Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Why need there be such a long-winded discussion anent download time?

Surely we are all not so impatient a 90 minute or so wait is not that 
significant to move from a Release

Candidate to a Stable version?

Richmond.

On 22.05.21 19:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
It was Thursday, the day after the announcement, mid-afternoon Central 
time. But part of the problem may have been on my end, recently our 
bandwidth has been dropping to unacceptable speeds sporadically. Never 
down in the kilobyte ranges though.


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On May 22, 2021 1:22:27 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Do you remember approx. what time of day?
And was it soon after a release announcement?




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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

It was Thursday, the day after the announcement, mid-afternoon Central 
time. But part of the problem may have been on my end, recently our 
bandwidth has been dropping to unacceptable speeds sporadically. Never down 
in the kilobyte ranges though.


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On May 22, 2021 1:22:27 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Do you remember approx. what time of day?
And was it soon after a release announcement?




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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

That's better!

Op 21-5-2021 om 11:31 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode:


JeeJeeStudio:

> And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download
> while my download speedtest is 74.87Mbps...
> That's the speed back in 1996...

That happens to me a lot. Like the T3 cyborg using dial-up in the past.

But I'm happy to report an LC 9.6.2 download at 5 MB/sec!
From East Coast USA during the wee hours of the morning.
So that's a good start to the day.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Directly from the download page downloads.livecode.com.

In previous times this was, for me, at normal speeds. I know others 
suffered from slow downloads.


All the best,

Jerry

Op 21-5-2021 om 11:38 schreef Heather Laine via use-livecode:

Were you downloading direct from your account or via the updater? I thought 
we'd fixed the updater in this respect. What version of LiveCode were you 
updating from if you did use the updater?

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




On 19 May 2021, at 20:19, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Great!

And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download while my download speedtest is 
74.87Mbps...

That's the speed back in 1996...


Op 18-5-2021 om 16:55 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
(9.6.1), including:

New Features
   - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
   - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
   - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK

Bug Fixes:
   - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
   - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
   - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
   - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
   - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Jacqueline:

> Just a data point: yesterday I downloaded 9.6.2 stable directly
> from the download page and got about 500 kb/second. It took a
> very long time to get the file.

Yes! That's my typical experience. (Except lower than 500 kb.)
LC download usually takes forever, and sometimes fails altogether.

So in fact, my intention was only to START the 9.6.2 download and come 
back later to check on it. The 5 MB/sec was a pleasant surprise!


> yesterday

Do you remember approx. what time of day?
And was it soon after a release announcement?

My happy 5 MB/sec was at around 2 AM Eastern Time on a weekday.
It was not right after any release announcement.
Also from the download page, not the Updater app.

Perhaps a time of lower LC traffic? Or just a fluke?
Felt great to finish up the DL and run a new IDE within two minutes

Best wishes,

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Just a data point: yesterday I downloaded 9.6.2 stable directly from the 
download page and got about 500 kb/second. It took a very long time to get 
the file. I figured something was going on with the server.

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On May 21, 2021 4:40:04 AM Heather Laine via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Were you downloading direct from your account or via the updater? I thought 
we'd fixed the updater in this respect. What version of LiveCode were you 
updating from if you did use the updater?


Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



On 19 May 2021, at 20:19, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Great!

And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download while my download speedtest is 
74.87Mbps...


That's the speed back in 1996...


Op 18-5-2021 om 16:55 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
(9.6.1), including:

New Features
  - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
  - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
  - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK

Bug Fixes:
  - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
  - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
  - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
  - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
  - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Were you downloading direct from your account or via the updater? I thought 
we'd fixed the updater in this respect. What version of LiveCode were you 
updating from if you did use the updater?

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 19 May 2021, at 20:19, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Great!
> 
> And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download while my download speedtest is 
> 74.87Mbps...
> 
> That's the speed back in 1996...
> 
> 
> Op 18-5-2021 om 16:55 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.
>> 
>> 
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
>> the automatic updater.
>> 
>> 
>> Release Contents
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
>> (9.6.1), including:
>> 
>> New Features
>>   - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
>>   - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
>>   - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK
>> 
>> Bug Fixes:
>>   - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
>>   - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
>>   - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
>>   - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
>>   - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements
>> 
>> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
>> release notes:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> Known issues
>> 
>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
>> Cinnamon window manager.
>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Required Software
>> =
>> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
>> Xcode as follows:
>> 
>>   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
>> SDK
>>   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 13.2 SDK
>>   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 14.1 SDK
>> 
>> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>> 
>> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
>> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
>> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
>> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
>> installing it separately.
>> 
>> Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
>> the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
>> means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
>> running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
>> version of Xcode.
>> 
>> 
>> Feedback
>> 
>> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>> 
>> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>> 
>> 
>> Have fun!
>> The LiveCode Team
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

JeeJeeStudio:

> And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download
> while my download speedtest is 74.87Mbps...
> That's the speed back in 1996...

That happens to me a lot. Like the T3 cyborg using dial-up in the past.

But I'm happy to report an LC 9.6.2 download at 5 MB/sec!
From East Coast USA during the wee hours of the morning.
So that's a good start to the day.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Great!

And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download while my download speedtest 
is 74.87Mbps...


That's the speed back in 1996...


Op 18-5-2021 om 16:55 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
(9.6.1), including:

New Features
   - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
   - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
   - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK

Bug Fixes:
   - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
   - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
   - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
   - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
   - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
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[ANN] Release 9.6.2

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
(9.6.1), including:

New Features
  - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
  - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
  - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK

Bug Fixes:
  - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
  - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
  - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
  - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
  - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
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[ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-6

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-6.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-6 comes with 3 regression fixes:

- Fix 100% CPU usage when the player control is set to load an unplayable
media file on Macos Big Sur
- Fix rectangle border inset too much when printing on Windows or to PDF
- Ensure externals are not blocked by hardened runtime

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_6.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
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[ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-5.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-5 comes with 2 regression fixes:

- revUpdateGeometry in resizeStack handler causes a lock up when
maximizing/unmaximizing stack on Big Sur
- Script Editor not resizable - it is freezing up on Big Sur

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_5.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Many thanks mark for explaining.
So the IDE is a real 32 bit or a real 64bit application.
Am I understanding it correct that it is the same for the executable an LC
user/devbuilds for Windows? the build of a stack is a real 64bit?

Op di 13 apr. 2021 om 18:09 schreef Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> On 2021-04-13 16:46, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mark.
> >
> > I downloaded LC 9.6.2 for Windows and installed it on a Server 2012
> > VM. It installed in the Program Files (x86) folder. I was under the
> > impression that only happens when the app is a 32 bit app.
>
> Then you downloaded the 32-bit installer.
>
> > Are you implying the standalones are 64 bit but the LC app is 32? If
> > that were the case, then no benchmarks done in the IDE would be valid.
> > But it's more likely I am misinformed.
>
> Both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows IDEs can build 32-bit and/or 64-bit
> windows standalones - you can choose in the standalone builder.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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RE: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[chipsm themartinz.com via use-livecode]

Hi everyone. I am totally confused by this topic.
I know that I downloaded the LC 9.6.2 RC4 64 bit windows version and Windows 10 
,latest update, refuses to run the installer.
I have been watching the list and decided to just wait and see if there would 
be a fix for this. I have turned off my McAfee to see if that would help, but 
to no avail. I have also tried to install the program using the administrator 
option.
Is there any recommendations for a solution to this problem? Is this the 
problem that everyone is Listing about?

Sincerely,

Clarence Martin
Email: chi...@themartinz.com
Phone: 626 6965561

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Mark 
Waddingham via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:09 AM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Mark Waddingham 
Subject: Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

On 2021-04-13 16:46, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Mark.
> 
> I downloaded LC 9.6.2 for Windows and installed it on a Server 2012 
> VM. It installed in the Program Files (x86) folder. I was under the 
> impression that only happens when the app is a 32 bit app.

Then you downloaded the 32-bit installer.

