Re: Video format for mobile

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 14 Apr 2020, at 10:00 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The bug was me. I didn't know about the HTTPS requirement, but in addition I 
> had to add the SSL library and set hardware acceleration too (I think that's 
> what Colin meant, and I misunderstood.)

Hmm… I only needed to change the url to https here.
> 
> Sorry you had to spend time on this, especially since Panos beat you to it.

Actually it’s good that we have had a chance to identify an improvement we can 
make to the standalone builder.

Cheers

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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 4/13/20 5:38 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Jacque

Good news! This is not a bug!

As of Android 9 clear text HTTP is disabled by default. This is much like the 
ATS restrictions on iOS. We probably need to add a way to configure this in the 
standalone builder for Android like we do for iOS even though it’s not 
advisable.

Changing your video url to https resoled the issue.

See 
https://developer.android.com/training/articles/security-config#CleartextTrafficPermitted
 



The bug was me. I didn't know about the HTTPS requirement, but in addition I had to add the SSL 
library and set hardware acceleration too (I think that's what Colin meant, and I misunderstood.)


Sorry you had to spend time on this, especially since Panos beat you to it.


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

Aha! Was just about to comment on the report and it seems Panos got there first!

I should have expected that ;-)

Cheers

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Re: Video format for mobile

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 13 Apr 2020, at 3:29 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/12/20 4:16 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 3:58 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 4/12/20 9:43 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
 On 2020-04-10 21:39, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> @Mark is there a bug number for this? I couldn't find anything.
 Not specifically as yet I don't think - Monte noticed some issues late 
 last week, and is the progress of fixing them. I've asked him to chime in 
 when he's back to work :)
>>> 
>>> Thanks, that's good. I can give him a link to one of my videos that doesn't 
>>> work on Android, just in case the cause is a bit different from what he's 
>>> working on now. It's pretty much time-critical at my end.
>> Hi Jacque
>> I noticed some very similar behavior to what you are seeing but only when 
>> acceleratedRendering is on. I could hear audio but the video was just white. 
>> Turning off acceleratedRendering fixed the issue for me. I found a way to 
>> resolve the issue in the engine. If anyone is interested it has to do with 
>> how the main surface view and the video surface view are layered. The same 
>> issue appears to impact the camera control and likely (untested yet) impacts 
>> the barcode scanner widget. I’m not sure if what you are seeing is related 
>> if acceleratedRendering is not true.
>> First up this morning I’m creating a recipe stack for this and another issue 
>> I found with android player then crating bug reports. If you would like to 
>> create a recipe stack to demonstrate your issue that would be helpful too. 
>> Perhaps attach to your own bug report and then we can determine if it’s a 
>> duplicate of what I’m seeing or something else.
> 
> Done:  >
> 
> Thanks Monte.


Hi Jacque

Good news! This is not a bug!

As of Android 9 clear text HTTP is disabled by default. This is much like the 
ATS restrictions on iOS. We probably need to add a way to configure this in the 
standalone builder for Android like we do for iOS even though it’s not 
advisable.

Changing your video url to https resoled the issue.

See 
https://developer.android.com/training/articles/security-config#CleartextTrafficPermitted
 


Cheers

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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 4/12/20 4:16 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:




On 13 Apr 2020, at 3:58 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

On 4/12/20 9:43 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2020-04-10 21:39, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

@Mark is there a bug number for this? I couldn't find anything.

Not specifically as yet I don't think - Monte noticed some issues late last 
week, and is the progress of fixing them. I've asked him to chime in when he's 
back to work :)


Thanks, that's good. I can give him a link to one of my videos that doesn't 
work on Android, just in case the cause is a bit different from what he's 
working on now. It's pretty much time-critical at my end.


Hi Jacque

I noticed some very similar behavior to what you are seeing but only when 
acceleratedRendering is on. I could hear audio but the video was just white. 
Turning off acceleratedRendering fixed the issue for me. I found a way to 
resolve the issue in the engine. If anyone is interested it has to do with how 
the main surface view and the video surface view are layered. The same issue 
appears to impact the camera control and likely (untested yet) impacts the 
barcode scanner widget. I’m not sure if what you are seeing is related if 
acceleratedRendering is not true.

