to the width of grc id gID
   set the height of image id imID to the height of grc id gID
   set the loc of image id imID to the loc of grc id gID
   set the polyCrop of image id imID to gID
end action

function globalRect theRect
   return globalLoc(item 1 to 2 of theRect),globalLoc(item 3 to 4 of theRect)
end globalRect

setProp polyCrop polyID
   -- crop target image's alphadata to show only points within grc id polyID
   put the filled of grc id polyID into fillState
   set the filled of grc id polyID to true
   put the rect of the target into r
   put numToChar(255) into P ## opaque
   put numToChar(0) into T ## transparent
   repeat with y = 1+item 2 of r to item 4 of r ## SEE NOTE*
 repeat with x = 1+item 1 of r to item 3 of r
   put x,y into myPoint
   if within(grc id polyID,myPoint) then put P after hold else put T after 
hold
 end repeat
   end repeat
   set the filled of grc id polyID to fillState
   set the alphaData of the target to hold
end polyCrop

* NOTE:  the "1+" is these statements is my effort to step through the exact 
number of pixels in the width and height of the image.  The number of values in the 
series (item 1 of the rect of the image) to (item 3 of the rect of the image), inclusive, 
is 1+ the width of the image.  (But I am not really sure whether to add 1 to the first 
value or subtract 1 from the last value).
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Re: Is the Forum down?

2021-09-13 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Quite a lot of contributors are distracted elsewhere . . .

Richmond.

On 13.09.21 16:43, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:

Seen almost nothing for days.

Craig

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Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

2021-09-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
It does look exciting, but, as usual, the proof of the pudding is in the 
eating and I am sure,
initially at least, there will be a few bits of nutshell left in there 
for us to jag our teeth on:
but that's to be expected, and our job is to report back any nutty bits 
to LiveCode centre.


My thoughts are, as usual, retro, insofar as I hope the syntax changes 
while being clever
will not mean that stacks written WITHOUT those new syntactic features 
will not be openable and

usuable by earlier versions of LiveCode.

On 8.09.21 3:33, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:


On 07/09/2021 23:01, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all.

There has been lots of discussion on the list and forums about the 
one part of Kevin’s announcement regarding the changes in licensing 
but nothing that I see on the other major part of the announcement — 
the new features coming in LiveCode 10.
Good idea for discussion - but we may be shooting in the dark, until 
either the DP or another sneak peek.

New Syntax in 10
Array Literals


Not sure I fully understand this one yet.
    put { "a": "b", "c":"d" } into tVar
seems clear - and is explained with an equivalent in existing code.

But
 put [1, 2, 3 ] into tVar2
isn't clear to me. If it was in Python it would be a list - but LC 
doesn't have 'lists'.


Is it equivalent to
   put true into tVar2[1]
   put true into tVar2[2]
   put true into tVar2[3]    ??

Or if not, then what is it equivalent to ?

But generally, I like the idea. Though it does just make me want to 
ask for more :-)


Why just constants ?

Why can't I say
    put { myvar: "first", anothervar: tWhatever } into tVar2   ?


Constant Expressions


About time. I trust you can actually do
   constant Kmin=100, kMax=200, kMid=(kmin+kmax)/2


Static Switch Optimization


Yes - good thing.I have a bunch of code (which I might not want to 
show in public), where this will make a significant difference. I was 
worried by the statement that "... recognises cases where all the 
cases are constant", but realised that you can always cover the other 
cases by putting them into a separate switch/if-then-else in the 
'default' case.




Constant folding


I confess I assumed that was already there :-)

But I was disappointed to not see my two biggest 'constant' wishes

1. multi-line constants e.g. amongst other ways, Python's

put """line 1

line 2

line 3""" into tVar

2. global constants. Most compiled languages will allow an 'include' 
file which can specify constants, which you can then rely on to be 
defined properly (and the same) everywhere. So that's probably too 
much at odds with LC's model - but could be handled by 'protect' 
global variables (or, I'm sure, another 10 ways that Mark W. could 
think of).



Tail Expressions


I just don't understand this one, so no comment.

Anyway I am excited to see the first DP which is promised in the next 
couple of weeks.  My wife and I have an ongoing disagreement about 
the term 'couple of’ in terms of counting.  I say it means around 2 
or 3ish.  She says it means 2. Further she says if you wanted to say 
3 or 4 you would say ‘a few’.  So in this case I am hoping she is 
right and I am wrong and we do get the new DP in a couple of weeks 
and not a few weeks. :-)


That sounds like a 'couple' discussion I wouldn't want to get in the 
middle of. Even worse than whether a sign on the freeway/motorway 
saying "xyz next exit" means the immediately coming exit (i.e. 'this 
exit' or 'next exit'), or the following one. Caused me no end of 
trouble when I first moved to the US :-)


Alex.

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Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Dreamweaver, RevMedia . . . absolutely no need to do any thinking
whatsoever . . . it has all happened before.

On 5.09.21 10:42, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote:

Not sure how this would work - but what if only licensed versions of LC could 
produce and run distributable/shareable stacks while the free version could 
only run stacks produced by that particular instance of the app?

On 5/9/21, 3:57 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

 You wouldn't necessarily even need that much. Tell them to install the free
 version and open your stack from the File menu. It isn't an app but they'd
 have all the capabilities.
 --
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 HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
 On September 4, 2021 7:53:43 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
  wrote:



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Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Of course LiveCode are prefectly entitled to go the way they want to.

What is a very great pity is that they are no longer making existing 
Community versions

available for download.

Richmond.

On 31.08.21 19:16, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

I just read and watched Kevin's announcement about LC licensing.
The value for us in the OSS license was simply a greater level of assurance
that there would be longevity in the event that LC the company failed, as
the source was still there for someone else to pick up. I think that's how
MC -> RR.
So I am disappointed that the code will not be out in the open in the event
of a business failure, however, I'm also respectful of the need for more
revenue.
I will leave it to others to discuss the failure of LC to deliver x,y,z and
how that plays into the situation.
I am also not privy to a recent P/L, so I am in a bad position to opine on
what they should do or prioritize.




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Hard case

2021-08-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

This sort of thing does not seem to be working:

case (XITEM contains "@")

Richmond

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Re: Annoying double parens, brackets and quotes

2021-08-03 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

That feature is a real pain-in-the-bum when teaching.

On 3.08.21 г. 4:13, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Could someone please tell me how to turn off the double parens, brackets and 
quotes in the script editor? IOW when I type ( , I don’t want ( ).

Thanks very much!!

Roger
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.3 RC-2

2021-07-23 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
This is wonderful: thanks to LiveCode central for sorting out a real 
"Howler"!