> Are you implying the standalones are 64 bit but the LC app is 32? If 
> that were the case, then no benchmarks done in the IDE would be valid.
> But it's more likely I am misinformed.

Both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows IDEs can build 32-bit and/or 64-bit windows 
standalones - you can choose in the standalone builder.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2021-04-13 16:46, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Mark.

I downloaded LC 9.6.2 for Windows and installed it on a Server 2012
VM. It installed in the Program Files (x86) folder. I was under the
impression that only happens when the app is a 32 bit app.


Then you downloaded the 32-bit installer.


Are you implying the standalones are 64 bit but the LC app is 32? If
that were the case, then no benchmarks done in the IDE would be valid.
But it's more likely I am misinformed.


Both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows IDEs can build 32-bit and/or 64-bit 
windows standalones - you can choose in the standalone builder.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi Mark. 

I downloaded LC 9.6.2 for Windows and installed it on a Server 2012 VM. It 
installed in the Program Files (x86) folder. I was under the impression that 
only happens when the app is a 32 bit app. 

Are you implying the standalones are 64 bit but the LC app is 32? If that were 
the case, then no benchmarks done in the IDE would be valid. But it's more 
likely I am misinformed. 

Bob S


> On Apr 13, 2021, at 08:19 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2021-04-13 16:15, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> Do the release notes need updating?
> 
> Hah! Yes - we've had a 64-bit windows build (separate installer) available 
> since 9.5.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2021-04-13 16:15, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

Do the release notes need updating?


Hah! Yes - we've had a 64-bit windows build (separate installer) 
available since 9.5.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 4/13/21 4:48 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

No - its either running as a 32-bit app (if you have installed the 
32-bit version of LC) or as a 64-bit app (if you have installed the 
64-bit version of LC) - there's no emulation going on - the difference 
is the processor mode the executables are run in.


Windows, macOS and Linux all handle 32-bit vs 64-bit exactly the same 
way... The versions of the OS which can run both, have two sets of code 
for everything in the OS - one 32-bit and one 64-bit. The only 
difference is what those OSes call it / how they package it.


Hmmm... the release notes under Platform support | Windows says

"Note: On 64-bit Windows installations, LiveCode runs as a 32-bit 
application through the WoW layer."


Do the release notes need updating?

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2021-04-09 22:25, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Ya so LC for Windows is basically running in an emulator.


No - its either running as a 32-bit app (if you have installed the 
32-bit version of LC) or as a 64-bit app (if you have installed the 
64-bit version of LC) - there's no emulation going on - the difference 
is the processor mode the executables are run in.


Windows, macOS and Linux all handle 32-bit vs 64-bit exactly the same 
way... The versions of the OS which can run both, have two sets of code 
for everything in the OS - one 32-bit and one 64-bit. The only 
difference is what those OSes call it / how they package it.


On Windows, the 32-bit set of libraries is called WoW 
(Windows-on-Windows), on Linux its called 'multi-arch' or 'multilib' (I 
think at least?), on macOS its called 'universal executables'.


macOS does have the advantage that the Mach-O binary executable format 
allows multiple architectures in the same binary which means it is all 
entirely hidden from the user. Neither PE (Windows) nor ELF (Linux) 
allow that, so user ends up having to choose the appropriate installer / 
run the appropriate installer command.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

> On 9 Apr 2021, at 20:49, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Of course it's 32bits, even the builds are 32bits on windows except they are 
> packed in a 64bit container.

I’m not sure about that because my Surface Pro X can only run x86-32 apps and 
it can run LiveCode. If it was somehow wrapped in 64bits anything, it would say 
that it is not compatible with it.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Ya so LC for Windows is basically running in an emulator. 

Bob S


> On Apr 9, 2021, at 12:49 , JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Of course it's 32bits, even the builds are 32bits on windows except they are 
> packed in a 64bit container.
> 
> PLease correct me if I'm wrong
> 
> Op 8-4-2021 om 17:00 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
>> To be fail, I do not think the problem is Livecode, I think it’s Windows, 
>> and I am not sure there is much LC can do to get around whatever it is 
>> causing these issues. It could be that LC is still a 32 bit app (it installs 
>> in the 32 bit app folder).
>> 
>> Bob S

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Of course it's 32bits, even the builds are 32bits on windows except they 
are packed in a 64bit container.


PLease correct me if I'm wrong

Op 8-4-2021 om 17:00 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

To be fail, I do not think the problem is Livecode, I think it’s Windows, and I 
am not sure there is much LC can do to get around whatever it is causing these 
issues. It could be that LC is still a 32 bit app (it installs in the 32 bit 
app folder).

Bob S


On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

LiveCode is wy less responsive on Windows than on a Mac.

The script editor hangs all the time, even when you turn off all the smart 
stuff. Removing it from defender and stuff helps but doesn’t solve the problem.

LC is quite neglected on Windows and Linux. I understand that mac is the money 
making machine, but the kind of hiccups I see can only be explained by no one 
at HQ using Windows, or they’d have noticed it by now.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

At the turn of the century, so soon after HyperCard's death, it was 
understandable that Mac users would be disproportionately represented 
among LC customers.


For this to remain the case more than two decades later -- long past the 
time when most devs have never heard of HyperCard, Windows maintains 
it's 80+% market share, and Linux has a strongly disproportionate usage 
among professional developers -- would seem to evidence the difference 
between marketing and remarketin, between seeking growth and seeking 
remonitization of a fixed audience.


--
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Andre Garzia wrote:

> LC is quite neglected on Windows and Linux. I understand that mac
> is the money making machine, but the kind of hiccups I see can only
> be explained by no one at HQ using Windows, or they’d have noticed
> it by now.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

I'm running it over vnc to a remote server on a single core (2.4Ghz), 4gb
virtual system running Win Server 2016 standard. I edit my code
there directly and have only partial lag due mostly to the screen share,
dropbox scanning and single core nature of it. I've often made my feelings
known about where LC is failing. But this, for me at least, is not one of
them, even with all options on except bracket highlighting (can't remember
why I turned it off).

If you make sure your windows system is clean as it can be you shouldn't
see any serious performance issues. Maybe a bit slower just because (in my
dumb opinion) windoze is rubbish compared with macOS. Photoshop on my
windows pc is less responsive than on my mac. That's not Adobe's fault. LC
is not responsible for what system you are running on or the performance
caveats of one over the other. That's for us to deal with and handle the
best way we can, I guess. But, as highlighted in another thread recently,
what do I know!

Sean


On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 16:00, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> To be fail, I do not think the problem is Livecode, I think it’s Windows,
> and I am not sure there is much LC can do to get around whatever it is
> causing these issues. It could be that LC is still a 32 bit app (it
> installs in the 32 bit app folder).
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> LiveCode is wy less responsive on Windows than on a Mac.
>
> The script editor hangs all the time, even when you turn off all the smart
> stuff. Removing it from defender and stuff helps but doesn’t solve the
> problem.
>
> LC is quite neglected on Windows and Linux. I understand that mac is the
> money making machine, but the kind of hiccups I see can only be explained
> by no one at HQ using Windows, or they’d have noticed it by now.
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

To be fail, I do not think the problem is Livecode, I think it’s Windows, and I 
am not sure there is much LC can do to get around whatever it is causing these 
issues. It could be that LC is still a 32 bit app (it installs in the 32 bit 
app folder).

Bob S


On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

LiveCode is wy less responsive on Windows than on a Mac.

The script editor hangs all the time, even when you turn off all the smart 
stuff. Removing it from defender and stuff helps but doesn’t solve the problem.

LC is quite neglected on Windows and Linux. I understand that mac is the money 
making machine, but the kind of hiccups I see can only be explained by no one 
at HQ using Windows, or they’d have noticed it by now.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

LiveCode is wy less responsive on Windows than on a Mac.

The script editor hangs all the time, even when you turn off all the smart 
stuff. Removing it from defender and stuff helps but doesn’t solve the problem.

LC is quite neglected on Windows and Linux. I understand that mac is the money 
making machine, but the kind of hiccups I see can only be explained by no one 
at HQ using Windows, or they’d have noticed it by now.
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Lagi, I feel your pain, I do.

