Re: OT Friendly customers....

2021-01-28 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
forgive me that last post was supposed to be for Curry only.


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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 3:41 PM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> Dear Curry,
> What has happened in Washington was way beyond the definition of political.
> You are a vindictive, delusional, selfish person.
> I was trying to give you an off-ramp to your parade of lies, or at least
> apologize.
> Instead you repeated my off-list message to you on the use-list. Very low
> class.
> What was the purpose of that? What were you looking for,  people to back
> up your sorry ass?
> If you are Republican and still support Trump the traitor and his
> supporters, then I have zero respect for you.
> period.
>
> sqb
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>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:47 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen:
>>
>>  > Curry's gaslight and personal attack
>>
>> Sorry guy, not true. Simply holding your post up to logic.
>> You are political, so maybe you see politics everywhere.
>>
>> As I wrote to you offlist, in reply to your hateful and cursing rant:
>>
>> "Look again at my post. Notice the timeframe of the scams I mentioned.
>> Now become aware of the timeframe of the FBI stuff YOU are talking
>> about. Then apply logic. Or math. If you can!"
>>
>> It turns out that you are here promoting a particular brand of politics.
>> Or at least attacking what you perceive as a different brand.
>>
>> And ironically, you display outright hatred against a group of people!
>> Without being a bit bashful about it.
>> Nice, Stephen. Great follow-up to your previous gender-bashing, which
>> I'll be more than happy to link, if that's what you desire.
>>
>> I briefly mentioned lawfulness and spoke AGAINST politicizing
>> institutions as a way to reduce crime and scams, in the context of and
>> relevant to an already off-topic discussion. Too many scams, in turn
>> affecting customer service for software.
>>
>> I don't believe politics should be on this list, anymore than in law
>> enforcement. I was speaking AGAINST politics. You are still promoting
>> them. As we see here:
>>
>>  > tells me all I need to
>>  > know about which team Curry is cheering for.
>>
>> Offlist, you explained what you meant by "team" - you wrote:
>>
>>  > I am against TRUMP and his party and all they stand for.
>>  > If you are one of those people, then I can only surmise you
>>  > support the hate and racism and I have ZERO respect for you
>>  > or your smartass opinions.
>>  > Are you really the dude I had lunch with downtown Sebastopol?
>>
>> So again, if you are able to notice details, look at the time frames in
>> my post, and you may finally notice that your rant had no logical basis.
>>
>> Beyond that, it's very troubling - the only hate I see here is yours.
>> You used illogical means to place me into a group that you hate.
>> And then you acted upon and demonstrated that hate toward me.
>> It's not pretty.
>>
>> I hope you can grow beyond this tendency to hate! It's a real handicap.
>> You are obviously a person with a lot of potential. Ditch the hatred.
>> Logic and math are good friends. Trust them instead of prejudices.
>>
>> Whether it's gender, Trump, or whatever. Ease off the politics a bit!
>> Get back into LiveCode and logic. :)
>>
>> And BTW, I've never even been to Sebastopol. What is that about?
>>
>> Best way to respond to hate is with love:
>> I love you, Stephen. You have potential. Hope you get better.
>> Happy coding
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>>
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

2021-01-28 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Dear Curry,
What has happened in Washington was way beyond the definition of political.
You are a vindictive, delusional, selfish person.
I was trying to give you an off-ramp to your parade of lies, or at least
apologize.
Instead you repeated my off-list message to you on the use-list. Very low
class.
What was the purpose of that? What were you looking for,  people to back up
your sorry ass?
If you are Republican and still support Trump the traitor and his
supporters, then I have zero respect for you.
period.

sqb
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:47 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Stephen:
>
>  > Curry's gaslight and personal attack
>
> Sorry guy, not true. Simply holding your post up to logic.
> You are political, so maybe you see politics everywhere.
>
> As I wrote to you offlist, in reply to your hateful and cursing rant:
>
> "Look again at my post. Notice the timeframe of the scams I mentioned.
> Now become aware of the timeframe of the FBI stuff YOU are talking
> about. Then apply logic. Or math. If you can!"
>
> It turns out that you are here promoting a particular brand of politics.
> Or at least attacking what you perceive as a different brand.
>
> And ironically, you display outright hatred against a group of people!
> Without being a bit bashful about it.
> Nice, Stephen. Great follow-up to your previous gender-bashing, which
> I'll be more than happy to link, if that's what you desire.
>
> I briefly mentioned lawfulness and spoke AGAINST politicizing
> institutions as a way to reduce crime and scams, in the context of and
> relevant to an already off-topic discussion. Too many scams, in turn
> affecting customer service for software.
>
> I don't believe politics should be on this list, anymore than in law
> enforcement. I was speaking AGAINST politics. You are still promoting
> them. As we see here:
>
>  > tells me all I need to
>  > know about which team Curry is cheering for.
>
> Offlist, you explained what you meant by "team" - you wrote:
>
>  > I am against TRUMP and his party and all they stand for.
>  > If you are one of those people, then I can only surmise you
>  > support the hate and racism and I have ZERO respect for you
>  > or your smartass opinions.
>  > Are you really the dude I had lunch with downtown Sebastopol?
>
> So again, if you are able to notice details, look at the time frames in
> my post, and you may finally notice that your rant had no logical basis.
>
> Beyond that, it's very troubling - the only hate I see here is yours.
> You used illogical means to place me into a group that you hate.
> And then you acted upon and demonstrated that hate toward me.
> It's not pretty.
>
> I hope you can grow beyond this tendency to hate! It's a real handicap.
> You are obviously a person with a lot of potential. Ditch the hatred.
> Logic and math are good friends. Trust them instead of prejudices.
>
> Whether it's gender, Trump, or whatever. Ease off the politics a bit!
> Get back into LiveCode and logic. :)
>
> And BTW, I've never even been to Sebastopol. What is that about?
>
> Best way to respond to hate is with love:
> I love you, Stephen. You have potential. Hope you get better.
> Happy coding
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

2021-01-28 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
My last word. Curry's gaslight and personal attack tells me all I need to
know about which team Curry is cheering for.
I am defending my words - I said nothing wrong or inaccurate. I was trying
to calm down the temperature and Curry's response just made it worse.

Enough of this freaking cheese crap.
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:07 AM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> Curry,
>
> Putting down the FBI won’t help anything and makes me think you might be
> partial to the dark forces and fake news. We get enough of the hate through
> other sources and it is unwelcome here.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 09:36 Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Matthias:
>>
>>  > So in my case it was not scam but just a rude person.
>>
>> Plenty of those around. Including what comes around.
>>
>> Manipulative people usually follow 2 tactics.
>> Either buttering up for a favor, or being rude to apply pressure.
>> Sometimes both; they will abruptly switch if one fails.
>>
>> In which case I tend to grab either popcorn or a flamethrower.
>> Not a huge fan of manipulation.
>>
>> Doc hawk:
>>
>>  > asking about playing games like “hide the salami”
>>
>> Careful - from a sandwich point of view,
>> that could potentially imply the "c" word!
>>
>> Heather:
>>
>>  > Did somebody say cheese??
>>
>> Probably those damn portrait photographers again!
>> Truly evil people - no souls behind the fake smiles.
>>
>> (A little humor now and then is the best medicine.)
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>>  > you should not be surprised some people assume SCAM first
>>
>> My "unfavorites" were the "Windows tech support" and "Google listings"
>> phone call scams.
>>
>> Right now during 2020-2021 my breathing isn't good enough for phone
>> conversations anymore, and all calls go to voice mail.
>>
>> But in previous years those guys would call all the time. They weren't
>> following any rules/laws anyway, so you couldn't get off their list by
>> traditional methods.
>>
>> So I tried some unorthodox methods - pranking and wasting their time.
>>
>> I had one of the "Windows tech support" guys passionately defending
>> himself when I asked what his family back in India would think about him
>> becoming a criminal. Another couple of times, I played along with their
>> spiel, got transferred from the little crook to the big crook, and
>> wasted his time too for a while before scolding them and hanging up at
>> the crucial moment. They eventually gave up on me just as I was planning
>> some bigger pranks.
>>
>> (Our "FBI" is way too busy being a partisan political tool to handle any
>> real crime; no telling how many scams they've allowed to flourish that
>> it is their duty and job description to shut down and prevent.)
>>
>> But the "Google listings" people were unstoppable. They were operating
>> in more of a legal/moral gray area, and they must have been raking in
>> the $$$. Most persistent I've ever seen/heard. I suppose they are still
>> at it; I just haven't been able to answer the phone for ages.
>>
>> My "unfavorite" email scam is the one where your email account will be
>> closed unless you log in to verify it or approve the new security
>> measures, etc. A couple of variations on this theme looked very real.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>>
>> Custom Software Development
>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
>> LiveCode Training and Consulting
>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

2021-01-28 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Curry,

Putting down the FBI won’t help anything and makes me think you might be
partial to the dark forces and fake news. We get enough of the hate through
other sources and it is unwelcome here.


On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 09:36 Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Matthias:
>
>  > So in my case it was not scam but just a rude person.
>
> Plenty of those around. Including what comes around.
>
> Manipulative people usually follow 2 tactics.
> Either buttering up for a favor, or being rude to apply pressure.
> Sometimes both; they will abruptly switch if one fails.
>
> In which case I tend to grab either popcorn or a flamethrower.
> Not a huge fan of manipulation.
>
> Doc hawk:
>
>  > asking about playing games like “hide the salami”
>
> Careful - from a sandwich point of view,
> that could potentially imply the "c" word!
>
> Heather:
>
>  > Did somebody say cheese??
>
> Probably those damn portrait photographers again!
> Truly evil people - no souls behind the fake smiles.
>
> (A little humor now and then is the best medicine.)
>
> Paul:
>
>  > you should not be surprised some people assume SCAM first
>
> My "unfavorites" were the "Windows tech support" and "Google listings"
> phone call scams.
>
> Right now during 2020-2021 my breathing isn't good enough for phone
> conversations anymore, and all calls go to voice mail.
>
> But in previous years those guys would call all the time. They weren't
> following any rules/laws anyway, so you couldn't get off their list by
> traditional methods.
>
> So I tried some unorthodox methods - pranking and wasting their time.
>
> I had one of the "Windows tech support" guys passionately defending
> himself when I asked what his family back in India would think about him
> becoming a criminal. Another couple of times, I played along with their
> spiel, got transferred from the little crook to the big crook, and
> wasted his time too for a while before scolding them and hanging up at
> the crucial moment. They eventually gave up on me just as I was planning
> some bigger pranks.
>
> (Our "FBI" is way too busy being a partisan political tool to handle any
> real crime; no telling how many scams they've allowed to flourish that
> it is their duty and job description to shut down and prevent.)
>
> But the "Google listings" people were unstoppable. They were operating
> in more of a legal/moral gray area, and they must have been raking in
> the $$$. Most persistent I've ever seen/heard. I suppose they are still
> at it; I just haven't been able to answer the phone for ages.
>
> My "unfavorite" email scam is the one where your email account will be
> closed unless you log in to verify it or approve the new security
> measures, etc. A couple of variations on this theme looked very real.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
> Custom Software Development
> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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Re: Need to track click on a MacStatusMenu without menu items

2020-11-02 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
That is absolutely the proper metaphor. We just want to make good pasta, we
don’t want to deal with other languages. It’s enough of an alphabet soup
with web stuff.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 06:41 Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Can I just add, that “fresh pasta” comment made my day :)
>
> Thank you
>
> > On Nov 2, 2020, at 12:03 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Monte,
> >
> > thanks for responding and assuming that it might be possible with
> adjustments to the source code.
> >
> > Regarding Livecode Builder, i am afraid i am a hopeless case. ;)
> > Tried so many times to follow the widget course and other resources, but
> it seems i will never understand that stuff completely. I was even able to
> adjust  the source code of the clock widget to disable the day/night color
> switch.  But as soon as ObjectC is involved i am lost.
> >
> > Anyway, one doesn't have to be able to do everything.
> > Hey, i am very good in making fresh pasta. Okay that doesn't help me
> here. ;)
> >
> >
> > All the best,
> > Matthias
> >
> > -
> > Matthias Rebbe
> > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> >
> >> Am 02.11.2020 um 10:07 schrieb Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Hi Matthias
> >>
> >> It would be possible to add to the library I think. Should just be a
> matter of setting an action which posts a callback on the button of the
> NSStatusItem. If you want to have a play the library is open source ;-)
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Monte
> >>
> >>> On 2 Nov 2020, at 4:09 am, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> i am currently working on a Mac OS app which makes use of the
> MacStatusMenu Library.
> >>> Now i need a way to track a click on a Mac Status Menu icon which does
> not have any menu items.
> >>>
> >>> Is this somehow possible?
> >>>
> >>> Currently i am only able to track the click of a menu item of a Mac
> Status Menu.
> >>> But if no menu item is set and i click directly on the status menu
> icon, i do not get anything back.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
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> >>>
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Re: Plotting Equations that Bifurcate

2020-10-30 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Bob, that one gets a “LIKE”.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:28 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Last time I plotted an equation while bifurcating, I was pretty drunk, and
> don't remember much.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2020, at 15:03 , Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to plot an equation that bifurcates by setting the points of
> a polygon as I iterate the equation. But I can’t figure how to handle the
> bifurcation. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Roger
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Re: SSL cPanel mySql setup

2020-10-17 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Dreamhost never did install LC ... but several of us have made it work.
Just get the right server executable and permissions.
I could never get it work account wide but it rocked for individual web
site installation.
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> Neville,
> Can't you install LC Server on your own on your Dreamhost account. I
> remember there were others on the list or in the forum who were successful
> with installing LC Server on their Dreamhost account.
>
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>
> > Am 18.10.2020 um 01:32 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Thanks to this thread for the realisation my remote db connections are
> not secure. I just checked with Dreamhost and they gave their reasons for
> not use SSL with their mySQL setup — unacceptable burden on their server
> and undesirable for web app access; so in their opinion very few shared
> host environments would enable SSL for mySQL.
> >
> > So I need some middleware. LC Server would have been ideal, but
> Dreamhost no longer install it ;-(. I particularly could have used LC
> Server to drive mailman distribution list subscription/unsubscription tasks
> from the database for which I do not have a good solution at the moment.
> >
> > Neville
> >
> >
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Hi Jim,
5g via a home modem is supposed to save those of us without telephone poles
or conduits to the home.
some day.
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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:36 AM Jim At Consensus via use-livecode <
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> Lest anyone think this is a rural issue.
>
> I live in a major metropolitan city in the US. (Seattle, Wa) And am still
> on DSL and can’t get cable or fiber to my house without paying to have
> poles placed and or conduit run underground... very expensive. Our DSL is
> over copper lines from 1936 whose insulation (lead) has been riddled with
> holes.
>
> When it rains, we have no internet and usually no phone. To get Apple
> updates, I either lose a day or go someplace with a reliable hispeed
> connecton.
>
> Sent from Jim's iPhone XR
> Please excuse brevity, typos and errors
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > This would be a saver alternative
> > https://blog.kulman.sk/faster-way-to-download-and-install-xcode/ <
> https://blog.kulman.sk/faster-way-to-download-and-install-xcode/>
> >
> > It uses Aria2
> > https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/aria2 <
> https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/aria2>
> > and a ruby script
> > https://gist.github.com/iandundas/fabe07455e5216442a421922361f698c <
> https://gist.github.com/iandundas/fabe07455e5216442a421922361f698c>
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
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> >
> >> Am 03.10.2020 um 17:39 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >>
> >>> On 10/3/20 8:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> I wonder:
> >>>
> https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/
> <
> https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/>
>
> >>
> >> Looks interesting, but I'd be wary of anything that does
> >> install.sh | bash
> >> without checking the source first
> >>
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Hey everyone. Chopping up a gigantic file into little bits to be zipped
then uploaded is nuts. Chopped nuts!

 The A in ADSL means ASYMETRICAL - which means uneven- upload speed and is
a fraction of the download speed.
  It would take a long time with most POTS internets to upload gigabyte
files.

What I do with files that are too big to upload is to put it on an
inexpensive SDHC chip and send it in  regular mail.

I do this all the time with video files.

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> On 10/3/20 8:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > I wonder:
>
> >
>
> >
> https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/
>
>
>
> Looks interesting, but I'd be wary of anything that does
>
> install.sh | bash
>
> without checking the source first
>
>
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

2020-10-03 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Hi Graham,
This sounds quite futile for you on such an imperfect connection, and an
unfair situation created by Apple. I guess they expect all developers to
have fiber-to-the-home or live in glass corporate towers with <2 megabit
connections. Such code bloat surely could be reduced greatly by refactoring
by their wonderful code scientists, but I guess that's not efficient. I'll
bet that over 60% of that block is absolute bloat but that's the world
they've dealt us.