First up this morning I’m creating a recipe stack for this and another issue I 
found with android player then crating bug reports. If you would like to create 
a recipe stack to demonstrate your issue that would be helpful too. Perhaps 
attach to your own bug report and then we can determine if it’s a duplicate of 
what I’m seeing or something else.


Done: 

Thanks Monte.

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Re: Video format for mobile

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 13 Apr 2020, at 3:58 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/12/20 9:43 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 2020-04-10 21:39, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> @Mark is there a bug number for this? I couldn't find anything.
>> Not specifically as yet I don't think - Monte noticed some issues late last 
>> week, and is the progress of fixing them. I've asked him to chime in when 
>> he's back to work :)
> 
> Thanks, that's good. I can give him a link to one of my videos that doesn't 
> work on Android, just in case the cause is a bit different from what he's 
> working on now. It's pretty much time-critical at my end.

Hi Jacque

I noticed some very similar behavior to what you are seeing but only when 
acceleratedRendering is on. I could hear audio but the video was just white. 
Turning off acceleratedRendering fixed the issue for me. I found a way to 
resolve the issue in the engine. If anyone is interested it has to do with how 
the main surface view and the video surface view are layered. The same issue 
appears to impact the camera control and likely (untested yet) impacts the 
barcode scanner widget. I’m not sure if what you are seeing is related if 
acceleratedRendering is not true.

First up this morning I’m creating a recipe stack for this and another issue I 
found with android player then crating bug reports. If you would like to create 
a recipe stack to demonstrate your issue that would be helpful too. Perhaps 
attach to your own bug report and then we can determine if it’s a duplicate of 
what I’m seeing or something else.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 4/12/20 9:43 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2020-04-10 21:39, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

@Mark is there a bug number for this? I couldn't find anything.


Not specifically as yet I don't think - Monte noticed some issues late last week, and is the 
progress of fixing them. I've asked him to chime in when he's back to work :)


Thanks, that's good. I can give him a link to one of my videos that doesn't work on Android, 
just in case the cause is a bit different from what he's working on now. It's pretty much 
time-critical at my end.


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2020-04-10 21:39, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

@Mark is there a bug number for this? I couldn't find anything.


Not specifically as yet I don't think - Monte noticed some issues late 
last week, and is the progress of fixing them. I've asked him to chime 
in when he's back to work :)


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: Video format for mobile

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I haven't actually tried either of those because 1) I can't expect users to fiddle with 
hardware acceleration, and 2) there aren't any security issues, since (as I just noticed) the 
player control in the IDE will play the video.


I thought it didn't work before because the size of the video is so large that all I saw was a 
portion of the initial white frame; the controller and edges were far off the card boundaries. 
Once I enlarged the card to something huge, I could see the controller and play the video, 
which did work.


Since the test stack does not use acceleratedRendering at all, I don't think the bug Mark 
mentioned applies, though who knows. I couldn't find a bug report.


I'm now wondering if the video needs to have a special setting for streaming. When I play it 
with the LC player in the IDE, it starts up instantaly and plays. On Android, I see a black 
rectangle with a controller that disappears after some seconds. After that nothing happens. 
I've waited several minutes to see if Android was trying to download the entire file (which is 
100 MB) but either I didn't wait long enough or it didn't work. So that's why I'm wondering if 
the video needs to be specifically created with a streaming flag.


On 4/9/20 5:34 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

Only H.264/AAC is acceptable!

Have you tried setting hardware acceleration rendering to be on?

Have you tried including a small video file in the app, to help rule out 
security issues?



On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

On 4/9/20 3:41 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues by 
playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback would fail 
and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the player to use 
software instead of hardware.



I have a hard deadline in a short time. If necessary we'll have to convert at 
least a few of the videos to something else if the problem isn't resolved by 
dp4.

What codec is acceptable?

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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

@Mark is there a bug number for this? I couldn't find anything.


On 4/9/20 3:36 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

This sounds like a bug we are currently fixing (hopefully in time for 9.6-DP-4) 
- the android player doesn’t currently play nicely with accelerated 
rendering... Turning that off should mean things play properly.

We use the system player object so MP4 should be fine.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone


On 9 Apr 2020, at 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
outline on Android.