However, I only see a moderate amount of unresponsiveness and I can usually
put it down to the way I use it on Windoze in a VM on a Mac. The stack I am
working on at the moment takes 5 seconds to save on mac side but 30 seconds
on the Win10. My colleague running on a fast PC running native Win10 also
sees a 30 second save time. But I am guessing (only guessing, without
putting in any effort) that it is more to do with File Systems than
anything LC related.

Otherwise there is little difference I can find using LC on a Mac or PC.
Until LC9.6.1 where the script editor was uncoloured, 9.6.2RC2 which had a
bunch of editor issues on Mac only, RC3 which went into a loop as you drag
select in a field to scroll the text and select at the same time, again on
Mac side only.

So, without diminishing your feelings, your issue seems to be, not
necessarily unique but, perhaps nuanced to certain circumstances. Have you
tried it in a clean account on your computer? Or, perhaps, another machine.
Or maybe it is linked to the click/drag issue. Then again, I could be wrong
altogether and the performance does indeed need looking at.

Once upon a time, LC used to be coded so much more with LC itself. Now they
seem to spend a lot more time, understandably so, coding it in Atom over
github and rarely experiencing LC in its native form. Perhaps if they did
more often they might notice these issues for themselves while coding in
Windows, Linux and Mac builds of LC. Maybe they should set themselves the
task of building an Atom type editor in LC at home to experience it at its
worst. :)

Sean


On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 20:57, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> The unresponsiveness in Big Su is fixed and Ive only been asking for 3 or 4
> years that the unresponsiveness in windows 10 (and probably 7)
> is fixed.
>
> I have a 10th generation core I7 with 16G of ram and it runs like molasses
> - especially when using the debugger.
> Ive tried EVERYTHING short of running out in the F**g street naked
> whistling Dixie and NOBODY at HQ thinks its worth looking at the editor.
> Others here have said the same thing - maybe that is why Trevor uses
> sublime.
>
> Please don't tell me to exclude AV. I don't have AV , I exclude defender as
> well (the grey stuff between my ears is the best AV I have found).
>
> Unresponsive to me is typing  10 characters and seeing  them appear one by
> 1 after I  have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds
> between each debugger step ..
>
> I DON'T KNOW WHY I WASTE MY TIME!!
>
> Ive written longer rants than this but I leave them in the draft ( a la
> Honest Abe) so as not to offend, but the slow pace since the LCFM project
> (jam tomorrow)
> is a joke and we are charged yearly for mainly bug fixes of regressions.
>
> Lagi
>
> p.s. while i'm in rant mode - what about the sqlite library? .
>
> which reminds me of open language , which remi 
>
> HELLO ANYBODY LISTENING!!!
>
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4.
> >
> >
> > Getting the Release
> > ===
> > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via
> > the automatic updater.
> >
> >
> > Release Contents
> > 
> > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4 comes with 1 regression fix:
> >
> > - Fix unresponsiveness of engine when scrolling on Big Sur
> >
> > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> > release notes:
> >
> >
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_4.pdf
> >
> >
> > Known issues
> > 
> > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> with
> > Cinnamon window manager.
> > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
> LTS
> > yet.
> >
> >
> > Required Software
> > =
> > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> > Xcode as follows:
> >
> >   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 12.1
> > SDK
> >   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 13.2 SDK
> >   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 14.1 SDK
> >
> > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> >
> > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> > installing it separately.
> >
> > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wi

Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I just DL LC 9.6.2 RC4 on a Windows VM running Server 2012R2. Saving is much 
faster, although not quite up to speed with the Mac OS. Querying a database 
however seems to be quite slow. 

When running a tick counter on my MacOS I get this:
sites: 7
devices: 4
accessories: 6
service: 7
service: 6
devices: 6
contacts: 7

On Windows I get this:
sites: 48
devices: 48
accessories: 47
service: 48
service: 48
devices: 47
contacts: 48

anywhere from roughly 6 to 10 times as long. 

The script editor in a large script is not very responsive. I get the typing 
delay as is described. 

Bob S



> On Apr 7, 2021, at 14:16 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/7/2021 3:57 PM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:
>> Unresponsive to me is typing  10 characters and seeing  them appear one by
>> 1 after I  have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds
>> between each debugger step ..
> 
> I'm not saying you're not seeing an unacceptable slow down on your system, 
> but as another data point, I have a Windows 10, Dell laptop with a AMD Ryzen 
> 5 (equivalent of Intel i5) with 16GB and HDD (not SDD) and I don't see any 
> slow downs like this in LC9.6.2rc 1,2,3 or 4. When I am developing, I am 
> generally only running a email client, browser, text editor, and LiveCode. 
> Windows IDE responsiveness seems about the same as my 16gb MacBook Pro, maybe 
> a hair faster, but then again I use the Windows laptop a little more often 
> than the MacBook so its hard to say.
> 
> I do experience occasions where WIndows 10 slows down - badly - typing 10 
> characters and waiting 5-10 seconds before any of them appear. Some of these 
> occasions I have correlated with downloads of Windows updates. Other I can't 
> explain.
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

On 4/7/2021 3:57 PM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:

Unresponsive to me is typing  10 characters and seeing  them appear one by
1 after I  have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds
between each debugger step ..


I'm not saying you're not seeing an unacceptable slow down on your 
system, but as another data point, I have a Windows 10, Dell laptop with 
a AMD Ryzen 5 (equivalent of Intel i5) with 16GB and HDD (not SDD) and I 
don't see any slow downs like this in LC9.6.2rc 1,2,3 or 4. When I am 
developing, I am generally only running a email client, browser, text 
editor, and LiveCode. Windows IDE responsiveness seems about the same as 
my 16gb MacBook Pro, maybe a hair faster, but then again I use the 
Windows laptop a little more often than the MacBook so its hard to say.


I do experience occasions where WIndows 10 slows down - badly - typing 
10 characters and waiting 5-10 seconds before any of them appear. Some 
of these occasions I have correlated with downloads of Windows updates. 
Other I can't explain.




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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi Lagi,

What unresponsiveness in windows 10 are you referring to?
the one that needs wait 0 with messages to avoid a frozen window?

I just reported what i think is a bug that has been there for years and
thats endless high cpu usage when using -ui flag . on WIndows 10 ...
and 7. I think.
I regret not submitting it when I first came across it.  Lesson learned.

Thanks,

Tom








On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:59 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> The unresponsiveness in Big Su is fixed and Ive only been asking for 3 or 4
> years that the unresponsiveness in windows 10 (and probably 7)
> is fixed.
>
> I have a 10th generation core I7 with 16G of ram and it runs like molasses
> - especially when using the debugger.
> Ive tried EVERYTHING short of running out in the F**g street naked
> whistling Dixie and NOBODY at HQ thinks its worth looking at the editor.
> Others here have said the same thing - maybe that is why Trevor uses
> sublime.
>
> Please don't tell me to exclude AV. I don't have AV , I exclude defender as
> well (the grey stuff between my ears is the best AV I have found).
>
> Unresponsive to me is typing  10 characters and seeing  them appear one by
> 1 after I  have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds
> between each debugger step ..
>
> I DON'T KNOW WHY I WASTE MY TIME!!
>
> Ive written longer rants than this but I leave them in the draft ( a la
> Honest Abe) so as not to offend, but the slow pace since the LCFM project
> (jam tomorrow)
> is a joke and we are charged yearly for mainly bug fixes of regressions.
>
> Lagi
>
> p.s. while i'm in rant mode - what about the sqlite library? .
>
> which reminds me of open language , which remi 
>
> HELLO ANYBODY LISTENING!!!
>
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4.
> >
> >
> > Getting the Release
> > ===
> > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via
> > the automatic updater.
> >
> >
> > Release Contents
> > 
> > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4 comes with 1 regression fix:
> >
> > - Fix unresponsiveness of engine when scrolling on Big Sur
> >
> > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> > release notes:
> >
> >
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_4.pdf
> >
> >
> > Known issues
> > 
> > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> with
> > Cinnamon window manager.
> > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
> LTS
> > yet.
> >
> >
> > Required Software
> > =
> > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> > Xcode as follows:
> >
> >   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 12.1
> > SDK
> >   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 13.2 SDK
> >   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 14.1 SDK
> >
> > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> >
> > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> > installing it separately.
> >
> > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> > AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> > able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> >
> >
> > Feedback
> > 
> > Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> > http://quality.livecode.com/
> >
> > We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
> >
> >
> > Have fun!
> > The LiveCode Team
> >
> >
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi

The unresponsiveness in Big Su is fixed and Ive only been asking for 3 or 4
years that the unresponsiveness in windows 10 (and probably 7)
is fixed.