ADSL is an especially imperfect,  ancient tech using analog phone lines to
carry digital signals and very susceptible to interference and bad weather.
I struggled with it for years at my place in Sebastopol, even a connection
with two lines until I switched to a cable based system.
 It's all about the distance to the cabinet and then from there to the
central office. The local cabinet (which could be on a pole) could be
connected to a fiber optic line but if the POTS (plain old telephone
service) wires are old and stressed can be the culprit. And even the wires
from the cabinet to your house may not be a continuous run. There might be
branches of line that dead-ends that used to connect to someone else's
house.  A call to your telephone provider might make a big difference when
you tell them your problem - it may not be the internet provider's issue.

 Sometimes the telephone connection at your house itself could be the
reason why the speed varies so much. Moisture and humidity can contribute
to bad terminations - look for "green copper" at the screw terminals - a
sure sign of contamination and resistance. They are trying to send analog
signals at near radio frequencies and that's very critical.

Finally, telephone companies around the world are replacing old copper
lines with fiber optic lines all the way to the home. The price of copper
these days has made the old wire a resource and makes it possible for the
telephone providers to run fibre everywhere more economical and possible
due to the salvage of the previous copper wires - fiber lines are cheaper
per foot vs bandwidth and carry TV signals too. The bandwidth needed to be
a developer today isn't going to get any less and rural customers are going
to need this bandwidth as much as urban ones in the near future.

for now,
Is it possible for you to take a laptop to another town, perhaps a
cyber-cafe with a suitable connection? If the time it takes to download
longer than it takes to drive there, would that make sense?
Or perhaps a friend that is also a developer elsewhere in France that would
be kind enough to drop it on to a USB stick or drive you could send him?
Certainly there must be a fellow Live-coder in your country that could do
this?

Or am I being naive?

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 1:12 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I
> find from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance
> of generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I
> would get a meaningful answer:
>
> I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection -
> although I have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files
> are hard to download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB
> file - at a speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the
> download speed drops below some unspecified limit, the download stops and
> has to be resumed in Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the
> download overnight, having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the
> download folder in the morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a
> complete reload! There isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about,
> and is there any way I can simply accumulate the download bit by bit until
> it's all finished?
>
> If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some
> hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: Looking for LiveCode developer in Norway, Stavanger area

2020-09-02 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Wow. Looking forward to the success story.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 23:48 Ivar Andreassen via use-livecode <
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> A mature startup is looking for programmers that have from "little" to
>
> professional experience with LiveCode in Norway, and in "south Rogaland"
>
> "Stavanger Sandnes region". The reason for being so specific on location is
>
> that we want you physically present in our team meetings.
>
>
>
> We are developing a new exciting music service, and need several people
>
> onboard. Right now we are specifically looking for LiveCode developers to
>
> work on apps and back end solutions.
>
>
>
> Send an e-mail to ivar.andreas...@gmail.com, or reach out to me on
> Linkedin
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivarandreassen/
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>
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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

2020-08-25 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Sean Cole

Still no apologies.
Hey, you are starting to disrespect my friends and I’m not digging it. They
have done nothing other than bend over backwards to try to help and your
bad attitude and rudeness is crossing the line.

Remember the main rule here, no politics, religion or cheese and you,
buddy, have gone full limburger.

Chill, dude.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 17:51 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Reminds me of HTML. All platform consistency in display… until Microsoft
> and Netscape decided to do it “better”. It begs the question, is it better
> to be consistent with everyone else’s standards, or better to be… well…
> better?
>
>
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, we all remember the TrueType rollout, and the promise of a
> single-file, cross-platform font definition.
>
>
>
> But for that format to provide pixel-perfect matched rendering requires
> all renderer implementers to use the same code.  And as you know, they
> don't.
>
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-07 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I thought "web apps" were going to level the playing field, and they could
be made to look just like iPhone apps on an iPhone, one just rigs the css
and graphics.  How did that work out?   I do love Livecode
serverbrilliant.

(full disclosure,  I hate using phones for stuff I can do on a desktop, a
big reason why I gave up development except for desktop apps I make to
support my other activities )

( I make video too, and will not do 'portrait' mode under any circumstances
)

(I'm watching Lewis Black as I type this, pardon my tone)
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:27 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Not sure the question is relevant.  You chose to buy the iHouse over the
> droidHouse for some reason.  Maybe you wanted to live in the neighborhood
> with the lowest crime rate.
>
> Also, until Apple is forced to allow other companies to make compatible
> phones, I don’t see how the logic works.  Google doesn’t make the only
> Android phone.
>
> When I read Apple’s guidelines I don’t see anything about price parity.
> You can’t point out that it is cheaper elsewhere, but are you required to
> charge the same?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 7, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> >> Even with 58% of the US smartphone market Apple does not actually have a
> > monopoly.
> >> Now there may be plenty of good reasons to object to Apple’s app store
> > policies but let’s not misuse the term monopoly.
> >
> > There is another way to approach this. Apple has the monopoly of the iOS
> > market, they can dictate and abuse their authority in that market and
> there
> > is nothing iOS users can do about that. There is no other app store to
> buy
> > apps from. Now contrast that with Android. Google doesn't have the
> monopoly
> > on Android. You have other app stores besides Google Play, other device
> > makers, and as a developer you can ship apps on your own and on all or
> any
> > of the stores.
> >
> > If you allow me an analogy, imagine that you bought an iHouse, it is a
> > pleasant house, very elegant. Still, all the furniture, all the food,
> > everything you might ever want to put inside your iHouse needs to come
> from
> > Apple Store. Is that still your house? Does Apple have a monopoly?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 18:20, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> "A monopoly refers to when a company and its product offerings dominate
> a
> >> sector or industry. Monopolies can be considered an extreme result of
> >> free-market capitalism <
> >> https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/freemarket.asp> in that absent any
> >> restriction or restraints, a single company or group becomes large
> enough
> >> to own all or nearly all of the market (goods, supplies, commodities,
> >> infrastructure, and assets) for a particular type of product or service.
> >> The term monopoly is often used to describe an entity that has total or
> >> near-total control of a market.”
> >> https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/monopoly.asp
> >>
> >> Even with 58% of the US smartphone market Apple does not actually have a
> >> monopoly.
> >> Now there may be plenty of good reasons to object to Apple’s app store
> >> policies but let’s not misuse the term monopoly.
> >>
> >> Jim Lambert
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-07 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
And Apple knows it.
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 9:08 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> My primary reason is that my clients always want their mobile app released
> for both platforms.
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> On August 7, 2020 6:34:45 AM Andre Garzia via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Antti,
> >
> > Android has 85% of the world market, it all depends on which country
> you're
> > selling and which metrics you're using. In the U.S. iOS has 58% of the
> > smartphone market and 63% of the tablet market. Another important factor
> is
> > that iOS users spend more money on apps than their Android peers. So for
> > those selling mobile apps whose primary market is the U.S. it makes sense
> > to ship to iOS.
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 08:50, Antti Ilola via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If Apple is so horrible, why do you do software to them and I think that
> >> Apple has no monopoly, since Android shares 85% of the phone market.
> >>
> >> Antti
> >>
> >> to 6. elok. 2020 klo 22.23 JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode (
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com) kirjoitti:
> >>
> >> > Wow, that's heavy Jacque.
> >> > I'm not at all against Apple products, although it may seem like it
> >> > sometimes. I'm against how they work, making it more and more
> difficult.
> >> > I'm for a safe store too. But this is grabbing money from wherever
> they
> >> > can.
> >> >
> >> > Op do 6 aug. 2020 om 20:53 schreef J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >> >
> >> > > I've been working on mobile apps for a non-profit publishing house.
> >> Their
> >> > > customers are large
> >> > > organizations that buy products in bulk and then resell to their own
> >> > > customers. Thus, the app
> >> > > does not sell to users at all, nor does our client.
> >> > >
> >> > > I made a minor mistake in one of my progress spinners; the
> >> > > briefly-displayed prompt (less than
> >> > > 1 second) said "Checking your purchases..." and Apple glommed onto
> that
> >> > > and wouldn't let go. My
> >> > > client and I spent 3 weeks and innumerable emails to Apple to
> convince
> >> > > them that users were not
> >> > > purchasing any products from the company who sponsored the software,
> >> nor
> >> > > could they buy
> >> > > products from any web site related to the company. We had to answer
> two
> >> > > different
> >> > > purchasing-related questionaires in great detail. They finally
> relented
> >> > > when we convinced them;
> >> > > I changed the prompt to "Checking your library..." and it didn't
> hurt
> >> > that
> >> > > we got a different
> >> > > reviewer.
> >> > >
> >> > > Google, who has some similar but less-stringent rules in the Play
> >> Store,
> >> > > accepted the app the
> >> > > first time without any objections.
> >> > >
> >> > > Word to the wise: if your app doesn't deal with sales, even
> indirectly,
> >> > > don't use money-related
> >> > > words anywhere. I hope the EU nails them; I consider App Store
> policies
> >> > > equivalent to
> >> > > extortion. Apple holds the majority of mobile users in the U.S. and
> the
> >> > > App Store is the only
> >> > > available outlet for apps. That sounds like a monopoly to me.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 8/6/20 11:46 AM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:
> >> > > > Hmpff i just read in the news that even Microsoft can't bring out
> an
> >> > > xcloud
> >> > > > application due to the apple store rules. What a mess. Only
> Android
> >> > users
> >> > > > will be able to stream games as mentioned on dutch tweakers.net
> >> > > website. I
> >> > > > think it's going to cost MS to much money to pay Apple ifvthey
> would
> >> > > bring
> >> > > > out the app on Apple's store.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Op wo 5 aug. 2020 02:10 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> >> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> JeeJeeStudio wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>   > 1 positive thing then on a thing we don't have in LC and now
> >> also
> >> > is
> >> > > >>   > removed...the possibility to put ads in your LC created
> mobile
> >> > > app...
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> "Possible" is a big word. It covers nearly everything.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's possible to use LC Build to support ad network APIs.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's also possible to find saner ad networks that offer REST
> APIs in
> >> > > >> addition to binary, so devs don't need to commit as much
> development
> >> > > >> time for one vendor.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's possible but less likely that an app not worth monetizing
> >> through
> >> > > >> freemiums, direct payment, or other model will earn enough to
> bring
> >> a
> >> > > >> positive ROI for the effort of implementing ads.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's less likely that you'll be able to shoe-horn 

Re: Tab Buttons Mac vs. Win

2020-07-18 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I am  off topic and off center.

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> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>  > If in 1975 I hadn't gotten pissed off at the Grateful Dead and
>  > taken off to LA...
>
> Probably too off-topic for this list, but that sounds like a story worth
> hearing.  Perhaps over a beer after the madness ends and travel resumes...
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Re: Tab Buttons Mac vs. Win

2020-07-18 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I had become aware of and long appreciated Tog, even in 1983 when I had a
job at Datamost, and the first mac on my desktop. The single floppy and the
horrible printer got in the way and I didn't again consider the machine for
my hardware control development work over the Apple ][ until 1987 when I
got A Studios connected to the developer program (thanks to fellow
Datamost employee Craig Keithley).  It was in that first box that the Mac
SE (with a 20mb hard drive) that I went looking for the included "card".
What card? Where is it?
Oh, it's *Hypercard*!

 It changed my life of course and that of A Studios too.
After that I could fully understand and utilize Tog's vision and its Xerox
roots embedded in this wonderful tool as I built a dedicated control system
for A tape copy .

I think Tognazzini was written about in that first Mac User issue that
featured members of the original design team.  Keithley was a friend of
Steve Jobs and Woz in the Apple ][ garage days, could have been employee #4
but he was very young and he and his parents moved to LA.  He was
"slightly" unhappy about that. He eventually got a job at 1 Infinite Loop.
I'm sure Mike Markkula (Johnny Appleseed) knew of him too.

If in 1975 I hadn't gotten pissed off at the Grateful Dead and taken off to
LA, I very likely would have ended up at that Homebrew Computer Club
because I was seeking information about these microprocessor thingies.
In life, there are many forks in the road.
Brushes with greatness. I am truly fortunate.

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> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>  > I would LOVE to find out how Livecode for Mac draws those beautiful
>  > tab buttons so I can duplicate it on Windows, because DAYAM are the
>  > Windows ones ugly!
>
> Around the turn of the century I wrote to Bruce Tognazzini, back when he
> was still taking email questions.
>
> I asked him about the proper placement of confirmation and dismissal
> buttons (often "OK" and "Cancel") in cross-platform apps.  I was
> familiar with his early research on how the Mac layout (confirmation on
> the right) matched eye tracking studies on scanning order, and thus was
> a better solution.  On Windows reading order is used (confirmation on
> the left), which might seem better but not in UIs; dialog boxes just
> aren't read as much as skimmed, so rather than taking in each line
> individually as we do when we read, most folks more or less just scan
> from upper-left to lower-right, where on Mac the action button awaits.
>
> So I asked Tog:
>
> "Given that the Mac way is borne out by research, wouldn't it be better
> to use to Mac way in my Windows apps as well?"
>
> He was kind enough in his reply, acknowledging that at least my heart
> was in the right place with wanting to "do the right thing" by the user.
> But he was also blunt: I had missed something even more important than
> research.  I had overlooked the significance of user habits.
>
> When a user spends years with an OS design, they build up a cognitive
> and muscle memory, so strong that even when research shows an advantage
> to a different means, the consistency winds up outweighing it.
>
> In short, he suggested I do Windows things on Windows, and leave Mac
> things on Mac.
>
> Who am I to argue with Tog?
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Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.

2020-07-17 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
*Esnipe* is an independently developed web app that is using the ebay api,
and the interesting part is that *it's allegedly using livecode and/or
livecode server!   * I use it all the time! I'm usually able to get almost
anything I want from ebay.
I don't ever worry before the timer runs out. If it's above my own
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> On 7/17/20 2:40 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:
> > I hadn’t heard of ‘campaign snipers’ but it sounded like a thing
>
> I suspect it was a pun or a reference to eBay sniping. That's when bidders
> wait until the very
> last second of an auction and then swoop in with a higher price in order
> to get the item
> without allowing the bidding to go up any higher. There are third-party
> eBay apps that will
> snipe for you automatically in order to submit the highest price at the
> last nanosecond.
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Re: fixed textheight affects scrolling?

2020-07-11 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Girls! Time to take this spat off list, please. I don’t want to see this.

Remember the admonition about politics religion and cheese?

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 03:03 Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> To all,
>
> sorry for this, I should have kept if off-list and I apologize, but this
> is my last mail in this respect!
>
>
> @Curry,
>
> > Am 11.07.2020 um 00:04 schrieb Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Klaus:
> > >...
> > > any news about "FieldTrip"? This is not funny anymore.
> > > I turned 64 last month and I would really like to get
> > > something for my money before I die!
> > Klaus, let me say that your "National Socialist" approach
>
> No idea what that may be, but it is surely not nice.
> I do my best, but in the end I am not a native english speaker.
>
> > to harassing me, every single chance you get, is also not funny anymore!
>
> I dared to ask about 3 (THREE) times in the last seven years, not at every
> single chance I got.
> The first time I did, you even made fun of me, also not very kind.
>
> > Nor is giving people the FALSE and fake impression that you did not get
> a product for your money.
>
> I got a one BETA and no update since 2013.
>
> > I resent that slur, along with your continued harassment and
> mean-spirited, inaccurate disinformation campaign. It is as fundamentally
> flawed as your field test code. Maybe a pattern?
>
> Oh my, that is very close to the wind and a cheap tit-for-tat response!
>
> > FT was delivered.
>
> > You got the LC 6 product you paid for.
>
> One BETA was delivered!
> I bought it at a time where I did not have much money, but wanted to
> support everything related to LC
> so I am not very happy that no final version has been delivered since.
>
> I personally don't find it OK to sell software, take the customers money
> and deliver one beta version of that software in years.
> But you do.
>
> > LC pulled out the rug shortly after; LC 7 stopped working with some
> existing code, and not the other way around. Technically 7 was supposed to
> work with the existing code, and the team was working through BC issues,
> but ah well. My flagship products were more fortunate (with a lot of help
> from myself in testing and reporting issues) but LC 7 was released before
> that could happen for FT.
>
> Interesting, so it is LCs fault in the end.
> If I only had known this before!
>
> > Since then, WordLib and WordReport have remained higher priorities. FT
> will be revived and updated; looking forward to it very much. But that will
> be AFTER the other flagship addons are updated. Not before. Harassment
> won't change that. Nor will falsehoods or bad behavior.
> > (Hint: currently WordReport is first in line!)
> >
> > I cleared up your little scrolling field mystery for you, and in return,
> this is how you act?! Now, let's see how logical you can be, Klaus. Take a
> good look at the length of this message. I'm keeping it as short as
> possible, but obviously it still takes some time to carefully answer your
> careless slur.
> >
> > That does NOT speed up anything, including FT. But it does waste
> valuable time and slow things down. It's not furthering the outcome you
> seek. It also destroys goodwill and friendship, and it spreads falsehood.
> On top of that I'm handicapped and I don't have free time to waste. All bad
> results of these little slurs about FT and myself.
>
> Please, let's dial it back a notch!
> You don't want to make me responsible for all of your personal problems
> and even your handicap, do you?
>
> > I would appreciate polite inquiries, or reminders, but this is way out
> of line. Every time I post here, you do this.
>
> Not true, see above...
>
> > You keep calling for my attention, and you got it.
> > So, here's what I'll do. If you keep up this "National Socialist" style
> of harassment, I'll just pay a little more attention to your posts and
> correct more of the inaccurate statements that you make about LC code and
> technologies. I will also refer back to this post to save time, so that my
> corrections are as efficient as your falsehoods.
> > I've had to make "Klaus corrections" about other LC matters (regular LC
> how-to and facts/tips, not about FT) on a regular basis over the years,
> usually very quietly off-list!
>
> And another laughable, untenable and very cheap tit-for-tat response!
>
> > But I'll be happy to make more public corrections, more often, if
> needed. Or if you lay off the harassment, then as a natural result (math,
> time) everything will happen a little faster, including FT. The choice is
> yours.
>
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Curry Kenworthy
>
> I find your response rather "Mimimi" and highly exaggerated in many parts
> and I really start to feel sorry for you.
> But don't worry, I will not bother you again.
>
>
> Klaus
>
> --
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> kl...@major-k.de
>
>
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

2020-07-08 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I prefer video, but I feel demonstrations should have some production value
other that just a screen share.
Indicators, motion graphics, etc and not just a guy and his desktop.  And
EDITING!!!
I'm a Final Cut Pro video guy these days and have ALL the groovy plugins
so I'm not being fair I guess.

iMovie is far better these days that it used to be, but strangely very
difficult to upgrade an iMovie package to Final Cut, once one is there.
Roadblocks everywhere. Typical Apple %$#%#%#$%#$.