I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
screen.

So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play it 
either. If I ask the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask for? I 
was told that we had to use their existing videos, so I'm not even sure they 
will re-do them.


On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
  I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(
if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
they play okay on Mac
using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
tell us much.

Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
videos so I will try that
next.

On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:

What happens if you play the file locally on each device?

-Mark

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
mobileControlCreate to set up
a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all

black

with no video or
audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.

I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
vaguely remember we
used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is

that

still required?


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Only H.264/AAC is acceptable!

Have you tried setting hardware acceleration rendering to be on?

Have you tried including a small video file in the app, to help rule out 
security issues?


> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/9/20 3:41 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues 
>> by playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback 
>> would fail and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the 
>> player to use software instead of hardware.
> 
> 
> I have a hard deadline in a short time. If necessary we'll have to convert at 
> least a few of the videos to something else if the problem isn't resolved by 
> dp4.
> 
> What codec is acceptable?
> 
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Re: Video format for mobile

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On 4/9/20 3:41 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues by 
playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback would fail 
and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the player to use 
software instead of hardware.



I have a hard deadline in a short time. If necessary we'll have to convert at least a few of 
the videos to something else if the problem isn't resolved by dp4.


What codec is acceptable?

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Re: Video format for mobile

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The videos are, in fact, 1920x1080. I set the size of both the widget or the mobile scripted 
browser (whichever I was testing) to the card size but it still didn't play. Wish it worked, it 
would have been a nice trick.


On 4/9/20 3:41 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues by 
playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback would fail 
and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the player to use 
software instead of hardware.



On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
 wrote:

This sounds like a bug we are currently fixing (hopefully in time for 9.6-DP-4) 
- the android player doesn’t currently play nicely with accelerated 
rendering... Turning that off should mean things play properly.

We use the system player object so MP4 should be fine.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone


On 9 Apr 2020, at 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
outline on Android.

I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
screen.

So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play it 
either. If I ask the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask for? I 
was told that we had to use their existing videos, so I'm not even sure they 
will re-do them.


On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(
if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
they play okay on Mac
using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
tell us much.

Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
videos so I will try that
next.

On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:

What happens if you play the file locally on each device?

-Mark

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
mobileControlCreate to set up
a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all

black

with no video or
audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.

I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
vaguely remember we
used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is

that

still required?


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Re: Video format for mobile

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My test stack didn't set accelerated rendering at all, so I think there's more 
to it than that.

On 4/9/20 3:36 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

This sounds like a bug we are currently fixing (hopefully in time for 9.6-DP-4) 
- the android player doesn’t currently play nicely with accelerated 
rendering... Turning that off should mean things play properly.

We use the system player object so MP4 should be fine.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone


On 9 Apr 2020, at 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
outline on Android.

I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
screen.

So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play it 
either. If I ask the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask for? I 
was told that we had to use their existing videos, so I'm not even sure they 
will re-do them.


On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
  I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(
if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
they play okay on Mac
using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
tell us much.

Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
videos so I will try that
next.

On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:

What happens if you play the file locally on each device?

-Mark

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
mobileControlCreate to set up
a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all

black

with no video or
audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.

I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
vaguely remember we
used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is

that

still required?


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues by 
playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback would fail 
and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the player to use 
software instead of hardware.


> On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This sounds like a bug we are currently fixing (hopefully in time for 
> 9.6-DP-4) - the android player doesn’t currently play nicely with accelerated 
> rendering... Turning that off should mean things play properly.
> 
> We use the system player object so MP4 should be fine.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Apr 2020, at 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
>> outline on Android.
>> 
>> I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
>> screen.
>> 
>> So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play 
>> it either. If I ask the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask 
>> for? I was told that we had to use their existing videos, so I'm not even 
>> sure they will re-do them.
>> 
>>> On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(
>>> if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
>>> then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.
 On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
 they play okay on Mac
 using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
 tell us much.
 
 Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
 videos so I will try that
 next.
 
 On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:
> What happens if you play the file locally on each device?
> 
> -Mark
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
>> mobileControlCreate to set up
>> a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all
 black
>> with no video or
>> audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.
>> 
>> I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
>> vaguely remember we
>> used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is
 that
>> still required?
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

This sounds like a bug we are currently fixing (hopefully in time for 9.6-DP-4) 
- the android player doesn’t currently play nicely with accelerated 
rendering... Turning that off should mean things play properly.