I have a 10th generation core I7 with 16G of ram and it runs like molasses
- especially when using the debugger.
Ive tried EVERYTHING short of running out in the F**g street naked
whistling Dixie and NOBODY at HQ thinks its worth looking at the editor.
Others here have said the same thing - maybe that is why Trevor uses
sublime.

Please don't tell me to exclude AV. I don't have AV , I exclude defender as
well (the grey stuff between my ears is the best AV I have found).

Unresponsive to me is typing  10 characters and seeing  them appear one by
1 after I  have finished typing , or waiting for 3 4 or more seconds
between each debugger step ..

I DON'T KNOW WHY I WASTE MY TIME!!

Ive written longer rants than this but I leave them in the draft ( a la
Honest Abe) so as not to offend, but the slow pace since the LCFM project
(jam tomorrow)
is a joke and we are charged yearly for mainly bug fixes of regressions.

Lagi

p.s. while i'm in rant mode - what about the sqlite library? .

which reminds me of open language , which remi 

HELLO ANYBODY LISTENING!!!

On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4.
>
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4 comes with 1 regression fix:
>
> - Fix unresponsiveness of engine when scrolling on Big Sur
>
> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> release notes:
>
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_4.pdf
>
>
> Known issues
> 
> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
> Cinnamon window manager.
> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
> yet.
>
>
> Required Software
> =
> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> Xcode as follows:
>
>   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
> SDK
>   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 13.2 SDK
>   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 14.1 SDK
>
> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>
> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> installing it separately.
>
> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>
>
> Feedback
> 
> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>
>
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team
>
>
>
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[ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-4

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-4 comes with 1 regression fix:

- Fix unresponsiveness of engine when scrolling on Big Sur

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_4.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Just out of interest, do you see this just with the Livecode IDE or also with a 
Livecode standalone?

-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 17.03.2021 um 09:19 schrieb Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Ok, after a day or so it creeps back. Unplug extra monitor, restart LiveCode, 
> plug in extra monitor. Annoying, but maybe not a showstopper...
> 
> I only see this with LiveCode and not any of my other apps.
> 
> :-Håkan
> On 16 Mar 2021, 08:08 +0100, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone testing this! Trashing the prefs didn’t help, trashing 
>> all files in the ”Application support”-folder didn’t help! But, I tried to 
>> unplug my second monitor… Started LC and then, everything worked! Plugged 
>> the monitor back again, end now, it works! Now I can even click the buttons 
>> in the ”Save before closing”-dialog that is tucked to the menu bar. I have 
>> not been able to do that before!
>> 
>> The only hiccup now is that the revMenubar starts right aligned on my second 
>> monitor, but I always move it to my second (bigger) screen anyway so that is 
>> a minor bump in the road.
>> 
>> :-Håkan
>> On 16 Mar 2021, 04:23 +0100, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> I just downloaded and tested on my MBP16(2019), single screen, MacOS
>>> 11.2.2, and also in parallels Win10(v1909) and had no issues.
>>> 
>>> BTW, visual effects work a dream and even macOS CoreImage effects work
>>> great. Super. Hope to see more (HTML5, hint, hint) soon.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 18:28, Richmond via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and
 fired it up
 without any problems at all:
 
 macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.
 
 I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at
 startup) that is
 clogging up the works.
 
 Best, Richmond.
 
 On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:
> After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts
 but is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t
 click anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select
 ”Quit” from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do
 is to ”Force Quit” the application.
> 
> Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual
 monitor setup.
> 
> Any one else having this???
> 
> :-Håkan
> On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
>> 
>> 
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
 via
>> the automatic updater.
>> 
>> 
>> Release Contents
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
>> 
>> - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
>> - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
>> - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
>> - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
>> 
>> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
>> release notes:
>> 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> Known issues
>> 
>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
 with
>> Cinnamon window manager.
>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
 LTS
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Required Software
>> =
>> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions
 of
>> Xcode as follows:
>> 
>> - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
 12.1
>> SDK
>> - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 13.2 SDK
>> - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 14.1 SDK
>> 
>> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>> 
>> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
>> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
>> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the
 specific
>> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
>> installing it separately.
>> 
>> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
>> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
>> AppStore you will have to be running at least 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

Ok, after a day or so it creeps back. Unplug extra monitor, restart LiveCode, 
plug in extra monitor. Annoying, but maybe not a showstopper...

I only see this with LiveCode and not any of my other apps.

:-Håkan
On 16 Mar 2021, 08:08 +0100, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Thanks to everyone testing this! Trashing the prefs didn’t help, trashing all 
> files in the ”Application support”-folder didn’t help! But, I tried to unplug 
> my second monitor… Started LC and then, everything worked! Plugged the 
> monitor back again, end now, it works! Now I can even click the buttons in 
> the ”Save before closing”-dialog that is tucked to the menu bar. I have not 
> been able to do that before!
>
> The only hiccup now is that the revMenubar starts right aligned on my second 
> monitor, but I always move it to my second (bigger) screen anyway so that is 
> a minor bump in the road.
>
> :-Håkan
> On 16 Mar 2021, 04:23 +0100, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
> > I just downloaded and tested on my MBP16(2019), single screen, MacOS
> > 11.2.2, and also in parallels Win10(v1909) and had no issues.
> >
> > BTW, visual effects work a dream and even macOS CoreImage effects work
> > great. Super. Hope to see more (HTML5, hint, hint) soon.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 18:28, Richmond via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and
> > > fired it up
> > > without any problems at all:
> > >
> > > macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.
> > >
> > > I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at
> > > startup) that is
> > > clogging up the works.
> > >
> > > Best, Richmond.
> > >
> > > On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:
> > > > After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts
> > > but is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I 
> > > can’t
> > > click anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select
> > > ”Quit” from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can 
> > > do
> > > is to ”Force Quit” the application.
> > > >
> > > > Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual
> > > monitor setup.
> > > >
> > > > Any one else having this???
> > > >
> > > > :-Håkan
> > > > On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > > > > Dear list members,
> > > > >
> > > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Getting the Release
> > > > > ===
> > > > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> > > via
> > > > > the automatic updater.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Release Contents
> > > > > 
> > > > > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
> > > > > - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
> > > > > - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
> > > > > - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
> > > > >
> > > > > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see 
> > > > > the
> > > > > release notes:
> > > > >
> > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Known issues
> > > > > 
> > > > > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> > > with
> > > > > Cinnamon window manager.
> > > > > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 
> > > > > bit
> > > LTS
> > > > > yet.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Required Software
> > > > > =
> > > > > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions
> > > of
> > > > > Xcode as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > > 12.1
> > > > > SDK
> > > > > - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > > > > 13.2 SDK
> > > > > - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the 
> > > > > iOS
> > > > > 14.1 SDK
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations 
> > > > > here:
> > > > > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> > > > > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we 
> > > > > strongly
> > > > > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the
> > > specific
> > > > > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> > > > > installing it separately.
> > > > >
> > > > > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps 
> > > > > built
> > > > > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> > > > > AppStore you will have to be running at l

Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Richmond via use-livecode]

That nonsense about extra monitors seems to be a MacOS 11 "thing".