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> Hi André,
>
> I previously always favored printed books.
>
> But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with
> copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
> As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of
> direct engagement with interactive media.”
>
> IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and
> temporal examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the
> instruction, even though it’s utterly mechanical.
>
> So, yeah, I like a combo.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Jim Lambert
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Re: LiveCode Zoom

2020-07-03 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Hi David,

I'm not sure there's a good reason to integrate Livecode into the  Zoom API
just for the sake of using Livecode to do it.I do like the idea of
using Zoom for discussions and demonstrations of Livecode technology. All
anyone needs to do is for the leader to have the lowest level subscription
to Zoom ($15US) which allows that person to host up to 100 participants.  I
noticed that our last (first?) Zoom online meeting with the mother ship
there weren't that many participants.  It also appears that access to their
API might not be for ordinary mortals (i.e. $$$).   What could we add to
Zoom that they don't already offer?

Easy to find the API info though 

https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM David Bovill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I’d like to host / take part in a weekly Zoom with other Livecoders. I
> started the Livecode TV thing ages ago now, and this time I think we can do
> something more interesting - but what?
>
> I take part in a couple of regular Zoom gatherings around open source
> projects for a few years now, and It seems a pity not to do it with
> LiveCode.
>
> I’m thinking of it as a regular drop in, and to integrate LiveCode into
> how the event works. Just not quite sure how. Thing out loud here :)
> On 3 Jul 2020, 16:48 +0100, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he
> > will find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web
> > page into our own servers.
> > We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
> > I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend
> > hosting pros & cons.
> >
> > There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is
> > not very popular.
> >
> > It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human
> > Resources website for their employees.
> > It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very
> > excited to do it using livecode.
> >
> > Thank you very much for those links.
> >
> > Hery
> >
> > On 7/3/20 8:51 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:
> > > I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites
> backend, you
> > > might be better off picking a modern frontend framework
> (bulma,react,vue
> > > etc) and showing examples of websites using it.
> > >
> > > As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
> > > managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files,
> html
> > > templates )
> > >
> > > https://getgrav.org/
> > >
> > > https://getkirby.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> > > > https://revigniter.com/
> > > >
> > > > "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter
> including the
> > > > presumably largest Hindu website 
> in
> > > > existence."
> > > > https://www.himalayanacademy.com/  >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Torsten
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > > > Dear LiveCode experts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with
> > > > LiveCode Server instead PHP. The client asks me what other popular
> sites
> > > > are created with LiveCode server.
> > > > > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very
> old:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> > > > > Do you know why?
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> > > > >
> > > > > Heriberto Torrado
> > > > > ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> > > > > ​Director de informática
> > > > > Directeur informatique
> > > > >
> > > > > *NetDreams S.C.*
> > > > > http://www.networkdreams.net
> > > > >
> > > > > Address / Dirección / Adresse:
> > > > >
> > > > > *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> > > > > *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid
> 28024
> > > > Spain / España
> > > > > *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> > > > >
> > > > > Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> > > > > Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> > > > >
> > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email / Por
> > > > favor considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir
> esta
> > > > página.
> > > > > Confidentiality: The information contained 

Re: No Replies (or anything)

2020-06-30 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
TESTING FOR BOB 1234


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> Hi all.
>
> I’m not getting anything on the use list.
>
> Bob S
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Re: Platform Divergence

2020-06-23 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Got really depressed watching the presentation.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:22 Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
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> We make and sell a desktop application (Windows and macOS) for a niche
> research market. I expect when Apple does their migration to a common
> processor and OS, Apple Developer's will have to go through all of Apple
> hoops for all their platforms.Most of our customer don't care about UI
> widget animations. They want the app to do certain functions and do them
> well and quickly to work with their data. As long as the UI is
> effective, whether it conforms precisely to Microsoft or Apple UI
> guidelines is secondary. So, even if you only care about desktops, your
> app will have to be sold through Apple's single App Store, conform to
> all screen sizes on all their devices, and follow all their UI
> guidelines, etc.
>
> At that point, given that Windows is 2/3rd of our market and macOS
> 1/3rd, we'll drop support for macOS sadly. I say sadly because our
> application originated way back in the late 1980 as a HyperCard App for
> MacOS.
>
> But, to your point, your concern IS valid for those people wanting Apps
> from you that they insist MUST conform to all of Apple's esoteric
> requirements. It is likely it will become increasingly harder for the
> LiveCode ideal of develop once and deploy everywhere.
>
>
> On 6/23/2020 2:56 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote:
> > This year’s WWDC shows Apple is moving to a unified ‘system' for all
> their products: Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AppleTV.
> > The Apple development environment promises to produce a single app
> capable of running on all, or almost all, of Apple devices. This
> unification promises to be quite convenient for Apple developers.
> >
> > In contrast, over the last decade or so there has been an ever
> increasing divergence in UX between major operating systems: Apple,
> Windows, Linux, Android. The days when systems were so similar that you
> could rely on the commonality of a handful of UI elements across platforms
> seems over to me. That’s troubling because such commonality is fundamental
> to LiveCode’s approach - write once, run everywhere.
> >
> > In watching WWDC sessions it’s pretty clear that even simple UI elements
> have become more like UX elements having intrinsic and complex properties,
> such as certain visual and behavioral animations. Users readily learn to
> expect these behaviors. Yet such things are increasing difficult to fake
> with LiveCode’s basic palette of objects.
> >
> > Enter LiveCode Builder and LC Widgets. They offer the promise of
> platform-specific UI elements - a promise fulfilled with some simple
> elements like iOS Native Button or Android Native Field. But I’m concerned
> that as platforms diverge in the interface experiences they present to
> users, that LC and LC developers will have difficulty satisfying users'
> divergent expectations.
> >
> > Is my concern valid?
> >
> > Jim Lambert
> >
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Re: Its very quiet

2020-03-30 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Plug in headblocks for 24, 16, and 8 tracks.
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:24 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 3/29/20 7:00 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> > I'm rebuilding a 1980s era Ampex MM1200 Recording Device. 24/16/8 track.
> > For archiving.
> > No Livecode content though, although I will eventually make a remote
> > control using LiveCode Community ...
>
> !!! I thought the MM1200s were only 16 track. Those things are huge.
> Great sounding though.
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Re: Its very quiet

2020-03-29 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I'm rebuilding a 1980s era Ampex MM1200 Recording Device. 24/16/8 track.
For archiving.
No Livecode content though, although I will eventually make a remote
control using LiveCode Community ...
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:36 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
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> Sorry to hear that, Curry. Rest up. Glad it hasn’t been too serious for
> you. We’ll try and keep the noise down for you.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi
>
>
> > On 29 Mar 2020, at 21:40, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Like many who have been sick between all the flu and corona going
> around, just working on getting well again. Managed to stay out of
> hospital, but not much energy. Quiet is good
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Re: Sorry - test

2020-02-15 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
No problem
Got it

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 13:01 Drs Mark Schonewille via use-livecode <
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> Problems with my IP and this list again. Testing.
>
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Re: No support for 24bit/96kHz audio file?

2020-01-23 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Mark,
My experience with the built in player in the past has been difficult and
it never served files greater than 16 bit up to 48k. In 2006 I reverse
engineered (hacked) the player object to EXPORT audio files and required a
lot of convoluted code to reassemble as a wav or aiff file, building the
binary jump table was a trip.  I gave up after that.

Has it ever really been improved? Player vs "Player control"  ?
It used to depend on Quicktime which is now doornail.

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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:45 AM Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I kind of never use the built-in sound player other than small short sound
> effects and often not even at then, as the build in player is so limited. I
> instead use the player control. It can play kind of every file. (96kHz/
> 24bit Flac among them). On top of that you can play several sounds at once,
> you can control the volume individually, you can keep the files external,
> etc.
>
> Would it be nice to have an overhaul of the built-in player? Yes, of
> course! Is it a big problem? For me it isn’t!
>
> :-Håkan
> On 23 Jan 2020, 03:00 +0100, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > No and my biggest gripe about live code right now.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 16:43 Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > aiff or wav?
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > i imprted some short audiofiles 24bit/96kHz but it seems LC does some
> > > kind of downsampling or changes the frequency.
> > >
> > > As it plays now very looow.
> > >
> > > Is the max 16bit/44.1kHz ?
> > >
> > > Any idea?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
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Re: No support for 24bit/96kHz audio file?

2020-01-22 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
No and my biggest gripe about live code right now.

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 16:43 Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> aiff or wav?
>
> Hi,
>
> i imprted some short audiofiles 24bit/96kHz but it seems LC does some
> kind of downsampling or changes the frequency.
>
> As it plays now very looow.
>
> Is the max 16bit/44.1kHz ?
>
> Any idea?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry
>
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that stupid notch

2019-11-16 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
My apologies to my LC friends here, as I am posting a platform-specific
issue that is not related to Livecode, but for some reason the 'notch' has
appeared in my menubar (High Sierra).

I have a two screen system but the 'notch' only appears on one screen.
This is the dumbest thing I've seen from Apple.
First of all it's useless
Second it's taking up space in my menu-bar

I can't find a thing about it on the interwebs - and I'm a pretty good
researcher.

So with heavy heart and bruised ego, I ask

have any of you see this?
does anyone know how to remove it?

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Re: Is there a command to display number of seconds as hrs:min:seconds?

2019-10-18 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
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On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 2:24 PM JB via use-livecode <
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> Here is a terminal example;
>
> on mouseUp
>   put shell( "date" ) into tData
>   answer question tData
> end mouseUp
>
> JB
>
> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let me throw my hat into the ring here...lolI wrote this function to
> > display time in a specific format
> >
> > function TimeDisplay HowManySeconds
> >   local final_output = " days ::"
> >
> >   local running_second_count
> >   local next_calculation
> >
> >   set itemdelimiter to "."  -- we are looking at boths sides of the
> > decimal place
> >
> >   // 86,400 seconds in an day
> >   // 3600 in an hour
> >   // 60 seonds in a minute
> >   // replace counts as you go
> >
> >   -- days
> >
> >   put HowManySeconds / 86400 into next_calculation
> >
> >   if next_calculation < 1 then
> >  put HowManySeconds into running_second_count
> >  replace "" with "0" in final_output
> >   else
> >  // how many days?
> >  replace "" with  item 1 of next_calculation in final_output
> >  put (HowManySeconds) - (item 1 of next_calculation * 86400) into
> > running_second_count
> >   end if
> >
> >   -- hours
> >
> >   put running_second_count / 3600 into next_calculation
> >
> >   if next_calculation < 1 then
> >  replace "" with "00" in final_output
> >   else
> >  // how many hours?
> >  if the number of characters in item 1 of next_calculation = 1 then
> > replace "" with "0" & item 1 of next_calculation in
> > final_output
> >  else
> > replace "" with item 1 of next_calculation in final_output
> >  end if
> >
> >  put (running_second_count) - (item 1 of next_calculation * 3600)
> into
> > running_second_count
> >   end if
> >
> >
> >   -- minutes
> >
> >   put running_second_count / 60 into next_calculation
> >
> >   if next_calculation < 1 then
> >  replace "" with "00" in final_output
> >   else
> >  // how many minutes?
> >  if the number of characters in item 1 of next_calculation = 1 then
> > replace "" with "0" & item 1 of next_calculation in
> > final_output
> >  else
> > replace "" with item 1 of next_calculation in final_output
> >  end if
> >
> >  put (running_second_count) - (item 1 of next_calculation * 60) into
> > running_second_count
> >
> >   end if
> >
> >   -- seconds
> >
> >   put running_second_count into next_calculation
> >
> >  if next_calculation < 1 then
> >  replace "" with "00" in final_output
> >   else
> >  // how many minutes?
> >  if the number of characters in item 1 of next_calculation = 1 then
> > replace "" with "0" & next_calculation in final_output
> >  else
> > replace "" with next_calculation in final_output
> >  end if
> >   end if
> >
> >   return final_output
> > end TimeDisplay
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:55 AM Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would +1 a deltaTime format, but we might not agree on hours over 24
> and
> >> fractions of a second.
> >>
> >>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 10:25 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All great suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> I mostly wanted to see if there already was such a function - which
> >> there obviously isn’t.
> >>>
> >>> But it is great to see several easy ways to built your own.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks all.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Vlahos
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Oct 17, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  The problem with one-liners is that the genius is implicit, not
> >> explicit. ;-)
> 
>  Bob S
> 
> 
> > On Oct 17, 2019, at 08:44 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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> > Show-off. :-)
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Re: set the textColor

2019-08-19 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
We missed you, Richmond

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:12 Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Neither with "floozy programming languages, nor with plain, simple
> floozies. ;-)
>
> Let's just say I was a bit sleepy after 3 weeks holiday away from
> LiveCode: just
> about as cheap as excuses go, but cannot right now think of a better one.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 19.08.19 17:45, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:
> > Have you had a dalliance with a floozy programming language that allows
> you to do such things?
> >
> >> On Aug 17, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A long time since I studied Logic. :-[
> >>
> >> Richmond.
> >>
> >> On 17.08.19 23:00, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> And what would you expect the value of the parenthetical expression to
> be?
> >>>
>  On Aug 17, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  setthetextColorof(line XOUNT offld "fPROC") to"red"
> 
>  Disnae wark . . .
> 
>  Erm?
> 
>  Richmond.
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Re: [OT] Weighted distribution of Numbers

2019-08-06 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
By ear

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 07:51 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> You mean to say relative math is easy?
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Aug 5, 2019, at 14:57 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is the kind of math I use every day, without knowing what I’m doing.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 09:21 Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/5/19 9:00 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> have to weight the measured values to determine the maximum (and the Q
> >>> as desired).
> >>
> >> Urk. Now it's my turn to have misspoken.
> >> The maximum is easy to measure.
> >> But looking at the clustering of values to determine the Q of the
> >> bandpass filter requires a different calculation.
> >>
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Re: [OT] Weighted distribution of Numbers

2019-08-05 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
This is the kind of math I use every day, without knowing what I’m doing.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 09:21 Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 8/5/19 9:00 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> > have to weight the measured values to determine the maximum (and the Q
> > as desired).
>
> Urk. Now it's my turn to have misspoken.
> The maximum is easy to measure.
> But looking at the clustering of values to determine the Q of the
> bandpass filter requires a different calculation.
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Re: Rocky islands

2019-07-21 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
CRAP. Be Afraid. Be very very Afraid.

I just went through hours of hell trying to get my desktop and documents
back together after trying to NOT use iCloud. Good thing I backed up
everything, but still had to reinstall the system.

And I haven't had the courage to go beyond High Sierra.

My 2010 power probably can't run  ... what's the name again? Catalina.

at least it's a cat.

har har.

Now on to try and find a replacement for Siri.
she only gets way in the way these days.. It's all or nothing at all and
I'm tired of yelling at my phone.
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 2:31 PM Richmond via use-livecode <
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> "macOS Catalina gives you more of everything you love about
> Mac. Experience music, TV, and podcasts in three all-new Mac apps. Enjoy
> your favorite iPad apps now on your Mac. Extend your workspace and
> expand your creativity with iPad and Apple Pencil. And discover smart
> new features in the apps you use every day. Now you can take everything
> you do above and beyond."
>
> Wow: I can translate that into far, far easier language:
>
> macOS Catalina gives you more of a plastic bathtoy; an extended
> gramophone player, TV, fancy telephone and pornogram, and less of what I
> was brought up to believe a computer really should be.
>
> Mind you, the "mene, mene, tekel, up-yours!" was there for all to see
> when Steve Jobs killed off Hypercard.
>
> "Enjoy" . . . Cor! John Calvin was right.
>
> Love, Richmond.
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Re: Best Temp Pass Autoresponder?

