Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Frankly, as long as your backups are not degraded the odd spot of 
degradation in your English

is probably less worrying.

I am planning . . . to remove the hard drives from my Linux box and 
stick them in external boxes
and have Disk Drill look at thenm from my Mac OS 10.7.5 machine: I would 
be grateful if anyone has any experience with this if they could give me 
some feedback.


I intend to examine the disks with the Free version, and if it finds 
something pay for the forensic version.


http://www.cleverfiles.com/

Richmond.

On 11/29/16 1:01 am, Mike Bonner wrote:

My english skills are degrading at a high rate of speed apparently.  Fixes:
  "set it up clean and up to date"  and "at the end of each day, multicast
the clean image to all computers to prep for the next day"

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:





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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Mike Bonner
My english skills are degrading at a high rate of speed apparently.  Fixes:
 "set it up clean and up to date"  and "at the end of each day, multicast
the clean image to all computers to prep for the next day"

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> If you have a spare machine and a large drive to store images, you might
> look at FOG.  When I was working at the local computer lab it was very
> helpful since people can be..shall we say, destructive.  We had a couple
> groups of machines, and would use one as master.  Set it up clean and up to
> day, use fog to do an image backup, then multi cast (pxe boot) to all the
> matching machines.  At the end of each day, do a multicast to imaging to
> each machine to prep for the next day.  On maintenance day, load the master
> machine, do its updates, refresh the image to the fog server and then push
> the new image out to the rest of the machines.
>
> Even if you just use it to cache image backups for multiple individual
> machines, it works very well. And I think it has greatly improved since I
> last used it.  Its a great way to manage things. In fact, if you are about
> to do a version upgrade to a machine, its pretty easy to back up the
> current, do the update and if things don't go as expected, roll back to a
> previous version.  (in case you haven't noticed, I really like the way fog
> works)
> Too late to help now, but for future safety you can read up on it here:
> https://fogproject.org/
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Richard Gaskin <
> ambassa...@fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>> > I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(
>>
>> Everything is hackable.
>>
>>
>> > I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,
>> >
>> > so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that
>> > not only had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2
>> > hard drives had vanished
>> >
>> > and were not recoverable by GParted.
>> >
>> > I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.
>>
>> This may or may not be malware.
>>
>> A more common attack would encrypt your files and demand bitcoin ransom.
>> Merely deleting the files means an attacker would be working with no
>> benefit to themselves; not impossible, but with so many more lucrative
>> opportunities it seems unlikely.
>>
>> It may just be some sort of glitch (though it does seem an odd one).
>>
>> To get some help diagnosing and possibly repairing the situation, I would
>> recommend taking advantage of the Ubuntu forums, where they have a section
>> for general help with derivative flavors like Xubuntu here:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> > I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard
>> > drives within the same computer was safe.
>>
>> Better than no backup at all, but not without risks.
>>
>> With HDDs currently available for about US$50/TB I've become a big fan of
>> removable portable drives.
>>
>> I've collected quite a few, used in rotation with each containing the
>> last set of files from the day before.
>>
>> I use my secondary internal drive for incremental backups made with the
>> backup utility included with Ubuntu, so I can restore any given file to any
>> version over the last several months.
>>
>> And then I further hedge my bets with both a NextCloud setup which backs
>> up and versions my work files to my office server, and a second mirror
>> repository on my Mac which is also backed up to an attached drive via Time
>> Machine.
>>
>> Given that all software has bugs, and some will eventually make mash of a
>> backup, and that all hard drives will eventually fail, this
>> multiply-redundant setup helps mitigate those risks, using HDDs I'd
>> acquired over the years for various purposes so the redundancy has grown
>> over time.
>>
>> Of course manually managing these would be quite a time waster, so I
>> wrote a pair of bash scripts, one for my Linux box and one for my Mac,
>> which use rsync to automate the copying.  So now at the end of the day I
>> just run one script on my Linux box, then a second on my Mac, and when
>> they're done I have four local copies of everything (five for work files
>> thanks to the always-updating NextCloud) and one removable drive updated to
>> take home with the others for offsite protection.
>>
>> Back in the '90s I lost a big chunk of critical data in a hard drive
>> failure.  For me, taking a few minutes at the end of the day to run an
>> automated redundant backup helps me sleep better.
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Systems
>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  
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>>
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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Mike Bonner
If you have a spare machine and a large drive to store images, you might
look at FOG.  When I was working at the local computer lab it was very
helpful since people can be..shall we say, destructive.  We had a couple
groups of machines, and would use one as master.  Set it up clean and up to
day, use fog to do an image backup, then multi cast (pxe boot) to all the
matching machines.  At the end of each day, do a multicast to imaging to
each machine to prep for the next day.  On maintenance day, load the master
machine, do its updates, refresh the image to the fog server and then push
the new image out to the rest of the machines.

