Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Richard that script snippet actually helped me solve a different problem. I 
remember now why I was using traversalOn instead of lockText. I have certain 
fields I do not want users to edit, so I set the lockText to true. I then have 
a handler called enableForm that enables every field and button with a name 
that matches a column in a table. But of course I don't want users editing the 
unique ID of a record, even though I want to display it. 

Your snippet solves that problem. I just put it into field scripts I don't want 
users to edit, and use lockText for enabling/disabling fields. Works a peach. 

Bob S


> On Feb 28, 2017, at 08:05 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> >> on rawkeydown k
> >>   if k = 99 then
> >>  if the commandKey is "down" then copy
> >>   end if
> >> end rawkeydown


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Oh right you are! The thing that was throwing me is double-clicking does not 
work, but I can triple click and it selects the whole chalupa and I can copy 
it. I can also drag select. This will work. 

Bob S


> On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:52 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2/28/17 9:58 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I just think that LC should work like virtually every other forms
>> based app I've ever used, where being editable is not a prerequisite
>> for copying text.
> 
> Did you try the field settings I suggested? It does work, it's already 
> built-in:
> 
> autoHilite = true
> traversalOn = true
> locktext = true
> 
> This allows selecting and copying but not editing.
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 2/28/17 9:58 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I just think that LC should work like virtually every other forms
based app I've ever used, where being editable is not a prerequisite
for copying text.


Did you try the field settings I suggested? It does work, it's already 
built-in:


autoHilite = true
traversalOn = true
locktext = true

This allows selecting and copying but not editing.

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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2017, at 22:09 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> on rawkeydown k
>>   if k = 99 then
>>  if the commandKey is "down" then copy
>>   end if
>> end rawkeydown
>
> For that matter I could just check the status of the "state" property
> (view | new | edit) to allow/disallow editing. Not saying there are
> not workarounds. I just think that LC should work like virtually
> every other forms based app I've ever used, where being editable is
> not a prerequisite for copying text.

The purpose of that script is not to allow copying, but to disallow 
cutting and pasting.


LC is a programming toolkit, and a very flexible one, with a wider range 
of GUI messages than most other scripting languages. The price of 
flexibility is the need to write code now and then.


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

For that matter I could just check the status of the "state" property (view | 
new | edit) to allow/disallow editing. Not saying there are not workarounds. I 
just think that LC should work like virtually every other forms based app I've 
ever used, where being editable is not a prerequisite for copying text. 

Bob S


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 22:09 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> on rawkeydown k
>   if k = 99 then
>  if the commandKey is "down" then copy
>   end if
> end rawkeydown
> 
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

For a scriptless solution that's purely property-driven, what Jacque 
said covers normal click-and-drag selection at the small cost of 
multi-click selection.


And if you need multi-click selection and don't mind a small bit of 
scripting, putting this in a normal editable field seems to make it 
uneditable well enough while still allowing Copy to work:


on rawkeydown k
   if k = 99 then
  if the commandKey is "down" then copy
   end if
end rawkeydown

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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 2/24/17 8:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Ok I've played with locked, traversalOn, and disabled and the only
thing that alows me to enable/disable editing of the contents of a
field is traversalOn. No combination of the other settings allow me
to select text (in any manner that a user would expect) and yet
prevent the editing of the text.



Set a field to use locktext, traversalOn, and autohilite. You can select 
and copy text without the ability to edit. Command/Control-C is built 
into the engine so you don't need to know what the selection is, the 
engine just does it. Your scripts don't need to do anything to 
accomodate this.


You can't double-click a word to select it, but you can drag.

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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

Don't ignore the autoHilite of a field. Dictionary says:

Specifies whether a button highlights when it's pressed,
or whether selected text in a field is highlighted.

Phil Davis


On 2/24/17 6:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Ok I've played with locked, traversalOn, and disabled and the only thing that 
alows me to enable/disable editing of the contents of a field is traversalOn. 
No combination of the other settings allow me to select text (in any manner 
that a user would expect) and yet prevent the editing of the text.