We use the system player object so MP4 should be fine.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Apr 2020, at 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
> outline on Android.
> 
> I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
> screen.
> 
> So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play 
> it either. If I ask the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask 
> for? I was told that we had to use their existing videos, so I'm not even 
> sure they will re-do them.
> 
>> On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>>  I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(
>> if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
>> then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
>>> they play okay on Mac
>>> using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
>>> tell us much.
>>> 
>>> Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
>>> videos so I will try that
>>> next.
>>> 
>>> On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:
 What happens if you play the file locally on each device?
 
 -Mark
 
 On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
> mobileControlCreate to set up
> a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all
>>> black
> with no video or
> audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.
> 
> I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
> vaguely remember we
> used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is
>>> that
> still required?
> 
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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
outline on Android.

I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
screen.

So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play it either. If I ask 
the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask for? I was told that we had to use 
their existing videos, so I'm not even sure they will re-do them.


On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

  I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(

if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
they play okay on Mac
using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
tell us much.

Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
videos so I will try that
next.

On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:

What happens if you play the file locally on each device?

-Mark

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
mobileControlCreate to set up
a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all

black

with no video or
audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.

I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
vaguely remember we
used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is

that

still required?


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

hmmm.i'm going to do some testing on this to try to nail down the
details on this.

Visiting this page in the browser gives a lot of info.

https://tools.woolyss.com/html5-audio-video-tester/

I've never used the built in player maybe it uses the OS's installed codecs?


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>
>
> > Am 09.04.2020 um 21:04 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > i am not sure of the difference between the codec your files used ...and
> > the YT live codec but surely there is one.
>
> QT Player info gave me h264 as the video codec.
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Re: Video format for mobile

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> Am 09.04.2020 um 21:04 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> i am not sure of the difference between the codec your files used ...and
> the YT live codec but surely there is one.

QT Player info gave me h264 as the video codec.

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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

i am not sure of the difference between the codec your files used ...and
the YT live codec but surely there is one.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:03 PM Tom Glod  wrote:

> YT uses different codecs for 'live' and uploaded videos.  After a period
> of time, the re-encode the live videos as archived videos and then they can
> be viewed normally like you say.
>
> Indeed, I play youtube videos all the time in my toolbox that runs the cef
> browser widget. but ya. nothing live.
>
> I hope this gets solved sometime.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> > Am 09.04.2020 um 20:49 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>> >
>> > Hi Klaus,
>> >
>> > My experience with this issue was trying to view "youtube live" using
>> the
>> > browser widget, which uses h264...its how I found out that CEF needs to
>> be
>> > built with "-proprietary codec" flag in order to be able to play h264
>> > videos from youtube or vimeo.
>>
>> oh, did not know that.
>>
>> > It would make sense that its the same reason why LC player does not play
>> > anything with h264.
>>
>> I have some h264 encoded videos, downloaded from YouTube, and they play
>> fine
>> in a player object! Just downloaded and played another video from YT and
>> works fine!
>>
>> > Yes that is what I was implying, building LC and CEF (Chrome Browser in
>> a
>> > widget) with the codecs.
>>
>> Aha, thank you for the info.
>> Yep, that would be a nice addition!
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

YT uses different codecs for 'live' and uploaded videos.  After a period of
time, the re-encode the live videos as archived videos and then they can be
viewed normally like you say.

Indeed, I play youtube videos all the time in my toolbox that runs the cef
browser widget. but ya. nothing live.