Richmond.

On 23.07.21 22:18, panagiotis m via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks for the update Trevor

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, 21:53 Trevor DeVore via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:23 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


   - Fix some images rendering as black in recent macOS versions


I can confirm that this issue is fixed on macOS Big Sur. Thanks!

--
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That didn't hurt much . . .

2021-07-07 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
No, not the dentist (although, mind you, I have visited the dentist 12 
times in the last 3 months),


but just lobbed a small donation to LiveCode Community from my PayPal 
account . . .


Why don't you do that as well?

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Re: building standalone FAILS with German Umlaute in app name

2021-06-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Oddly enough, trying to make standalones from a stack called "करिय" 
worked perfectly well.


Richmond.

On 16.06.21 8:18, Richmond wrote:



Richmond



On 15.06.21 22:03, Keith Martin via use-livecode wrote:
OT: Fortunately (in a sense) when I got a frozen shoulder four years 
ago I had surgery to release it. Because I'd also dislocated and 
fractured it. Longboard injury. Anyway, it worked well. But I hope 
the solution for this problem is faster and less painful!


Keith

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Contact and info http://thatkeith.com
+44 (0)7909541365



On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:50 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:


It sounds funny but that is the advice given for people with 
adhesive capsulitis aka “frozen shoulder”. Best thing to do is just 
leave it alone and don’t irritate it. It will resolve itself over a 
period of months or years 


On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:


A man went to see hist doctor for a problem with his shoulder. He 
told the doctor, "When I move my arm like this, my shoulder really 
hurts!" They doctor replied, "Well, don't do that!"


:-)

Bob S


On Jun 15, 2021, at 06:19 , Tiemo via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hello,



macOS 11.2.3, LC 9.6.1 and 9.6.2



when the app name has German Umlaute, building a standalone fails 
with the

error:

"Adding ad-hoc signature failed. . Too many open files in 
subcomponent

myÖApp.app/Contents/MacOS/myÖApp.app"



This was working for the last years without any problem. I don't 
know, since

which version it failed.

When replacing the Umlaut, everything works fine.

Since I have to build shortly an update to an existing app with an 
Umlaut in

its name, this is pretty annoying!



Any workaround? Any help?



Tiemo

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Re: building standalone FAILS with German Umlaute in app name

2021-06-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

All I can do, unfortunately, is confirm this:

I built a stack called "Ünterweg" (sorry, people, my German consists of 
half a dozen street signs) and

attempted to build a standalone

macOS 11.5 beta 2

and got the guff about an ad-hoc signature failure and some interesting 
nonsense about


"Too many open files in subcomponent"

and what is odd is that it refers to the incipient standalone as

"UÃànterweg"

Richmond



On 15.06.21 22:03, Keith Martin via use-livecode wrote:

OT: Fortunately (in a sense) when I got a frozen shoulder four years ago I had 
surgery to release it. Because I'd also dislocated and fractured it. Longboard 
injury. Anyway, it worked well. But I hope the solution for this problem is 
faster and less painful!

Keith

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Contact and info http://thatkeith.com
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On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:50 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:

It sounds funny but that is the advice given for people with adhesive 
capsulitis aka “frozen shoulder”. Best thing to do is just leave it alone and 
don’t irritate it. It will resolve itself over a period of months or years 


On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:

A man went to see hist doctor for a problem with his shoulder. He told the doctor, "When I 
move my arm like this, my shoulder really hurts!" They doctor replied, "Well, don't do 
that!"

:-)

Bob S



On Jun 15, 2021, at 06:19 , Tiemo via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hello,



macOS 11.2.3, LC 9.6.1 and 9.6.2



when the app name has German Umlaute, building a standalone fails with the
error:

"Adding ad-hoc signature failed. . Too many open files in subcomponent
myÖApp.app/Contents/MacOS/myÖApp.app"



This was working for the last years without any problem. I don't know, since
which version it failed.

When replacing the Umlaut, everything works fine.

Since I have to build shortly an update to an existing app with an Umlaut in
its name, this is pretty annoying!



Any workaround? Any help?



Tiemo

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Re: building standalone FAILS with German Umlaute in app name

2021-06-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Dunno . . .

I had peri-arthritis in my right shoulder about 2 years ago and had to 
have 2 very painful injections

of non-cortico-steroids there, right into the inflamed capsule.

Did the trick.

I have never had any problems with my umlauts. :)

Richmond

On 15.06.21 21:29, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:

mark muttered,


It sounds funny but that is the advice given for people with adhesive 
capsulitis aka “frozen shoulder”.

I was given this advice for wines.  We eventually figured out that those 
headaches came the night after sharing a bottle of inexpensive white with my 
wife, or even a single glass of chilean red.

I mentioned it to my quack, and his response was, “Oh, we’ve seen that before.  
Just don’t drink those ones.”

By chance, we found that it is probably histamines—because I took 
antihistamines for something eolse one morning.  (And it’s a sinus headache, 
the length of those tissues).

Oh, and cheap to mid-range distilled liquor; upper mid- and beyond isn’t an 
issue.

Anyway, walking out of the office that day, I realized, “I have Groucho Marx’s 
physician!”

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Re: 3-way slider control

2021-05-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Sorry: went a bit bonkers:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=35903

Richmond.

On 25.05.21 20:23, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Ah yes, I knew that but had forgotten it. Thank you, Klaus!

Roger


On May 25, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi freinds,

this - ≥
is a MAC-only character and will throw an error on Windows!
Use/replace with:
<=

=

<>
for full platform comatibilty!


Am 25.05.2021 um 19:06 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode 
:

Hi Paul, I’m not able to duplicate the error here. Can you tell what control 
you were adjusting?

You should be able to achieve what you want by changing the ‘backBar” grc style 
from roundrect to oval. You might have to play with the code a bit, but it 
should work.

Roger

Thank you. ScrollbarOmatic looks like I could adjust setting to get something closer to a 
"circle inside an oval" 3-position switch. FYI as I was adjusting the controls 
to get the style I am seeking the following error popped up:

*compiling at 11:34:54 AM*

Type Expression: bad factor

Object backBar

Line if tx ≥ tIndEndPos then

Hint ≥

I did not seem to actually impact continue to refine the appearance.

Best

Klaus

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

2021-05-22 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Why need there be such a long-winded discussion anent download time?

Surely we are all not so impatient a 90 minute or so wait is not that 
significant to move from a Release

Candidate to a Stable version?

Richmond.

On 22.05.21 19:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
It was Thursday, the day after the announcement, mid-afternoon Central 
time. But part of the problem may have been on my end, recently our 
bandwidth has been dropping to unacceptable speeds sporadically. Never 
down in the kilobyte ranges though.


