I had a little company that went bust due to lack of funds.
When that happens, the assets of the business must be sold off to pay
the creditors (we owed national insurance, PAYE tax, hosting services,
salaries, etc).
In hopes of trying to raise cash to pay off those debts, the solicitor
woul
I think the reason is because he wanted to be able to reverse the decision, if
at any point Apple wanted to resurrect the product in the future. Most software
companies that go under do not open source their stuff, if for no other reason
than to say to the public who didn't want to pay for it,
On 12/03/2011 04:11 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
To get you started, look into how many technologies are involved in these few
examples:
Darwin
WebKit
Firewire
TrueType
Bonjour
Here's a page of over 200 open source aspects to OSX:
http://www.apple.com/opensource/
Thanks . . . :)
On Dec 3,
What you say is true, but the list of TrueType, Bonjour, WebKit, and Firewire,
coming from Apple, is still a bit more than the "(n)ever having open-sourced
anything" that Richmond suggested.
On Dec 3, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Todd Geist wrote:
> >So TrueType and Bonjour may have come from Apple. But
That list is better described as a list of open source projects that Apple
has contributed to.
Darwin is composed of code developed by Apple, as well as code derived from
NeXTSTEP, BSD, and other free software projects. WebKit is a fork of KHTML
Many open source projects require you to publish th
To get you started, look into how many technologies are involved in these few
examples:
Darwin
WebKit
Firewire
TrueType
Bonjour
Here's a page of over 200 open source aspects to OSX:
http://www.apple.com/opensource/
On Dec 3, 2011, at 3:38 AM, Richmond wrote:
> >I am unaware of Apple (or Mi
On 12/03/2011 09:16 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
Yes, Jobs killed a lot of things that were losing money - but that does not
explain why Apple would not open-source Hypercard if it didn't want to
support it. It was possible to stop the losses without killing the product,
but he chose not to. There
Le 3 déc. 2011 à 08:16, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :
> Apple's worst enemy at that time was its
> fanatical user base
I am one of these ! (fanatical is a bit overdone...)
The real question is : why this kind of persons exists ?
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On 12/03/2011 07:17 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Todd-
Thursday, December 1, 2011, 5:15:12 PM, you wrote:
The part that I most liked about the linked article was the emphasis on
explorability. I think HyperCard had it. My other Tool FileMaker had it.
FileMaker has less of it today. And I think that
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I worked in Apple tech support in the UK, from October 1987 to end of Jan 1992,
and when I met HyperCard, which was very young at the time, I told my manager
that I thought it was going to be huge. He asked why, and I said, well, it's
like programming for the rest of us. He agreed.
When I start
Todd-
Thursday, December 1, 2011, 5:15:12 PM, you wrote:
> The part that I most liked about the linked article was the emphasis on
> explorability. I think HyperCard had it. My other Tool FileMaker had it.
> FileMaker has less of it today. And I think that LiveCode is not as
> explorable as Hyper
Mark-
Friday, December 2, 2011, 1:28:24 PM, you wrote:
> I worked at Apple in the 1990-1997 time frame, and was involved
> in the migration of technical documentation from paper over to CD
> ROM. Cutting edge stuff in those days, believe me, and the delivery
> vehicle we used was...wait for it..
Geoff-
Friday, December 2, 2011, 12:53:28 AM, you wrote:
> Some people, when confronted with a problem, think I know, I'll use
> regular expressions. Now they have two problems.
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Hmmm... we use a web based grading system that the school is very dissatisfied
with. They require a persistent connection with the web server which is
sometimes a problem in large network environments where one screwup somewhere
in a configuration or a router or switch reset produces a hornet's
oth.
Mark
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[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Björnke von Gierke
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.
> All those projects where sucking up money, t
Don't know which message in the thread to replicate here.
I was an early adopter of Hypercard and had developed an interesting set of
resources utilizing our local Corvus network in the early 90s (the university
wasn't yet networked back then.)
Students received copies of a "Workbook" stack and
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:55, René Micout a écrit :
>
> Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:32, Pierre Sahores a écrit :
>
>> the workflow we need to build to solve the initial defined customer's need.
>
> Bonjour Pierre,
Bonsoir René,
> A little precision : with HC the initial customer and programmer was the sam
Hmmm disagree. Most people do not want to do accounting either, and so do not
have accounting software. That is not an argument for why accounting software
should go away.
Bob
On Dec 2, 2011, at 5:32 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> David Stevens says: December 1, 2011 at 3:10 pm
>
> A likely re
Ah but you have pulled a bait and switch. The owner is solving a different
problem. He needs to get in again and again, whilst keeping others without the
key out. Much more complex than the thief's problem, which is getting in only
once and to hell with the owner or anyone else.
Bob
On Dec 2
Yes this is true, but only because someone else dealt with the complexity,
solved the problems, and then presented the end user with a machine that did
the work or calculations for him. But make no mistake someone had to solve the
actual problems or there would have been no machine/calculator/wh
Björnke, I think you are right on the money.