2019-07-16 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
One has to look in ALL MAIL... this has messed with me every time I try to
do something 'abnormal' with email.
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 6:41 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
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> Hi Alex,
>
> Everything is fine now.  It turned out that
> my google email account was filtering out
> the emails I was sending to myself.
> To test the theory, I sent emails to my
> yahoo account, and the email showed
> up just fine.  Thanks a lot Google! (NOT!)
>
> Thank you Alex for your patience and
> for helping me test.  Once I saw that
> everything was working at your end
> it got me to thinking about other
> possibilities.
>
> Rick
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Re: Best Temp Pass Autoresponder?

2019-07-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Yes!

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 17:08 Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/14/19 3:24 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > In case it helps, here's the code I use to send email from my LC server
> > account. I should know where this came from (and I suspect I should be
> > able to thank the original author), but that's lost info right now.
>
> wrapQ()? shellEscape()?
> Are these just the way they sound?
> wrapQ(x) = quote & x & quote
> shellEscape(x) = escape what needs escaping in x
>
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Re: math on widths doesn't add up

2019-07-07 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
What my cat looks for.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 15:08 Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I've just been teaching my youngest about the 4th - nth dimensions. Time is
> not the 4th but the 1st temporal dimension. If the 3 spatial dimensions are
> Length, height and width then the 4th is depth, ie, going inwards and
> outwards as the easiest way to picture it (but not truly representative).
> That being the case, how would you describe the 5th spacial dimension.
> That'll twist your noggin if it's not something you've thought of before :)
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 21:55, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Heh! That reminds me, I knew a British professor once who used the
> > illustration that a two dimensional being, confronted with a line would
> > perceive it as impassible. He then went on to explain how it might be
> that
> > a 3 dimensional being, when needing to see into the future might perceive
> > it as impossible, whereas to a 4th dimensional being, that is not bound
> by
> > time, would not.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 17, 2019, at 13:24 , Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure. I do it all the time and everybody knows how 1D I am.
> > >
> > > Some random thoughts:
> > >
> > > A Turing machine might be considered 1D. It can draw x,y.
> > >
> > > This past month, I was working in very high dimensions. I was not able
> > to visualize that very well and used dimension reduction techniques such
> as
> > PCA, UMAP and t-SNE to help. I would guess the 1D being might have to do
> > something similar for "visualization". Maybe.
> > >
> > > Lewis and Clark went on a path or route, 1D, and took measurements that
> > allowed them to create a 2D map. That is, the space of the 1D path was
> > assumed to bend in a 2D space.
> > >
> > > The floor of my lab looks 2D to me, but I have latitude and longitude
> > marked for the center. That labelling assumes a curving into 3D.
> >
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Re: CTD meaning?

2019-06-28 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Code To Die

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 07:52 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I thought ALL developers knew what that meant! :-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 2019, at 02:02 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just in Case  i'm the only one who doesn't have an official meaning of
> CTD.
> >
> > Can I ask, does it Mean Crash To Desktop?
> >
> > I searched the uselist and lo and behold the earliest use of it is by
> Bob,
> > answered by Peter Brett - and Peter seemed to know what it means.
> >
> > So by a process of induction (guessing?)
> >
> > and assuming its like a BSoD (Blue Screen of Death for people who still
> use
> > MSDOS) I have Crash To Desktop  in my mind when I see that.
> >
> > I would use Script Editor FUBAR myself - the Military do say it how it is
> > ;-)
> >
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Re: My sticky fingers

2019-06-12 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
maybe you could tell us if it works...
perhaps

flush   AND
exit to top
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On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 1:01 PM Richmond via use-livecode <
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> Possibly; but in the event of no hay showing up . . .
>
> On 12.06.19 13:41, FlexibleLearning.com via use-livecode wrote:
> > Straw grasping here...
> >
> > on keyDown
> >do something
> >send "flush" to me in 0
> >pass keyDown
> > end keyDown
> >
> > on flush
> >   get flushEvents("all")
> > end flush
> >
> > Hugh Senior
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 01:43 Richmond via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Everyyytime I try to type someting
> >> m figerrs get stuuuck on the keys to
> >> long . . .
> >>
> >> Especially in LiveCode (!)
> >>
> >> So?
> >>
> >> on keyDown
> >> do something
> >> get me the hell out of this so it doesn't happen more than once end
> >> keyDown
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> Richmond.
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Re: My sticky fingers

2019-06-10 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Exit to top

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 01:43 Richmond via use-livecode <
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> Everyyytime I try to type
> someting m figerrs
> get stuuuck on the keys to
> long . . .
>
> Especially in LiveCode (!)
>
> So?
>
> on keyDown
>do something
>get me the hell out of this so it doesn't happen more than once
> end keyDown
>
> ?
>
> Richmond.
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Re: Realtime sound generation in LC

2019-06-07 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
a few years ago I got into trying to export audio files imbedded inside
Livecode to wave and aif and I got it to work, but just dealing with the
pointers and grokking how Livecode stored audio was a challenge.  I didn't
try any processing.

The late Mark Smith was way ahead of me and even had a waveform display and
a traveling cursor line on playback it was brilliant. I think his
stacks are still online somewhere. We were going to collaborate before he
died. this way back about 2007 when I was still working for Mike Markkula
and Jerry Jensen.  I have my stacks around somewhere but it stopped working
at some version I can't remember. My notes aren't human readable.

I started that because I had uncompressed audio files trapped inside rev
stacks but there was no way to export audio built in. I always thought that
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> Hi list,
>
> I was wondering if it could be possible to generate sound
> in real time with LC. I don't mean to play a sound file,
> but to put together samples at a certain sample rate
> (like 44.1 or 45 KHz) and output them, while changing
> some parameters like signal frequency or amplitude.
>
> I am currently exploring the generation of wav files
> with LC for play back, but am much more interested in
> real time generation & manipulation.
> I'm sure other environments could be more suitable for
> such a project, but the fact that LC is great for building
> sophisticated interfaces makes me feel like trying...
> Probably an external is the way to go...
>
> Any ideas ?
> Thanks in advance.
> jbv
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Re: After the conference

2019-05-17 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 7:58 PM Quentin Long via use-livecode <
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> Quentin Long here. As luck would have it, I'm going to be singing in a
> concert on the Friday after the LiveCode Conference. I have no idea how
> many LCC attendees will still be in the Bay Area on Friday, but for the
> benefit of those who are:
> The program: Ein deutsches Requiem, by Brahms
> The time: 8 PM on Friday, 24 MayThe ticket price: FreeThe location:
> Stanford Memorial Church, in the campus of Stanford UniversityThe
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Re: How big is a nanosecond?

2019-05-05 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I always wondered about that. This is a revelation for me. I still remember
SASI and SCSI drives, And the switch to serial methods puzzled me. Of
course it’s more convenient.

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 10:37 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> This not a limit without real world consequences...
>
> I was hamstrung with the 1 foot per nanosecond limitation back in 1979. We
> had a CGI rack with a 6 foot backplane clocked at 25 MHz Of course 1
> foot/ns
> is a theoretical limit. Although we had 40 ns we ran into not only the time
> it took to get from the bottom(CPU) to the top (MPU) of the 6 foot
> backplane
> but keeping 32 parallel bits in sync. We had so many errors that we had to
> design a repeater in the center of the backplane to re-sync the bits. The
> challenges of keeping parallel data in sync in a copper medium is why
> parallel SCSI and IDE hard drives were jettisoned for high speed serial.
> With present technology it's easier, cheaper and more reliable to use ultra
> fast serial rather than slower 32 or 64 bit wide parallel busses to achieve
> the same effective data rate. This is another one of those real world
> things
> that the casual bystander finds hard or refuses to believe. The fact that
> serial is better that parallel is not intuitive but true.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 9:47 PM
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Mark Wieder
> Subject: How big is a nanosecond?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8
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Re: How big is a nanosecond?

2019-05-03 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I love this woman.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8
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Re: Lesson on Accelerated Rendering

2019-04-28 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
It is frightening how much mumbo jumbo goes down every time we 'touch' a
field.
I had no idea.
No wonder loops could get glacial quickly if one is not careful with using
fields as a destination.
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On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 2:31 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:

> Wow that's great, I need to use the MailArchive to search, . (duh, of
> course) my own inbox archive doesn't go that far
>
> I will see you I can get my head around it before the conference so I'll
> know what Mark is talking about.
>
> I'm getting black, blank screens, on Android(in the wordpuzzle)
> related to lock screen and AcceleratedRendering
>
> Thanks to some change they made in 9.0.4.RC2
>
> BR
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> Here is my layman's guess at how it works:
> <
> https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg84396.html>
>
> And here is Mark Waddingham's more technical explanation:
> <
> https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg84428.html>
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Re: Livecloud Bundle Offer

2019-04-27 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Rick,
I don't think Heather is going to give you a cheaper simulcast.
One deal supports the other. It's really good marketing, actually. A great
value...
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On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 7:35 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
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> Hi Mark,
>
> I have a Lifetime Indy LiveCode license.  So I don’t need that.
> I have a Lifetime On-Rev license.
> I run my own servers with Postgresql as my database.
> (I really don’t need LiveCloud yet.)
> I do not want to attend the conference in person.
>
> So yes, in my case, the deal isn’t good enough for me.
> I might only have interest in just the simulcast and recordings.
>
> Thanks for asking.
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/27/19 6:45 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a way to just get full access to the 2019 Simulcast streaming
> and recordings?
> >
> > Because $149 for that PLUS a LiveCloud subscription AND a permanent 9.0
> license isn't a good enough deal for you?
> >
> > If you buy a $199 ticket to attend the conference and want to add just
> the simulcast and recordings, that alone will add $149.
> >
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Re: Livecloud Bundle Offer

2019-04-27 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Geesh Rick,
the Simulcast was offered alone at $150 last week. the rest is bonus.
this is an amazing deal. I signed up right away.
sqb
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> Hi Matthias,
>
> Oh, I see now.  This is only for version 9.0.3 that is permanent.
> It doesn’t apply to LiveCode 10 or beyond whenever they
> come out.
>
> "Everything you need to get your data driven apps off the ground. One year
> of LiveCloud Rain tier, a permanent 9.0.3 LiveCode Indy license, and full
> access to the 2019 Simulcast streaming and recordings with training on
> using your bundle. Save $479 or 77% on the full price for each component.”
>
> Farther down it also says:
>
> "Bundle includes a permanent Indy license to LiveCode 9.0.x, it does not
> include any updates beyond maintenance releases for 9.0. Prices quoted
> ex-VAT where applicable.”
>
> Is there a way to just get full access to the 2019 Simulcast streaming and
> recordings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 2019, at 7:38 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > To be more precise its a permanent 9.0.3 Indy license.
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Re: button ICON

2019-04-22 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
.. or is that what is new in V9x?
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:11 AM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> and there can't be a 'name' of a graphic?  That would solve the problems!
> I thought I tried this once and it worked.
> sqb
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>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:59 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> As an added technique, if you have a single folder containing all your
>> images, and your buttons already point to the image file for reference, you
>> can "skin" your applications by simply swapping out the image folder with a
>> different set of images with the same names, then reloading your stack.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 22, 2019, at 09:32 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks hh - I concur. Your approach seems cleaner.
>> > Phil
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/22/19 9:20 AM, hh via use-livecode wrote:
>> >> As Phil said, but don't set the text of the (empty) image
>> >> used as icon  of the button but set the filename of the image.
>> >>
>> >> The icon will change accordingly.
>>
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Re: button ICON

2019-04-22 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
and there can't be a 'name' of a graphic?  That would solve the problems!
I thought I tried this once and it worked.
sqb
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> As an added technique, if you have a single folder containing all your
> images, and your buttons already point to the image file for reference, you
> can "skin" your applications by simply swapping out the image folder with a
> different set of images with the same names, then reloading your stack.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 2019, at 09:32 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks hh - I concur. Your approach seems cleaner.
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > On 4/22/19 9:20 AM, hh via use-livecode wrote:
> >> As Phil said, but don't set the text of the (empty) image
> >> used as icon  of the button but set the filename of the image.
> >>
> >> The icon will change accordingly.
>
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Re: setting file created date in livecode from script

2019-04-15 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Thank you James, Richard, Alex, and Bob for your replies.

As it turns out, James' suggestion was a good one and version 6 of "A
Better Finder Rename" does indeed to appear to do what I want.
In connection with Public Space's  companion
folder utility, I can do it all without writing a line of code.

It would have been a nice exercise in Livecode programming but  I need to
use my time towards the other things I need to do...
Comparing what I charge for my time VS the hours the Public Space person
put into his code the fees are miniscule..

sqb
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> If you are looking for an existing app the folks at publicspace have what
> I think you need
> http://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderAttributes/index.html
>
> Although I haven’t had a need for this particular app I have used a
> companion app (A BetterFinder Renamer) for years and it has worked
> flawlessly saving me hours of time.
>
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Re: setting file created date in livecode from script

2019-04-15 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Thank you James - I have licensed  all the 'Better' Apps for over 10 years
but I didn't think they were capable of
1. Reading the EXIF date
2. AND setting the Created Date and time of the file with formatted
information gained from the EXIF info
3. AND renaming the filename of that file with formatted information gained
from the EXIF info
*in one operation*

please tell me if I'm wrong - perhaps this could be done in multiple steps
with BETTERs...

I'm trying to set up my photo archive in a way that keeps all the images in
hierarchal folders of Year and month
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> If you are looking for an existing app the folks at publicspace have what
> I think you need
> http://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderAttributes/index.html
>
> Although I haven’t had a need for this particular app I have used a
> companion app (A BetterFinder Renamer) for years and it has worked
> flawlessly saving me hours of time.
>
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Re: setting file created date in livecode from script

2019-04-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Thanks Richard, I'll check out your suggestion.
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On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 10:18 PM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> the altering was the filename change - some kind of unique number,  and
> the created dates were changed as well - for no reason.
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 10:15 PM Stephen Barncard 
> wrote:
>
>> "1. How does changing the date affect their space quota?"
>> The unwanted photo file uploads affected MY space quota on the free
>> account, they fill it up, and then they tell you you are near the  'limit'
>> and must buy more space.
>> When I got my files back, they were altered.  It's just dishonest and
>> disingenuous.
>>
>> of course I'm looking for something else but I'd rather not be doing time
>> consuming configuring. I have better things to do.
>> --
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>> mixstream.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 10:02 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>>
>>>  > Why? because several years ago $@$#$@#$@'ing  dropbox, without my
>>>  > permission, started changing not only filenames but DATES in a huge
>>>  > swath of precious photos in  a particularly dishonest way -- they
>>>  > wanted my free account to fill up quickly so I'd have to "upgrade".
>>>  > I know the EXIF tags still exist inside each file, but all the file
>>>  > dates had been changed to the date of copying.
>>>  > Dropbox has been increasingly piggish lately - not allowing more than
>>>  > 3 machines on the free account.
>>>  > It's a mess.  This does not endear me to these greedy people.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. How does changing the date affect their space quota?
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Dropbox policies have become too FUBAR for me to spend time with
>>> anymore.  For example, I have no files in my account, and recently got a
>>> notice saying I was out of disk space and needed to pay them for an
>>> upgrade.  That shouldn't be possible.  But it turns out they count files
>>> shared with you against both the account where the file originates and
>>> yours tool - even though the file exists in only one location. #doubledip
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. This means a really hack to annoy people: just put a really big file
>>> in your account and share it with anyone you don't like.  Since it'll
>>> count against their quota, you've just prevented them from being able to
>>> add anything else to their account.  #insane
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. You can liberate yourself:  https://nextcloud.com/
>>>
>>> I met the project founder, Frank Karlitschek, when we had him speak at
>>> UbuCon in Pasadena a few years ago.  Great guy, great team, all super
>>> passionate about free and open source software, and leaving the user in
>>> control of their cloud services.
>>>
>>> More than just file sharing with one of the best sync mechanisms I've
>>> ever seen, it also includes many dozens of add-on apps for everything
>>> from team management to music streaming to video chat and more.
>>>
>>> I have a dedicated Nextcloud server in my office for myself, and another
>>> on a VPS I use with clients and vendors.  With native sync clients for
>>> Mac, Windows, and Linux (and iOS, and Android too), my LiveCode Plugins
>>> folder is kept current no matter which machine I happen to be working
>>> at.  And with its convenient versioning, if I mess up and want to revert
>>> one of my plugins to yesterday's it's a breeze.
>>>
>>> Runs on any standard LAMP/WAMP/MAMP server.  And if you're using it on
>>> Ubuntu 18.04 you can install it one line using the new Snap packager.
>>>
>>> And you remain in control of everything.
>>>
>>> Nope, not in any way affiliate with Nextcloud.  Just a very happy user.
>>>
>>> --
>>>   Richard Gaskin
>>>   Fourth World Systems
>>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>   
>>>   ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: setting file created date in livecode from script