--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On May 22, 2021 1:22:27 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Do you remember approx. what time of day?
And was it soon after a release announcement?




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Re: LC puts stuff in the trash upon quit!

2021-05-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

On which operating system is this?

I have not noticed it on MacOS or Xubuntu Linux.

Richmond.

On 15.05.21 16:46, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I have noticed this oddity for a long time.
No other program that I own does this.

Why is LC so dirty?

Rick

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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

2021-04-11 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Writing as someone who has had the extremely dubious honour of being 
banned more than once . . .


How does it go?

To err is human,
to forgive is divine.

And if there is anyone on this use-list who has not rubbed someone up 
the wrong way at least once I would be very surprised.


Live, Love, Learn . . .

Oh, cripes, that makes me sound like an unreconstructed hippy.

Love, Richmond.

On 11.04.21 0:41, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Charles:


Please do not ban anyone.


Somehow that struck me as a pure and beautiful sentiment!
Short and simple. It grew on me during the list silence today.

We can be punitive, or else help each other as we imperfectly stumble.

I'd hate to see the entire list hurt for the sake of a careless word;
and that is what would happen. Because weighing the pros and cons,
we lose more than we gain as we dwindle in number and viewpoints/skills.

Here, please allow me to do the honors:

Sorry. Deepest apologies to one and all.
And again sorry.

May those who are offended find healing and forgiveness.
May love prevail in all our interactions here and elsewhere.

Hope we can move on. So many LC matters to discuss. Have a good weekend!

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: How do you handle 32/64 bit Windows standalones?

2021-04-06 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I provide both: here have a look: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2vgc1ei088hdqay/AAC8ac27eZuiI_BsWFlFQQjYa?dl=0


Richmond.

On 6.04.21 12:36, Tiemo via use-livecode wrote:

Hello,

  


When creating a Windows standalone, are you still creating the 32Bit
standalone or only anymore 64 Bit Versions of your products?

I know, that Microsoft doesn't delivers 32 Bit Versions anymore since 2020,
but I didn't found statistics about the current shares of 32/64 Bit Windows
Systems out there (in Germany).

  


Are there any caveats against going on with 32 Bit versions for some more
years?

  


How do you handle this today?

  

  

  


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Re: autohilite FUBAR?

2021-04-02 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I can confirm that this does not happen on Mac OS 11 with LC 9.6.1

Richmond

On 3.04.21 6:30, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Not so for me on Mac OS Big Sur and LC 9.6

Roger


On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:52 PM, chipsm themartinz.com via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I tested this and it is true. As you move the Mouse across the button (in the 
mouse-Down) it does flash.

Sincerely,

Clarence Martin
Email: chi...@themartinz.com
Phone: 626 6965561

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Richard 
Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 2:26 PM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Richard Gaskin 
Subject: autohilite FUBAR?

I recently noticed that if you hold the mouse down on a button and move it, the 
button doesn't stay highlighted, but instead the highlight  flashes.

Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone have a clue as to when it first went south?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-27 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I despair . . . how could one lower oneself to two fingers of 'whiskey'?

Just now I am enjoying a glass of whisky (without the offending 'e').

Richmond.

On 27.03.21 20:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Roger Guay wrote:


On Mar 26, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


What are you looking for?  When were these "good ol days"
in which one could run stack files without an engine, and
how did that work?


In the good ol days, I could build a standalone for the Mac,
Windows and Linux and distribute it willy-nilly. Now I have to
jump thru intolerable hoops (at least for the Mac) to give
someone my standalone. if someone (hint. . .hint) could build
a Livecode reader app for dirt cheap or even free w advertising
that would run LC standalones, everything would be right in the
world again!

I think my martini is showing...


After I read that I poured myself two fingers of whiskey and sat back 
enjoying the memories you conjured. Good thoughts. Thanks.


In those days we made software for single users to run on a single 
computer running one brand of OS.


The web had barely been invented, the Internet not yet privatized for 
general use, and "cloud" was still called "mainframe".


It was a much simpler time. I miss those days myself.


The hoops we now jump through to deliver apps are OS vendors 
responding to an evolving need to establish trust in hostile connected 
environments.


As software opportunities have expanded, they've for everyone, good 
and bad actors alike.


My response to Alex was apparently too long to be read, but I touched 
on this in third block, re "security", re implications for a player as 
well:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2021-March/263948.html




This conversation has given me some focus and clarification of the
basic idea. Here is what I would love to see: A LiveCodeLight
downloadable from the mother ship.


Why specifically from the mother ship?

Or to put it in business terms, which features/bug fixes would you be 
willing to see dropped so the company could commit to making and 
maintaining yet another project?


In addition to the opportunity cost to the company, there's also the 
segment who would use it as an alternative to maintaining a current 
license, resulting in at least some degree of revenue cannibalization.


And while the upside is non-zero, it's limited to a slender subset of 
promotional value opportunities which could more easily be attained 
with nearly any marketing strategy at lower cost, and in ways that 
more directly feed their funnel.


Moreover, a player produces no direct revenue, but maintenance and 
support obligations create immediate (if modest) direct payroll impact.


Free software isn't free to make and maintain.



LiveCodeLight would be a stripped down version of the community
edition that would not open the IDE, but would open and run stacks.

Thanks, Brian for the idea.

Is that a cool idea or what?


Also addressed in my earlier post (some day I'll learn to write less 
here).


The close of that post suggested this might make a good community 
project, and described how simple it could be if anyone here really 
wanted something that rudimentary.


But (for the reasons also described in that post) it would have to be 
with Community, which raises two questions not yet answered in any 
subsequent reply:


How many who would use a generic player would be willing to relicense 
their works under GPL, as would be required if distributed via the 
GPL-governed Community Edition.


And with Community's role in LC's business as a sort of freemium 
offer, how many projects might one want to distribute with a player 
which use absolutely none of any features found only in the 
proprietary editions, Indy and Business?





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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

2021-03-27 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Maybe I'm missing something, but what would be the advantage of using 
stack runner

over a standalone?

Richmond.

On 27.03.21 19:27, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Could be, but that requires you to be an Apple Developer. Too much hassle! A 
LiveCodeLight from RunRev that runs stacks without the IDE would be easier.

