Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I can't take credit, I first saw Ken Ray do it. On 7/12/17 3:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Brilliant as usual. Bob S On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: And since we are look at usability of the script editor and

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I can't take credit, I first saw Ken Ray do it. On 7/12/17 3:05 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Brilliant as usual. Bob S On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: And since we are look at usability of the script editor and

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 7/12/17 2:36 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: * In UX circles they bandy about "80% of users never change preference settings" so often it's usually taken for granted, but this morning as I noted that above I wondered about the actual research behind it. Of course that rubric

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread hh via use-livecode
> RG wrote: > I would caution against adding more stuff to the Prefs window, for > reasons too lengthy to indulge in here. The new stuff could replace "Compatibility" (and "Updates" could be replaced with one link to downloads.livecode.com). ___

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Brilliant as usual. Bob S > On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:40 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > >> And since we are look at usability of the script editor and add ons I would >> LOVE to have the ability to show "sections" in my scripts >> I think it was

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Terry Judd via use-livecode
On 13/07/2017 2:56 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" wrote: I would caution against adding more stuff to the Prefs window, for reasons too lengthy to indulge in here.

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 7/12/17 7:56 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > > for reasons too lengthy to indulge in here. > > > Please could you indulge in them somewhere so we can understand your > argument fully. For future readers to better understand my reply here, it may be

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 7/12/17 9:26 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: And since we are look at usability of the script editor and add ons I would LOVE to have the ability to show "sections" in my scripts I think it was years ago, or maybe even nowin GLX? anyway, Jerry Daniels had that, where

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Kevin Miller wrote: > We are working hard to attract new users to the platform. This has > come up again and again in user testing. This evening we tested this > new handler list on new users for the first time. It went over very > well. It does indeed seem very helpful, but even better to hear

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
On 7/12/17 7:56 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: for reasons too lengthy to indulge in here. Please could you indulge in them somewhere so we can understand your argument fully. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Terry Judd wrote: > I’ve just had a quick play with the enhanced script editor and these > all seem like good suggestions to me, and in the script editor pane of > the preferences window I’d allow the user to (i) hide/show the list of > available common handlers and (ii) hide/show included

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
My feedback is here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=29487 including soundings from kids on my summer course. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi all, Thank you for the feedback. I am afraid that all those useful suggestions will be buried in the use-list, so I have filed an enhancement request that summarizes the most common suggestions about improving the default handlers as discussed here.

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
I had almost the same sense as Mark on this. Distracting at first, but no really in the And since we are look at usability of the script editor and add ons I would LOVE to have the ability to show "sections" in my scripts I think it was years ago, or maybe even nowin GLX? anyway, Jerry

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Configurable would be great, because that would be the start of having Macros, and having those macros be configurable, and having them be able to do things like using the hilited text to build a structure On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
This feature in general is a good idea. But - make it more visible that those handler are not current handler of the script, e.g. grey out that list - allow a bigger space between the script handler and the handler list - show this list by default, so new users see that list by default, but

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I'm going to show this version to "my" kids this afternoon . . . Richmond. On 7/12/17 1:12 am, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote: I have played a bit with the enhanced script editor and while I like the idea with the handler lists I am not sure that the implementation is as good as it could

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
"We are working hard to attract new users" . . . Well that feature certainly should make things quite a bit easier! Richmond. On 7/12/17 1:07 am, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Is it something perhaps you could get used to? We are working hard to attract new users to the platform. This

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
That's not a bad idea: to turn on/off this feature in the preferences. Richmond. On 7/12/17 1:05 am, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote: Matthias Rebbe +49 5741 31 ‌matthiasrebbe.eu ‌ A new feature in the script editor has been added, this is the ability to

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I think that this new feature is really wonderful; especially as new users of LiveCode won't have to wait (like I did) for 5 years to find out about "MouseEnter" :) Richmond. On 7/12/17 12:52 am, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote: H Richmond, Thanks for the feedback. The default

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Paul Hibbert via use-livecode
Configurable sounds like a great idea to me too. I’d like to see a more defined break from the regular handlers if that’s possible. Also there is a Typo - PasteKey in the Field script is missing the “P” - it just states asteKey, I wondered what that was! :) Paul > On Jul 11, 2017, at 8:01

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 07/11/2017 03:07 PM, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Is it something perhaps you could get used to? We are working hard to attract new users to the platform. This has come up again and again in user testing. This evening we tested this new handler list on new users for the first time.

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I'd vote for this, a configurable option would make everyone happy. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On July 11, 2017 5:38:43 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Terry Judd via use-livecode
I’ve just had a quick play with the enhanced script editor and these all seem like good suggestions to me, and in the script editor pane of the preferences window I’d allow the user to (i) hide/show the list of available common handlers and (ii) hide/show included comments on their

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread hh via use-livecode
Very good: The idea and also all the refinement proposals. It would also be great if the prototypes were editable. Bad: Some of the prototypes use protected names like "filename" as parameters. So they don't compile ... ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Tore Nilsen via use-livecode
Just to make my points a bit clearer, here is a list of what enhancements to the handler list I think will be helpful: 1. Put the list in a menu/scrolling list field above the current list showing actual handlers in the script 2. Label this menu/list clearly as “Common handlers” to make sure

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
On 11/07/2017 23:07, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Is it something perhaps you could get used to? We are working hard to attract new users to the platform. This has come up again and again in user testing. This evening we tested this new handler list on new users for the first time. It

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Tore Nilsen via use-livecode
I have played a bit with the enhanced script editor and while I like the idea with the handler lists I am not sure that the implementation is as good as it could be. I find it a bit confusing to see a list of handlers in the handler list without any actual handlers in the script itself. From

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Is it something perhaps you could get used to? We are working hard to attract new users to the platform. This has come up again and again in user testing. This evening we tested this new handler list on new users for the first time. It went over very well. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Matthias Rebbe +49 5741 31 ‌matthiasrebbe.eu ‌ > > > A new feature in the script editor has been added, this is the ability to > choose from a list of default handlers to add to the object script. I am not sure if i like this new handler list. At least at that

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
H Richmond, Thanks for the feedback. The default handlers appear exactly as they are in the dictionary. Indeed, the mouseUp handler for example does take a parameter (see dictionary). If you don't need to do different things in the mouseUp handler depending on the , you can just ignore it

Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I am impressed with the new default handler list . . . BUT . . . I wonder why, on choosing either mouseDown or mouseUp it prompts me for a mouseButton number . . . if this feature is meant to speed things up, it doesn't, as one normally spends time choosing the default handler and then

[ANN] Release 8.1.6 RC-1

2017-07-11 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-1. Getting the Release === You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via the automatic updater. Release Contents LiveCode 8.1.6 RC-1 contains 32 bug