I hope this gets solved sometime.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi Tom,
>
> > Am 09.04.2020 um 20:49 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Klaus,
> >
> > My experience with this issue was trying to view "youtube live" using the
> > browser widget, which uses h264...its how I found out that CEF needs to
> be
> > built with "-proprietary codec" flag in order to be able to play h264
> > videos from youtube or vimeo.
>
> oh, did not know that.
>
> > It would make sense that its the same reason why LC player does not play
> > anything with h264.
>
> I have some h264 encoded videos, downloaded from YouTube, and they play
> fine
> in a player object! Just downloaded and played another video from YT and
> works fine!
>
> > Yes that is what I was implying, building LC and CEF (Chrome Browser in a
> > widget) with the codecs.
>
> Aha, thank you for the info.
> Yep, that would be a nice addition!
>
> > --
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>
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Tom,

> Am 09.04.2020 um 20:49 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> My experience with this issue was trying to view "youtube live" using the
> browser widget, which uses h264...its how I found out that CEF needs to be
> built with "-proprietary codec" flag in order to be able to play h264
> videos from youtube or vimeo.

oh, did not know that.

> It would make sense that its the same reason why LC player does not play
> anything with h264.

I have some h264 encoded videos, downloaded from YouTube, and they play fine 
in a player object! Just downloaded and played another video from YT and works 
fine!

> Yes that is what I was implying, building LC and CEF (Chrome Browser in a
> widget) with the codecs.

Aha, thank you for the info.
Yep, that would be a nice addition!

> -- 
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> Founder & Developer
> MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com)
> Mobile:647.562.9411

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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi Klaus,

My experience with this issue was trying to view "youtube live" using the
browser widget, which uses h264...its how I found out that CEF needs to be
built with "-proprietary codec" flag in order to be able to play h264
videos from youtube or vimeo.

It would make sense that its the same reason why LC player does not play
anything with h264.

Yes that is what I was implying, building LC and CEF (Chrome Browser in a
widget) with the codecs.

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> Hi Tom,
>
> > Am 09.04.2020 um 20:34 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Richard, thats exactly what they did.
> >
> > Now if only would could get a LC and CEF build with that. Do you think it
> > would be a lot of work to add the codec to LC player and a build of CEF
> to
> > go with it?
>
> the x264 codec is 100% compatible to the h264 codec!
>
> Almost all of my videos are encoded with HANDBRAKE which uses the x264
> codec,
> been ripping my own DVDs some years ago, and all of them play fine on my
> (not so )
> smart TV, in a player object and a browser widget in LC.
>
> Or do you mean LC should implement that codec right into the engine?
>
>
> Best
>
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Jerry Jensen via use-livecode]

Nope. AAC is lossy but better than MP3. You may be thinking of ALAC - Apple 
Lossless Audio Codec.
Just to add to the confusion, here’s a clip from a good Wikipedia article:

"Apple Lossless data is frequently stored within an MP4 container with the 
filename extension .m4a. This extension is also used by Apple for lossy AAC 
audio data in an MP4 container (same container, different audio encoding). 
However, Apple Lossless is not a variant of AAC (which is a lossy format), but 
rather a distinct lossless format that uses linear prediction similar to other 
lossless codecs.” 

.Jerry

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> As I recall, it is lossless, yes?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi J,
>> AAC is Advanced Audio Compression - successor to MP3.
>> https://fileinfo.com/extension/aac
>> Hope this will help you figure out how to play it.
>> .Jerry

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Re: Video format for mobile

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Tom,

> Am 09.04.2020 um 20:34 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Richard, thats exactly what they did.
> 
> Now if only would could get a LC and CEF build with that. Do you think it
> would be a lot of work to add the codec to LC player and a build of CEF to
> go with it?

the x264 codec is 100% compatible to the h264 codec!

Almost all of my videos are encoded with HANDBRAKE which uses the x264 codec,
been ripping my own DVDs some years ago, and all of them play fine on my (not 
so ) 
smart TV, in a player object and a browser widget in LC. 

Or do you mean LC should implement that codec right into the engine?


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi Richard, thats exactly what they did.

Now if only would could get a LC and CEF build with that. Do you think it
would be a lot of work to add the codec to LC player and a build of CEF to
go with it?

I got the licensing documents 2 years ago from MPEG-LA.. and had I
started to read them then...I would have just finished.

The good part is the MPEG-LA gives you 100,000 licenses free of charge, and
after that its also very cheap / user.