I can probably check the pEditing property of each stack (which contains 
new|edit|view) in a keyUp handler or something to pass keyUp or no to control 
whether or not a user can edit or no. But it seems like a lot of convolutions 
to go through for something so simple as allowing a user to select and copy 
data from an uneditable field. Think of a web form. You can copy text all the 
live long day and yet not be allowed to edit it. That is what I am shooting for.

I agree that if copying is not allowed, or to put it another way, if getting 
the selectedText or hilitedText is not possible, then the UI should not 
indicate that text is selected. So let's kill that first, then consider whether 
or not there ought to be a property that returns the hilited text of a field 
regardless of the status of traversalOn.

Maybe we can have a new field and button property: editable?

Bob S



On Feb 24, 2017, at 16:23 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:

So I agree there's a bug there, but I'd go the other way: if traversalOn is 
supposed to prevent selections, it should also prevent selections that occur 
from double-clicking on words.

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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Ok I've played with locked, traversalOn, and disabled and the only thing that 
alows me to enable/disable editing of the contents of a field is traversalOn. 
No combination of the other settings allow me to select text (in any manner 
that a user would expect) and yet prevent the editing of the text. 

I can probably check the pEditing property of each stack (which contains 
new|edit|view) in a keyUp handler or something to pass keyUp or no to control 
whether or not a user can edit or no. But it seems like a lot of convolutions 
to go through for something so simple as allowing a user to select and copy 
data from an uneditable field. Think of a web form. You can copy text all the 
live long day and yet not be allowed to edit it. That is what I am shooting 
for. 

I agree that if copying is not allowed, or to put it another way, if getting 
the selectedText or hilitedText is not possible, then the UI should not 
indicate that text is selected. So let's kill that first, then consider whether 
or not there ought to be a property that returns the hilited text of a field 
regardless of the status of traversalOn. 

Maybe we can have a new field and button property: editable?

Bob S


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 16:23 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I agree there's a bug there, but I'd go the other way: if traversalOn is 
> supposed to prevent selections, it should also prevent selections that occur 
> from double-clicking on words.
> 
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

Hi Richard. You are "locking" fields. I am setting the traversalOn
to false. The reason I use this is because a locked field will still
show the focus border, which I do not want.


The focus border should be governed independently, using the 
showFocusBorder property.


If you turn that off and it still shows with traversalOn true, that 
would be a bug.


As for traversalOn, when I turn that off the reason I don't get a focus 
border is because I also don't get focus - without keyboard interaction 
allowed with traversalOn, I'm unable to select text.


That is, by the most common means, click-and-drag.

I do find that I can double-click a word to select it, and when 
double-clicked in a field with traversalOn turned off then my example 
menu does indeed fail to recognize that selection.


So I agree there's a bug there, but I'd go the other way: if traversalOn 
is supposed to prevent selections, it should also prevent selections 
that occur from double-clicking on words.


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 2/24/17 3:33 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richard. You are "locking" fields. I am setting the traversalOn to
false. The reason I use this is because a locked field will still
show the focus border, which I do not want. I suppose I can lock the
field and lock the field. I will play around with it.


You can turn off the focusborder in the field's property inspector.

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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi Richard. You are "locking" fields. I am setting the traversalOn to false. 
The reason I use this is because a locked field will still show the focus 
border, which I do not want. I suppose I can lock the field and lock the field. 
I will play around with it. 

Bob S


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 12:35 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If has one menu and a simple script in it:
> 
> on menuPick pItemName
>   put the selectedText
> end menuPick
> 
> So here everything I do with selections in locked fields gives me the same 
> results as unlocked fields.  I've had products that rely heavily on this 
> behavior.  If you're seeing something different we need to dig into specifics 
> to discover the differences. But once we do I'm confident we can get it to 
> work for you.
> 
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

The difference is, turning traversal off, rather than setting the locktext
to true doesn't work. Even if one manages to hilite text in the
non-traversable field, it isn't really selected. (Which is why if it were
me I'd not do it that way)


