LC iOS Command 'mergPopActivity' [was Re: The iOS "Files" folder]
I have been trying to use this command, initially to allow an iOS app to put something in the “Files” folder on an iPhone, but I’m now more interested in the whole idea of Activity Views and how to exploit them in an iOS app. I believe that the LC ‘mergPopActivity' command is a wrapper for some function in the iOS native universe - connected with ‘UIActivityViewController', but so far I haven’t worked out which one, since I don’t really understand much of Apple’s iOS Developer documentation (I always hope that using LC removes the need to do so!). Elanor Buchanan of the mother ship has been extremely helpful about this, and has said she hopes to improve the almost non-existent documentation of this command, but meanwhile I’m interested if anyone on this list has any insights, as I’m quite stuck and don’t want to bug Elanor too much. When you invoke the ‘mergPopActivity' command in an LC script, it opens a modal window which gives a gateway into services available on your device, like email, printing, saving to “Files”, sending to social media etc - it depends on what your device is capable of, and the apps it has loaded; so I believe that the LC command essentially implements the ‘sharing’ activity in iOS, which is usually invoked via an icon consisting of a square with a North-pointing arrow in it. So far so good, but I’ve only been able to do one thing so far, which is to offer a text string originating in the app to these various services. So far I have not been able to find a way to offer a file (for example, a file containing a text rather than the text itself - easy to generate within an app, but no luck in offering to email it etc). There is a ‘URL’ parameter but I can’t work out what it does. Anyone got any clues or shall I apologise (again) to Elanor and ask her for more help? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
Using iCloud shouldn’t require internet access for the app as it is designed to work offline and sync when the network is available. My comment was aimed at the need to have data retained separately from the app. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > > Believe it or not, there is a class of apps that doesn’t need to use the > internet. I’m thinking for example of apps meant to be used on a device such > as a phone while it’s in motion or on a journey. Internet access isn’t > guaranteed in many parts of the world. Although smart phones do have to make > contact with the internet for many tasks, that imperative shouldn’t force one > to include internet access in an app that has no other need for it. It’s that > notion that made me want to break out of the sandbox locally, to allow local > apps access to local data. > > Just my two overpriced eurocents. > > Graham > [sorry if I sent this twice, but the first try seems to have got lost] > >> On 14 Oct 2020, at 16:24, Brian Milby via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Apple has already provided a way forward for this. Their current best >> practice is for apps to store files in their Documents folder in iCloud. >> This provides seamless access between multiple devices and data security >> since it is not tied to the app remaining installed. >> >> I briefly looked at the dev docs on this and it does take some work to >> integrate. The most complicated piece will be detecting and resolving >> conflicts. I think it would be a good feature request just not sure how to >> do the conflict resolution piece. The mechanics of putting and getting a >> file are not that bad. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:42 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> One my iPad I have everything turned on for iCloud and I am >>> sure everything is backed up with my backup file. I do not >>> see all of my individual files when I access icloud except for >>> ones I added through a different means than the application. >>> >>> The issue of apps becoming outdated and any files being >>> locked in with the app is serious to me. Not a big issue to >>> solve if Apple wants to. >>> >>> JB >>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: I’ll have to take issue with that one. If your device is set to sync to the cloud, your notes will be preserver. There’s no unlikely about it. The only way they would not sync is if you had sync turned off for notes. In that case it is not only likely but certain you will lose any new data since sync was disabled. If it did not work this way, iCould would die a quick and horrible death. Bob S On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: Most likely it will not be saved to the icloud independently so the files you have for that app even though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be deleted with the app. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
Believe it or not, there is a class of apps that doesn’t need to use the internet. I’m thinking for example of apps meant to be used on a device such as a phone while it’s in motion or on a journey. Internet access isn’t guaranteed in many parts of the world. Although smart phones do have to make contact with the internet for many tasks, that imperative shouldn’t force one to include internet access in an app that has no other need for it. It’s that notion that made me want to break out of the sandbox locally, to allow local apps access to local data. Just my two overpriced eurocents. Graham [sorry if I sent this twice, but the first try seems to have got lost] > On 14 Oct 2020, at 16:24, Brian Milby via use-livecode > wrote: > > Apple has already provided a way forward for this. Their current best > practice is for apps to store files in their Documents folder in iCloud. > This provides seamless access between multiple devices and data security > since it is not tied to the app remaining installed. > > I briefly looked at the dev docs on this and it does take some work to > integrate. The most complicated piece will be detecting and resolving > conflicts. I think it would be a good feature request just not sure how to > do the conflict resolution piece. The mechanics of putting and getting a > file are not that bad. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:42 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> One my iPad I have everything turned on for iCloud and I am >> sure everything is backed up with my backup file. I do not >> see all of my individual files when I access icloud except for >> ones I added through a different means than the application. >> >> The issue of apps becoming outdated and any files being >> locked in with the app is serious to me. Not a big issue to >> solve if Apple wants to. >> >> JB >> >>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> I’ll have to take issue with that one. If your device is set to sync to >>> the cloud, your notes will be preserver. There’s no unlikely about it. The >>> only way they would not sync is if you had sync turned off for notes. In >>> that case it is not only likely but certain you will lose any new data >>> since sync was disabled. >>> >>> If it did not work this way, iCould would die a quick and horrible death. >>> >>> Bob S >>> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode >>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Most likely it will not be saved to the >>> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even >>> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be >>> deleted with the app. >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
Apple has already provided a way forward for this. Their current best practice is for apps to store files in their Documents folder in iCloud. This provides seamless access between multiple devices and data security since it is not tied to the app remaining installed. I briefly looked at the dev docs on this and it does take some work to integrate. The most complicated piece will be detecting and resolving conflicts. I think it would be a good feature request just not sure how to do the conflict resolution piece. The mechanics of putting and getting a file are not that bad. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:42 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode > wrote: > > One my iPad I have everything turned on for iCloud and I am > sure everything is backed up with my backup file. I do not > see all of my individual files when I access icloud except for > ones I added through a different means than the application. > > The issue of apps becoming outdated and any files being > locked in with the app is serious to me. Not a big issue to > solve if Apple wants to. > > JB > >> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> I’ll have to take issue with that one. If your device is set to sync to the >> cloud, your notes will be preserver. There’s no unlikely about it. The only >> way they would not sync is if you had sync turned off for notes. In that >> case it is not only likely but certain you will lose any new data since sync >> was disabled. >> >> If it did not work this way, iCould would die a quick and horrible death. >> >> Bob S >> >> >> On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode >> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: >> >> Most likely it will not be saved to the >> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even >> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be >> deleted with the app. >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
One my iPad I have everything turned on for iCloud and I am sure everything is backed up with my backup file. I do not see all of my individual files when I access icloud except for ones I added through a different means than the application. The issue of apps becoming outdated and any files being locked in with the app is serious to me. Not a big issue to solve if Apple wants to. JB > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > I’ll have to take issue with that one. If your device is set to sync to the > cloud, your notes will be preserver. There’s no unlikely about it. The only > way they would not sync is if you had sync turned off for notes. In that case > it is not only likely but certain you will lose any new data since sync was > disabled. > > If it did not work this way, iCould would die a quick and horrible death. > > Bob S > > > On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode > mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: > > Most likely it will not be saved to the > icloud independently so the files you have for that app even > though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be > deleted with the app. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
Think and say anything you want! A lot of people value accessing their files. Someone will eventually make a device that allows you to save your files properly and you will see a lot of people switch platforms. If you have any evidence suggesting people do not care about their files please provide it instead of attacking me with claims I am just complaining about Apple in general. And by the way, I am the one on this list who supported Apple and their App Store practices. Explain that about someone just attacking Apple. JB > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > I’m gonna say you have a bone to pick with Apple. > > Bob S > > > On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:34 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode > mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: > > So for school children who are interested in keeping their work > for the rest of their life it all depends on Apples mood since it > will only work if the app is still available on the App Store. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
On a related note, there is a "File Sharing" check box in the iOS >
Requirements tab > Requirements and Restrictions section of the
Standalone App settings. What does that do?
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Phil Davis
On 10/13/20 9:19 AM, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode wrote:
It looks from the minimum documentation I have that you could do much the same
with an image, but I have not tried it.