Roger



On Mar 27, 2021, at 10:18 AM, ELS Prothero via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I thought that if you set up beta testers, with the id of the device an app 
would be run on, others could run your app as a beta tester. But, perhaps,you 
need an apple license to do even that?
Bill

William Prothero
https://earthlearningsolutions.org


On Mar 26, 2021, at 10:10 PM, David Squance via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Thanks for the confirmation.
Dave


On Mar 26, 2021, at 10:05 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

You’re right, David. I was specifically addressing standalones for Mac, Windows 
and Linux. They are easily created without licenses etc. for use on your own 
computer, but cannot be distributed w/o licenses etc

Roger


On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:39 PM, David Squance via use-livecode 
 wrote:

It was my understanding that iOS apps can’t even be created without a license 
from Apple. Mostly what I would want to share would be games I made for my 
grandson and he only uses iOS devices.

I’ve never tried making a standalone for iOS, even for testing, because I 
didn’t think I could. Is that not the case?

Dave


On Mar 26, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Roger Guay wrote:

Has anyone thought of building a “legal” and “blessed" app for
Mac, WIndows and Linux that would open standalones for for each
of those platforms? Why put each of us through the agony (and
expense) of shifting/changing requirements to be able to easily
distribute standalones? Just as Microsoft Word is required to
open .doc files why not have something like LCreader app open
.livecode files


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Re: Multiple Displays and Screenrect

2021-03-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

put the screenrects

with an 's'

Best, Richmond.

On 18.03.21 23:28, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Can someone please tell me how to get the screenRect of multiple monitor setup?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

2021-03-16 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

That nonsense about extra monitors seems to be a MacOS 11 "thing".

I generally have 2 powered USB hubs connected via my USB-C to HDMI 
monitor things: if they are connected when I start up
no video signal is sent to either my right or my left monitor, only to 
the central one. If, having started up like that, I
unplug those 2 hubs, count to 10, and then reconnect them, I get video 
signals to all 3 monitors.


Totally Mental!

Best, Richmond.

On 16.03.21 9:05, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks to everyone testing this! Trashing the prefs didn’t help, trashing all 
files in the ”Application support”-folder didn’t help! But, I tried to unplug 
my second monitor… Started LC and then, everything worked! Plugged the monitor 
back again, end now, it works! Now I can even click the buttons in the ”Save 
before closing”-dialog that is tucked to the menu bar. I have not been able to 
do that before!

The only hiccup now is that the revMenubar starts right aligned on my second 
monitor, but I always move it to my second (bigger) screen anyway so that is a 
minor bump in the road.

:-Håkan
On 16 Mar 2021, 04:23 +0100, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
, wrote:

I just downloaded and tested on my MBP16(2019), single screen, MacOS
11.2.2, and also in parallels Win10(v1909) and had no issues.

BTW, visual effects work a dream and even macOS CoreImage effects work
great. Super. Hope to see more (HTML5, hint, hint) soon.

Sean

On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 18:28, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and
fired it up
without any problems at all:

macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.

I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at
startup) that is
clogging up the works.

Best, Richmond.

On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts

but is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t
click anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select
”Quit” from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do
is to ”Force Quit” the application.

Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual

monitor setup.

Any one else having this???

:-Håkan
On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or

via

the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:

- Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
- Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
- mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
- PDF Widget broken on iOS device

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:


http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros

with

Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit

LTS

yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions

of

Xcode as follows:

- macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS

12.1

SDK
- macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
- macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the

specific

version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

2021-03-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and 
fired it up

without any problems at all:

macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.

I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at 
startup) that is

clogging up the works.

Best, Richmond.

On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts but is 
totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t click 
anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select ”Quit” from 
the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do is to ”Force 
Quit” the application.

Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual monitor setup.

Any one else having this???

:-Håkan
On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
, wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:

- Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
- Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
- mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
- PDF Widget broken on iOS device

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

- macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
- macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
- macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team


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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-03-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I'd like to address your comments bit-by-bit, so firgive me for 
interleaving them in your post.


On 14.03.21 22:16, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:
I understand, for me no issue. But for a novice, or an elderly someone 
with very minor knowledge about computers that is already an obstacle. 
They can find the print icon, that's about it.


AS the proud possessor of a 90 year old Mum I can confirm this.



Op 12-3-2021 om 01:20 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
As a print device specialist, I can tell you that printing directly 
from a web browser, be it a PDF or a web page or anything, is 
problematic. It is ALWAYS better to produce a PDF then print from a 
real PDF product. Web browsers give you printing as an afterthought. 
“Oh you want to print too?? Uh… okay here you go.”


Erm: I assume this message somehow connects with LiveCode, although that 
is not clear.


Be that true, my comments are based on that:

Yes, printing directly from a browser is utter crap as everything gets 
shunted around, resized and so forth.

So, printing from a browser is largely a waste of time, paper and ink/toner.

HOWEVER, printing from the LC browser widget does NOT have to conform to 
what web-browsers that sit directly on
the OS do, and it would serve the whole LC community if printing 
vis-a-vis the browser widget worked in the same

way as, say, printing out a document from LibreOffice.

One would suppose that one could leverage _print card_ in a way that 
would serve . . .


As long as one's browser widget size coincided with the size of the card 
on which the browser widget resided
one should get something printed out that resembled the web page as it 
was displayed inwith the browser widget.


Of course (!) this might mean that one would have to have some "funny" 
code in one's print button:


set the width of stack "BASEC" to the width of widget "WBB"
set the height of stack "BASEC" to the height of widget "WBB"
set the top of widget "WBB" to 0
set the left of widget "WBB" to 0
.

this might entail quite a lot of the stack disappearing off-screen, but 
one could have more code resizing the stack back to its "normal" size 
after the _print card_ signal had been sent.


Will try this later and post images to the Forums . . .

Best, Richmond.


Bob S


On Mar 11, 2021, at 12:25 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
wrote:


Not just LC.


Aha: an orphaned phrase. Gottit!



If you try to print a Gmail message in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, then 
it creates also a pdf which is not getting printed.


Doing the same in chrome and it prints correct.

Printing from Firefox to pdf, then open the pdf in the standard pdf 
reader, it prints also correct.


This was with a Canon inkjet, but there are also issues with other 
brands. In this it looks like Firefox is doing something weird.


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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

2021-02-24 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Tough to let you know my results if none of us have your script . . .

Best, Richmond.

On 24.02.21 5:19, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.

I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
a different email address with another message.

It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.

I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
subject line.

I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
well for everyone else then I know it’s something
wrong with my computer.

Please let me know your results.

Thanks,

Rick



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Re: [OT] Poll: What does it mean for 1 rect to be 'within' a certain distance of another rect?

2021-02-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Sorry: I have moved over here:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=35407

as I believe a picture is worth a thousand words:

Richmond.

On 16.02.21 1:13, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
I think the natural definition would be distance between the 
respective boundaries; i.e., edge to edge distance, but also the 
distance between corners. That is, if any of r1's corners is d 
distance from any one of r2's closest corners.