I generally have 2 powered USB hubs connected via my USB-C to HDMI 
monitor things: if they are connected when I start up
no video signal is sent to either my right or my left monitor, only to 
the central one. If, having started up like that, I
unplug those 2 hubs, count to 10, and then reconnect them, I get video 
signals to all 3 monitors.


Totally Mental!

Best, Richmond.

On 16.03.21 9:05, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

Thanks to everyone testing this! Trashing the prefs didn’t help, trashing all 
files in the ”Application support”-folder didn’t help! But, I tried to unplug 
my second monitor… Started LC and then, everything worked! Plugged the monitor 
back again, end now, it works! Now I can even click the buttons in the ”Save 
before closing”-dialog that is tucked to the menu bar. I have not been able to 
do that before!

The only hiccup now is that the revMenubar starts right aligned on my second 
monitor, but I always move it to my second (bigger) screen anyway so that is a 
minor bump in the road.

:-Håkan
On 16 Mar 2021, 04:23 +0100, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
, wrote:

I just downloaded and tested on my MBP16(2019), single screen, MacOS
11.2.2, and also in parallels Win10(v1909) and had no issues.

BTW, visual effects work a dream and even macOS CoreImage effects work
great. Super. Hope to see more (HTML5, hint, hint) soon.

Sean

On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 18:28, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and
fired it up
without any problems at all:

macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.

I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at
startup) that is
clogging up the works.

Best, Richmond.

On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts

but is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t
click anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select
”Quit” from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do
is to ”Force Quit” the application.

Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual

monitor setup.

Any one else having this???

:-Håkan
On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or

via

the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:

- Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
- Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
- mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
- PDF Widget broken on iOS device

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:


http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros

with

Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit

LTS

yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions

of

Xcode as follows:

- macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS

12.1

SDK
- macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
- macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the

specific

version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

Thanks to everyone testing this! Trashing the prefs didn’t help, trashing all 
files in the ”Application support”-folder didn’t help! But, I tried to unplug 
my second monitor… Started LC and then, everything worked! Plugged the monitor 
back again, end now, it works! Now I can even click the buttons in the ”Save 
before closing”-dialog that is tucked to the menu bar. I have not been able to 
do that before!

The only hiccup now is that the revMenubar starts right aligned on my second 
monitor, but I always move it to my second (bigger) screen anyway so that is a 
minor bump in the road.

:-Håkan
On 16 Mar 2021, 04:23 +0100, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> I just downloaded and tested on my MBP16(2019), single screen, MacOS
> 11.2.2, and also in parallels Win10(v1909) and had no issues.
>
> BTW, visual effects work a dream and even macOS CoreImage effects work
> great. Super. Hope to see more (HTML5, hint, hint) soon.
>
> Sean
>
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 18:28, Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and
> > fired it up
> > without any problems at all:
> >
> > macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.
> >
> > I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at
> > startup) that is
> > clogging up the works.
> >
> > Best, Richmond.
> >
> > On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:
> > > After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts
> > but is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t
> > click anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select
> > ”Quit” from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do
> > is to ”Force Quit” the application.
> > >
> > > Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual
> > monitor setup.
> > >
> > > Any one else having this???
> > >
> > > :-Håkan
> > > On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > > > Dear list members,
> > > >
> > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Getting the Release
> > > > ===
> > > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> > via
> > > > the automatic updater.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Release Contents
> > > > 
> > > > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
> > > >
> > > > - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
> > > > - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
> > > > - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
> > > > - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
> > > >
> > > > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> > > > release notes:
> > > >
> > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Known issues
> > > > 
> > > > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> > with
> > > > Cinnamon window manager.
> > > > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
> > LTS
> > > > yet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Required Software
> > > > =
> > > > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions
> > of
> > > > Xcode as follows:
> > > >
> > > > - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 12.1
> > > > SDK
> > > > - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > > > 13.2 SDK
> > > > - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > > > 14.1 SDK
> > > >
> > > > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> > > > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> > > >
> > > > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> > > > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> > > > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the
> > specific
> > > > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> > > > installing it separately.
> > > >
> > > > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> > > > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> > > > AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> > > > able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Feedback
> > > > 
> > > > Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> > > > http://quality.livecode.com/
> > > >
> > > > We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> > > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have fun!
> > > > The LiveCode Team
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

I just downloaded and tested on my MBP16(2019), single screen, MacOS
11.2.2, and also in parallels Win10(v1909) and had no issues.

BTW, visual effects work a dream and even macOS CoreImage effects work
great. Super. Hope to see more (HTML5, hint, hint) soon.

Sean

On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 18:28, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and
> fired it up
> without any problems at all:
>
> macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.
>
> I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at
> startup) that is
> clogging up the works.
>
> Best, Richmond.
>
> On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:
> > After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts
> but is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t
> click anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select
> ”Quit” from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do
> is to ”Force Quit” the application.
> >
> > Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual
> monitor setup.
> >
> > Any one else having this???
> >
> > :-Håkan
> > On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
> >>
> >>
> >> Getting the Release
> >> ===
> >> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via
> >> the automatic updater.
> >>
> >>
> >> Release Contents
> >> 
> >> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
> >>
> >> - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
> >> - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
> >> - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
> >> - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
> >>
> >> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> >> release notes:
> >>
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> Known issues
> >> 
> >> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> with
> >> Cinnamon window manager.
> >> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
> LTS
> >> yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> Required Software
> >> =
> >> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions
> of
> >> Xcode as follows:
> >>
> >> - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 12.1
> >> SDK
> >> - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> >> 13.2 SDK
> >> - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> >> 14.1 SDK
> >>
> >> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> >> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> >>
> >> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> >> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> >> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the
> specific
> >> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> >> installing it separately.
> >>
> >> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> >> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> >> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> >> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> >>
> >>
> >> Feedback
> >> 
> >> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> >> http://quality.livecode.com/
> >>
> >> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> >> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
> >>
> >>
> >> Have fun!
> >> The LiveCode Team
> >>
> >>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

I knew I was being stupid relying on the alphabet. Thanks Panos.

Graham

> On 15 Mar 2021, at 09:01, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham,
> 
> * and this particular LC version number isn’t in the list on the
> offline activation file tool. *
> 
> Are you sure? If I remember correctly, you have to scroll further down for
> the RC and DP versions
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> 
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 10:48, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Boring I know, but after a long download I can’t activate this
>> automatically, and this particular LC version number isn’t in the list on
>> the offline activation file tool.
>> 
>> Someone please tell me what I did wrong.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 12 Mar 2021, at 11:55, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear list members,
>>> 
>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Getting the Release
>>> ===
>>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
>> via
>>> the automatic updater.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Release Contents
>>> 
>>> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
>>> 
>>> - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
>>> - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
>>> - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
>>> - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
>>> 
>>> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
>>> release notes:
>>> 
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Known issues
>>> 
>>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
>> with
>>> Cinnamon window manager.
>>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
>> LTS
>>> yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Required Software
>>> =
>>> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
>>> Xcode as follows:
>>> 
>>> - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 12.1
>>> SDK
>>> - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>>> 13.2 SDK
>>> - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>>> 14.1 SDK
>>> 
>>> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
>>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>>> 
>>> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
>>> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
>>> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
>>> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
>>> installing it separately.
>>> 
>>> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
>>> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
>>> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
>>> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Feedback
>>> 
>>> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>>> 
>>> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have fun!
>>> The LiveCode Team
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

Thanks for that!

I haven’t had time to trash all settings and restart, but it is good to see 
that it is probably something on my part. Will do further testing tomorrow.