I use this in a (now abandoned) feature of an app to take a screenshot of the
mobile stack and share the image. Switched to this after mergSocial stopped
working when Apple made some core OS updates. The entire MergExt suite is
extremely powerful and extremely under-documented.
put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/IndianaOnTap.png" into tFilePath
put the rect of this card into tRect
put the bottom of field "promoName" into tBottom
put item 1 of tRect & COMMA & item 2 of tRect & COMMA & item 3 of tRect & COMMA
& tBottom into tExportRect
export snapshot from rect tExportRect of this card to file tFilePath as PNG
mergPopActivity "Indiana On Tap just hooked me up!",tFilePath,""
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder
> It looks from the minimum documentation I have that you could do much the
> same with an image, but I have not tried it.
I use this in a (now abandoned) feature of an app to take a screenshot of the
mobile stack and share the image. Switched to this after mergSocial stopped
working when Apple made some core OS updates. The entire MergExt suite is
extremely powerful and extremely under-documented.
put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/IndianaOnTap.png" into tFilePath
put the rect of this card into tRect
put the bottom of field "promoName" into tBottom
put item 1 of tRect & COMMA & item 2 of tRect & COMMA & item 3 of tRect & COMMA
& tBottom into tExportRect
export snapshot from rect tExportRect of this card to file tFilePath as PNG
mergPopActivity "Indiana On Tap just hooked me up!",tFilePath,""
—Andrew Bell
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder
I’m gonna say you have a bone to pick with Apple. Bob S On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:34 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: So for school children who are interested in keeping their work for the rest of their life it all depends on Apples mood since it will only work if the app is still available on the App Store. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
I’ll have to take issue with that one. If your device is set to sync to the cloud, your notes will be preserver. There’s no unlikely about it. The only way they would not sync is if you had sync turned off for notes. In that case it is not only likely but certain you will lose any new data since sync was disabled. If it did not work this way, iCould would die a quick and horrible death. Bob S On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: Most likely it will not be saved to the icloud independently so the files you have for that app even though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be deleted with the app. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
Elanor has given me some more information about the very poorly documented mergPropActivity - I don’t know how to get someone who really understands it to provide meaningful documentation. Meanwhile, thanks to Elanor, I can generate a text file within my iOS app and can have a button within the app that opens ‘activity view’ on the phone which allows the user to save the file to the “Files” folder outside of the app, or into iCloud, so outside the sandbox; one can also copy to the clipboard, also outside the sandbox. Before asking Support I had never heard of activity views, which seem to be iOS only. It looks from the minimum documentation I have that you could do much the same with an image, but I have not tried it. The various options available to the user in these circumstances presumably change with the file type, although I am not sure of this. The test application that Elanor gave me did not allow the user to email the text for example, but I have absolutely no idea why. It seems strange to have such a sophisticated degree of functionality available and then apparently no adequate instructions as to how it works, the external context, or indeed the full range of options for its parameters. Should I raise this lack of documentation as a bug? Graham > On 12 Oct 2020, at 21:34, Rick Harrison via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi Graham, > > You can write to your own app’s preference’s folder. > Due to sandboxing Apple doesn’t want you writing > stuff elsewhere. You can sometimes write to special > folders, I don’t know the list off of the top of my head > however. > > Keep us informed of your progress. > > Rick > >> On Oct 12, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> I am getting a bit nearer answering my own question, or at least having it >> answered by the mother ship. Elanor Buchanan has introduced me to >> ‘MergPopActivity’ but so far I am just too ignorant to use it. Hopefully >> I’ll have more information soon. Meanwhile it would be interesting to know >> if anyone on this list has ever used it. >> >> Graham > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
That looks interesting but I don’t think it mentioned iPad, and even if they make it for iPad here is a note they mentioned; This will free up storage used by the app, but keep its documents and data. Reinstalling the app will place back your data if the app is still available in the App Store. So for school children who are interested in keeping their work for the rest of their life it all depends on Apples mood since it will only work if the app is still available on the App Store. Not having the ability to control your data is a threat to record keeping, since you are now locked into your data with the app. That is a freedom we can lose with the desktop too. If they can control your records to a single source it is easier to delete, I am sure by accident, like fires burning records at court houses, or alter the records. JB > On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:16 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > There's this, though it's up to the user: > > https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/07/ios-11-automatically-delete-unused-apps/ > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> On October 12, 2020 5:11:48 PM John Balgenorth via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has >> its own Documents Folder. You can get a url to the Documents >> Folder for your app but not other apps. Using that url you can >> read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps >> Documents Folder. A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an >> app. All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also get >> deleted. So if you have a Note application and have saved a lot >> of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when >> that Note taking app is deleted all of your information you’ve >> saved is deleted with it. Most likely it will not be saved to the >> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even >> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be >> deleted with the app. >> >> To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be >> using for school because they should be allowed to keep >> their school work without keeping outdated apps over the >> years they go to school. >> >> JB >> >> >>>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >>>> wrote: >>> >>> It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that >>> this is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a >>> way for an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s >>> storage. I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably >>> some kind of Xcode library. >>> >>> Bob S >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode >>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? >>> I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that >>> some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open >>> such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the >>> user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The >>> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules >>> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at >>> all. >>> >>> Anyone tried it? >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