On 2/15/21 4:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
This is an Off Topic informal poll of sorts, but related to LiveCode 
as I am writing a LiveCode expression to determine if 2 arbitrary 
rectangles (r1,r2) are with some distance d (in px) of one another. 
In considering this problem, the questions comes up: What is meant by 
rectangles being within a distance d of one another. What is the 'd' 
measured from?


center to center? Easiest is many ways, but I don't think this is 
what most people would think of.


adjacent edge to adjacent edge? This is harder (I think), but I think 
this is what more people intuitively think of. To me, implicit in the 
visual concept of 2 rects being within some distance of one another 
is that they are NOT overlapping, but that some gap exists between 
the nearest adjacent edges?


Something else? What does 2 rects  being 'within' d pixels of one 
another mean to you, if not one of the two above options?


Maybe there is a exact mathematical definition of what 2 rectangles 
being within distance d of one another is, but, if there is, I am 
unfamiliar with it.



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Re: [OT] Poll: What does it mean for 1 rect to be 'within' a certain distance of another rect?

2021-02-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I would go for the distance between edges, although I can see the 
Mathematical wobbly bits you

are going to have to jump through.

Richmond.

On 16.02.21 0:53, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
This is an Off Topic informal poll of sorts, but related to LiveCode 
as I am writing a LiveCode expression to determine if 2 arbitrary 
rectangles (r1,r2) are with some distance d (in px) of one another. In 
considering this problem, the questions comes up: What is meant by 
rectangles being within a distance d of one another. What is the 'd' 
measured from?


center to center? Easiest is many ways, but I don't think this is what 
most people would think of.


adjacent edge to adjacent edge? This is harder (I think), but I think 
this is what more people intuitively think of. To me, implicit in the 
visual concept of 2 rects being within some distance of one another is 
that they are NOT overlapping, but that some gap exists between the 
nearest adjacent edges?


Something else? What does 2 rects  being 'within' d pixels of one 
another mean to you, if not one of the two above options?


Maybe there is a exact mathematical definition of what 2 rectangles 
being within distance d of one another is, but, if there is, I am 
unfamiliar with it.



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Re: LC Roadmap

2021-02-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I don't want any headaches, but as I develop on Macintosh and Linux B4X 
is no good.


On 14.02.21 17:29, e.beugelaar--- via use-livecode wrote:

https://www.b4x.com if u dont want headaches.

Get Outlook for Android


From: use-livecode  on behalf of Curry 
Kenworthy via use-livecode 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 11:31:47 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
Cc: Curry Kenworthy 
Subject: Re: LC Roadmap


JeeJeeStudio:

  > I like Livecode a lot, but it has it's limitations,
  > lot of bugs are not solved.

True. Would be more accurate with "yet" added; solving bugs is ongoing!
We could also say that many bugs HAVE been solved. Moderate progress.
(I know, having been on the front lines of the bug-reporting battle.)

I attribute bug density to dev strategy during the "Great Refactoring."
Good: Kickstarter project threw money/man-hours at LC to achieve a lot.
Bad: Code quality was mediocre; lots of bugs introduced at that time.
(We are STILL finding and reporting LC 7 and 8 bugs.)

Problem: Digging out from under myriad bugs takes big money/man-hours.
Meanwhile: Platforms, especially Apple and Mobile, are moving targets.

Traditional solution: Use a new campaign, like FM, for cashflow.
Underlying philosophy: Quality = energy/money/time.
Potential weakness: History could repeat itself. New code quality??

My proposed solution: Decrease net bugs with more careful coding.
Underlying philosophy: New code should be good code. (Almost zero-sum.)
Potential weakness: Too late for the Refactoring; only useful from now.

  > Livecode is great! Don't misunderstand and it learns a lot of
  > people to program. But it runs behind future facts.

Some truth there too, but it misses a (gigantic) point. In fact, two:

A. A good IDE is not ONLY about features, bugs, and platforms.
B. LC's benefit is not ONLY about being easy to learn. (When it is.)

If that's the only reason you're here, you don't understand LC!

And you're not the only one. Even those at the top have missed it.
Raney failed to see it: He considered MC a stepping stone to C.
LC Ltd also missed part of it: many unique benefits under-promoted.
And the way some features are added CONTRADICTS the LC paradigm.

LiveCode - and the legacy of HyperCard - is not Just Another IDE.
People have usually failed miserably at explaining the magic.
("Easy English-like language?" Way too vague! Also missing the point.)
Too few good analyses, too much parroting weak/transient slogans.

I intend to do a bit myself in that area soon, explaining what HC/LC is.
(I had health/energy problems, thus some detractors, but they'll see!)
The unique strengths of LC paradigm -yes, paradigm- deserve attention.
That's why I'm making it a point to be more active on this list.

That paradigm is why many of us are here: not just a handy-dandy tool.
It's a worldview of how to code - which should be updated not discarded.
This paradigm has extreme value; likely more than even LC Ltd realizes.
That's why I'm making it a point to be more active on this list!

Growing the audience again requires understanding/promoting that value.
You can't just swap in any XYZ tool/language for LC. It ain't the same!
Nor is success ONLY about winning the feature and platform arms race.
That, but so much more. Paradigm is key. It has been neglected too long.

We must MAKE THE CASE for LC. Some have tried (thanks!) but not enough.
I feel paradigm is equally important to explain to LC Ltd, as to users.

  > HTML5 is a drag in LC, unusable, to play ok, to really use no way..

Not much argument there! Hopefully good things coming.

  > And next to it I'm learning Flutter platform with Dart
  > as main language, it's free, it's the future

Thanks for sharing that. It looks pretty good.
However, really the future? Maybe not!
End of LC? "Hell no!" :D

(At least, if LC Ltd play their hand well.)

Again, there's #1. Paradigm - more on that soon, when I have time.
But also several other factors in play:

2. Current and future tech changes; you ain't seen nothing yet!
3. Mega corp competition; Apple & others will frequently reinvent.
4. Tech giant control; Silicon Valley oversteps, people will push back.
5. Corporations are good at innovation, also good at screwing up.

The control factor might bite Google and Apple soon:
should I build there, when Powers That Be can pull the plug anytime?
Increasingly, the big guys don't follow their own rules; it's arbitrary.

Tip: they just love control, whether visual fashion trends or ideology.
What they encourage one year may become a "sin" the next. (Hi, Apple!)
Very often it's simply dollars and cents; more control means more fees.

Meanwhile, you're at the mercy of their tech whims.
Whatever they think should be the new trend, you must do.
Modern corporate strategy is to reinvent for profit; relentless change.