:-Håkan
On 15 Mar 2021, 19:30 +0100, Richmond via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and
> fired it up
> without any problems at all:
>
> macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.
>
> I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at
> startup) that is
> clogging up the works.
>
> Best, Richmond.
>
> On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:
> > After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts but 
> > is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t 
> > click anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select 
> > ”Quit” from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do 
> > is to ”Force Quit” the application.
> >
> > Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual monitor 
> > setup.
> >
> > Any one else having this???
> >
> > :-Håkan
> > On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> > , wrote:
> > > Dear list members,
> > >
> > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
> > >
> > >
> > > Getting the Release
> > > ===
> > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> > > the automatic updater.
> > >
> > >
> > > Release Contents
> > > 
> > > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
> > >
> > > - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
> > > - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
> > > - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
> > > - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
> > >
> > > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> > > release notes:
> > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > Known issues
> > > 
> > > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros 
> > > with
> > > Cinnamon window manager.
> > > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit 
> > > LTS
> > > yet.
> > >
> > >
> > > Required Software
> > > =
> > > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> > > Xcode as follows:
> > >
> > > - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
> > > SDK
> > > - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > > 13.2 SDK
> > > - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > > 14.1 SDK
> > >
> > > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> > > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> > >
> > > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> > > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> > > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> > > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> > > installing it separately.
> > >
> > > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> > > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> > > AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> > > able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> > >
> > >
> > > Feedback
> > > 
> > > Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> > > http://quality.livecode.com/
> > >
> > > We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
> > >
> > >
> > > Have fun!
> > > The LiveCode Team
> > >
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I have just downloaded Indy 9.6.2 RC-3, done the licensing "dance" and 
fired it up

without any problems at all:

macOS 11.3 Beta 3, 2018 Mac Mini, 3 monitors.

I suspect you have some background process (i.e. something set to run at 
startup) that is

clogging up the works.

Best, Richmond.

On 15.03.21 18:40, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode wrote:

After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts but is 
totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t click 
anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select ”Quit” from 
the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do is to ”Force 
Quit” the application.

Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual monitor setup.

Any one else having this???

:-Håkan
On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
, wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:

- Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
- Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
- mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
- PDF Widget broken on iOS device

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

- macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
- macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
- macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

I have not experienced this (Windows 10), but in the ast, similar new 
version startup issues have been resolved by deleting the livecode 
preferences file and then starting the new version to reset the prefs to 
defaults (and then set them back to whatever you want.


On 3/15/2021 2:04 PM, Dev via use-livecode wrote:

I am also seeing that with a Mac Pro laptop, Big Sur and two monitors. 
Sometimes it will be responsive on a second try restart, but then it won’t let 
me open the script of an object. Impossible to work with so I went back to RC-2.

Kelly Janz


On 15 Mar, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
 wrote:

After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts but is 
totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t click 
anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select ”Quit” from 
the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do is to ”Force 
Quit” the application.

Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual monitor setup.

Any one else having this???

:-Håkan
On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
, wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:

- Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
- Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
- mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
- PDF Widget broken on iOS device

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

- macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
- macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
- macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Dev via use-livecode]

I am also seeing that with a Mac Pro laptop, Big Sur and two monitors. 
Sometimes it will be responsive on a second try restart, but then it won’t let 
me open the script of an object. Impossible to work with so I went back to RC-2.

Kelly Janz

> On 15 Mar, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts but 
> is totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t click 
> anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select ”Quit” 
> from the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do is to 
> ”Force Quit” the application.
> 
> Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual monitor 
> setup.
> 
> Any one else having this???
> 
> :-Håkan
> On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
>> 
>> 
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
>> the automatic updater.
>> 
>> 
>> Release Contents
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
>> 
>> - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
>> - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
>> - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
>> - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
>> 
>> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
>> release notes:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> Known issues
>> 
>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
>> Cinnamon window manager.
>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Required Software
>> =
>> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
>> Xcode as follows:
>> 
>> - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
>> SDK
>> - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 13.2 SDK
>> - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 14.1 SDK
>> 
>> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>> 
>> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
>> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
>> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
>> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
>> installing it separately.
>> 
>> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
>> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
>> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
>> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>> 
>> 
>> Feedback
>> 
>> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>> 
>> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>> 
>> 
>> Have fun!
>> The LiveCode Team
>> 
>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

After downloading and activating with my indie license, LiveCode starts but is 
totally unresponsive! I can move the windows, but that’s it! I can’t click 
anything not even in the menu. No shortcuts works, and, If I select ”Quit” from 
the icon in the dock LiveCode doesn’t quit. Only thing I can do is to ”Force 
Quit” the application.

Running macOS 11.2.2 on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with a dual monitor setup.

Any one else having this???

:-Håkan
On 12 Mar 2021, 12:57 +0100, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
>
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
>
> - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
> - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
> - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
> - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
>
> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> release notes:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
>
>
> Known issues
> 
> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
> Cinnamon window manager.
> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
> yet.
>
>
> Required Software
> =
> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> Xcode as follows:
>
> - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
> SDK
> - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 13.2 SDK
> - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 14.1 SDK
>
> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>
> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> installing it separately.
>
> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>
>
> Feedback
> 
> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>
>
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello Graham,

* and this particular LC version number isn’t in the list on the
offline activation file tool. *

Are you sure? If I remember correctly, you have to scroll further down for
the RC and DP versions

Kind regards,
Panos
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 10:48, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Boring I know, but after a long download I can’t activate this
> automatically, and this particular LC version number isn’t in the list on
> the offline activation file tool.
>
> Someone please tell me what I did wrong.
>
> Graham
>
> > On 12 Mar 2021, at 11:55, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
> >
> >
> > Getting the Release
> > ===
> > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via
> > the automatic updater.
> >
> >
> > Release Contents
> > 
> > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
> >
> > - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
> > - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
> > - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
> > - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
> >
> > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> > release notes:
> >
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
> >
> >
> > Known issues
> > 
> > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> with
> > Cinnamon window manager.
> > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
> LTS
> > yet.
> >
> >
> > Required Software
> > =
> > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> > Xcode as follows:
> >
> >  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 12.1
> > SDK
> >  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 13.2 SDK
> >  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 14.1 SDK
> >
> > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> >
> > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> > installing it separately.
> >
> > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> > AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> > able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> >
> >
> > Feedback
> > 
> > Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> > http://quality.livecode.com/
> >
> > We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
> >
> >
> > Have fun!
> > The LiveCode Team
> >
> >
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

Boring I know, but after a long download I can’t activate this automatically, 
and this particular LC version number isn’t in the list on the offline 
activation file tool. 

Someone please tell me what I did wrong.

Graham

> On 12 Mar 2021, at 11:55, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.
> 
> 
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
> 
> 
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:
> 
> - Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
> - Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
> - mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
> - PDF Widget broken on iOS device
> 
> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> release notes:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf
> 
> 
> Known issues
> 
> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
> Cinnamon window manager.
> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
> yet.
> 
> 
> Required Software
> =
> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> Xcode as follows:
> 
>  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
> SDK
>  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 13.2 SDK
>  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 14.1 SDK
> 
> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> 
> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> installing it separately.
> 
> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> 
> 
> Feedback
> 
> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
> 
> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
> 
> 
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team
> 
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[ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-3

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-3 comes with 6 regression fixes, including:

- Visual effects doesn't work on macOS Big Sur
- Cannot close "Ask Password" dialog as Sheet in modal stack
- mergLA not included in 9.6.2 RC 2
- PDF Widget broken on iOS device

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_3.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

michael mentioned,

> Yesterday I downloaded SuperCard 4.8.1 Trail wich still is maintained.

I still have my SuperCard 1.5 install disks . . . 

I bought it because it could have two windows open at once.

When HyperCard 2.0 came out, it did everything I needed from supercard, but 
there was no back-export available

So some new things got converted to hypercard, using the basic engine I’d 
written, but I didn’t feel like writing the script to turn every object in the 
stack into a text list of its properties and another to create the new 
hypercard stack.

When I started on this project, yikes, a decade ago now, I did manage to 
partway navigate the chain to loading the old stacks, but it was an odd dance 
involving an old MacClassic and reading Mac disks on a freebsd floppy . . . if 
the scsi Zip drive hadn’t failed, it would;d have been a lot easier to transfer 
. . .