2019-04-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
the altering was the filename change - some kind of unique number,  and the
created dates were changed as well - for no reason.
--
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mixstream.org


On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 10:15 PM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> "1. How does changing the date affect their space quota?"
> The unwanted photo file uploads affected MY space quota on the free
> account, they fill it up, and then they tell you you are near the  'limit'
> and must buy more space.
> When I got my files back, they were altered.  It's just dishonest and
> disingenuous.
>
> of course I'm looking for something else but I'd rather not be doing time
> consuming configuring. I have better things to do.
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 10:02 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>
>>  > Why? because several years ago $@$#$@#$@'ing  dropbox, without my
>>  > permission, started changing not only filenames but DATES in a huge
>>  > swath of precious photos in  a particularly dishonest way -- they
>>  > wanted my free account to fill up quickly so I'd have to "upgrade".
>>  > I know the EXIF tags still exist inside each file, but all the file
>>  > dates had been changed to the date of copying.
>>  > Dropbox has been increasingly piggish lately - not allowing more than
>>  > 3 machines on the free account.
>>  > It's a mess.  This does not endear me to these greedy people.
>>
>>
>> 1. How does changing the date affect their space quota?
>>
>>
>> 2. Dropbox policies have become too FUBAR for me to spend time with
>> anymore.  For example, I have no files in my account, and recently got a
>> notice saying I was out of disk space and needed to pay them for an
>> upgrade.  That shouldn't be possible.  But it turns out they count files
>> shared with you against both the account where the file originates and
>> yours tool - even though the file exists in only one location. #doubledip
>>
>>
>> 3. This means a really hack to annoy people: just put a really big file
>> in your account and share it with anyone you don't like.  Since it'll
>> count against their quota, you've just prevented them from being able to
>> add anything else to their account.  #insane
>>
>>
>> 4. You can liberate yourself:  https://nextcloud.com/
>>
>> I met the project founder, Frank Karlitschek, when we had him speak at
>> UbuCon in Pasadena a few years ago.  Great guy, great team, all super
>> passionate about free and open source software, and leaving the user in
>> control of their cloud services.
>>
>> More than just file sharing with one of the best sync mechanisms I've
>> ever seen, it also includes many dozens of add-on apps for everything
>> from team management to music streaming to video chat and more.
>>
>> I have a dedicated Nextcloud server in my office for myself, and another
>> on a VPS I use with clients and vendors.  With native sync clients for
>> Mac, Windows, and Linux (and iOS, and Android too), my LiveCode Plugins
>> folder is kept current no matter which machine I happen to be working
>> at.  And with its convenient versioning, if I mess up and want to revert
>> one of my plugins to yesterday's it's a breeze.
>>
>> Runs on any standard LAMP/WAMP/MAMP server.  And if you're using it on
>> Ubuntu 18.04 you can install it one line using the new Snap packager.
>>
>> And you remain in control of everything.
>>
>> Nope, not in any way affiliate with Nextcloud.  Just a very happy user.
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems
>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>   
>>   ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
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Re: setting file created date in livecode from script

2019-04-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
"1. How does changing the date affect their space quota?"
The unwanted photo file uploads affected MY space quota on the free
account, they fill it up, and then they tell you you are near the  'limit'
and must buy more space.
When I got my files back, they were altered.  It's just dishonest and
disingenuous.

of course I'm looking for something else but I'd rather not be doing time
consuming configuring. I have better things to do.
--
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mixstream.org


On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 10:02 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>  > Why? because several years ago $@$#$@#$@'ing  dropbox, without my
>  > permission, started changing not only filenames but DATES in a huge
>  > swath of precious photos in  a particularly dishonest way -- they
>  > wanted my free account to fill up quickly so I'd have to "upgrade".
>  > I know the EXIF tags still exist inside each file, but all the file
>  > dates had been changed to the date of copying.
>  > Dropbox has been increasingly piggish lately - not allowing more than
>  > 3 machines on the free account.
>  > It's a mess.  This does not endear me to these greedy people.
>
>
> 1. How does changing the date affect their space quota?
>
>
> 2. Dropbox policies have become too FUBAR for me to spend time with
> anymore.  For example, I have no files in my account, and recently got a
> notice saying I was out of disk space and needed to pay them for an
> upgrade.  That shouldn't be possible.  But it turns out they count files
> shared with you against both the account where the file originates and
> yours tool - even though the file exists in only one location. #doubledip
>
>
> 3. This means a really hack to annoy people: just put a really big file
> in your account and share it with anyone you don't like.  Since it'll
> count against their quota, you've just prevented them from being able to
> add anything else to their account.  #insane
>
>
> 4. You can liberate yourself:  https://nextcloud.com/
>
> I met the project founder, Frank Karlitschek, when we had him speak at
> UbuCon in Pasadena a few years ago.  Great guy, great team, all super
> passionate about free and open source software, and leaving the user in
> control of their cloud services.
>
> More than just file sharing with one of the best sync mechanisms I've
> ever seen, it also includes many dozens of add-on apps for everything
> from team management to music streaming to video chat and more.
>
> I have a dedicated Nextcloud server in my office for myself, and another
> on a VPS I use with clients and vendors.  With native sync clients for
> Mac, Windows, and Linux (and iOS, and Android too), my LiveCode Plugins
> folder is kept current no matter which machine I happen to be working
> at.  And with its convenient versioning, if I mess up and want to revert
> one of my plugins to yesterday's it's a breeze.
>
> Runs on any standard LAMP/WAMP/MAMP server.  And if you're using it on
> Ubuntu 18.04 you can install it one line using the new Snap packager.
>
> And you remain in control of everything.
>
> Nope, not in any way affiliate with Nextcloud.  Just a very happy user.
>
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Re: setting file created date in livecode from script

2019-04-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
answering my own question: TOUCH
looks like what I want... gotta love BSD Unix...

NAME

 touch -- change file access and modification times


SYNOPSIS

 touch [-A [-][[hh]mm]SS] [-acfhm] [-r file] [-t [[CC]YY]MMDDhhmm[.SS]]

   file ...


DESCRIPTION

 The touch utility sets the modification and access times of files.  If

 any file does not exist, it is created with default permissions.


 By default, touch changes both modification and access times.  The -a
and

 -m flags may be used to select the access time or the modification time

 individually.  Selecting both is equivalent to the default.  By
default,

 the timestamps are set to the current time.  The -t flag explicitly
spec-

 ifies a different time, and the -r flag specifies to set the times
those

 of the specified file.  The -A flag adjusts the values by a specified

 amount.
.

full definition can be had by typing MAN TOUCH




I hope others can use this knowledge..sorry to raise the alarm.


I'm off to write a handler, which I'll post later if anyone is interested


Now I've got to find those EXIF routines, they're around somewhere


thanks , self


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On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 2:36 PM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I thought file date change had been a part of livecode for years, but I
> can't find anything in the docs about setting the created or modified dates
> in files.
> I need to do this on the Mac desktop.
>
> Why? because several years ago $@$#$@#$@'ing  dropbox, without my
> permission, started changing not only filenames but DATES in a huge swath
> of precious photos in  a particularly dishonest way -- they wanted my free
> account to fill up quickly so I'd have to "upgrade".
> I know the EXIF tags still exist inside each file, but all the file dates
> had been changed to the date of copying.
> Dropbox has been increasingly piggish lately - not allowing more than 3
> machines on the free account.
> It's a mess.  This does not endear me to these greedy people.
>
> I have to write a custom handler to deal with this - there's no app that
> can do this - I don't think.
>
> perhaps there's something I can call from the shell - I'd be good with
> that.
>
> Anyone have an idea? Thanks in advance.
>
> sqb
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setting file created date in livecode from script

2019-04-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Hi Gang,

I thought file date change had been a part of livecode for years, but I
can't find anything in the docs about setting the created or modified dates
in files.
I need to do this on the Mac desktop.

Why? because several years ago $@$#$@#$@'ing  dropbox, without my
permission, started changing not only filenames but DATES in a huge swath
of precious photos in  a particularly dishonest way -- they wanted my free
account to fill up quickly so I'd have to "upgrade".
I know the EXIF tags still exist inside each file, but all the file dates
had been changed to the date of copying.
Dropbox has been increasingly piggish lately - not allowing more than 3
machines on the free account.
It's a mess.  This does not endear me to these greedy people.

I have to write a custom handler to deal with this - there's no app that
can do this - I don't think.

perhaps there's something I can call from the shell - I'd be good with that.

Anyone have an idea? Thanks in advance.

sqb
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Re: Panel/Form Widget

2019-04-12 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Good lord, Dalton - you could use gmail which also provides all the other
Google free goodies including online photo services
If you are a programmer this should be the easiest part!

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Dalton Calford 
wrote:

> Yea, unfortunately, setting up a site that I can upload to, arrange the
> links etc., is more hassle than it is worth.
> The responses I got on my other thread (about documentation on adding
> another native database client) tells me that I am not able to continue
> with Livecode.
> ODBC is not going to cut it, there is no native jdbc control and the
> system does not seem to have any standardization in regards to database
> access(from a low level standpoint).
>
> I hope I am wrong, but I won't know until I dig further into the git
> sources.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 12:45, Stephen Barncard 
> wrote:
>
>> This is an old fashioned list, which allows no attachments.
>> Always use links.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 09:40 Dalton Calford via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > Well, it appears this list is not the best place to use for such a
>>> discussion.
>>> I shared some notes and a screen shot and voila, I get this
>>>
>>> "Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval"
>>> >
>>>
>>> I don't know if Richard got the message or not, nor do I know if my post
>>> got approved, but with such a small size (32k) this is really  tight if
>>> any
>>> diagrams/mockups are to be included.
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Re: Panel/Form Widget

2019-04-12 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
This is an old fashioned list, which allows no attachments.
Always use links.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 09:40 Dalton Calford via use-livecode <
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> > Well, it appears this list is not the best place to use for such a
> discussion.
> I shared some notes and a screen shot and voila, I get this
>
> "Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval"
> >
>
> I don't know if Richard got the message or not, nor do I know if my post
> got approved, but with such a small size (32k) this is really  tight if any
> diagrams/mockups are to be included.
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Re: Notarizing applications for macOS

2019-04-09 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
And if you are not connected to the krell None of your stuff will work.
All is hopeless.

What a nightmare.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 04:05 Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
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> Hey friends,
>
> This info just passed through my inbox:
>
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/notarizing_your_app_before_distribution?language=objc
>
> Do we have a solution for this already? Can we notarize LC standalones?
>
> Cheers
>
> andre
>
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Re: goofy question about "repeat for each"

2019-03-25 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
bad vision. sorry
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:42 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi Stephen,
>
> > Am 25.03.2019 um 21:31 schrieb Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > what is the 'item-delimiter" in this case?  I don't see commas
>
> the COMMA is the default itemdelimiter, so not neccessary to set it in
> this example.
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> >
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM jbv via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi list,
> >>
> >> I have a list of values such as :
> >>   540,20
> >>   542,22...
> >> one per line in a variable named cc...
>
> Best
>
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Re: goofy question about "repeat for each"

2019-03-25 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
what is the 'item-delimiter" in this case?  I don't see commas
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM jbv via use-livecode <
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> Hi list,
>
> I have a list of values such as :
>540,20
>542,22...
> one per line in a variable named cc.
>
> Now I'm running the following loop :
> repeat for each line j in cc
>   add 1 to item 1 of j
>   put return & j after var2
> end repeat
>
> goofy question : does each iteration of the loop
> change the values of each line of cc, or does it
> only change the value of j ?
>
> I'm asking because it seems that I am facing some
> weird and unexpected modifications in the variable
> with a huge number of lines...
>
> Thanks in advance.
> jbv
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Re: Browser widget and downloading of files

2019-03-20 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I think one has to specifically capture the link-click and deal with it in
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On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:13 AM Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <
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> Are there any ways to start a download of a file via a link in the browser
> widget? It works fine in any other browser, but not when the page is
> displayed in a browser widget.
>
> Best regards
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Re: Apple Wants Application Specific Password

2019-03-19 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
RFIDs!

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 16:19 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Next thing you know, Apple is going to require a mark on your right hand
> or your forehead... ;-P
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Mar 19, 2019, at 15:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Things changed on Feb. 27, if I remember right. Developer accounts now
> require two-factor authentication. The old two-step authentication is
> deprecated. If you don't set up 2FA you can be locked out.
>
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Re: BACKUPS !!!

2019-03-19 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Offsite backup of large media files is just not practical in a working
environment with normal consumer Internet connections and multiple
projects.

I’m talking about final cut pro and ProTools multi track.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:03 Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
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> Thanks for the reminder, Ralph, and glad you indeed had backups.
>
> On which subject... my top tip to friends, family, and even casual
> acquaintances is *Backblaze* network backup.
>
> It's not a substitute for local and off-site direct backups. I'm sure that
> as
> professionals in an IT-related field we all have all those in hand. And
> for
> those with just a laptop rather than a big raid array etc all the
> operating
> systems now make it trivially easy (and cheap) to plug in a little USB
> drive
> and be backed up. But our less technical friends and family may just not
> have
> got round to it yet; and if they have - especially with a laptop - they
> may
> not remember to plug the backup drive in very often.
>
> There are lots of network backup options of course - I could never get
> round
> to setting it up for my family's machines because there were too many
> options
> to choose between, and surely I should go one of the free setups between
> computers... etc. Too many options, result inertia.
>
> What makes Backblaze fantastic, in my opinion, is that they've cut through
> all
> of that, reducing to the absolute minimum the effort and choices required.
> Go
> to https://backblaze.com, click "try it for free", enter your email
> address
> and make up a password. It downloads a little installer - you run that and
> you're essentially done.
>
> They bake your email/password into the installer so you don't have to do
> anything else. After a while they'll email you to tell you how it's going;
> eventually they'll email to invite you to give them your credit card if
> you
> want to keep going. There is a control panel, there are options, there are
> other groovy features - but if you never know about or touch them you'll
> still
> be getting backed up.
>
> There are also no plans to choose between: it's $60/computer/year,
> regardless
> of how big (or how many) the drive(s) attached to that computer.
>
> Backblaze are very clear that this shouldn't be your first- or second-line
> backup. They're right. But if I ask my spouse or child when they last
> plugged
> the backup drive into their laptop, I know the answer will make me cry.
> The
> fact that Backblaze will have kept running to the last minute they closed
> the
> lid is my sanity clause. When bad things inevitably happen - and of course
> it
> will fall to me to deal with it - I will be able to rescue their
> undeserving
> asses!
>
> I don't want to give you an affiliate link because I'd rather you got
> backed
> up than doubted the purity of my evangelism! If you're all covered, good
> for
> you. But if you're not, or if your cousin, colleague, or chiropractor look
> like they need a clue - I think this is a very small amount of money to
> increase peace of mind.
>
> Ben
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 16:59, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
> > Just a reminder... On Win 10 my 2 TB Raid 1 array using 1.3 TBs
> containing
> > all my data, 3 dev VMs and all my source code was corrupted. It took a
> very
> > annoying day to replace HW(controller) and recover data/VMs from my
> backups.
> > All is back with NO data loss.
> >
> > As it has been said here before "Raid is not a substitute for backups". I
> > have multiple copies with at least 1 off-line(crypto locker/power surge)
> and
> > 1 off-site(fire/theft). I don't use any cloud backups. Why? MySpace lost
> 12
> > years of user data last year. Although cloud backup reliability is high
> it's
> > not high enough for me to bet my business on not to mention how long it
> > would take to download 1.3 TBs. Although all my Mac data is an SMB to the
> > Win Raid I still use Time Machine on the Mac so I don't need to
> re-install
> > components needed development.
> >
> > Stay vigilant my friends.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >
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Re: password protected stack and passkey

2019-03-19 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Perhaps you are using the community server?