On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > On Feb 24, 2017, at 10:06 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> That should not be needed.
> >>
> >> LiveCode allows only one active field selection in non-list fields.
> >
> > Yes I did. It returns empty. I have a menu which intercepts the
> > Copy menu selection. I hilite the text in a field whose traversalOn
> > is false, then select Copy from the menu. In the menu handler I have
> > "put the selectedText". I also tried "hilitedText". Neither work. I
> > also tried the hilitedText of field "fldIPAddress". No bueno. If
> > however you SET the hilitedText from a handler, it DOES return
> > something. So it's clear that the property CAN be set even if
> > traversalOn is false. The engine is just not doing it.
> >
> > This has actually been the case since version 2 when I began using
> > Revolution.
>
> Which Copy menu item, LC's or one of yours?
>
> In my last recipe I was using the copy command but you said you were
> having issues with the selectedText, so I came up with this one:
> http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/LockedFieldText.livecode
>
> If has one menu and a simple script in it:
>
> on menuPick pItemName
>put the selectedText
> end menuPick
>
> So here everything I do with selections in locked fields gives me the same
> results as unlocked fields.  I've had products that rely heavily on this
> behavior.  If you're seeing something different we need to dig into
> specifics to discover the differences.  But once we do I'm confident we can
> get it to work for you.
>
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 10:06 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> That should not be needed.
>>
>> LiveCode allows only one active field selection in non-list fields.
>
> Yes I did. It returns empty. I have a menu which intercepts the
> Copy menu selection. I hilite the text in a field whose traversalOn
> is false, then select Copy from the menu. In the menu handler I have
> "put the selectedText". I also tried "hilitedText". Neither work. I
> also tried the hilitedText of field "fldIPAddress". No bueno. If
> however you SET the hilitedText from a handler, it DOES return
> something. So it's clear that the property CAN be set even if
> traversalOn is false. The engine is just not doing it.
>
> This has actually been the case since version 2 when I began using
> Revolution.

Which Copy menu item, LC's or one of yours?

In my last recipe I was using the copy command but you said you were 
having issues with the selectedText, so I came up with this one:

http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/LockedFieldText.livecode

If has one menu and a simple script in it:

on menuPick pItemName
   put the selectedText
end menuPick

So here everything I do with selections in locked fields gives me the 
same results as unlocked fields.  I've had products that rely heavily on 
this behavior.  If you're seeing something different we need to dig into 
specifics to discover the differences.  But once we do I'm confident we 
can get it to work for you.


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Yes I did. It returns empty. I have a menu which intercepts the Copy menu 
selection. I hilite the text in a field whose traversalOn is false, then select 
Copy from the menu. In the menu handler I have "put the selectedText". I also 
tried "hilitedText". Neither work. I also tried the hilitedText of field 
"fldIPAddress". No bueno. If however you SET the hilitedText from a handler, it 
DOES return something. So it's clear that the property CAN be set even if 
traversalOn is false. The engine is just not doing it. 

This has actually been the case since version 2 when I began using Revolution. 

Bob S


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 10:06 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That should not be needed.
> 
> LiveCode allows only one active field selection in non-list fields.


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Enhancement Request 19323 submitted.
>
> As to your post, yes the selectedText 'of the field' will work.
> But a menu command like "Copy" would not know which field was
> selected. I suppose I could loop through all the fields and get
> the one which was not empty. I'll play with that a bit.

Did you try it without the "of "?

That should not be needed.

LiveCode allows only one active field selection in non-list fields.

This means that selecting a text run will in any field that allows it 
will cause any other field to lose selection and become the 
selectedField.  This is independent of other properties like lockText, 
and is logically needed to prevent cases where more than one field might 
have a run of text selected.


I've been relying on solid handling of text selections in locked fields 
for years, but just in case I also tested this in v9 right now:


1. Make a field as you describe

2. Make a button with this script:

on mouseUp
   select word 2 of fld 1
   copy
end mouseUp

3. Turn off the button's traversalOn property.

That's essential for the same reason this all works:  like most systems, 
LC only has one keyboard-focused object at a time, and if the 
traversalOn is off (why isn't it just called "traversal"?) then clicking 
on it will not take keyboard focus away from other objects, like the 
selection of text runs in fields.


