Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[axwald via use-livecode]

Hi.

Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote
> LOL. That's an utterly bizarre workflow, but I'm glad it works.
> I'm filing that away somewhere if I ever have to record the screen on 
> Windows.

That's actually the most nasty method I ever read of. You may as well:
1. Press "Print" on your keyboard, open your favorite imagining program, and
"paste".
2. On a up-to-date Windows, Go "Start", choose "Snip & Sketch" in the
alphabetical program list, and use this for a custom size screenshot.
(On older versions there's a "Snipping Tool" ...)
3. Go to the  MS store

  
and choose one among the many free screenshot tools ;-)

Have fun! (axwald @ forums.livecode.com)




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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 8/12/19 7:29 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Mark Wieder wrote:

 > A stack's breakpoints are stored in the cREVGeneral["breakpoints"] of
 > the stack itself...

When did this happen?  IIRC for most of MC/LC's life the breakpoints 
were an engine-level stack property.




"the breakpoints" is indeed a system property.
But the red-dot breakpoints are stored as stack properties. They're 
picked up and added to the breakpoints when a script is being executed. 
But the temporary breakpoints, the breakpoint states, and the breakpoint 
conditions all travel with the stack.


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Mark Wieder wrote:

> A stack's breakpoints are stored in the cREVGeneral["breakpoints"] of
> the stack itself...

When did this happen?  IIRC for most of MC/LC's life the breakpoints 
were an engine-level stack property.


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 8/12/19 10:41 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

On 8/12/19 8:32 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Switching to hard coded "breakpoint"
It a tricking thing "clearing" those


I sometimes use Matthias' method but since the crash report I've started 
marking my breakpoints with a special comment like this:


    breakpoint --###

Then I can use the SE search to find them all and replace them with 
empty, or comment them out.




PowerDebug goes a couple of steps further down that road:

breakpoint
normal breakpoint (breaks into debugger)

breakpoint #trace
tracepoint (logs environment and continues executing)

breakpoint #
conditional breakpoint (this needs an explanation)

setDebugThresholdTo "hello"
breakpoint #hello (will break into the debugger)
breakpoint #goodbye (will be ignored - threshold doesn't match)

https://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerDebug.lc

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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

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On 8/12/19 1:19 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:


Sometimes it works beautifully at each breakpoint the script stops. other times 
it doesn’t stop at all or stops only at open scripts. Also I have the problems 
of not being able to always delete the red dots.  In a bit more detail here is 
my experience.


A stack's breakpoints are stored in the cREVGeneral["breakpoints"] of 
the stack itself as a cr-separated list as:


objectID, lineNumber
where objectID=0 for the stack itself.

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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

There was a post earlier where someone mentioned that Panos is onto this one 
and is looking into it. 

Bob S


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 13:19 , Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just got used to the flakiness of the red dot breakpoints so adapted my 
> workflow with workarounds to use them.
> When I am debugging I want to follow through different objects that the 
> script jumps to.  I have the red breakpoints in the different objects, i.e. 
> Button -> group-> card-> firstLibrary stack -> second library stack.
> Sometimes it works beautifully at each breakpoint the script stops. other 
> times it doesn’t stop at all or stops only at open scripts. Also I have the 
> problems of not being able to always delete the red dots.  In a bit more 
> detail here is my experience.
> 
>   1. Red Dot Breakpoints don’t trigger.  Here are some situations where 
> this happens and my workaround process.
>   - If my script is not open in the editor -> Open the script
>   - my script is open in the editor but not in the open tab -> 
> Open the tab
>   - my script is open (and still break points do not trigger - 
> Double Click in the script and make sure the text cursor is flashing in the 
> text.
>   - if still does not open. -> close the script editor and open 
> scripts again. (I haven’t really had to quit LiveCode to get them working 
> again)
> 
>   2. Can’t delete Red Dot Breakpoints by clicking.  I am trying to  do 
> this either while running through  a script or not. Some times it works, 
> sometimes not.  Here are some ways I try to resolve it
>   -don’t click right on the dot but just to the right over the 
> number
>   - if trying to remove breakpoint while script is running
>   - don’t try to remove while script is not the line with 
> the red dot(although it works sometimes.)
>   - step forward one line and then try breakpoint again.
>   - wait till script is stopped.
>   - switch to other tab and back.
>   - close script editor and reopen.  (I haven’t really 
> had to quit LiveCode to get them working again)
> 
> It will be great if this can get worked out.
> 
> Martin