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:01 JJS via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> HI,
>
>
> i don't fully understand the password protection on how it functions in
> Indy.
>
> If i add a password and save the stack, unload it from memory. Then
> reload it again, nothing happens and i can see all scripts.
>
>
> If i put the password protected stack on a server, then load it with a
> splash program.
>
> Then If i set the passkey or not in the splash program, it just loads it
> and runs it.
>
>
> So how should work? The dictionary does not make it clearer for me.
>
>
> Should the IDE not ask me for a password? after reload i can see the
> password in the standalone settings.
>
> Should the splah program not run it if no passkey has been set?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jerry
>
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Re: TabStops and Tab Spacings

2019-03-04 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Hi,
In the past I've set up a special format for field listing with column
names on the first line
and tab stops (as comma separated integers( on the very last line)

human readable

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> This is driving me crazy:
>
> I have a styled text field in the IDE called myFld for which I set the
> TabStops to 15,250,320
> Is there any way to export myFld to URL and retain the Tab spacings
> 15,250,320 ?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Roger
>
>
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Re: Weird LiveCode Plugins Prefs writing problems

2019-02-10 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
"I’m a bit afraid to leave off a virus protection program though. Anybody
have recommendations?"

most likely you don't need one.  I have never used one on a mac since 1983.
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:05 PM William Prothero via use-livecode <
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> Problem solved, but first:
> I found that BitDefender kept deleting the “Safe Application” setting for
> “Livecode Business 9.0.2”, so it blocked writing to the Devo Prefs file.
> The OS wouldn’t let me delete the library files associated with
> BitDefender. I also found that there were un-fixable errors in my boot
> drive, which is an SSD drive. I wanted to delete all anti-virus files and
> CleanMyMac, which contained both version 3 and X. I also needed to deal
> with the boot drive disc errors, which DiskUtility couldn’t fix. I was
> going to have to completely erase and reformat the boot drive. Fortunately,
> my boot drive was still functioning mostly normally.
>
> First I booted my computer from an external drive that I had created a
> couple of weeks ago using SuperDuper. Then I deleted all Library files
> related to BitDefender and CleanMyMac. I think I got all of them, but may
> have missed something.
>
> Next I created a disc image big enough to hold all of my boot drive
> content (on an external drive), so I could restore it after reformatting. I
> used SuperDuper to copy my boot drive content to the disc image. Then I
> reformatted my original boot drive and after that, used SuperDuper to copy
> the disc image contents back to my original boot drive.
>
> I checked that the Devo prefs were being updated correctly, and yes, they
> were. Problem solved.
>
> I’m a bit afraid to leave off a virus protection program though. Anybody
> have recommendations?
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Guess I waited until the right time to go from 10.12 to 10.14 :grin:
> > I’ll be doing that upgrade in the next couple weeks.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > On Feb 10, 2019, 7:49 AM -0500, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode , wrote:
> >> Little story: Yesterday, early the morning, I was on 10.4.2. "Sadly" I
> thought Navigator would not save preferences. Went back to work, thinking
> the IDE has lost some globals, or messages, it crashes for me all the time
> now, at least once a day. No point sending in reports, Panos says "cannot
> reproduce..."
> >>
> >> Besides, two other programs unrelated, will suddenly "wink out" I say
> that, because, you may be doing something else, the application is not
> experiencing any "user operations". Suddenly it crashes and you get a crash
> report. It's as if a gremlin in the background is issuing a "Kill process."
> Although it also happens in the IDE, especially when dragging a control
> from the tool bar onto a stack. I always save, hold my breath now when
> create a button, drag it the tools pallet "Oh no! the IDE crashed,
> again...sigh" Now, that seems unrelated... but
> >>
> >> Not paying much attention update notices. Busy getting work done. I
> hard to reboot. Ha! big update got installed. OS X 10.4.3
> >>
> >> Now, this morning Navigator prefs are saved Yay! Having done
> nothing else, one is tempted to say, it was a "mysterious OS thing"
> >>
> >> I never had time to investigate... Rick: I'll try Avast
> >>
> >> BR
> >>
> >> Bill wrote: So I used diskutility to repair the system drive, then
> updated the os to 10.14.3.
> >>
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Re: Strip XMP Packet from the end of binary image data

2019-02-01 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
And replaced with?

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 12:19 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>  > Copy text from an OCR'd PDF sometime and paste it into a Livecode
>  > field. You may find the number of characters is more than are visible.
>
> Reason #233 why PDF must die. ;)
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Re: file: vs bibfile: usage?

2019-01-07 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
yeah I re-discovered (and paid second license for) BBEdit. They were the
first programmer's editor on mac, although I was partial to TEX-edit, which
had some cool text features nobody else had... like ways of identifying
mystery invisible characters.  I haven't tried it in years, I wonder about
it's handling of Unicode.
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> On a mac, BBEdit or its older cousin TextWrangler will preserve line
> endings. It just works. You can also easily change endings with a pull-down
> menu. That stoppedl me from whining about the price. They also have good
> tech support.
> .Jerry
>
> > On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is a perennial problem. My personal opinion is that unless a user
> explicitly wants to alter the line endings in a file, no assumptions should
> be made by the developer in this regard. A classic example (at least for
> me) is working with files exported from copiers. Let's say I want to export
> the email addresses from a Toshiba copier, edit them in a spreadsheet, then
> re-import them back into the copier. Simply OPENING the text file, in
> TextEdit or Word on a Mac OS will convert the line endings to the Mac
> defaults, EVEN IF I DO NOT SAVE THE FILE!!! Now the Toshiba copier will
> reject the file because it is expecting line feeds and it has CRLFs
> instead. So I have to edit these files in a Windows VM or I break them.
> >
> > Bob S
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Re: LiveCoders from London, lets meet!

2018-11-09 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Andre - If I were ANYWHERE in the EU I would love the opportunity to meet
up with you anytime!
but I'm stuck in (a nice part of) Trumpland
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> I have to go with a boat then few hours
>
> So i'll stay home and get a beer from my fridge
>
>
> Op 9-11-2018 om 18:44 schreef Keith Clarke via use-livecode:
> > Andre, I’m based near London and would be happy to meet in Town & buy
> you a beer. :-)
> > Best,
> > Keith
> >
> >> On 9 Nov 2018, at 17:04, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Friends,
> >>
> >> Who here is from London or nearby and would be interested in regular
> meetups? We could meet once a month or so in a pub or quieter setting. I am
> thinking of informal meet & drink, chatting.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> andre
> >>
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Re: Reading PDF Form Data in LiveCode?

2018-10-10 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
before wheel invention it might be prudent to see how the existing apps do
this.
especially if this is a one shot.

https://pdf.wondershare.com/top-pdf-software/free-pdf-to-csv-converter.html
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> Does anyone have any code or suggestions for reading the data from PDF
> forms? I have several hundred form fields in 5 different design forms in
> PDF format that I need to extract. The data is mainly text fields but may
> include a few checkboxes and radio buttons. Any thoughts please?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: mousemove doesn't recognize "shiftkey is down", but only under Windows

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
VMWare is about $70 I think.

there's a free trial
<https://store.vmware.com/store?Action=html=BASE=en_US=vmware=Fusion-FusionPro-LandingPage=7013401YWs5=ps_5ba283a1931cc=vmware%20for%20mac=e_source=google_medium=ppc_campaign=GS_eBiz_Lead_AMS_US_EN_BR_E_Fusion_clickid=25b2255b-0a99-49e4-8991-913e41bdcb07=Cj0KCQjwi8fdBRCVARIsAEkDvnKZb-Ni4sT_8QFKPjVn48uFf5h7QXP42HLydgQviD18SpuRq0znejgaArl6EALw_wcB>



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On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Howard Bornstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm only using Parallels, so I don't know the answer to that.
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:47 PM Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Does the same thing happen with VMware?
> >
> > not that I have any plans to develop anything in Windows.
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> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:16 PM Howard Bornstein via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I just wanted to mention that the problem detecting the shift-key being
> > > down seems to be entirely an issue with Parallels. My test, running
> under
> > > Windows 10 on a real PC had no trouble with my code that was looking
> for
> > > the shift-key being down. I'm glad to see this problem wasn't within
> > > LiveCode. There are so many layers where something can go wrong, it can
> > be
> > > a challenge identifying exactly where the problem is happening. It must
> > be
> > > a pretty specific issue with Parallels that only manifests by ignoring
> > the
> > > shift key.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:02 PM Howard Bornstein <
> > bornst...@designeq.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:50 PM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Howard:
> > > >>
> > > >>  > All my test show that for the Shift key and the Option key, when
> > > >>  > called within a mousemove handler, it doesn't register that the
> > > >>  > keys are down unless the mouse button is clicked first.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Howard, I tested your code verbatim in the card script of a new
> > stack
> > > >> in LC 901 on native Windows 10 with a real PC laptop, Dell Intel i5.
> > > >>
> > > >> It works fine here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for testing this out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I also noticed that since "shiftkey" only has two
> > > >> states, you don't really need to test it twice; you could cut out
> the
> > > >> second "if" statement. In fact, this yields similar results:
> > > >>
> > > >> on mousemove x,y
> > > >>   put x,y && the shiftkey
> > > >> end mousemove
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Lol. Yeah, I wasn't trying for elegance. I was making sure the code
> and
> > > > results were absolutely clear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> So, despite the very significant issues that LC 9 has on real
> Windows,
> > > >> including a barely-usable script editor, it seems likely that this
> is
> > > >> not one of them. That's good news! But obviously you do have a
> > problem.
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you tested your code in a brand new empty stack in a fresh and
> > > >> unmodded instance of LC, no extra plugins or scripts running? If so,
> > if
> > > >> it's just Parallels, I have to say that virtual Windows isn't quite
> > the
> > > >> same. Well, I guess an Intel Mac sporting a GUI that contradicts
> much
> > of
> > > >> Apple's original research isn't quite the same either; I'm a big
> > > >> original Mac guy! :) But some details are different. That's why I
> > always
> > > >> use real Mac and real Windows.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I have friend with a real Windows machine that will test the code of
> > the
> > > > app where I applied this technique so, hopefully I'll be able to see
> if
> > > it
> > > > works on a real PC and if the problem is Paral

Re: mousemove doesn't recognize "shiftkey is down", but only under Windows

2018-09-29 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Does the same thing happen with VMware?

not that I have any plans to develop anything in Windows.
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:16 PM Howard Bornstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I just wanted to mention that the problem detecting the shift-key being
> down seems to be entirely an issue with Parallels. My test, running under
> Windows 10 on a real PC had no trouble with my code that was looking for
> the shift-key being down. I'm glad to see this problem wasn't within
> LiveCode. There are so many layers where something can go wrong, it can be
> a challenge identifying exactly where the problem is happening. It must be
> a pretty specific issue with Parallels that only manifests by ignoring the
> shift key.
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:02 PM Howard Bornstein 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:50 PM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Howard:
> >>
> >>  > All my test show that for the Shift key and the Option key, when
> >>  > called within a mousemove handler, it doesn't register that the
> >>  > keys are down unless the mouse button is clicked first.
> >>
> >> Hi Howard, I tested your code verbatim in the card script of a new stack
> >> in LC 901 on native Windows 10 with a real PC laptop, Dell Intel i5.
> >>
> >> It works fine here.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for testing this out.
> >
> >
> >> I also noticed that since "shiftkey" only has two
> >> states, you don't really need to test it twice; you could cut out the
> >> second "if" statement. In fact, this yields similar results:
> >>
> >> on mousemove x,y
> >>   put x,y && the shiftkey
> >> end mousemove
> >>
> >
> > Lol. Yeah, I wasn't trying for elegance. I was making sure the code and
> > results were absolutely clear.
> >
> >
> >> So, despite the very significant issues that LC 9 has on real Windows,
> >> including a barely-usable script editor, it seems likely that this is
> >> not one of them. That's good news! But obviously you do have a problem.
> >>
> >> Have you tested your code in a brand new empty stack in a fresh and
> >> unmodded instance of LC, no extra plugins or scripts running? If so, if
> >> it's just Parallels, I have to say that virtual Windows isn't quite the
> >> same. Well, I guess an Intel Mac sporting a GUI that contradicts much of
> >> Apple's original research isn't quite the same either; I'm a big
> >> original Mac guy! :) But some details are different. That's why I always
> >> use real Mac and real Windows.
> >>
> >
> > I have friend with a real Windows machine that will test the code of the
> > app where I applied this technique so, hopefully I'll be able to see if
> it
> > works on a real PC and if the problem is Parallels. I'm a Mac guy too and
> > only use Windows to test apps built for both platforms.
> >
> >
> >> But if you get different results with a fresh stack and LC, if there is
> >> something else going on and you would like me to test your actual stack
> >> (on native Windows) or help solve your problem, feel free to contact me
> >> off-list. Interesting.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks. I'll let you know what my friend turns up.
> >
> >
> >> (Meanwhile, hope we can get improvements for some of the real Windows
> >> problems that LC has. It's difficult to type in the LC 901 script editor
> >> on Windows - that is a pretty huge issue. I have a WordLib update coming
> >> out in a few days, pending final tests, and it never hurts to have a
> >> fully usable version of the latest LC IDE on both platforms!)
> >>
> >
> > I did work a little bit in the script editor under Windows and didn't
> > notice the awful problems you've been reporting, but again, it was just
> > some tweaks and code changes. I don't do most of my scripting under
> > Windows. I hope this gets fixed.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Curry Kenworthy
> >>
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Re: [off] Do me a solid

2018-09-29 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
still they are depending on AWS?  Amazon is "the man" now...
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:57 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> 4 wordsIPFS. :D
>
> thats the future of a decentralized web :) IPFS is going to take off in the
> next 2 years like a bat out of hell, as more and more decentralized
> applications are developed on top of it and proven to work at scale.
> TBLee's tech will have to at least match IPFS or be way behind from day 1.
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:37 PM John McKenzie via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Mike, thanks for the link to the Berners-Lee article. Could somebody
> > please explain to me what he is doing as described by the article
> > though?
> >
> >  It says he is taking something decentralized like the world wide web
> > and is making it decentralized. I can do that. There I just did it.
> > Anyone can host a web server now. They talk about data and storage
> > control and we have all those things now. People choose to use Faceook,
> > not Diaspora, etc, they choose to use Google Drive not a local hard
> > drive, etc. We already have the technology and finished applications to
> > do everything mentioned in the article.
> >
> >  I do not meant to sound critical or mean I just honestly do not
> > understand the point of the article and would like to know. Or am I just
> > overthinking it and the only point is Berners-Lee has a better way to
> > program these things?
> >
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Re: [ANN] animationEngine is free now

2018-09-29 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
yes, please stay on the list...we need your wisdom and humor.  I'm kind of
a lurker but still use LC for my quirky hybrid (but totally not shrink
wrapped) programming.  I love this culture of Rev.
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> On 9/28/18 2:15 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode wrote:
> > Today I am not doing much development work anymore. There will be one
> last try through a Kickstarter campaign in a couple of days, but if that
> fails, I’ve basically had my days in dev.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that, Malte. I'm sure your reasons are for the best
> but I wouldn't want you to disappear. Please keep in touch.
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Re: Internet Date Service test

2018-09-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I'd rather use a time server that a lot of people use and is maintained. A
private web server's clock depends on ...x for reference?

"Google Public NTP serves leap-smeared time
. We use this technology to
smoothly handle leap seconds with no disruptive events.

We implemented Google Public NTP with our load balancers
 and our fleet of atomic clocks
in data centers around the world.

   - Configure your network settings to use time.google.com as your NTP
   server."


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On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> You could put a little one line CGI on your server that just returns the
> time and date.
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>
> On September 14, 2018 8:47:51 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, that’s right.
>>
>> We had a report of a user setting back his OS date to extend his demo.
>> This caused us much consternation, thus the desire for an independent date
>> source.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the goal is an independent time (date) source to ensure that the
>>> value is correct. I’m curious about the best solution. Probably would
>>> involve your own server though.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>> On Sep 14, 2018, 7:36 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>>>
 Peter Bogdanoff wrote:

 And… if anyone has a method that doesn’t rely on the user’s local
> date/time I’d like to hear that…
>

 Using "the seconds" returns a value that accounts for local GMT offset.
 with the value returned being for GMT.

 So if you get the seconds and then display them on a machine set to a
 different time zone, the time zone will be taken into account when using
 the convert command to display them in any human-readable format.

 FWIW "the internet date" is similarly useful for converting to other
 formats in ways that take local time zone into account.

 AFAIK those are the only two built-in date formats that account for GMT
 offset, but I've used both for network services where users trade data
 across many time zones and they work quite well.

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Re: Internet Date Service test

2018-09-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
how about google time?

https://developers.google.com/time/

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On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
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> Yes, that’s right.
>
> We had a report of a user setting back his OS date to extend his demo.
> This caused us much consternation, thus the desire for an independent date
> source.
>
> Peter
>
> > On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think the goal is an independent time (date) source to ensure that the
> value is correct. I’m curious about the best solution. Probably would
> involve your own server though.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > On Sep 14, 2018, 7:36 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> >>
> >>> And… if anyone has a method that doesn’t rely on the user’s local
> >>> date/time I’d like to hear that…
> >>
> >> Using "the seconds" returns a value that accounts for local GMT offset.
> >> with the value returned being for GMT.
> >>
> >> So if you get the seconds and then display them on a machine set to a
> >> different time zone, the time zone will be taken into account when using
> >> the convert command to display them in any human-readable format.
> >>
> >> FWIW "the internet date" is similarly useful for converting to other
> >> formats in ways that take local time zone into account.
> >>
> >> AFAIK those are the only two built-in date formats that account for GMT
> >> offset, but I've used both for network services where users trade data
> >> across many time zones and they work quite well.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Fourth World Systems
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> >> 
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Re: Internet Date Service test

2018-09-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Hi Peter,

why don't you consider a VPN for such testing? It can place you in any
country you need, and you get immediate confirmation.   VPN's are plentiful
and free to cheap.

sqb

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On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
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> Hi,
>
> For trial version expiration of my program, I’ve been attempting to use
> the US Naval Observatory time service which has an API that returns info as
> JSON data:
>
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/api.php#jdconv <
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/api.php#jdconv>
>
> My request:
> put URL "http://api.usno.navy.mil/jdconverter?date=today=
> 22:15:23.5=ArtsInteractive" into sJulianDateJSON
>
> I have a handler that checks for the local variable sJulianDateJSON to
> contain the returned data, then I use the current Julian date returned (the
> number of days since January 1, 4713 BC) to write and check on the current
> date and expiration dates.
>
> It seems to work well in on my computer and others in the USA, but a
> Windows tester in Costa Rica can’t seem to get a response. I haven’t
> figured out if this is a programming or Internet issue, and it’s difficult
> to determine since it works well for me on Mac and Windows.
>
>
>
> Would any of you test this small LC stack — in the USA or elsewhere? And
> send me results directly to my email address?
>
> https://artsinteractive-products.s3.amazonaws.com/
> MITA/Get_Julian_Date.livecode.zip  products.s3.amazonaws.com/MITA/Get_Julian_Date.livecode.zip>
>
> 1. Click “Get Julian Date”. If it works, it should show a number in the
> “Julian Date” field after a few seconds.
> 2. “Clear” resets the result fields
> 3. The top field “Try x times” can be set to a larger number if necessary.
> 4. If it works the “Send Email” will attempt to use your email client to
> email me the results.
>
>
> And… if anyone has a method that doesn’t rely on the user’s local
> date/time I’d like to hear that…
>
> Thanks!
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
> ArtsInteractive
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Re: Best way to store videos

2018-08-23 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
um... Peter.. streaming video is not just about having the storage space...
It's what the servers do to match up the devices calling with the
appropriate size and type file. Typically many versions of the same video
are created for each upload. The Vimeo and YouTube web apps handle all of
that.