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> Tom Glod wrote:
>  > There is cisco's openh264 codec which they open sourced.  So that is a
>  > potential solution that would have to include the livecode team.
>  >
>  > https://github.com/cisco/openh264
>
> Super-cool, Tom. Thanks for posting that.
>
> It's an impressive work, both technically for its breadth of support and
> with its license, the permissive MIT-like BSD 2-Clause "Simplified"
> License.
>
> Curious about how they were able to pull that off without triggering the
> patent wrath of the MPEG-LA consortium, it seems Cisco wrote a large
> check and is absorbing the cost internally, not passing that cost on to
> users of the component:
>
> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/10/30/video-interoperability-on-the-web-gets-a-boost-from-ciscos-h-264-codec/
>
> This is how we can watch Netflix in Firefox, and many other things with
> proprietary and DRM content.
>
> Thanks, Cisco!
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tom Glod wrote:
> There is cisco's openh264 codec which they open sourced.  So that is a
> potential solution that would have to include the livecode team.
>
> https://github.com/cisco/openh264

Super-cool, Tom. Thanks for posting that.

It's an impressive work, both technically for its breadth of support and 
with its license, the permissive MIT-like BSD 2-Clause "Simplified" License.


Curious about how they were able to pull that off without triggering the 
patent wrath of the MPEG-LA consortium, it seems Cisco wrote a large 
check and is absorbing the cost internally, not passing that cost on to 
users of the component:

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/10/30/video-interoperability-on-the-web-gets-a-boost-from-ciscos-h-264-codec/

This is how we can watch Netflix in Firefox, and many other things with 
proprietary and DRM content.


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Re: Video format for mobile

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Hi Jaques,

> Am 09.04.2020 um 20:03 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 4/9/20 9:53 AM, Bryan Anderson via use-livecode wrote:
>> The .mp4 file spec allows for 3 different audio formats. AAC, MPEG1-Layer1 
>> and MPEG1-Layer2. AAC is by far the most often used audio codec.
>> I just made a quick video using each audio codec, and the only one that 
>> plays audio in LC is the AAC version (MacOS, LC 9.5.0). To make sure you’re 
>> video is the right format, download the sample stack in the bug report at 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21278 
>> . I know that video 
>> works, at least on Mac.
>> On MacOS. Quicktime is the default player on the Mac still today, but it’s 
>> not the same QuickTime from years ago that LC depended on. If “About 
>> QuickTime Player” shows version 10.5, you’re on the new one. QuickTime 
>> Player 7 uses the deprecated APIs.
> 
> I have QT 10.5 and it plays the video. Firefox does too. On Android, Chrome 
> plays it. So it looks like LC mobile player could be the problem.
> 
> I downloaded the file from your bug report, set a LC player to the filepath 
> on my Mac, and got the same empty black screen.

I did the same and the video played fine in a player object, same in a browser 
widget!
macOS 10.14.6, LC 9.5.1

The codec of that video is AVC (Advanced Video Codec), which is not very common.

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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

There is cisco's openh264 codec which they open sourced.  So that is a
potential solution that would have to include the livecode team.

https://github.com/cisco/openh264

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:04 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 4/9/20 9:53 AM, Bryan Anderson via use-livecode wrote:
> > The .mp4 file spec allows for 3 different audio formats. AAC,
> MPEG1-Layer1 and MPEG1-Layer2. AAC is by far the most often used audio
> codec.
> >
> > I just made a quick video using each audio codec, and the only one that
> plays audio in LC is the AAC version (MacOS, LC 9.5.0). To make sure you’re
> video is the right format, download the sample stack in the bug report at
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21278 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21278>. I know that video
> works, at least on Mac.
> >
> > On MacOS. Quicktime is the default player on the Mac still today, but
> it’s not the same QuickTime from years ago that LC depended on. If “About
> QuickTime Player” shows version 10.5, you’re on the new one. QuickTime
> Player 7 uses the deprecated APIs.
>
> I have QT 10.5 and it plays the video. Firefox does too. On Android,
> Chrome plays it. So it
> looks like LC mobile player could be the problem.
>
> I downloaded the file from your bug report, set a LC player to the
> filepath on my Mac, and got
> the same empty black screen.
>
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Re: Video format for mobile

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On 4/9/20 9:53 AM, Bryan Anderson via use-livecode wrote:

The .mp4 file spec allows for 3 different audio formats. AAC, MPEG1-Layer1 and 
MPEG1-Layer2. AAC is by far the most often used audio codec.