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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

I just got used to the flakiness of the red dot breakpoints so adapted my 
workflow with workarounds to use them.
When I am debugging I want to follow through different objects that the script 
jumps to.  I have the red breakpoints in the different objects, i.e. Button -> 
group-> card-> firstLibrary stack -> second library stack.
Sometimes it works beautifully at each breakpoint the script stops. other times 
it doesn’t stop at all or stops only at open scripts. Also I have the problems 
of not being able to always delete the red dots.  In a bit more detail here is 
my experience.

1. Red Dot Breakpoints don’t trigger.  Here are some situations where 
this happens and my workaround process.
- If my script is not open in the editor -> Open the script
- my script is open in the editor but not in the open tab -> 
Open the tab
- my script is open (and still break points do not trigger - 
Double Click in the script and make sure the text cursor is flashing in the 
text.
- if still does not open. -> close the script editor and open 
scripts again. (I haven’t really had to quit LiveCode to get them working again)

2. Can’t delete Red Dot Breakpoints by clicking.  I am trying to  do 
this either while running through  a script or not. Some times it works, 
sometimes not.  Here are some ways I try to resolve it
-don’t click right on the dot but just to the right over the 
number
- if trying to remove breakpoint while script is running
- don’t try to remove while script is not the line with 
the red dot(although it works sometimes.)
- step forward one line and then try breakpoint again.
- wait till script is stopped.
- switch to other tab and back.
- close script editor and reopen.  (I haven’t really 
had to quit LiveCode to get them working again)

It will be great if this can get worked out.

Martin


> On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's a display bug. Quit LC, relaunch, watchpoint gone. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:29 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm... I did have a watch point set... I will clear all my breakpoints and 
>> see what happens. 
>> 
>> Bob S

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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 8/12/19 8:32 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Switching to hard coded "breakpoint"
It a tricking thing "clearing" those


I sometimes use Matthias' method but since the crash report I've started 
marking my breakpoints with a special comment like this:


   breakpoint --###

Then I can use the SE search to find them all and replace them with 
empty, or comment them out.


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

> Switching to hard coded "breakpoint"
> It a tricking thing "clearing" those

Currently i am doing it this way.

At the first line of a script i have   "put TRUE into tDebug"

and my breakpoints are set this way.

"if tDebug then breakpoint"

If i don´t want them  to be active anymore i change the first line.


Matthias





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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I've been debugging code and "fell" into old habit of using "red dot 
breakpoints"
 -- crashing every 10 minutes! No recipe...

I guess I don't need to report this, but just saying "it a real pain" 

Switching to hard coded "breakpoint"
It a tricking thing "clearing" those

BR

J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" 

Panos has diagnosed at least part of the problem. It has to do with red dot 
breakpoints. Using the breakpoint command instead may (will?) avoid the 
crash.

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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Well interestingly, after clearing all my breakpoints, I have not had one CTD 
in 2 hours! Yeah, I think Panos is on to something. It explains also why the 
standalones I build are not crashing in the same way. 

Bob S


> On Aug 2, 2019, at 09:02 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That sounds related somehow. On Mac, you're more apt to get a crash rather 
> than just a visual glitch. What happens if you use the Developer menu to 
> clear all breakpoints? Same thing?
> 
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> On August 2, 2019 10:34:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

That sounds related somehow. On Mac, you're more apt to get a crash rather 
than just a visual glitch. What happens if you use the Developer menu to 
clear all breakpoints? Same thing?


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On August 2, 2019 10:34:08 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:



It's a display bug. Quit LC, relaunch, watchpoint gone.

Bob S


On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:29 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Hmmm... I did have a watch point set... I will clear all my breakpoints and 
see what happens.


Bob S


On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:26 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Panos has diagnosed at least part of the problem. It has to do with red dot 
breakpoints. Using the breakpoint command instead may (will?) avoid the crash.