Even if you just use it to cache image backups for multiple individual
machines, it works very well. And I think it has greatly improved since I
last used it.  Its a great way to manage things. In fact, if you are about
to do a version upgrade to a machine, its pretty easy to back up the
current, do the update and if things don't go as expected, roll back to a
previous version.  (in case you haven't noticed, I really like the way fog
works)
Too late to help now, but for future safety you can read up on it here:
https://fogproject.org/

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
> > I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(
>
> Everything is hackable.
>
>
> > I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,
> >
> > so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that
> > not only had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2
> > hard drives had vanished
> >
> > and were not recoverable by GParted.
> >
> > I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.
>
> This may or may not be malware.
>
> A more common attack would encrypt your files and demand bitcoin ransom.
> Merely deleting the files means an attacker would be working with no
> benefit to themselves; not impossible, but with so many more lucrative
> opportunities it seems unlikely.
>
> It may just be some sort of glitch (though it does seem an odd one).
>
> To get some help diagnosing and possibly repairing the situation, I would
> recommend taking advantage of the Ubuntu forums, where they have a section
> for general help with derivative flavors like Xubuntu here:
>
> 
>
>
> > I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard
> > drives within the same computer was safe.
>
> Better than no backup at all, but not without risks.
>
> With HDDs currently available for about US$50/TB I've become a big fan of
> removable portable drives.
>
> I've collected quite a few, used in rotation with each containing the last
> set of files from the day before.
>
> I use my secondary internal drive for incremental backups made with the
> backup utility included with Ubuntu, so I can restore any given file to any
> version over the last several months.
>
> And then I further hedge my bets with both a NextCloud setup which backs
> up and versions my work files to my office server, and a second mirror
> repository on my Mac which is also backed up to an attached drive via Time
> Machine.
>
> Given that all software has bugs, and some will eventually make mash of a
> backup, and that all hard drives will eventually fail, this
> multiply-redundant setup helps mitigate those risks, using HDDs I'd
> acquired over the years for various purposes so the redundancy has grown
> over time.
>
> Of course manually managing these would be quite a time waster, so I wrote
> a pair of bash scripts, one for my Linux box and one for my Mac, which use
> rsync to automate the copying.  So now at the end of the day I just run one
> script on my Linux box, then a second on my Mac, and when they're done I
> have four local copies of everything (five for work files thanks to the
> always-updating NextCloud) and one removable drive updated to take home
> with the others for offsite protection.
>
> Back in the '90s I lost a big chunk of critical data in a hard drive
> failure.  For me, taking a few minutes at the end of the day to run an
> automated redundant backup helps me sleep better.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Unfortunately it is not a matter of permissions: I have been reliably 
informed that my boot partition
has been set to "unallocated space" and that my 'home' partition, while 
retaining the file structure

(directories and so forth) conatins no actula files beyond a few GIF files.

Richmond.

On 11/28/16 9:45 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 11/28/16 9:25 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Anything noteworthy in ~/.bash_history, /var/log/auth.log, or
>> /var/log/syslog?
>>
>> Are those files even remaining?
>>
> There seems to be no way to get at those files if they still remain
> on the partition.

If it's a matter of permissions you can use:

   sudo su

...to become root (be careful while you're root, of course).




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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richard Gaskin

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 11/28/16 9:25 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Anything noteworthy in ~/.bash_history, /var/log/auth.log, or
>> /var/log/syslog?
>>
>> Are those files even remaining?
>>
> There seems to be no way to get at those files if they still remain
> on the partition.

If it's a matter of permissions you can use:

   sudo su

...to become root (be careful while you're root, of course).

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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
No: the root account was not enabled, and as the thing won't boot there 
is no way one can tell

if a password has been changed.

Running *extundelete* from a live disk keeps giving this sort of
message on all the partitions of all the disks inside the machine:

Failed to restore inode 11796494 to file 
RECOVERED_FILES/file.11796494:Unable to set proper file size (enormous 
numner in brackets)


Prior to that extundelete shows that it *can* see files on the disk 
partitions.


Richmond.

On 11/28/16 9:29 pm, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Can anything not running as root even do this?? And if not, is root account 
enabled? and if so, has the password been changed?