I had never used Hypercard, but stumbled across Rev 1.1.1 and was staggered
to think that this entire programming paradigm had passed me by (I wrote my
first BASIC program in 1980). I'm glad that RunRev/Metacard had gone with
a cross-platform implement
Bonjour Pierre,
Am 02.12.2011 um 14:53 schrieb Pierre Sahores:
> I did't got the bucks to license Oracle Media Objects ;-/
> What was this REAL "Table" object! ;-) you seems to say we can't redesign it
> in LC ? ;D
Well, it was a REAL spreadsheet like in Excel!
And one could addres it like that
shrink wrapped software in general
> would suffer if a large population of users could roll their own solutions.
> No need for filemaker or excel.
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Geist
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Sent: Thu
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:32, Pierre Sahores a écrit :
> the workflow we need to build to solve the initial defined customer's need.
Bonjour Pierre,
A little precision : with HC the initial customer and programmer was the same
person...
I think that will be the same with LC... But is really the case?
I did't got the bucks to license Oracle Media Objects ;-/ What was this REAL
"Table" object! ;-) you seems to say we can't redesign it in LC ? ;D
Kind regards,
Pierre
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:39, Klaus on-rev a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> Am 02.12.2011 um 14:32 schrieb Pierre Sahores:
>
>> Among the co
Hi all,
Am 02.12.2011 um 14:32 schrieb Pierre Sahores:
> Among the comments of this interesting "http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568";
> paper...,
> Phillip says: November 30, 2011 at 4:49 pm
> It was killed because Hypercard on an iPod is all you would ever need to buy.
> How do you spell APP Store
Among the comments of this interesting "http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568";
paper...,
Phillip says: November 30, 2011 at 4:49 pm
It was killed because Hypercard on an iPod is all you would ever need to buy.
How do you spell APP Store killer? HYPERCARD.
BC says: December 1, 2011 at 12:06 pm
"Ye
Both of the apply to a simple example.
How to get something from a combination locked glass case. But
circumstances and requirements are a big part of how much complexity can be
removed. As does background and world view.
An engineer might study how the lock works and try to determine if it can
be
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 02:15, Todd Geist a écrit :
> I think that
> breakthroughs in technology are really about taking a complex problem and
> making it simpler. The best solutions are the simplest ones.
>
> "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a
> touch of genius
To clarify, I would have all the features of Mac OS X Lion (all the interface,
Core MIDI, Core Graphics, etc ...)
We are far of that...
What will happen when Microsoft will deliver Windows 8?
As Microsoft was based on Mac OS to progress, a common line persisted, but
tomorrow, the gap may widen fu
Sorry, not very well, this is only a race to the bottom (nivellement par le bas
in French)
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 03:09, Petrides, M.D. Marian a écrit :
> That's for sure. One other missing "feature" in Hypercard that was not
> mentioned is cross-platform support, which LC does very well. (Thank He
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Let me propose that a solution cannot be simpler than the problem it is
> meant to solve.
Assuming that this is true, it is nevertheless possible for a solution to
be far, far more complex than the problem it is intended to solve. One
quote r
On 12/02/2011 02:50 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:
Bob said: Let me propose that a solution cannot be simpler than the problem
it is meant to solve.
Yep. The most important part of programming/building/creation in general is
defining the problem. Well ok, for me the biggest issue is making it pretty
sin
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From: Todd Geist
To: How to use LiveCode
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.
Hi Bob,
The part that I most liked about the linked article was the emphasis on
explorability. I think HyperCard had it. My other Tool FileMaker had it.
FileMaker has
That's for sure. One other missing "feature" in Hypercard that was not
mentioned is cross-platform support, which LC does very well. (Thank Heavens!)
On Dec 1, 2011, at 7:02 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> LiveCode has grown to be much more capable, as it turns out. I'm glad we
> ended up here.
_
Hi Bob,
The part that I most liked about the linked article was the emphasis on
explorability. I think HyperCard had it. My other Tool FileMaker had it.
FileMaker has less of it today. And I think that LiveCode is not as
explorable as HyperCard was. In the case of LiveCode it nows support 7
plat
On 12/1/11 4:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
What made Hypercard obsolete was time and the lack of certain things
that became essential to modern apps or dev environments, like say
real color support or database access, not to mention a robust
graphics engine like Livecode has.
Steve Jobs killed it.
Totally agree with that. Plus LiveCode isn't a solution to anything, it's
a tool to implement a solution.
Pete
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Bob said: Let me propose that a solution cannot be simpler than the problem
> it is meant to solve.
>
> Yep. The most important par
Bob said: Let me propose that a solution cannot be simpler than the problem
it is meant to solve.
Yep. The most important part of programming/building/creation in general is
defining the problem. Well ok, for me the biggest issue is making it pretty
since I have zero design intuition. But that pro
Hi Todd. Let me propose that a solution cannot be simpler than the problem it
is meant to solve. People who think so are usually only imagining how simple
the solution can be. When they actually get in and try to solve it, they find a
world of complexity that was hiding behind their imaginations
First, the link to BaseliskII port for Mac OS X does not work. Didn't work
before, don't work now. Now about the article. I think I disagree with him on a
number of things, but what comes to my mind is the notion that the computer can
be a "mind amplifier" or a "train" as opposed to a "bicycle".
Excellent read. And entirely plausible.
I think his assertion that the various HyperCard clones that are too
complex and contain too many mystery knobs is pretty accurate.
My first programs were written in HyperCard. It was easy to figure out. I
have spent decades now writing software or databa
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568
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