Apple is pushing everything to be saved to iCloud, so a properly written school app (by Apple standards!) would have all the school assignments in the student’s iCloud - accessible at home or school or wherever you have net access. Kelly > On 12Oct, 2020, at 4:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode > wrote: > > On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has > its own Documents Folder. You can get a url to the Documents > Folder for your app but not other apps. Using that url you can > read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps > Documents Folder. A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an > app. All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also get > deleted. So if you have a Note application and have saved a lot > of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when > that Note taking app is deleted all of your information you’ve > saved is deleted with it. Most likely it will not be saved to the > icloud independently so the files you have for that app even > though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be > deleted with the app. > > To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be > using for school because they should be allowed to keep > their school work without keeping outdated apps over the > years they go to school. > > JB > > >> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this >> is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for >> an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. >> I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind >> of Xcode library. >> >> Bob S >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode >> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: >> >> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? >> I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that >> some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open >> such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the >> user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The >> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules >> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at >> all. >> >> Anyone tried it? >> >> Graham >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
There's this, though it's up to the user: https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/07/ios-11-automatically-delete-unused-apps/ -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On October 12, 2020 5:11:48 PM John Balgenorth via use-livecode wrote: On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has its own Documents Folder. You can get a url to the Documents Folder for your app but not other apps. Using that url you can read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps Documents Folder. A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an app. All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also get deleted. So if you have a Note application and have saved a lot of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when that Note taking app is deleted all of your information you’ve saved is deleted with it. Most likely it will not be saved to the icloud independently so the files you have for that app even though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be deleted with the app. To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be using for school because they should be allowed to keep their school work without keeping outdated apps over the years they go to school. JB On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind of Xcode library. Bob S On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all. Anyone tried it? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has its own Documents Folder. You can get a url to the Documents Folder for your app but not other apps. Using that url you can read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps Documents Folder. A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an app. All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also get deleted. So if you have a Note application and have saved a lot of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when that Note taking app is deleted all of your information you’ve saved is deleted with it. Most likely it will not be saved to the icloud independently so the files you have for that app even though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be deleted with the app. To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be using for school because they should be allowed to keep their school work without keeping outdated apps over the years they go to school. JB > On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this > is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for > an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. > I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind > of Xcode library. > > Bob S > > > On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode > mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: > > Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I > see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some > apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such > files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a > chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The > alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules > etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all. > > Anyone tried it? > > Graham > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
Hi Graham, You can write to your own app’s preference’s folder. Due to sandboxing Apple doesn’t want you writing stuff elsewhere. You can sometimes write to special folders, I don’t know the list off of the top of my head however. Keep us informed of your progress. Rick > On Oct 12, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > > I am getting a bit nearer answering my own question, or at least having it > answered by the mother ship. Elanor Buchanan has introduced me to > ‘MergPopActivity’ but so far I am just too ignorant to use it. Hopefully I’ll > have more information soon. Meanwhile it would be interesting to know if > anyone on this list has ever used it. > > Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
I am getting a bit nearer answering my own question, or at least having it answered by the mother ship. Elanor Buchanan has introduced me to ‘MergPopActivity’ but so far I am just too ignorant to use it. Hopefully I’ll have more information soon. Meanwhile it would be interesting to know if anyone on this list has ever used it. Graham > On 10 Oct 2020, at 17:42, Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > > Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I > see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some > apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such > files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a > chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The > alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules > etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all. > > Anyone tried it? > > Graham > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The iOS "Files" folder
It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind of Xcode library. Bob S On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all. Anyone tried it? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
The iOS "Files" folder
Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all. Anyone tried it? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