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Michael Kristensen wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> We've been here before...
>>
>> 68k -> PPC
>> Classic -> OS X
>> PPC -> Intel
>> 32-bit -> 64-bit
>
>
> More form memory-land:
>
> Yesterday I downloaded SuperCard 4.8.1 Trail wich still is maintained.
>
> I was able to convert some 30 years old SC stacks so they could run
> again (at least for 30 days).
>
> It look exactly like when I left it for Revolution and Livecode.
>
> Richard, you might be the first person I ever emailed to, back then
> when we had telephone modems (ky)


Thank you for reminding me.  I still have a few emails from the old SC 
list. I just did a dive into that archive and found fragments of a 
thread between you and me and Grant Schampel (I sure do miss that man).


Kinda cool how paths cross and cross again, bound together over decades 
through the bond of sharing scripting.



And FWIW "ky" might just be the best spelled-out form of 
the modem connect sound I've seen. :)


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Supercard is no longer very super (remember playing around with it in 1994)
as it is 32-bit MacOS only.

Richmond.

On 14.01.21 12:53, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

I paid for the Windows version of SuperCard that was advertised in MacUser for 
some considerable time in the ?mid 90s.  I waited, and waited, and waited….


On 13 Jan 2021, at 8:00 pm, Michael Kristensen via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Richard Gaskin wrote:


We've been here before...

68k -> PPC
Classic -> OS X
PPC -> Intel
32-bit -> 64-bit


More form memory-land:

Yesterday I downloaded SuperCard 4.8.1 Trail wich still is maintained.

I was able to convert some 30 years old SC stacks so they could run again (at 
least for 30 days).

It look exactly like when I left it for Revolution and Livecode.

Richard, you might be the first person I ever emailed to, back then when we had 
telephone modems (ky)

Michael
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Gawd… now that you mention it, I did too!

Bob S


On Jan 14, 2021, at 2:53 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I paid for the Windows version of SuperCard that was advertised in MacUser for 
some considerable time in the ?mid 90s.  I waited, and waited, and waited….

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

On 1/14/2021 5:53 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

I paid for the Windows version of SuperCard that was advertised in MacUser for 
some considerable time in the ?mid 90s.  I waited, and waited, and waited….


Me too!



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

I paid for the Windows version of SuperCard that was advertised in MacUser for 
some considerable time in the ?mid 90s.  I waited, and waited, and waited….

> On 13 Jan 2021, at 8:00 pm, Michael Kristensen via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> We've been here before...
>> 
>> 68k -> PPC
>> Classic -> OS X
>> PPC -> Intel
>> 32-bit -> 64-bit
> 
> 
> More form memory-land:
> 
> Yesterday I downloaded SuperCard 4.8.1 Trail wich still is maintained.
> 
> I was able to convert some 30 years old SC stacks so they could run again (at 
> least for 30 days).
> 
> It look exactly like when I left it for Revolution and Livecode.
> 
> Richard, you might be the first person I ever emailed to, back then when we 
> had telephone modems (ky)
> 
> Michael
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Michael Kristensen via use-livecode]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> We've been here before...
> 
> 68k -> PPC
> Classic -> OS X
> PPC -> Intel
> 32-bit -> 64-bit


More form memory-land:

Yesterday I downloaded SuperCard 4.8.1 Trail wich still is maintained.

I was able to convert some 30 years old SC stacks so they could run again (at 
least for 30 days).

It look exactly like when I left it for Revolution and Livecode.

Richard, you might be the first person I ever emailed to, back then when we had 
telephone modems (ky)

Michael
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

The transition to AS Mac OS will be pretty seamless. XCode flags up most of
the code base that needs modding.

Where it might fall over for us is if we use old widgets that won't get
updated for any potential MacOS code deprecations.

But LC, I'm sure, will keep up-to-date (ish) as we see already. LC probably
performs better than the previous Intel Mac equivalent on the newer
machines.

Sean Cole
*Pi *

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 22:47, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am afraid i am at a crossroads now.
> Unfortunately prices for Mac hardware increased over the years. I will
> definitely not buy a M1 Mac.
> I will use my iMac as long as i get updates for macOS and will then switch
> back completely to Windows.
> Most of the software  i am using is available for macOS and Windows. Okay
> Ulysses is one of the programs i will be definitely missing when going back
> to Windows.
> But i am sure i will find an alternative. Maybe Obsidian, currently not as
> good as Ulysses, but i'll see.
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
>
> > Am 12.01.2021 um 23:29 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > I’ve no worries with LC. My concern is all the other apps I bought which
> the devs don’t port. 
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:32 AM, chaplais via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have gone through this too . The most difficult was the change of OS.
> Also, Apple had not ported MPW to the PPC, which led to the success of
> Metrowerks  CodeWarrior.
> >> I stil have a compiler by them for BeOs on PPC.
> >> This does not really make me feel younger.
> >> Le 12 janv. 2021 à 19:13 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, a écrit :
> >>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> >>>
>  Up until the time Apple decides everything has to be M1, at which
>  support for Rosetta is withdrawn. The question is, how long do Intel
>  apps have to live? Deja Vu all over again. (see what I did there?)
> >>>
> >>> We've been here before...
> >>>
> >>> 68k -> PPC
> >>> Classic -> OS X
> >>> PPC -> Intel
> >>> 32-bit -> 64-bit
> >>>
> >>> Adding:
> >>> Intel -> M1
> >>> ...is just another day in Appleland.
> >>>
> >>> The engine has been carried forward well through all those changes, I'm
> >>> not worried about this latest one.
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>> Fourth World Systems
> >>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> >>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[kee nethery via use-livecode]

I look forward to the day I can transition to an ARM based Mac. Those puppies 
are amazingly fast and it’s unlikely Windows machines will be competitive at 
the same price point. But … I’ll be using my Mac Book Air for years to come, 
it’s only 6 years old.

Kee

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:47 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am afraid i am at a crossroads now.
> Unfortunately prices for Mac hardware increased over the years. I will 
> definitely not buy a M1 Mac.
> I will use my iMac as long as i get updates for macOS and will then switch 
> back completely to Windows.
> Most of the software  i am using is available for macOS and Windows. Okay 
> Ulysses is one of the programs i will be definitely missing when going back 
> to Windows.
> But i am sure i will find an alternative. Maybe Obsidian, currently not as 
> good as Ulysses, but i'll see.
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> 
>> Am 12.01.2021 um 23:29 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> I’ve no worries with LC. My concern is all the other apps I bought which the 
>> devs don’t port. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:32 AM, chaplais via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have gone through this too . The most difficult was the change of OS. 
>>> Also, Apple had not ported MPW to the PPC, which led to the success of 
>>> Metrowerks  CodeWarrior.
>>> I stil have a compiler by them for BeOs on PPC.
>>> This does not really make me feel younger.
>>> Le 12 janv. 2021 à 19:13 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>> , a écrit :
 Bob Sneidar wrote:
 
> Up until the time Apple decides everything has to be M1, at which
> support for Rosetta is withdrawn. The question is, how long do Intel
> apps have to live? Deja Vu all over again. (see what I did there?)
 
 We've been here before...
 
 68k -> PPC
 Classic -> OS X
 PPC -> Intel
 32-bit -> 64-bit
 
 Adding:
 Intel -> M1
 ...is just another day in Appleland.
 
 The engine has been carried forward well through all those changes, I'm
 not worried about this latest one.
 
 --
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

I am afraid i am at a crossroads now.
Unfortunately prices for Mac hardware increased over the years. I will 
definitely not buy a M1 Mac.
I will use my iMac as long as i get updates for macOS and will then switch back 
completely to Windows.
Most of the software  i am using is available for macOS and Windows. Okay 
Ulysses is one of the programs i will be definitely missing when going back to 
Windows.
But i am sure i will find an alternative. Maybe Obsidian, currently not as good 
as Ulysses, but i'll see.