Factor #5 is also big for me. Remember how Google would "fix" search?
They "fixed" it alright! They killed it; try 

Re: LC Roadmap

2021-02-12 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I've said something to that effect earlier, at which point I was jumped 
all over.


So, because I don't want to be jumped all over again, and because
saying the 'roadmap' needs to be updated will have no effect (didn't the 
last 3 times),

I'm NOT stating what I think.

Love. kisses, and other things,

Richmond.

On 12.02.21 14:12, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

see subject -> Last Updated on July 14, 2020
I think it is time to update the roadmap, what do you think?


Best

Klaus
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Re: No visual effects on Big Sur?

2021-02-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

No joy over here:

LC 9.6.2 RC 2 / macOS 11.3 Beta 1

But this does work this way:

LC 8.2.0 DP 2 / macOS 11.3 Beta 1

So the problem may not lie with macOS.

On 7.02.21 15:42, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

That is strange. As it worked for you Sean, what machine are you on? But, as we 
have several of us where it doesn’t work I filed a bug anyway:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23085

:-Håkan
On 7 Feb 2021, 05:12 +0100, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
, wrote:

Hi all,
I just tested here in BigSur 11.2 and they work fine in both the IDE and
standalone. The only ones that do not work are the core image transitions
(with the exception of dissolve which, although having the same name, does
not appear to use the CI version of the effect).

I made a simple default stack with one button with this code:

on mouseUp pButtonNumber
lock screen for visual effect
set the backcolor of this card to (line random(552) of colornames())
unlock screen with visual effect "dissolve"
end mouseUp

The standalone was set with all the default parameters and auto inclusions.

Sean

On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 at 18:16, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hakan:
I get the same thing. Big Sur, livecode version LC 9.6.2 (rc2). It was
working on previous versions.

Yes, please file a bug report.

Bill


On Feb 5, 2021, at 10:55 PM, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Running LC 9.6.2 (rc2) on macOS Big Sur I have no visual effects that

work. None! Is there anyone else having the same experience, or is it just
my setup? I have tried to wipe every RunRev/LiveCode file in the Library
and in the applications folder and then reinstall but still no luck. Also
tried older (stable versions) with no luck, but that was before wiping
every file out of existence.

Can anyone else running Big Sur confirm before I file a bug-report?

:-Håkan
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Re: background images

2021-01-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Just import an image for a card and set its level to 1: no 'nonsense' about
background images at all.

Richmond.

On 19.01.21 2:44, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:
Right, which is why this is so confusing. I do not want a 'shared 
text' image.
Each card should keep it's own unique image, but when I change the 
image on one card, all the cards end up with the same image. That is 
what I want to fix.


Tim Selander

On 2021.01.19 3:21, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Tim,

Am 18.01.2021 um 19:12 schrieb Tim Selander via use-livecode 
:


This is driving me nuts.

Have a 'background' group with an image. If I change the filename of 
an image on one card, ALL the cards change to that image. Yet a 
field in the same group properly will take unique values for each card.


I know I've done this before... what setting am I missing??
Dropbox link to test stack: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r0ku3fw2i2pen7/test.livecode?dl=0


fields can have a "sharedtext" property, so they can hold different 
text on each card if part of a group.

Images can NOT!


Any help appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


Best

Klaus

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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

https://www.mediastorehouse.co.uk/pimage/164/4418216/4418216_450_450_81393_0_fill_0_e37e7951f24a5587cf10b5e3ccda4347.jpg

On 14.01.21 23:29, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:

this cheesehead is here since 2014 

Op 14-1-2021 om 03:45 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
You are new here, so I will just say that among the forbidden topics 
on this list, sex, politics, religion (pretty much everything that 
really matters in this world) is the subject of cheese. Consider 
yourself notified. ;-)


Bob S


On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:15 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
wrote:


Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, 
although

in China they don't mind that.

Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:


JeeJeeStudio:

One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
is still present.

I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.

Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), torture,
gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial crackdowns,
thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
list could go on for many pages.

I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which probably
have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
rights are respected.

(I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to it.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

2021-01-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Supercard is no longer very super (remember playing around with it in 1994)
as it is 32-bit MacOS only.

Richmond.

On 14.01.21 12:53, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

I paid for the Windows version of SuperCard that was advertised in MacUser for 
some considerable time in the ?mid 90s.  I waited, and waited, and waited….


On 13 Jan 2021, at 8:00 pm, Michael Kristensen via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Richard Gaskin wrote:


We've been here before...

68k -> PPC
Classic -> OS X
PPC -> Intel
32-bit -> 64-bit


More form memory-land:

Yesterday I downloaded SuperCard 4.8.1 Trail wich still is maintained.

I was able to convert some 30 years old SC stacks so they could run again (at 
least for 30 days).

It look exactly like when I left it for Revolution and Livecode.

Richard, you might be the first person I ever emailed to, back then when we had 
telephone modems (ky)

Michael
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Hmm: Down our way (Bulgaria), we can buy 'Gouda' that is made in Germany,
so that protection (considering Bulgaria is in the EU) looks a bit dicky.

On 13.01.21 23:15, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:

Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, although
in China they don't mind that.

Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:


JeeJeeStudio:

  > One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
  > buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
  > is still present.

I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.

Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), torture,
gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial crackdowns,
thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
list could go on for many pages.

I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which probably
have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
rights are respected.

(I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to it.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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LiveCode Training and Consulting
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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

As

get the length of audioClip "M9.wav"

crashes LiveCode

I wonder of there is a way to determine the length of audioClips reliably?

Richmond.
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Hmm: Yes, I do work occasionally on a couple of G5 iMac I have lying 
around, and, more often, a G4 Mac Mini
(a lovely machine I can shove in my bag and run back and forth between 
home and work): BUT, to tell the  truth,
at the moment my main work is spread between a 2018 Mac Mini (the last 
INTEL model) running macOS 11.2 and an ASUS

laptop running Xubuntu 20.10.

Apple, like Microsoft, is a profoundly undemocratic institution. This 
should not matter if the 'great dictator' is
truly 'great' (and even the sainted Steve Jobs has feet of clay); but 
those types of dictators only crop up in places

like Plato's Laws and fairy stories.

When I read Plato's Laws I got an ENTIRELY different picture from all 
those 'leisurely chats' between Socrates

and his chums.

A company with no checks and balances, and that doesn't listen to its 
customers, is going to have more than the

odd wonky moment.