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On August 1, 2019 4:22:57 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It's a display bug. Quit LC, relaunch, watchpoint gone. 

Bob S


> On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:29 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm... I did have a watch point set... I will clear all my breakpoints and 
> see what happens. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:26 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Panos has diagnosed at least part of the problem. It has to do with red dot 
>> breakpoints. Using the breakpoint command instead may (will?) avoid the 
>> crash.
>> --
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>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 1, 2019 4:22:57 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Well I just discovered a new bug! I cannot delete a watch point. Richt-click 
delete nothing happens. 

Bob S


> On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:29 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm... I did have a watch point set... I will clear all my breakpoints and 
> see what happens. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:26 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Panos has diagnosed at least part of the problem. It has to do with red dot 
>> breakpoints. Using the breakpoint command instead may (will?) avoid the 
>> crash.
>> --
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>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On August 1, 2019 4:22:57 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hmmm... I did have a watch point set... I will clear all my breakpoints and see 
what happens. 

Bob S


> On Aug 2, 2019, at 08:26 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Panos has diagnosed at least part of the problem. It has to do with red dot 
> breakpoints. Using the breakpoint command instead may (will?) avoid the crash.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 1, 2019 4:22:57 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Panos has diagnosed at least part of the problem. It has to do with red dot 
breakpoints. Using the breakpoint command instead may (will?) avoid the crash.

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On August 1, 2019 4:22:57 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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Hi all. Just letting everyone know I am crashing to desktop in 9.5.0 
"stable" (LOL) about very 10 minutes now. No bueno. Going back to 9.0.5.


Bob S


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[JJS via use-livecode]

Ok strange, i almost never have a crash. I had once, and made a bug 
report a time ago, it was when the message box open and the message 
watcher. I thought it was fixed back then.


Sometimes it hangs when pushing to device with test, but that's probably 
due to a wacky usb cable and it looses a command or so.


Op 2-8-2019 om 16:36 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

It depends. Sometimes debugging stepping through code. Hovering over a variable to see 
it's value. Other times just working in my app. Recently I have been adding files to the 
database. I have a method where I drag files from the Finder onto a button or field, and 
import the files as binary data into a table in a mySQL database. Sometimes it's in the 
process of finding a record to attach the files to, like a "device" record for 
a particular site and customer. I can do this for 15 minutes  and then the next time 
doing exactly the same thing, I crash to desktop. All versions of Community from 9.0.4 to 
9.5 are doing it.

Not sure what a screen capture would accomplish. The windows disappear, I get 
an error dialog. I have already posted the crash log from one of the CTDs on 
the QCC site.

Bob S



On Aug 1, 2019, at 14:26 , JJS via use-livecode  
wrote:

what are you doing, or what is running when that happens?

Op 1-8-2019 om 23:21 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

Hi all. Just letting everyone know I am crashing to desktop in 9.5.0 "stable" 
(LOL) about very 10 minutes now. No bueno. Going back to 9.0.5.

Bob S


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It depends. Sometimes debugging stepping through code. Hovering over a variable 
to see it's value. Other times just working in my app. Recently I have been 
adding files to the database. I have a method where I drag files from the 
Finder onto a button or field, and import the files as binary data into a table 
in a mySQL database. Sometimes it's in the process of finding a record to 
attach the files to, like a "device" record for a particular site and customer. 
I can do this for 15 minutes  and then the next time doing exactly the same 
thing, I crash to desktop. All versions of Community from 9.0.4 to 9.5 are 
doing it. 

Not sure what a screen capture would accomplish. The windows disappear, I get 
an error dialog. I have already posted the crash log from one of the CTDs on 
the QCC site. 

Bob S


> On Aug 1, 2019, at 14:26 , JJS via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> what are you doing, or what is running when that happens?
> 
> Op 1-8-2019 om 23:21 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
>> Hi all. Just letting everyone know I am crashing to desktop in 9.5.0 
>> "stable" (LOL) about very 10 minutes now. No bueno. Going back to 9.0.5.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Is it happening after debugging in the script editor? If so, please add 
comments and any crash logs to this bug report where they are being collected:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22130

Include an explanation of what you were doing at the time and any other 
info that might help. You aren't the only one seeing this problem. If you 
can share your stack that would help a lot.