I just made a quick video using each audio codec, and the only one that plays audio 
in LC is the AAC version (MacOS, LC 9.5.0). To make sure you’re video is the right 
format, download the sample stack in the bug report at 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21278 
. I know that video works, 
at least on Mac.

On MacOS. Quicktime is the default player on the Mac still today, but it’s not 
the same QuickTime from years ago that LC depended on. If “About QuickTime 
Player” shows version 10.5, you’re on the new one. QuickTime Player 7 uses the 
deprecated APIs.


I have QT 10.5 and it plays the video. Firefox does too. On Android, Chrome plays it. So it 
looks like LC mobile player could be the problem.


I downloaded the file from your bug report, set a LC player to the filepath on my Mac, and got 
the same empty black screen.


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

 I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(

if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
> they play okay on Mac
> using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
> tell us much.
>
> Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
> videos so I will try that
> next.
>
> On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:
> > What happens if you play the file locally on each device?
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
> >> mobileControlCreate to set up
> >> a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all
> black
> >> with no video or
> >> audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
> >> vaguely remember we
> >> used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is
> that
> >> still required?
> >>
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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but they play okay on Mac 
using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't tell us much.


Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play videos so I will try that 
next.


On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:

What happens if you play the file locally on each device?

-Mark

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
mobileControlCreate to set up
a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all black
with no video or
audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.

I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
vaguely remember we
used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is that
still required?


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Re: Video format for mobile

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Hi all,

> Am 09.04.2020 um 16:53 schrieb Bryan Anderson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> The .mp4 file spec allows for 3 different audio formats. AAC, MPEG1-Layer1 
> and MPEG1-Layer2. AAC is by far the most often used audio codec.

yes, even my (not so smart) TV can play MP4 with AAc directly from an USB 
attached harddisk.

> I just made a quick video using each audio codec, and the only one that plays 
> audio in LC is the AAC version (MacOS, LC 9.5.0). To make sure you’re video 
> is the right format, download the sample stack in the bug report at 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21278 
> . I know that video 
> works, at least on Mac.
> 
> On MacOS. Quicktime is the default player on the Mac still today, but it’s 
> not the same QuickTime from years ago that LC depended on. If “About 
> QuickTime Player” shows version 10.5, you’re on the new one. QuickTime Player 
> 7 uses the deprecated APIs.

Well, no idea why they keep the name "QuickTime", since the current framework 
is the macOS AV-Framework
and no QuickTIme anymore.

However I still run Mojave, so I can use the old QT Player (PRO, I once bought 
a license a million years ago) and 
can use it to export audio/video to a variety of other codecs.

> Bryan Anderson
> Exnihilo Media
> https://exnihilo-media.com/ 

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Re: Video format for mobile

[Bryan Anderson via use-livecode]

The .mp4 file spec allows for 3 different audio formats. AAC, MPEG1-Layer1 and 
MPEG1-Layer2. AAC is by far the most often used audio codec.

I just made a quick video using each audio codec, and the only one that plays 
audio in LC is the AAC version (MacOS, LC 9.5.0). To make sure you’re video is 
the right format, download the sample stack in the bug report at 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21278 
. I know that video works, 
at least on Mac.

On MacOS. Quicktime is the default player on the Mac still today, but it’s not 
the same QuickTime from years ago that LC depended on. If “About QuickTime 
Player” shows version 10.5, you’re on the new one. QuickTime Player 7 uses the 
deprecated APIs.

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Re: Video format for mobile

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As I recall, it is lossless, yes?

Bob S


> On Apr 8, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi J,
> AAC is Advanced Audio Compression - successor to MP3.
> https://fileinfo.com/extension/aac
> Hope this will help you figure out how to play it.
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Mark Talluto via use-livecode]

What happens if you play the file locally on each device?

-Mark

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
> mobileControlCreate to set up
> a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all black
> with no video or
> audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.
>
> I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
> vaguely remember we
> used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is that
> still required?
>
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> >> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>
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Re: Video format for mobile

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Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses mobileControlCreate to set up 
a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all black with no video or 
audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.


I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I vaguely remember we 
used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is that still required?


On 4/8/20 7:49 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

QuickTime Player can play it, but it doesn’t need QuickTime.