Believe me I resisted for years and insisted on hosting my own video
content, but when the quality got to be HD for everyone, they dumped Flash®
and I figured out how one could turn off the ads, I was sold.

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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
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> Bill,
>
> You could also look at Amazon AWS S3 storage.
>
> It’s pretty much free for the first year. Then, depending on usage, could
> be only a few dollars a month.
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
>
> Videos could then be played directly in a Livecode player control, as well
> as on your website. One of the benefits of the LC player is that you can
> program events to happen in response to particular timings set in the
> video—callbacks. This is great for pedagogy—synchronized subtitles,
> comments, animations as a video (or audio) plays.
>
> Peter
>
> > On Aug 23, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > YouTube is great these days. If you take the time to become a verified
> > subscriber all the world will be revealed to you. They have many tools
> and
> > they re-written the whole thing, and it’s pretty good. It’s also free.
> You
> > can make playlists and decide what happens at the end, and add links and
> > other text.
> >
> > After you earn your stars and are good for a while they will give you
> these
> > privileges.
> >
> > And as far as video streaming, they actually appear to be the best. They
> > are so equipped with their mirror servers all over the world.
> >
> > I used to shun YouTube for several years because of their lower quality
> at
> > the time but now they’ve come up to do not only great serving but live
> > streaming as well.
> >
> > You can create extra users. And it has a better social features.
> >
> >  Vimeo streaming is still excellent but I like the extended distribution
> > that YouTube has.  And I have to pay over $100 a year to be able to
> upload
> > the quality I want quickly.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 12:20 Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> just fyi..you can disable to recommened videos in the embedd
> code..
> >> you can also detect via java script when the video ends. so you really
> have
> >> more control than you think.  just got to send script to the browser
> .
> >> "do in widget".
> >>
> >> I haven't done anything crazy ...but i know that there is more control
> than
> >> what is obvious at first.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM William Prothero via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks:
> >>> I have numerous videos that I would like to play on a wordpress web
> site,
> >>> and in livecode. I don’t want to host these on my own server for
> obvious
> >>> reasons of bandwidth, support for different browsers, etc.
> >>>
> >>> This is not a commercial project, but an educational software project
> >>> where I give it away for free. So, I would rather not pay, but I have
> >>> looked into Vimeo and the lowest rate of $7/mo could work. I’ve tried
> >>> YouTube and it has so many privacy issues. Also,  when the video ends
> it
> >>> displays unrelated material that would be distracting to students.
> >>>
> >>> I understand that any free service will probably want to grab users’
> info
> >>> for marketing. That’s the world we are in.
> >>>
> >>> Buuut.. do you have a strategy that you could recommend?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>> William A. Prothero
> >>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >>>
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Re: Best way to store videos

2018-08-23 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
 YouTube is great these days. If you take the time to become a verified
subscriber all the world will be revealed to you. They have many tools and
they re-written the whole thing, and it’s pretty good. It’s also free. You
can make playlists and decide what happens at the end, and add links and
other text.

After you earn your stars and are good for a while they will give you these
privileges.

And as far as video streaming, they actually appear to be the best. They
are so equipped with their mirror servers all over the world.

I used to shun YouTube for several years because of their lower quality at
the time but now they’ve come up to do not only great serving but live
streaming as well.

You can create extra users. And it has a better social features.

  Vimeo streaming is still excellent but I like the extended distribution
that YouTube has.  And I have to pay over $100 a year to be able to upload
the quality I want quickly.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 12:20 Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> just fyi..you can disable to recommened videos in the embedd code..
> you can also detect via java script when the video ends. so you really have
> more control than you think.  just got to send script to the browser .
> "do in widget".
>
> I haven't done anything crazy ...but i know that there is more control than
> what is obvious at first.
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Folks:
> > I have numerous videos that I would like to play on a wordpress web site,
> > and in livecode. I don’t want to host these on my own server for obvious
> > reasons of bandwidth, support for different browsers, etc.
> >
> > This is not a commercial project, but an educational software project
> > where I give it away for free. So, I would rather not pay, but I have
> > looked into Vimeo and the lowest rate of $7/mo could work. I’ve tried
> > YouTube and it has so many privacy issues. Also,  when the video ends it
> > displays unrelated material that would be distracting to students.
> >
> > I understand that any free service will probably want to grab users’ info
> > for marketing. That’s the world we are in.
> >
> > Buuut.. do you have a strategy that you could recommend?
> >
> > Best,
> > Bill
> >
> > William A. Prothero
> > http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >
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Re: editing & combining sound files?

2018-08-23 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
if you have a lot of files to convert, I'd go for using Livecode for "glue"
while making calls to SOX.
SOX can convert and move in one operation;

forget doing anything in Livecode with sound - the internals are not
equipped to be easy to manipulate.
I actually made an editor that could draw out an imbedded sound in a stack
and export to AIFF by moving binary blocks around and reconstructing the
headers and jump tables. There are several ambiguities in audio file
standards to make things messy, although the audio blocks of WAV and AIFF
files are almost identical. Look out for little and big endian variations,
etc.

SOX did everything I needed, including conversion to MP3.


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On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
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> Well, maybe some day I'll put the time in to study Geoff's and Tom's
> solutions. But, for future reference, below is my easier-for-me solution.
>
> First, use a sound-editor (Goldwave) to convert all AU files to RAW (i.e.,
> snd).
>
> Second, run this LC script to merge those converted files (interleaved with
> silence) into a new .snd file:
>
>  put URL "binfile:C:/the_path/faster/{file ID}.snd" into tNewSnd
>  put URL "binfile:C:/the_path/1_sec_silence.snd" after tNewSnd
>  put URL "binfile:C:/the_path/slow/{file ID}.snd" after tNewSnd
>  put tNewSnd into URL  "binfile:C:/the_path/CD/{file ID}.snd"
>
> Third, use the sound-editor again, this time to convert those new .snd
> files into .mp3.
>
> That's it. But if someone wants to post exact details of how to LC script
> what Geoff suggests, i.e., stripping headers from an .au (or any!) sound
> file type, I'm still all ears.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
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>
> On 23 August 2018 at 13:40, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > sox is good for this kind of stuff, you can automate the command-lines
> > using livecodebut you can skip some of the bs you would probably
> > encounter with LC and audio "processing".
> >
> > http://sox.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:30 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I did something very much like this way, way, way long ago (in the
> > MetaCard
> > > days...). I don't remember the sound format, and it was mono, not
> stereo,
> > > but it turned out that the format for the sound file was *really*
> > simple: a
> > > few bytes of easily-managed header, a bunch of binary data that
> > represented
> > > the sound file data, and a few bytes of footer.
> > >
> > > So the steps above would be roughly:
> > >
> > > 1. Read in the binary data from the sound file, strip the
> header/footer.
> > > 2. Figure out what the "silence" value is for that sound format,
> append a
> > > certain number of that value to the data.
> > > 3,4. Read in the binary data from the second file, strip the
> > header/footer
> > > and append to the data.
> > > 5. ??? Not sure how to do this. Instead, might add the appropriate
> > > header/footer and write out the data in the same format as the input
> > files.
> > > 6. Close the access to the original files.
> > >
> > > If MP3 isn't comprehensible, then you could bulk convert the resulting
> > > files from AU to MP3 using any number of tools.
> > >
> > > gc
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:14 PM Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello List,
> > > >
> > > > I wish to automate a repetitive (and tedious!) process that's now
> being
> > > > done manually using a sound-file editor (Goldwave).
> > > >
> > > > The process is:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Open an AU sound file.
> > > > 2. Append 1 second of silence to that file.
> > > > 3. Open a 2nd AU sound file.
> > > > 4. Copy and append that 2nd file to the 1st file.
> > > > 5. Save as MP3 with a new title that now-modified 1st file.
> > > > 6. Close that 1st file unmodified.
> > > > 7. [Repeat 1-6.]
> > > >
> > > > If this is possible (easily possible!) with LC, what LC commands
> ought
> > I
> > > be
> > > > studying/using?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks.
> > > >
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Re: Getting Started with DataGrid

2018-08-04 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
 Thank you for your service, Mr. slug.
I love your revolutionary spirit, and thank you for your contributions,
priceless on this list.

I’m blown away.

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 10:09 zryip theSlug via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear Swami,
>
> Thanks for your purchase.
>
>
> Yes I do have a real name and I do have a good reason to not share it
> publicly. When I came with the personnal challenge 8 years ago to create a
> commercial plugin, I was an employee and as a developper, my employment
> contract was containing a clause not allowing me to develop something like
> that.
> Now, even if I'm no longer a developer (my service was closed some years
> ago, and I failed to find a new job like the old one, because I have just
> no diploma in development, despite more than 10 years experience in
> different languages) my new employer not allowed me to cumulate salaries
> even if I might earn one dollar with an another activity. I asked and he
> was clear in his reply.
>
> So I don't know what rules you have in your countries, but these rules are
> real in mine and my risk is just to be fired. As I'm considering I'm free
> to do what I want during my free time and hobbies, to be sure this will
> never happen, you will never seen my real name anywhere.
>
> So I'm quite outlaw, free to do what I want (developping a commercial
> plugin during my free time, just because this was an old dream, a challenge
> and this is actually for me a way to continue to code for real users),
> using an odd nick name, which is well worth another.
>
> That's all the story behind this. Hope I have clarified this a bit.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Aloha "Zryip"
> >
> > At $45.00 (cheap) and with your own endorsement (knowing that it is
> > maintained)
> >
> > I'll get it!
> >
> > Brahmanathaswami
> >
> > Ps do you have a real name?
> >
> > On 8/2/18, 12:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of zryip theSlug via
> > use-livecode"  > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Swami,
> >
> > We have some free material about datagrids form or table.
> >
> > 1. A tutorial written long time ago before I created DGH, exploring
> the
> > very basic concepts of the datagrid control (form and table):
> > http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/3-tutorials
> >
> > 2. Some demo stacks created for demonstrating datagrid's
> possibilities
> > such
> > as drag and drop, calculation, etc
> > http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/4-lab
> >
> > 3. About your screenshot, a datagrid form will be your better option
> > in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > 4. And about Data Grid Helper, I can not answer objectively to your
> > question, for sure. All I can say is the tool has regular updates for
> > supporting the new versions of LiveCode. A new  major (nothing to do
> > with
> > our friend Klaus :) (I prefer to specify because he made me the joke
> > on the
> > livecode forum, haha :) )) 2.5 version has been released in June
> > supporting
> > dg2 properties, widgets, custom headers, etc. A blog article has been
> > published about it, with some available screenshots of the new
> > features:
> >
> https://livecode.com/data-grid-helper-2-5-adds-support-for-datagrid-2/
> >
> > Now, if someone in the List want to add a comment about DGH, positive
> > or
> > not, he / she is welcome. :)
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Getting Started with DataGrid

2018-08-02 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Names are merely abstractions.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 19:15 Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Aloha "Zryip"
>
> At $45.00 (cheap) and with your own endorsement (knowing that it is
> maintained)
>
> I'll get it!
>
> Brahmanathaswami
>
> Ps do you have a real name?
>
> On 8/2/18, 12:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of zryip theSlug via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Swami,
>
> We have some free material about datagrids form or table.
>
> 1. A tutorial written long time ago before I created DGH, exploring the
> very basic concepts of the datagrid control (form and table):
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/3-tutorials
>
> 2. Some demo stacks created for demonstrating datagrid's possibilities
> such
> as drag and drop, calculation, etc
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/4-lab
>
> 3. About your screenshot, a datagrid form will be your better option
> in my
> opinion.
>
> 4. And about Data Grid Helper, I can not answer objectively to your
> question, for sure. All I can say is the tool has regular updates for
> supporting the new versions of LiveCode. A new  major (nothing to do
> with
> our friend Klaus :) (I prefer to specify because he made me the joke
> on the
> livecode forum, haha :) )) 2.5 version has been released in June
> supporting
> dg2 properties, widgets, custom headers, etc. A blog article has been
> published about it, with some available screenshots of the new
> features:
> https://livecode.com/data-grid-helper-2-5-adds-support-for-datagrid-2/
>
> Now, if someone in the List want to add a comment about DGH, positive
> or
> not, he / she is welcome. :)
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

2018-08-02 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
follow the links.

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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:45 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:

> Hmmm. I want to see the "beautiful work" ?? that Randy has done...
>
> Brahmanathaswami
>
>
>  Stephen Barncard
>
> Beautiful work, Randy
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Re: OT: Looking for a new programming language?

2018-07-27 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
And does that violate the terms of service!?

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 19:18 Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
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> Ahaha… are you doing the LiveCode implementation?
>
> > On 28 Jul 2018, at 2:51 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "But why?
> > Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless)
> programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able to
> talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."
> >
> > https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
> > https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar
> >
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Re: OT: Looking for a new programming language?

2018-07-27 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
No! Not another name change!
I still remember Runtime Revolution

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>
> "But why?
> Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless)
> programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able
> to talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."
>
> https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
> https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

2018-07-25 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Beautiful work, Randy

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 16:19 Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> LC apps. I should have been more specific.
>
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>
> > On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype
> crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for
> you.
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS
> apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?
> >>
> >> be well,
> >> randy
> >> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
> >>>
> >>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally
> a
> >>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
> >>> upcoming release.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Panos
> >>> --
> >>>
>  On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, 
> wrote:
> 
>  I've been using 9.0.0.
> 
>  When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>  navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
> 
>  When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff
> like my
>  navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app
> launch.
> 
>  --Andrew Bell
> 
>  --
> 
> 
>  @Andrew thanks for checking.
> 
>  Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>  acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2
> might be
>  already fixed.
> 
>  Best,
>  Panos
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>  On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>   Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>  app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>  directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message)
> so I
>  had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>  (public beta 3) to test.
> 
>   I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first
> place:
>    1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app
> (between
>  the openStack and openCard it seems)
>    2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>  card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
> 
>   I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>  #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into
> this!
> 
>   --Andrew Bell
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Re: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

2018-07-25 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
lose the quotes inside the brackets??

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <
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> Hi Bernd,
>
> Unfortunately when I tried your code the copies referred back to the
> original.
>
> best wishes
>
> Simon
> > On 25 Jul 2018, at 13:22, BNig via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control
> uses
> > to the custom controls.
> > then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two
> images
> > "greenRound" and "redQMark"
> >
> > on newGroup
> >   resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
> >   if it is not empty then
> >  set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
> >   end if
> >   resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
> >   if it is not empty then
> >  set the icon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
> >   end if
> > end newGroup
> >
> > "NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
> > That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into
> a
> > new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Bernd
> >
> > That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
> > can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.
> >
> >
> > Simon Knight via use-livecode wrote
> >> Hi Scott,
> >>
> >> Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have
> >> been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my “hints and
> tips”
> >> document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow
> to
> >> know.
> >>
> >> To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses
> >> two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the
> control
> >> in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be
> >> used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the
> >> buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this
> >> because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video
> some
> >> years ago and I know no better.
> >>
> >> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
> >> components stored in different locations and they may well become
> >> separated sometime in the future.
> >> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
> >> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and
> Mark
> >> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
> >> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
> >> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
> >> realise that one answer might be “write a widget” but I don’t really
> want
> >> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to
> recreate
> >> a control that I already have.
> >>
> >> I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I
> did
> >> not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can
> >> learn.
> >>
> >> Thanks again and best wishes
> >>
> >> Simon
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font

2018-07-25 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
"Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?"

I could see how 'conveyor belt' could be easily lost in translation.