Bob S


On Nov 28, 2016, at 11:25 , Richard Gaskin 
mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com>> wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Once *extundelete* told me "space has been reallocated" I knew
everything was cooked.

It may not be recoverable, but I'm curious as to how it happened in the first 
place.

Anything noteworthy in ~/.bash_history, /var/log/auth.log, or /var/log/syslog?

Are those files even remaining?

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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
There seems to be no way to get at those files if they still remain on 
the partition.


Richmond.

On 11/28/16 9:25 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Once *extundelete* told me "space has been reallocated" I knew
> everything was cooked.

It may not be recoverable, but I'm curious as to how it happened in 
the first place.


Anything noteworthy in ~/.bash_history, /var/log/auth.log, or 
/var/log/syslog?


Are those files even remaining?




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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Bob Sneidar
Can anything not running as root even do this?? And if not, is root account 
enabled? and if so, has the password been changed?

Bob S


On Nov 28, 2016, at 11:25 , Richard Gaskin 
mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com>> wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Once *extundelete* told me "space has been reallocated" I knew
> everything was cooked.

It may not be recoverable, but I'm curious as to how it happened in the first 
place.

Anything noteworthy in ~/.bash_history, /var/log/auth.log, or /var/log/syslog?

Are those files even remaining?

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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richard Gaskin

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Once *extundelete* told me "space has been reallocated" I knew
> everything was cooked.

It may not be recoverable, but I'm curious as to how it happened in the 
first place.


Anything noteworthy in ~/.bash_history, /var/log/auth.log, or 
/var/log/syslog?


Are those files even remaining?

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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Once *extundelete* told me "space has been reallocated" I knew 
everything was cooked.


Richmond.

On 11/28/16 5:30 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(

Everything is hackable.


> I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,
>
> so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that
> not only had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2
> hard drives had vanished
>
> and were not recoverable by GParted.
>
> I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.

This may or may not be malware.

A more common attack would encrypt your files and demand bitcoin 
ransom.  Merely deleting the files means an attacker would be working 
with no benefit to themselves; not impossible, but with so many more 
lucrative opportunities it seems unlikely.


It may just be some sort of glitch (though it does seem an odd one).

To get some help diagnosing and possibly repairing the situation, I 
would recommend taking advantage of the Ubuntu forums, where they have 
a section for general help with derivative flavors like Xubuntu here:





> I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard
> drives within the same computer was safe.

Better than no backup at all, but not without risks.

With HDDs currently available for about US$50/TB I've become a big fan 
of removable portable drives.


I've collected quite a few, used in rotation with each containing the 
last set of files from the day before.


I use my secondary internal drive for incremental backups made with 
the backup utility included with Ubuntu, so I can restore any given 
file to any version over the last several months.


And then I further hedge my bets with both a NextCloud setup which 
backs up and versions my work files to my office server, and a second 
mirror repository on my Mac which is also backed up to an attached 
drive via Time Machine.


Given that all software has bugs, and some will eventually make mash 
of a backup, and that all hard drives will eventually fail, this 
multiply-redundant setup helps mitigate those risks, using HDDs I'd 
acquired over the years for various purposes so the redundancy has 
grown over time.


Of course manually managing these would be quite a time waster, so I 
wrote a pair of bash scripts, one for my Linux box and one for my Mac, 
which use rsync to automate the copying.  So now at the end of the day 
I just run one script on my Linux box, then a second on my Mac, and 
when they're done I have four local copies of everything (five for 
work files thanks to the always-updating NextCloud) and one removable 
drive updated to take home with the others for offsite protection.


Back in the '90s I lost a big chunk of critical data in a hard drive 
failure.  For me, taking a few minutes at the end of the day to run an 
automated redundant backup helps me sleep better.


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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson

Thanks for the advice and comfort.

On 11/28/16 6:28 am, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson
 wrote:

I am slowly recovering my stuff: estimated completion about 2 weeks . . .

Ouch. But surely a better Disk Utility Tool would help reduce that.
It's unlikely that the files are gone; especially if the computer was
working last night. GParted seems to be a basic Disk Utility program,
not a Disk Repair program. Here is a list of some that might help:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-linux-rescue-tools-for-recovering-linux-windows-or-mac-machines/

Gparted says there is nothing wrong with the disks!

I am wondering about demounting them and having the Macintosh check 
them, but not sure whether the

mac will recognise them.

I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard drives
within the same computer was safe.

As above; it's more like that the catalog files and the 'structure'
that points to all the 1 and 0's has been mangled but the actual files
are still in their location and with a good Repair program can be
retrieved - saving you well over a weeks worth of time.