Currently the 'great dictator' of my company (me) is listening to the 
Bulgarian Ministry of Education, the parents
of children who attend my language school, 3 trustworthy doctors, my 
assistant, and so on: as not sure when
to stop delivering online classes and restart in the physical school, or 
whether to provide a 'mixed service' with
both online and 'offline' classes (also known as logistical hell). 
Obviously if I don't listen AND act on what I hear

in a way that keeps the majority happy, I'm shafted.

All I can say, with a smile on my lips, is "Thank God" I only have 50 
kids to worry about.


Richmond.

On 10.01.21 0:34, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Me:

> I'm planning to get an M1 Mac this year

Naturally, right after I post this, Apple makes headlines (again) for 
doing something arbitrary and rather dim.


So an ethical and professional disclaimer:

I don't support self-contradictory and illogical policy,
any more than self-contradictory and illogical UI.

Shallow thinkers (and toddlers of all ages) focus mainly on external 
agreement. It requires some mental development to realize a need for 
intellectual consistency and indeed honesty.


I like the way this principle is clear in the realm of coding. If true 
is also false, logic falls apart. Every logical branch in a script 
evaluates to true or false. True and false must be reliable, not 
arbitrary and capricious. Otherwise code would be unpredictable.


(That's why people who rationalize have trouble writing good code: 
they are speaking a second language, and have trained themselves to 
imitate logic rather than following it! Mental habits matter.)


Apple's biz practices make it difficult to avoid finally replacing my 
2012 Mac, but as most people here probably know, I did not intend my 
statement as an endorsement. Glad Richmond can still work on the G5! :)


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Hmm: writing as a lazy slob, I'm not entirely sure if I have the energy
or the motivation to determine the length of 176 wav files.

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=35213

On 9.01.21 20:54, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,

Do you know how many seconds in length each clip is?

If so, you could tell it to start a second or two sooner
to help eliminate that pause you are experiencing.

Rick


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
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Well, Yes, sort of, but I still get an annoying gap between the clips: they 
should play sequentially without any pauses . . .

Best, and, while I'm here, wishing you a Happy New Year.

Richmond.

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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Erm . . . not sure about this, but the word 'concatenation' just bubbled
up in my brain.

But any concatenation would need to be done on the fly inwith LiveCode.

Having a seriously bonkers patch:

https://introcs.cs.princeton.edu/java/assignments/mozart.html

On 9.01.21 16:59, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 09.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

When I try to play a succession of audioClips they overlap each other.
Is there a way to ensure each clip does not start playing before the preceding 
one has finished?

do you mean this?
...
play ac "a_clip.wav"
wait until the sound is "done"
play ac "another_clip.aif"
...


Richmond Mathewson.

Best

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Re: Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well, Yes, sort of, but I still get an annoying gap between the clips: 
they should play sequentially without any pauses . . .


Best, and, while I'm here, wishing you a Happy New Year.

Richmond.

On 9.01.21 16:59, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 09.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode 
:

When I try to play a succession of audioClips they overlap each other.
Is there a way to ensure each clip does not start playing before the preceding 
one has finished?

do you mean this?
...
play ac "a_clip.wav"
wait until the sound is "done"
play ac "another_clip.aif"
...


Richmond Mathewson.

Best

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Audioclips overlapping

2021-01-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

When I try to play a succession of audioClips they overlap each other.

Is there a way to ensure each clip does not start playing before the 
preceding one has finished?


Richmond Mathewson.

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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

2021-01-08 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Your back stories made me fire up a G5 iMac I have here running macOS 10.5
and download the latest LiveCode to work on it . . . .

Love and lunacy, Richmond.

On 8.01.21 1:06, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Paul:

> we have several customer who have said
> they are upgrading to M1 laptops

Yes; important to support! I'm looking in that direction too. It'll be 
popular, plus it's what I can afford. Many people in the same boat.


(Backstory: Apple's biz model forces Apple to force us to spend on 
hardware. The mobile herd sticks with Apple, so the dev herd does too, 
so wallets must open and notes must rain down. But not satisfied yet 
with the rain from software tweaks, so now hardware tweaks too.)


I'm planning to get an M1 Mac this year, to get back on the bleeding 
edge for a while. It's time. My old Mac hardware is still perfectly 
good, it was well-built and has zero issues, but finally has been 
pushed into what will soon be an untenable corner by the combo of new 
OS to support and new chip to support. But the older Mac will continue 
to serve for testing and for transition dev if needed.


> a sense of when LC 9.6.2 STABLE may be out?

Could be roughly predicted, maybe, by looking at what they are working 
on. I actually agree with LC's anti release date policy; announcing 
firm dates is just begging for another issue to pop up. But since 
Apple's biz model places so much pressure on devs to keep up, a sense 
would be good. Especially since third-party addons and widgets also 
have to keep up with our ecosystem.


(Another backstory: Don't forget the stable/stable linguistic play; 
I've seen RCs here that were actually more "stable" than the final, 
because glitches, regressions, and extra bugs are sometimes - perhaps 
often - introduced in the very process of fixing bugs. Depending on a 
stable to be stable is a gamble, and depending on the specific 
features in an app, there are times when the RC is more reliable. 
Nevertheless I really hate to publish anything with an RC; only when 
forced to do so.)


BTW, Paul knows all of this very well. I'm just replying publicly in 
case the backstories will benefit other readers here in the process. :)


Best wishes,

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Re: play command and wav file

2020-12-19 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I'm not sure what you mean by 'binary data', but I set up a stack and 
imported a .wav file into it

which I named 'xxx.wav'. The stack contains a single button with the code:

on mouseUp
    play audioClip "xxx.wav"
end mouseUp

and it does exactly what I would expect it to do: plays the .wav file.

macOS 11.2 beta, Livecode 9.6.1

best, Richmond.

On 19.12.20 18:15, jbv via use-livecode wrote:

Hi list,
Is there a way to play a wav file that is already loaded
in memory as binary data ?
The doc only says that "play" takes a file name as parameter...

Thank you in advance.
jbv

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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I am not familiar at all.

But, having built an LC version for Linux it can then be tested on
a recent Linux distro.

On 16.12.20 2:14, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond wrote:
> Well . . . they could install a later version of Ubuntu (takes about
> 30-120 minutes) and build and test on that version.
>
> Surely not that arduous.

Exactly how sure are you?

What they need to do is more than what customers need to do.

How familiar are you with the LC build system in Edinburgh?

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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Well . . . they could install a later version of Ubuntu (takes about 
30-120 minutes) and build

and test on that version.

Surely not that arduous.

Best, Richmond.

On 15.12.20 19:38, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 12/15/20 3:48 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:


2. Stir up trouble.

Personally I think that LiveCode central are being a bit @#$%^&* 
claiming that LiveCode
is cross-platform and not saying they support more recent versions 
than Ubuntu 16.04 and so on.