-
Matthias Rebbe

> Am 12.01.2021 um 23:29 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I’ve no worries with LC. My concern is all the other apps I bought which the 
> devs don’t port. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:32 AM, chaplais via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have gone through this too . The most difficult was the change of OS. 
>> Also, Apple had not ported MPW to the PPC, which led to the success of 
>> Metrowerks  CodeWarrior.
>> I stil have a compiler by them for BeOs on PPC.
>> This does not really make me feel younger.
>> Le 12 janv. 2021 à 19:13 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>> , a écrit :
>>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> 
 Up until the time Apple decides everything has to be M1, at which
 support for Rosetta is withdrawn. The question is, how long do Intel
 apps have to live? Deja Vu all over again. (see what I did there?)
>>> 
>>> We've been here before...
>>> 
>>> 68k -> PPC
>>> Classic -> OS X
>>> PPC -> Intel
>>> 32-bit -> 64-bit
>>> 
>>> Adding:
>>> Intel -> M1
>>> ...is just another day in Appleland.
>>> 
>>> The engine has been carried forward well through all those changes, I'm
>>> not worried about this latest one.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>> 
>>> ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I’ve no worries with LC. My concern is all the other apps I bought which the 
devs don’t port. 

Bob S


> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:32 AM, chaplais via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have gone through this too . The most difficult was the change of OS. Also, 
> Apple had not ported MPW to the PPC, which led to the success of Metrowerks  
> CodeWarrior.
> I stil have a compiler by them for BeOs on PPC.
> This does not really make me feel younger.
> Le 12 janv. 2021 à 19:13 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> , a écrit :
>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> Up until the time Apple decides everything has to be M1, at which
>>> support for Rosetta is withdrawn. The question is, how long do Intel
>>> apps have to live? Deja Vu all over again. (see what I did there?)
>> 
>> We've been here before...
>> 
>> 68k -> PPC
>> Classic -> OS X
>> PPC -> Intel
>> 32-bit -> 64-bit
>> 
>> Adding:
>> Intel -> M1
>> ...is just another day in Appleland.
>> 
>> The engine has been carried forward well through all those changes, I'm
>> not worried about this latest one.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
>> ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Talking about how old we feel, when I first began with computers, we were using 
CP/M.

Bob S


On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:32 AM, chaplais via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I have gone through this too . The most difficult was the change of OS. Also, 
Apple had not ported MPW to the PPC, which led to the success of Metrowerks  
CodeWarrior.
I stil have a compiler by them for BeOs on PPC.
This does not really make me feel younger.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[chaplais via use-livecode]

I have gone through this too . The most difficult was the change of OS. Also, 
Apple had not ported MPW to the PPC, which led to the success of Metrowerks  
CodeWarrior.
I stil have a compiler by them for BeOs on PPC.
This does not really make me feel younger.
Le 12 janv. 2021 à 19:13 +0100, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, a écrit :
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
> > Up until the time Apple decides everything has to be M1, at which
> > support for Rosetta is withdrawn. The question is, how long do Intel
> > apps have to live? Deja Vu all over again. (see what I did there?)
>
> We've been here before...
>
> 68k -> PPC
> Classic -> OS X
> PPC -> Intel
> 32-bit -> 64-bit
>
> Adding:
> Intel -> M1
> ...is just another day in Appleland.
>
> The engine has been carried forward well through all those changes, I'm
> not worried about this latest one.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Up until the time Apple decides everything has to be M1, at which
> support for Rosetta is withdrawn. The question is, how long do Intel
> apps have to live? Deja Vu all over again. (see what I did there?)

We've been here before...

68k -> PPC
Classic -> OS X
PPC -> Intel
32-bit -> 64-bit

Adding:
Intel -> M1
...is just another day in Appleland.

The engine has been carried forward well through all those changes, I'm 
not worried about this latest one.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Up until the time Apple decides everything has to be M1, at which support for 
Rosetta is withdrawn. The question is, how long do Intel apps have to live? 
Deja Vu all over again. (see what I did there?) 

Bob S


> On Jan 12, 2021, at 6:11 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Panos,
> 
> Is there a potential ETA for M1 support?
> 
> Best
> Andre
> 
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 09:13, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2.
>> 
>> 
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
>> the automatic updater.
>> 
>> 
>> Release Contents
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2 comes with 5 regression fixes, including:
>> 
>> - Opening Color Picker from modal window no longer causes LC to freeze
>> - MacOS Big Sur: fixed display error when switching between card or showing
>> a group
>> - Fix long pause after closing modal dialog on macOS
>> 
>> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
>> release notes:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_2.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> Known issues
>> 
>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
>> Cinnamon window manager.
>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Required Software
>> =
>> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
>> Xcode as follows:
>> 
>>  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
>> SDK
>>  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 13.2 SDK
>>  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 14.1 SDK
>> 
>> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>> 
>> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
>> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
>> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
>> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
>> installing it separately.
>> 
>> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
>> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
>> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
>> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello Andre,

The current x86_64 (i.e. Intel-based) build of LiveCode, as well as any
x86_64 standalones created by it, are expected to run seamlessly on M1
Macs, via "Rosetta" (i.e. the translation/compatibility layer that enables
a M1 Mac to run apps built for an Intel-based Mac). The M1 Mac will ask you
if you want to install Rosetta the first time you try to launch an app made
for Intel.

What is not supported though, yet, are native ARM LiveCode builds, that
will be able to create ARM standalones for M1 Macs. This is in our TODO
list, but I cannot provide an ETA for this.

Hope this helps :)

Cheers,
Panos
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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Panos,
>
> Is there a potential ETA for M1 support?
>
> Best
> Andre
>
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 09:13, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2.
> >
> >
> > Getting the Release
> > ===
> > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via
> > the automatic updater.
> >
> >
> > Release Contents
> > 
> > LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2 comes with 5 regression fixes, including:
> >
> > - Opening Color Picker from modal window no longer causes LC to freeze
> > - MacOS Big Sur: fixed display error when switching between card or
> showing
> > a group
> > - Fix long pause after closing modal dialog on macOS
> >
> > For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> > release notes:
> >
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_2.pdf
> >
> >
> > Known issues
> > 
> > - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> with
> > Cinnamon window manager.
> > - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit
> LTS
> > yet.
> >
> >
> > Required Software
> > =
> > To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> > Xcode as follows:
> >
> >   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 12.1
> > SDK
> >   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 13.2 SDK
> >   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> > 14.1 SDK
> >
> > There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
> >
> > Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> > supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> > recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> > version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> > installing it separately.
> >
> > Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> > using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> > AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> > able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
> >
> >
> > Feedback
> > 
> > Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> > http://quality.livecode.com/
> >
> > We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Hi Panos,

Is there a potential ETA for M1 support?

Best
Andre

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 09:13, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2.
>
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2 comes with 5 regression fixes, including:
>
> - Opening Color Picker from modal window no longer causes LC to freeze
> - MacOS Big Sur: fixed display error when switching between card or showing
> a group
> - Fix long pause after closing modal dialog on macOS
>
> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> release notes:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_2.pdf
>
>
> Known issues
> 
> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
> Cinnamon window manager.
> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
> yet.
>
>
> Required Software
> =
> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> Xcode as follows:
>
>   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
> SDK
>   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 13.2 SDK
>   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 14.1 SDK
>
> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>
> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> installing it separately.
>
> Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
> using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
> AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
> able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>
>
> Feedback
> 
> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
> http://quality.livecode.com/
>
> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>
>
> Have fun!
> The LiveCode Team
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[ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-2

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-2 comes with 5 regression fixes, including:

- Opening Color Picker from modal window no longer causes LC to freeze
- MacOS Big Sur: fixed display error when switching between card or showing
a group
- Fix long pause after closing modal dialog on macOS

For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_2.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
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[ANN] Release 9.6.2 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-1.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.2 RC-1 comes with more than 35 changes, including:

New Features
  - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
  - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
  - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK

Bug Fixes:
  - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
  - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
  - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
  - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
  - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements


For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
release notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_1.pdf


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.


Required Software
=
To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
Xcode as follows:

  - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
SDK
  - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
13.2 SDK
  - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
14.1 SDK

There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
installing it separately.

Important: From the end of June 2020, Apple is only accepting apps built
using iOS13 SDKs. This means that, if you wish to submit apps to the
AppStore you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in order to be
able to install the necessary version of Xcode.


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
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