Um: testdisk brings back the file structure: the directories and a lot 
of "0 kb" files

reflecting the files that have vanished.



I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(


That has to be the quote of the Decade.



Richmond.

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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-28 Thread Richard Gaskin

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(

Everything is hackable.


> I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,
>
> so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that
> not only had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2
> hard drives had vanished
>
> and were not recoverable by GParted.
>
> I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.

This may or may not be malware.

A more common attack would encrypt your files and demand bitcoin ransom. 
 Merely deleting the files means an attacker would be working with no 
benefit to themselves; not impossible, but with so many more lucrative 
opportunities it seems unlikely.


It may just be some sort of glitch (though it does seem an odd one).

To get some help diagnosing and possibly repairing the situation, I 
would recommend taking advantage of the Ubuntu forums, where they have a 
section for general help with derivative flavors like Xubuntu here:





> I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard
> drives within the same computer was safe.

Better than no backup at all, but not without risks.

With HDDs currently available for about US$50/TB I've become a big fan 
of removable portable drives.


I've collected quite a few, used in rotation with each containing the 
last set of files from the day before.


I use my secondary internal drive for incremental backups made with the 
backup utility included with Ubuntu, so I can restore any given file to 
any version over the last several months.


And then I further hedge my bets with both a NextCloud setup which backs 
up and versions my work files to my office server, and a second mirror 
repository on my Mac which is also backed up to an attached drive via 
Time Machine.


Given that all software has bugs, and some will eventually make mash of 
a backup, and that all hard drives will eventually fail, this 
multiply-redundant setup helps mitigate those risks, using HDDs I'd 
acquired over the years for various purposes so the redundancy has grown 
over time.


Of course manually managing these would be quite a time waster, so I 
wrote a pair of bash scripts, one for my Linux box and one for my Mac, 
which use rsync to automate the copying.  So now at the end of the day I 
just run one script on my Linux box, then a second on my Mac, and when 
they're done I have four local copies of everything (five for work files 
thanks to the always-updating NextCloud) and one removable drive updated 
to take home with the others for offsite protection.


Back in the '90s I lost a big chunk of critical data in a hard drive 
failure.  For me, taking a few minutes at the end of the day to run an 
automated redundant backup helps me sleep better.


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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-27 Thread Kay C Lan
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson
 wrote:
> I am slowly recovering my stuff: estimated completion about 2 weeks . . .

Ouch. But surely a better Disk Utility Tool would help reduce that.
It's unlikely that the files are gone; especially if the computer was
working last night. GParted seems to be a basic Disk Utility program,
not a Disk Repair program. Here is a list of some that might help:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-linux-rescue-tools-for-recovering-linux-windows-or-mac-machines/

> I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard drives
> within the same computer was safe.

As above; it's more like that the catalog files and the 'structure'
that points to all the 1 and 0's has been mangled but the actual files
are still in their location and with a good Repair program can be
retrieved - saving you well over a weeks worth of time.

> I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(
>
That has to be the quote of the Decade.

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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-27 Thread Roger Eller
Not as much as for Windows, but still some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware



On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am slowly recovering my stuff: estimated completion about 2 weeks . . .
>
> I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard drives
> within the same computer was safe.
>
> I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 11/27/16 10:39 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 11/27/16 5:43 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>> I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,
>>>
>>> so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that not
>>> only
>>>
>>> had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2 hard drives
>>> had vanished
>>>
>>> and were not recoverable by GParted.
>>>
>>> I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.
>>>
>>
>> Some malware does that.
>>
>>
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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-27 Thread Richmond Mathewson

I am slowly recovering my stuff: estimated completion about 2 weeks . . .

I was naive enough to think that backing up data onto other hard drives 
within the same computer was safe.


I was unaware that there was malware for Linux :(

Richmond.

On 11/27/16 10:39 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 11/27/16 5:43 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,

so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that not
only

had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2 hard drives
had vanished

and were not recoverable by GParted.

I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.


Some malware does that.




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Re: [OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-27 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 11/27/16 5:43 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,

so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that not
only

had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2 hard drives
had vanished

and were not recoverable by GParted.

I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.


Some malware does that.

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Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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[OT] Hosed Xubuntu system

2016-11-27 Thread Richmond Mathewson

I turned on my Xubuntu system this morning and found *nothing*,

so I started the machine up from a GParted boot disk and found that not only

had my boot disk been deleted, all the files on my other 2 hard drives 
had vanished


and were not recoverable by GParted.

I would be most grateful for any advice in this respect.

Richmond.


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