And stirring up trouble means that I think they deserve a collective 
kick in the source-code for that.


I may be in the minority on my opinion on this, and judging from the 
feedback I expect from this post that may be an understatement, but...


I think the team is correct in this.
Support means more than "we think this works".

Since they currently build and test each released version on an older 
linux distro, they can't really claim to "support" later versions, 
even though we can empirically verify that there is essentially no 
difference when running LC on other/later linuxes. Claiming support 
would mean dedicating resources to changing the build process, 
verifying that the resulting build performed to spec on whatever linux 
version, and also on an ongoing basis dedicating support team 
resources to whatever issues may arise on the newly officially 
supported platforms.


And at present there's very little ROI for making these changes. Even 
the modifications that a few of us do contribute require redirecting 
company resources to verify (or not) before merging into the corpus of 
releasable code, and with the current worldwide situation I doubt 
there's a lot of free time to squeeze into redirection from actual 
revenue-producing streams.


Since Ubuntu's EOL date is coming up in the next few months, I expect 
that the build platform may change soon. But since I can compile from 
source here on linux mint 20 (Ubuntu based) (as long as I modify the 
gyp file as in my PR) I don't expect major hiccups nor any major 
expense in team resources from this migration.




3. As far as I can see (probably not very far), there is no 
difference in functionality between Xubuntu 16.04 and 20.10;


See above, but yes, I agree.




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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

I would pick a small fight here.

On 15.12.20 11:24, merakosp via use-livecode wrote:

Hello Sean,

Off the top of my head, the main Linux issues that are currently unresolved
are:

1. The player object is broken on all Linux distros. You might be able to
workaround this by using shell commands with mplayer.
I have a feeling that the player object is not broken as it NEVER worked 
properly on Linux in the first place.


2. The browser widget is broken in most Linux distros. It might work for
just displaying a webpage, but not for typing into input fields of the
webpage. I am not sure if there is a workaround for this.

3. Also, you might experience window layering problems with some Linux
window manager (e.g. Cinnamon).

Hope this helps,
Panos
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 10:42, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On 15 Dec 2020, at 02:52, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

As Mark Weider noted, the "official" support is merely a reflection of

their build system, and it relies on a version of Ubuntu still actively
getting security updates.

That doesn’t seem to be stated or inferred in the release notes. It’s
under the heading ‘Platform Support’ which infers, like ‘System
Requirements’ might, “This is what it will run on”. Indeed, under the
heading it states:


The engine supports a variety of operating systems and versions. This

section describes the platforms that we ensure the engine runs on without
issue (although in some cases with reduced functionality).


Then under Linux it states:


LiveCode supports the following Linux distributions, on 32-bit or

64-bit Intel/AMD or compatible processors:

Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04
Fedora 23 & 24
Debian 7 (Wheezy) and 8 (Jessie) [server] CentOS 7 [server]


Then lists the Core and ‘optional’ GUI feature requirements. None of this
states or infers that >=Ubuntu 18, >=Fedora 25, >=Debian 9 or >=CentOS 8.

So we are left assuming that these unlisted platforms/versions, much like
macOS 10.16, is “Unsupported”! Hence my initial question/request for
community knowledge/experience. I’m not seeking to stir up trouble (for a
change). I’m seeking understanding and wisdom. If LC is Not Supported on
later builds, what aspects do not function in your (plural, ie, everyones)
experiences.

Because LC write “This section describes the platforms that we ensure the
engine runs on without issue”, it would just be useful to know what issues
later builds experienced.

Thanks for the input though.

Sean




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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
1. I have never, ever experienced any problems at all with any versions 
of LiveCode on

any versions of Xubuntu that are more 'modern' than 16.04.

2. Stir up trouble.

Personally I think that LiveCode central are being a bit @#$%^&* 
claiming that LiveCode
is cross-platform and not saying they support more recent versions than 
Ubuntu 16.04 and so on.


And stirring up trouble means that I think they deserve a collective 
kick in the source-code for that.


3. As far as I can see (probably not very far), there is no difference 
in functionality between Xubuntu 16.04 and 20.10;
admittedly though I stopped using 16.04 about April 2017, so I may have 
forgotten something.


Richmond.

On 15.12.20 10:40, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Hence my initial question/request for community knowledge/experience. I’m not 
seeking to stir up trouble (for a change). I’m seeking understanding and 
wisdom. If LC is Not Supported on later builds, what aspects do not function in 
your (plural, ie, everyones) experiences.



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Re: CentOS Death in 2021

2020-12-14 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
"I wonder why LC don’t state support for later Ubuntu, Fedora or Debian 
builds?"


I suspect that LiveCode believes that the uptake of the Linux version is 
insufficient to justify the effort of testing LC on those platforms.


Richmond.

On 14.12.20 2:20, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks all. These insights are useful. Hery’s explanation of their choice to 
move to Debian provides a good argument. I had just tried Ubuntu 20.04 in a 
parallels virtual machine and my server app worked ok. I will try a Debian 
build too. I wonder why LC don’t state support for later Ubuntu, Fedora or 
Debian builds?

Sean Cole
Pi Digital


On 13 Dec 2020, at 19:27, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi Sean,

I've been using LiveCode on Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 for years (Servers and 
Desktops) and it worked fine.  A years ago we migrated everything to CentOS / 
RedHat and Fedora (development machines and servers).  However, we are going to 
migrate everything  to Debian.
Debian is very stable and offers the same user experience on Laptops, 
Workstations and Servers.

Ubuntu is a good system, but after the drift from CentOS with IBM I don't want 
to put the heart of our systems in the hands of any big company.
What would happen if tomorrow Ubuntu is acquired by Microsoft and they decide 
to charge money for it? That's not the case with Debian: Debian is completely 
independent and rock solid.

I live between Madrid and New York and in both cities there are good 
professional companies who offer commercial technical support for Debian, so 
you don't need any big and greedy corps getting their hands on your IT systems.

Best,
Hery





On 12/13/20 12:40 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
Hi all,

I just heard the news that RedHat is going to be dropping support for
CentOS. With my recent issues with PDF Printing in CentOS, I was already
looking to perhaps try out CentOS8 or another Dist. but now we have this
news I'm thinking of going to Ubuntu.

The release notes for LC says it supports Ubuntu 16.04, which is cool. But
I notice my server host says they have 16.04, 18.04, 20.04 and 20.10. Is
anyone out there running LC on one of these later builds of Ubuntu? I'd
like to hear your thoughts. Or maybe I should be looking at Fedora.

All the very best

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
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