I’m not sure what player LiveCode uses on Android, but it is highly likely to 
be able to cope.

Is the LC Player an existing Android app?


On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on both 
Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file 
format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC player, and 
the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.

Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is AAC the 
problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?

I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it won't 
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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

If that's true, I'm in trouble. There are a lot of these videos.

I just made a quick test app and ran it on Android. I get a blank mobile player displaying a 
completely black rectangle. The script loads the URL from my server, waits for a 
playerPropertyAvailable "duration" property to be received, and then starts to play. The video 
is about a minute and a half long, the duration is never received, and after about a 30 second 
wait I get the playerFinished message.


A quick web search verifies what Colin said, an .mp4 with H.264 and AAC is pretty much standard 
these days.


Not sure where to go from here but I need a solution.

On 4/8/20 11:17 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

my guess is the LC player does not have h264 codec. its a codec that
carries a license fee and agreement. I hope one day it can be included in
an indy license and maybe the CEF can be built with the h264 codec.

That would be really good for business.

CHeers

Tom

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:12 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Thanks. The Mac won't play it, which is odd (usually in Finder a media
thumbnail will play) and the Mac suggests QT as a default app, wbich is no
longer supported officially.

I will try it on mobile when I get farther along, but for now I'd like to
debug on Mac during development. The LC player is blank when I set the
filename, presumably because it doesn't support QT either.

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On April 8, 2020 9:48:52 PM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode
 wrote:


Hi J,
AAC is Advanced Audio Compression - successor to MP3.
https://fileinfo.com/extension/aac
Hope this will help you figure out how to play it.
.Jerry


On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
 wrote:

I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on

both

Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the

file

format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC

player,

and the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.

Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is

AAC

the problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?

I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

my guess is the LC player does not have h264 codec. its a codec that
carries a license fee and agreement. I hope one day it can be included in
an indy license and maybe the CEF can be built with the h264 codec.

That would be really good for business.

CHeers

Tom

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:12 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks. The Mac won't play it, which is odd (usually in Finder a media
> thumbnail will play) and the Mac suggests QT as a default app, wbich is no
> longer supported officially.
>
> I will try it on mobile when I get farther along, but for now I'd like to
> debug on Mac during development. The LC player is blank when I set the
> filename, presumably because it doesn't support QT either.
>
> --
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> On April 8, 2020 9:48:52 PM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi J,
> > AAC is Advanced Audio Compression - successor to MP3.
> > https://fileinfo.com/extension/aac
> > Hope this will help you figure out how to play it.
> > .Jerry
> >
> >> On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on
> both
> >> Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the
> file
> >> format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC
> player,
> >> and the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.
> >>
> >> Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is
> AAC
> >> the problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?
> >>
> >> I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it
> >> won't work.
> >>
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Re: Video format for mobile

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Thanks. The Mac won't play it, which is odd (usually in Finder a media 
thumbnail will play) and the Mac suggests QT as a default app, wbich is no 
longer supported officially.


I will try it on mobile when I get farther along, but for now I'd like to 
debug on Mac during development. The LC player is blank when I set the 
filename, presumably because it doesn't support QT either.


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On April 8, 2020 9:48:52 PM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Hi J,
AAC is Advanced Audio Compression - successor to MP3.
https://fileinfo.com/extension/aac
Hope this will help you figure out how to play it.
.Jerry

On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on both 
Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file 
format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC player, 
and the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.


Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is AAC 
the problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?


I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it 
won't work.


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Re: Video format for mobile

[Jerry Jensen via use-livecode]

Hi J,
AAC is Advanced Audio Compression - successor to MP3.
https://fileinfo.com/extension/aac
Hope this will help you figure out how to play it.
.Jerry

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on both 
> Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file 
> format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC player, 
> and the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.
> 
> Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is AAC the 
> problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?
> 
> I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it won't 
> work.
> 
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

QuickTime Player can play it, but it doesn’t need QuickTime.

I’m not sure what player LiveCode uses on Android, but it is highly likely to 
be able to cope.

Is the LC Player an existing Android app?

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on both 
> Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file 
> format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC player, 
> and the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.
> 
> Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is AAC the 
> problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?
> 
> I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it won't 
> work.
> 
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> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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