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, with iPhone and our USB scanners we are able to scan that “wider”
> bars, but i am not sure the highspeed scanners of the carrier can.
> The packages are scanned by  high speed scanners while they are carried
> and sorted on a“tractor tapes”. Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?
>
> If the thermal transfer labels are accepted by the carrier then i will
> add an option for the user to switch between laser and thermal printing.
> The app will use different settings for laser and thermal printing.
> So in case the TT printer is broken, they can switch over the laser
> printer.
>
>
>
> > Am 24.07.2018 um 00:01 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, does printed barcodes from the laserwriter still work
> with these settings?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 22, 2018, at 14:18 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have to add something.
> >>
> >> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true
> as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
> >>
> >> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code
> cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> >> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to
> increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear
> ones.
> >>
> >> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels
> with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
> >>
> >> put “3" into tNarrow
> >> put “6" into tWide
> >> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
> >> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
> >> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
> >> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Matthias Rebbe
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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

2018-07-11 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list
> with reasons why:
>
> 1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL"
> 10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
>I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface is
> a lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;
>and I like coloured icons.
>
> 2. Obsolete.
>
> 2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 and
> saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
> 2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 polycarbonate
> iMac.
> 2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and
> Dad gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
> 2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006
> Intel polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
>  flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of
> the iMac.
> 2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when
> programming with LiveCode.
> 2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver content
> reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
>  via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 12
> years old.
> 2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow
> children to have fun remotely programming various floor robots
>  via Bluetooth.
> 2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second
> monitor as my "main man" for almost everything.
>
> 2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present
> when he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
> for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum and
> too much bother.
>
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my
> great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).
>
> 2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for
> Aquascutum in 1972.
>
> 2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel cover
> of a 1932 Fordson tractor made for
>   me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.
>
> 3. Upgrade.
>
> I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.
>
> 4. Update.
>
> quod erat demonstrandum
>
> 4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day .
> . .
>
> As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if
> that new thing will allow you to a vast number of things
> that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who
>> firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a
>> device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer
>> device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current
>> software. But a third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a
>> device can no longer perform it's function for which it was obtained.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware
>>> obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently
>>> their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>
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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

2018-07-10 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
In the end Hacks require creation of a boot rom from unsupported sources.
Copyright?
it's also a bit of work.



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On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <
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> Ah... I feel your pain... Of course, a little bird has told me that the
> "HackIntosh" approach is WAY cheaper than original Apple hardware and
> "rumor" has it that such implementations run up to High Sierra perfectly on
> ridiculously inexpensive platforms.  Naturally, these are all just vicious
> rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share
> ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never
> heard it from me!  Apple rules!
>
> Douglas Ruisaard
> Trilogy Software
> (250) 573-3935
>
> > Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > "elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts:
> >
> > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
> upgraded above 10.7.5
> >
> > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> > On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that
> matter), could you elucidate on the
> > specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which
> systems YOU employ which are not
> > compatible with LC v9...
> > >
> > > If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities
> regarding LC v9, other than those
> > listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would
> appreciate knowing about them and
> > have them encapsulated in one place.
> > >
> > > Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or
> reported bugs?
> > >
> > > Douglas Ruisaard
> > > Trilogy Software
> > > (250) 573-3935
> > >
> > >> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix
> > >> this problem for those of us confined to systems that cannot work
> with LC 9.
> > >>
> > >> Richmond.
> > >>
> > >> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-dae...@meg.on-rev.com wrote:
> > >>> Panos Merakos  changed bug 19998
> > >>> 
> > >>> What  Removed Added
> > >>> StatusAWAITING_RELEASERESOLVED
> > >>> Resolution--- FIXED
> > >>>
> > >>> *Comment # 5 
> > >>> on bug 19998 
> > >>> from Panos Merakos  * Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Panos
> > >
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Re: Tessellated hexagonal grid?

2018-06-27 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
"If I pretend I am a flat-earther, and that the earth I live on is
hexagonal, I want all those people who are
silly enough to believe that the world is spherical to fall off the
hexagonal earth at the vertices of the hexagon,
and not the vertices of some other polygonal shape that encloses my
hexagonal earth that's vertices are
not completely congruent with that hexagon.
​"

!!!
This concept should be in the constitution of every country in the world.
If they have one.

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On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> One of the problems about any polygonal shape in LiveCode is that it still
> subsists inside a square/rectangle.
>
> That might seem like a crashingly obvious remark until one starts to
> consider how squares and how hexagons tesselate.
>
> And, even more to the point, how the human brain (and, face facts, most of
> the time we are likely to be dealing
> with either a square or hexagonal grid on a computer is because we want to
> "fool" humans into believing that
> what the screen presents them with is a square or hexagonal grid with all
> the functionality and meaning of
> square or hexagonal grids in the real world).
>
> If I pretend I am a flat-earther, and that the earth I live on is
> hexagonal, I want all those people who are
> silly enough to believe that the world is spherical to fall off the
> hexagonal earth at the vertices of the hexagon,
> and not the vertices of some other polygonal shape that encloses my
> hexagonal earth that's vertices are
> not completely congruent with that hexagon.
>
> I'm messing around with hexagons right now, and will post some of my
> thoughts in the Forum.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
> On 27/6/2018 1:42 pm, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the responses regarding hexes.
>>
>> I had already worked through the ‘redblobgames’ resources, and it was the
>> prospect of trying to implement a hex system in Livecode which was the
>> gotcha.
>>
>> The frustrating thing is that the polygon object displays a nice
>> scaleable hex - and yet it seems this is not a viable route?  Why would SVG
>> be any better?  (thats not a lament or rhetorical question, I would be very
>> interested to know)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> David Glasgow
>>
>> On 27 Jun 2018, at 10:30 am, hh via use-livecode <
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>>> Here a rather complete guide to the "theory" with a link
>>> to implementation guides for several programming languages,
>>> especially, close to LC, JavaScript.
>>>
>>> https://www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/
>>>
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-27 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Sean, with all due respect, Monte probably has a deal with livecode that
enables him to retain ownership of his rights to his code that he wrote in
return for whatever deal he has with livecode.

Wouldn’t you?

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 09:41 Pi Digital via use-livecode <
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> Thanks for the clarification, Monte.
>
> But just to clarify in return (respectfully), when I spoke of IDE changes
> I was specifically referring to the Project Browser (omitted from your
> quote). As the greatest extent of items within the IDE that need fixing are
> GUI with the majority of their code within their respective stacks. I’d
> started on the project browser back n it’s early days but quickly got shut
> down by two of LCs former coders. I even created a stack comparator but
> they weren’t interested (surprisingly).
>
> I appreciate, though, that google had been a bit rubbish at notifying,
> mainly because they relied mostly on notifying when people logged in but
> our API had silent mode on so we never heard. In my defence however, oAuth
> and similar have been under review by every provider for the last three
> years due to security, so perhaps having looked during those years for
> anything that uses oAuth or similar to ensure they are up to date. Now is
> probably a good opportunity to check all of the other ones.
>
> I hope this doesn’t touch a nerve, but why hasn’t the mergext stuff been
> set as open source also. This would be useful to the community with regards
> building extensions for LiveCode (similar to the new sockets library).
>
> > All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source
>
> And then we just need to wait several months potentially before that fix
> sees the light of day. Not helpful!
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
> > On 27 May 2018, at 02:11, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sean
> >
> > It is a relief to hear from you. I’m sorry if you were weirded out by
> the help offered. I have struggled in the past to swallow my pride and just
> accept help when I need it. Last year dealing with Rebecca’s cancer was a
> humbling experience for me in this regard.
> >
> > Anyway, there’s a few points I thought it might be helpful to clarify
> for yourself and others below.
> >
> >> Due to various security risks,
> >> Google had decided to deprecate the use of webviews for authenticating
> >> oAuth entry.
> >
> > Although this may appear to be blame shifting I’d like to point out that
> when Dropbox dropped API v1 they sent a number of emails allowing us to get
> prepared to offer something for v2. Google’s little note at the bottom of a
> page you don’t really look for little notes on really didn’t help that much
> clearly.
> >
> >> Despite being distributed as part of LC, mergext is
> >> not open source so can’t be repaired by any of us.
> >
> > All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source.
> >
> >> which
> >> we can’t fix easily because it’s part of the ide and they won’t accept
> ide
> >> amendments due to the fact it can’t be checked and compared using
> >> GitHub!!!
> >
> > If the issue is in a script only stack which most things are in the IDE
> then we do accept contributions.
> >
> >> Looking at the latest LC8 release, the ‘fix’ Monte did for mergGoogle
> >> hasn’t been added in. It’s hardly working let alone ‘Stable’ then, is
> it!!
> >
> > This is the main point I wanted to clarify. When I heard of your
> situation I stopped doing the work I had been assigned and started working
> on a fix for you. Doing it as quick as I could meant breaking the mac cross
> compilation so I built for iOS, ensured it worked and posted a link for you
> (or anyone else to access it). So that leaves on the todo list before it
> becomes part of the main distribution for me to fix the mac build, have it
> reviewed by another member of the team and included in the main bundle of
> mergExt builds we include in the distribution. In the meantime we have a
> build that works for those that need it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
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Re: WTF Worldpay?

2018-05-17 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Worldpay is a nightmare with every use. I thought Livecode dropped them.
Really annoying.

I finally had to set up a 'verified by visa' account for second level
testing.
really annoying as I've bought all kinds of software from EU without the
third degree.

Didn't LC implement PayPal finally?

sqb

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> Still won't accept my credit cards.
> Is this a brexit thing?
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Re: How to dismiss keyboard on mobile

2018-05-10 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
I've been struggling with this dilemma for years. thanks

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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:29 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> It's not something you would put in a field. Focus on nothing is something
> you send to lose focus on any object that currently has the focuw.
>
> For instance, you have a field which calls a validation function upon
> closeField. You have a button that saves the information in the field
> somewhere. At least on MacOS, clicking the button does NOT cause the field
> to lose focus, because on MacOS a button cannot HAVE the focus. Hence your
> validation script will never trigger, and you might save bad data.
>
> So in the mouseUp handler of the button, the first line could be focus on
> nothing. This will trigger the closeField message of the field and execute
> your validation script.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On May 10, 2018, at 07:28 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > on returnInField
> >   focus on nothing
> > end returninfield
> >
> > # when I put that into field itself: does nothing:
> > # on android I get a carriage return in the field on hitting returnkey
> >
> > maybe it has to do with what Jacqueline said "
> >
> > "These are just messages that the engine sends when the focus changes,
> > they don't control the field themselves. As mentioned, "focus on
> > nothing" is the command that does the actual work."
> >
> > But I would rather they don't have to click another control, other than
> the return key while inside the field itself
> >
> > BR
> >
> >
> >
> >That is what I do whenever I need a closeField or exitField to
> trigger on a currently entered field before running off and doing things.
> focus on nothing is what you want.
> >
> >Bob S
> >
> >
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Re: Has Anyone Got A Directory \"Walker\" Available

2018-05-06 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
there's actually a directory walker search one can use in a shell command
 on mac that is quite speedy...

let me report back.

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> Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:
>
> > I wonder if shelling out to DIR on Windows and LS on Linux/Mac
> > wouldn’t be the fastest option…
>
> Maybe, but there's overhead in setting up the shell session.
>
> Even if it's measurably faster, I would be surprised if it were noticeably
> faster.
>
> Anything that depends on touching the disk with each call is likely to be
> far more I/O-bound than CPU-bound.
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
You can recover from this.

There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.

Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
thing working.
Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
work in the first place...

personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.


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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
>
> Bye
>
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >
> > If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
> > in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> > occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
> > is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
> > and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
> > and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> of
> > the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> > industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> > beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> given
> > us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >
> > Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> > hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> > compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
> > whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> stay
> > on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> At
> > present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> > wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
> > at what needs to be updated.
> >
> > Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
> > a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
> > this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
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Re: Random Data Generator

2018-05-02 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
was this excellent service "done in livecode"   ??

there was a pause while something loaded...

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> Ever had the need to generate random data for a database demonstration or
> other things?
>
> https://www.generatedata.com/
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

2018-04-09 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Teleconferencing is NOT a telephone function.

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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Teleconferencing is a phone function, not a web or file server. The
> agreement with the ISP is that you do not try to run a business grade
> server out of your home without paying for a business grade internet
> connection. I do not think they necessarily are monitoring your traffic to
> try to catch you in the act, although if you used an inordinate amount of
> bandwidth consistently each month, that might raise some red flags.
> Otherwise entities would put their file and mail servers in their
> bathrooms, and who is stupid enough to do that?? ;-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:11 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Teleconferencing and working from home has changed these dynamics. At
> what
> > point does a teleconference with 5 people not 'look' like a "server" to
> the
> > ISP?
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

2018-04-06 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Teleconferencing and working from home has changed these dynamics. At what
point does a teleconference with 5 people not 'look' like a "server" to the
ISP?

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On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> It means that you probably have a 10/10 (up down) internet connection. You
> are getting the bandwidth reported, which is theoretically what is
> currently left after everything else currently sending and receiving on
> that link. If you don't have anything being served up, I'd be concerned
> about your up speed.
>
> Most residential internet services have in the contract that you will not
> use the connection for business purposes (at least in the US). That is why
> most residential services are asynchronous (not the same up speed as down
> speed). If you are not serving anything up to the internet, you don't need
> very much up bandwidth, and if you are not running a business, you
> shouldn't really be services anything up.
>
> HTH
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:49 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Over 'here' in "naughty" Bulgaria where I have the cheapest internet
> package available
> > I found that LC 9.0 for Linux took 3 minutes to download . . . and that
> was absolutely fine.
> >
> > Ookla says that my download rate is 10.78 Mbps and my upload rate is
> 6.28 Mbps,
> > which is super because I don't understand what those magic numbers mean.
> >
> > Richmond.
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Re: any tricks to make SHELL non blocking?

2018-02-06 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Mike Bonner:  I'll try the Open Process suggestion you made - again with
more syntax variations this time. thanks!

Dr Hawkins - I don't have control over the name of the CD source file..

1 Audio Track.aiff

the OS demuxes the data on the CD and gives them generic names.
surely there must be a way to encapsulate URL strings properly to use
spaces and hyphens.  Do I have to add the escapes manually using lookups
and exceptions?

the folder names are no big deal to fix, but I've got a library of hundreds
of shows where I already use hyphens and have been successfully imported..

Dr Hawkins:  when you say "escape spaces" do you mean something like

\%20

or

\[actual space char]

  ?

I only care about this working on Macs, by the way.
This is just an ugly thing that saves me time in a huge archive project.
The UI sucks, but it's all just for me.
This "app" I've created allows me to save keystrokes in the process of:

0. assign a name to the performance, type in a field (I avoid spaces but
there are hyphens - I could use underscores I guess but they look so ugly -
perhaps I can 'get away' with those on a mac.
1. taking a picture of the CD, cover and contents and saving as a file
 (using oss imagesnap and a webcam)
 (I would have used a flatbed scanner but I couldn't find a useable oss
executable and scanning and loading is slower )
2. importing the first CD file after it is inserted, converting it to WAV
from AIF, and saving it with with the chosen name. (using ffmpeg)
3. create a folder with the chosen names and put the like named files (
with .png and .wav suffixes ) in that folder. (using Livecode)

metadata (like song titles) could be put into a .txt file in that folder
later. I plan a bot that will send samples to a Grace Note like service to
harvest song titles.

My idea is that the file structure and meta ARE the database and a data
listing could be created from that structure 'just in time'. This is
important in an archive that is rapidly getting added to or changed (like
filenames !!) and makes more sense to me that having to enter and update a
separate database. The archive is limited enough in items that speed is not
an issue.

this has taken the process from taking three separate apps (including the
dreaded iTunes and Photobooth?? ) and dozens of clicks, cut and paste names
etc.) and lots of typing to a single entity where I only have to enter that
name ONCE. And iTunes import and convert took 10 minutes for a 60 minute
piece - whereas ffmpeg takes only 2:15.   I can do a turnaround within 4
minutes now.

thanks for the tip on quotes and backquotes.

but like I said, the commands do work when I don't try to  release control
to the calling script after the external executable is started.

The lack of being able to do this is NOT a show stopper. Livecode has been
able to let me create this monster kluge in very little development time
and it works.



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> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
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> >
> > > (./ffmpeg -i '/Volumes/Audio CD/1 Audio Track.aiff' '/Volumes/20160518
> > KJAZ
> > > ARCHIVE MASTER/JULY - JAN 2017/20040315-2-JD0211b.wav' &)
> >
>
> double quotes cause evaluation (for shell variables?), back quote (`)
> causes contents to execute.  You seem to be using ', which is a literal.
>
> Oh, I see.
>
> You have *SPACES* in file names.
>
> This *ALWAYS* leads to suffering.
>
> Quoting a filename does not make it ok; it's still multiple words. If you
> want to keep such evil names, you'll have to escape those spaces with \
>  (backslash).
>
> A better idea is to get all the spaces out of filenames.  I only allow
> letters, dot, and underscore.
>
> You also have hyphens, which have meaning on some operating systems.
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