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On August 1, 2019 4:22:57 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
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Hi all. Just letting everyone know I am crashing to desktop in 9.5.0 
"stable" (LOL) about very 10 minutes now. No bueno. Going back to 9.0.5.


Bob S


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 8/1/19 5:10 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:


On Windows 10 With LC open

Press the windows key and ‘g’ at the same time. This opens the GameBar dialogue 
(it’s meant for games but works equally well for any app).

Check the ‘yes, this is a game’ box.


LOL. That's an utterly bizarre workflow, but I'm glad it works.
I'm filing that away somewhere if I ever have to record the screen on 
Windows.


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

If you are on macOS you have one built in to QuickTime. File>NewScreenRecording

On Windows 10 With LC open

Press the windows key and ‘g’ at the same time. This opens the GameBar dialogue 
(it’s meant for games but works equally well for any app).

Check the ‘yes, this is a game’ box. 

Click ‘start recording’ (the red dot). I’ll let you guess what that does ;)

Click the red bar with the timer to stop the recording. 

The camera icon takes screen shot images. The settings button allows you to 
select where and what to save. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Prod Ltd

> On 1 Aug 2019, at 23:19, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> There  are  others who are seeing Crash to Desktop while debugging.
> 
> There is a bug report where people can upload their crash logs to.   You 
> should upload yours there to give the LC team more data to work with, 
> especially if you can reliably reproduce it.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22130
> 
> Also as far as screen recording you can always use your smart phone. :-)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martin Koob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 5:58 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 2:26 PM, JJS via use-livecode 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> what are you doing, or what is running when that happens?
>> 
>> 
>> When I’ve seen it with the dp and rc, it tends to be after I move objects,  
>> or perhaps copy and paste objects, and then a delay,  a brief moment of 
>> returning to apparent function,  and then *wham*.
>> 
>> Particularly, when  I use  the  group  editor.
>> 
>> I don’t  think  I”ve had a working screen recorder for four  or five years . 
>> . . 
> 
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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

Hi

There  are  others who are seeing Crash to Desktop while debugging.

There is a bug report where people can upload their crash logs to.   You should 
upload yours there to give the LC team more data to work with, especially if 
you can reliably reproduce it.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22130

Also as far as screen recording you can always use your smart phone. :-)


Regards,

Martin Koob





> On Aug 1, 2019, at 5:58 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 2:26 PM, JJS via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> what are you doing, or what is running when that happens?
> 
> 
> When I’ve seen it with the dp and rc, it tends to be after I move objects,  
> or perhaps copy and paste objects, and then a delay,  a brief moment of 
> returning to apparent function,  and then *wham*.
> 
> Particularly, when  I use  the  group  editor.
> 
> I don’t  think  I”ve had a working screen recorder for four  or five years . 
> . . 

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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

On Aug 1, 2019, at 2:26 PM, JJS via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> what are you doing, or what is running when that happens?


When I’ve seen it with the dp and rc, it tends to be after I move objects,  or 
perhaps copy and paste objects, and then a delay,  a brief moment of returning 
to apparent function,  and then *wham*.

Particularly, when  I use  the  group  editor.

I don’t  think  I”ve had a working screen recorder for four  or five years . . 
. 


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

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what are you doing, or what is running when that happens?

Op 1-8-2019 om 23:21 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

Hi all. Just letting everyone know I am crashing to desktop in 9.5.0 "stable" 
(LOL) about very 10 minutes now. No bueno. Going back to 9.0.5.

Bob S


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Re: 9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Screen Record it first and post up to the quality site. #metoo

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Prod Ltd

> On 1 Aug 2019, at 22:21, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Just letting everyone know I am crashing to desktop in 9.5.0 "stable" 
> (LOL) about very 10 minutes now. No bueno. Going back to 9.0.5. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
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9.5.0 crash to desktop

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi all. Just letting everyone know I am crashing to desktop in 9.5.0 "stable" 
(LOL) about very 10 minutes now. No bueno. Going back to 9.0.5. 

Bob S


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