4. Click the button.

5. Paste into any editor and see if it worked.

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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

If by "as expected" you mean the selectedText of the field can be obtained, 
then this is likely because you set it with the button. Selecting it with a 
cursor does not behave the same way. How odd. I may have to dig into the IDE 
and find where this is happening. 

Bob S


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 09:50 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> To test this, I had a button set the
>> selection, made sure that traversal was off, then put the selectedtext of
>> the field, and it worked as expected.


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Enhancement Request 19323 submitted. 

As to your post, yes the selectedText 'of the field' will work. But a menu 
command like "Copy" would not know which field was selected. I suppose I could 
loop through all the fields and get the one which was not empty. I'll play with 
that a bit. 

Bob S


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 09:36 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> One last thing. On windows, with traversalon and locktext to true, text is
> selectable, but as expected there is no insertion point.  The only way I
> can make a selection with traversalon = false is to double click a word.
> 
> This is the opposite of just setting the locktext to true, one can drag and
> select, but multi clicks don't select. getting the selectedtext of field
> "whatever" does indeed work. (and you could turn off the focusborder too)
> 
> My guess is that despite the hilite that appears when traversal is off, the
> text isn't actually selected.  To test this, I had a button set the
> selection, made sure that traversal was off, then put the selectedtext of
> the field, and it worked as expected.
> 
> So, I'd call it a bug. Either a) one shouldn't be able to faux select in
> that mode, or b) it should be an actual real selection which it obviously
> is not.


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

*sigh*  my mistake again.  Even when selecting a word with script it
doesn't work. (I still had locktext on, combined with traversal being off,
and THAT worked.  As soon as I turned the locktext back off it failed to
work)

Shutting up now, till I get some sleep. :D

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> One last thing. On windows, with traversalon and locktext to true, text is
> selectable, but as expected there is no insertion point.  The only way I
> can make a selection with traversalon = false is to double click a word.
>
> This is the opposite of just setting the locktext to true, one can drag
> and select, but multi clicks don't select. getting the selectedtext of
> field "whatever" does indeed work. (and you could turn off the focusborder
> too)
>
> My guess is that despite the hilite that appears when traversal is off,
> the text isn't actually selected.  To test this, I had a button set the
> selection, made sure that traversal was off, then put the selectedtext of
> the field, and it worked as expected.
>
> So, I'd call it a bug. Either a) one shouldn't be able to faux select in
> that mode, or b) it should be an actual real selection which it obviously
> is not.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll submit one.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 24, 2017, at 09:21 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Nevermind, it doesn't work, and I think it should.  Enhancement request?
>> > Bug?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Mike Bonner 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> of field "fieldname" is an optional argument youcan use.
>> >>
>> >> get the selectedtext of field "myfield"
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi all.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Short Version:
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there a way to get the hilited text for a control without focus?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

One last thing. On windows, with traversalon and locktext to true, text is
selectable, but as expected there is no insertion point.  The only way I
can make a selection with traversalon = false is to double click a word.

This is the opposite of just setting the locktext to true, one can drag and
select, but multi clicks don't select. getting the selectedtext of field
"whatever" does indeed work. (and you could turn off the focusborder too)

My guess is that despite the hilite that appears when traversal is off, the
text isn't actually selected.  To test this, I had a button set the
selection, made sure that traversal was off, then put the selectedtext of
the field, and it worked as expected.

So, I'd call it a bug. Either a) one shouldn't be able to faux select in
that mode, or b) it should be an actual real selection which it obviously
is not.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'll submit one.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 2017, at 09:21 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nevermind, it doesn't work, and I think it should.  Enhancement request?
> > Bug?
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Mike Bonner 
> wrote:
> >
> >> of field "fieldname" is an optional argument youcan use.
> >>
> >> get the selectedtext of field "myfield"
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all.
> >>>
> >>> The Short Version:
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way to get the hilited text for a control without focus?
> >>>
> >>>
>
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I'll submit one. 

Bob S


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 09:21 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nevermind, it doesn't work, and I think it should.  Enhancement request?
> Bug?
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> 
>> of field "fieldname" is an optional argument youcan use.
>> 
>> get the selectedtext of field "myfield"
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> The Short Version:
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to get the hilited text for a control without focus?
>>> 
>>> 


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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Nevermind, it doesn't work, and I think it should.  Enhancement request?
Bug?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> of field "fieldname" is an optional argument youcan use.
>
> get the selectedtext of field "myfield"
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> The Short Version:
>>
>> Is there a way to get the hilited text for a control without focus?
>>
>>
>> The Long Version:
>>
>> I use a method for forms (by which I mean LC cards with fields and
>> buttons on them) where I set the traversalOn to false on all the fields
>> when I am simply viewing the data, so that the user will not be led to
>> believe they are making actual edits to the database simply because they
>> changed the value of a field.
>>
>> I have new/edit buttons that then set the traversalOn accordingly. But
>> when not editing (view mode no traversalOn) users can still hilited text in
>> a field. Of course, the field does not receive focus (no focus border) but
>> it is clear that a selection has been made.
>>
>> My question is, HOW DO I GET THAT SELECTION? I want the user to be able
>> to copy text in view mode, but unless the control has traversalOn set to
>> true, AND the control has focus, none of the text selection commands seem
>> to work. Not only that, none of the field handlers work. OpenField,
>> selectionChanged, nothing.
>>
>> It would be better i suppose if the end user was unable to even select
>> text in this mode (I can accomplish that with lockText) that for the text
>> to be hilited, but nothing can be done with it. I can work around this I am
>> sure, but it will require a lot of factoring.
>>
>> My question is, is there a way to get that visible selection? The engine
>> is obviously hiliting it.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
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Re: The selectedText for controls without focus

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

of field "fieldname" is an optional argument youcan use.

get the selectedtext of field "myfield"

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> The Short Version:
>
> Is there a way to get the hilited text for a control without focus?
>
>
> The Long Version:
>
> I use a method for forms (by which I mean LC cards with fields and buttons
> on them) where I set the traversalOn to false on all the fields when I am
> simply viewing the data, so that the user will not be led to believe they
> are making actual edits to the database simply because they changed the
> value of a field.
>
> I have new/edit buttons that then set the traversalOn accordingly. But
> when not editing (view mode no traversalOn) users can still hilited text in
> a field. Of course, the field does not receive focus (no focus border) but
> it is clear that a selection has been made.
>
> My question is, HOW DO I GET THAT SELECTION? I want the user to be able to
> copy text in view mode, but unless the control has traversalOn set to true,
> AND the control has focus, none of the text selection commands seem to
> work. Not only that, none of the field handlers work. OpenField,
> selectionChanged, nothing.
>
> It would be better i suppose if the end user was unable to even select
> text in this mode (I can accomplish that with lockText) that for the text
> to be hilited, but nothing can be done with it. I can work around this I am
> sure, but it will require a lot of factoring.
>
> My question is, is there a way to get that visible selection? The engine
> is obviously hiliting it.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
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The selectedText for controls without focus

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi all. 

The Short Version:

Is there a way to get the hilited text for a control without focus?


The Long Version:

I use a method for forms (by which I mean LC cards with fields and buttons on 
them) where I set the traversalOn to false on all the fields when I am simply 
viewing the data, so that the user will not be led to believe they are making 
actual edits to the database simply because they changed the value of a field. 

I have new/edit buttons that then set the traversalOn accordingly. But when not 
editing (view mode no traversalOn) users can still hilited text in a field. Of 
course, the field does not receive focus (no focus border) but it is clear that 
a selection has been made. 

My question is, HOW DO I GET THAT SELECTION? I want the user to be able to copy 
text in view mode, but unless the control has traversalOn set to true, AND the 
control has focus, none of the text selection commands seem to work. Not only 
that, none of the field handlers work. OpenField, selectionChanged, nothing. 

It would be better i suppose if the end user was unable to even select text in 
this mode (I can accomplish that with lockText) that for the text to be 
hilited, but nothing can be done with it. I can work around this I am sure, but 
it will require a lot of factoring. 

My question is, is there a way to get that visible selection? The engine is 
obviously hiliting it. 

Bob S



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