Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-05-30 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
My volunteer stint at Covid Watch (anonymous exposure notification) is ending. 
The project is moving into a phase that needs other skillsets. 

I never got a chance to use LiveCode, though it was 2nd on my shortlist for a 
simulation that was never created. The 1st was Colab. 

Dar


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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-05-16 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Covid Watch (where I'm working) is decentralized. (of course) 

> On May 14, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Updated news: Germany steps up to the plate
> 
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52650576
> https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-05-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

Updated news: Germany steps up to the plate

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52650576
https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-22 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
Yes - we launched the radio station collecting sounds and voices from round
the world on Earth Day, it is live now with sounds being added to the piece
as it comes in. Radio player on this page:

   - https://www.nowwhat2020.com/sonic-spring-sound-garden

To listen live. It's an ambient musical slow jam - start of a project
leading to a conference we will be organising for Earth Day next year.

As part of the event we are also doing an open space meeting (in Zoom -
sorry about that - last one hopefully before we move to our own platform).
We're doing it on Patterns of Life - where we discuss Pattern Language and
it's relation to the origins of Wiki with Ward Cunningham, and to the
future information architecture we need. It's an open space with breakouts
so you can bring your own topics and discuss them with others in small
groups:

   - Patterns of Nature -
   https://teamup.com/event/show/id/eNTEPffjchtYe3RYbzHjCXQy7ePrzr
   - Full calendar of events - https://teamup.com/ks3bcytpjd2v8bus7k
   - Zoom - https://zoom.us/j/92153676576 (20:00 London Time - see calendar
   above for times in your zone)


Best wished on Earth Day,

David


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 16:57, dsc--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is something still happening tomorrow?
>
> > On Apr 18, 2020, at 1:46 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I will attend.
> >
> >> On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:45 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the
> cartoon images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion
> about privacy issues. Not so good for an app.
> >>
> >> My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative
> workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference
> that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing
> to drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.
> >>
> >> It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space
> meeting when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode
> workshop on making a CORVID-19 app.
> >>
> >> My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene
> some if the breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be
> a fun part of that.
> >>
> >> I could do with some help though :)
> >> On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >>> Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact
> diary as mentioned here.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.coronika.app/en 
> >>>
> >>> I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done
> better?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing
> at to a web app of some sort.
> 
> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code
> whatever your domain.
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
>  1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps.
> (We have changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
> >>>
> >>> This any help?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark Wieder
> >>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> >>>
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-21 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Is something still happening tomorrow?

> On Apr 18, 2020, at 1:46 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will attend.
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:45 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the cartoon 
>> images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion about 
>> privacy issues. Not so good for an app.
>> 
>> My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative 
>> workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference 
>> that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing 
>> to drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.
>> 
>> It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space meeting 
>> when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode workshop on 
>> making a CORVID-19 app.
>> 
>> My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene some if 
>> the breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be a fun 
>> part of that.
>> 
>> I could do with some help though :)
>> On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact diary 
>>> as mentioned here.
>>> 
>>> https://www.coronika.app/en 
>>> 
>>> I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done 
>>> better?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to 
 a web app of some sort.
 
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever 
> your domain.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We 
 have changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
>>> 
>>> This any help?
>>> 
>>> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>>> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-18 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
I will attend.

> On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:45 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the cartoon 
> images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion about 
> privacy issues. Not so good for an app.
> 
> My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative 
> workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference 
> that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing 
> to drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.
> 
> It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space meeting 
> when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode workshop on 
> making a CORVID-19 app.
> 
> My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene some if 
> the breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be a fun 
> part of that.
> 
> I could do with some help though :)
> On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact diary 
>> as mentioned here.
>> 
>> https://www.coronika.app/en 
>> 
>> I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done 
>> better?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to 
>>> a web app of some sort.
>>> 
 On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever 
 your domain.
 
 
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have 
>>> changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
>> 
>> This any help?
>> 
>> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-18 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
I don't think Coronika is made with LiveCode. However, it might be inspiring. 
For some reason downloading never completes on my old Android phone.

> On Apr 18, 2020, at 11:56 AM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's not made with livecode right?
> 
> Op 18-4-2020 om 15:45 schreef David Bovill via use-livecode:
>> The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the cartoon 
>> images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion about 
>> privacy issues. Not so good for an app.
>> 
>> My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative 
>> workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference 
>> that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing 
>> to drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.
>> 
>> It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space meeting 
>> when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode workshop on 
>> making a CORVID-19 app.
>> 
>> My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene some if 
>> the breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be a fun 
>> part of that.
>> 
>> I could do with some help though :)
>> On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact diary 
>>> as mentioned here.
>>> 
>>> https://www.coronika.app/en 
>>> 
>>> I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done 
>>> better?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to 
 a web app of some sort.
 
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever 
> your domain.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We 
 have changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
>>> This any help?
>>> 
>>> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>>> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-18 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode

That's not made with livecode right?

Op 18-4-2020 om 15:45 schreef David Bovill via use-livecode:

The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the cartoon 
images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion about privacy 
issues. Not so good for an app.

My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative 
workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference 
that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing to 
drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.

It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space meeting 
when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode workshop on 
making a CORVID-19 app.

My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene some if the 
breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be a fun part of 
that.

I could do with some help though :)
On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact diary as 
mentioned here.

https://www.coronika.app/en 

I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done better?





On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to a 
web app of some sort.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever your 
domain.



On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Thanks!



On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:

On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:

1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have changed 
COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)

This any help?

https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines

--
Mark Wieder
ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-18 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the cartoon 
images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion about privacy 
issues. Not so good for an app.

My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative 
workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference 
that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing to 
drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.

It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space meeting 
when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode workshop on 
making a CORVID-19 app.

My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene some if the 
breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be a fun part of 
that.

I could do with some help though :)
On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact diary as 
> mentioned here.
>
> https://www.coronika.app/en 
>
> I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done better?
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to 
> > a web app of some sort.
> >
> > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever 
> > > your domain.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
> > > > > > 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We 
> > > > > > have changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
> > > > >
> > > > > This any help?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mark Wieder
> > > > > ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> > > > >
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-17 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact diary as 
mentioned here. 

https://www.coronika.app/en 

I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done better?




> On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to a 
> web app of some sort.
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever your 
>> domain. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
> 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have 
> changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
 
 This any help?
 
 https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-15 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing at to a 
web app of some sort.

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever your 
> domain. 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have 
 changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
>>> 
>>> This any help?
>>> 
>>> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-14 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code whatever your 
domain. 


> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have 
>>> changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
>> 
>> This any help?
>> 
>> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
>> 
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>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-13 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Thanks!


> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
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> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> 1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have 
>> changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
> 
> This any help?
> 
> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-13 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:

1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have changed 
COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)


This any help?

https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-13 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps. (We have changed 
COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)

2. I looks like there is a need for a 14-day self quarantine app. In addition 
to what we have discussed already, it should have a place to put daily symptoms 
and checkboxes or reminders to notify doctor and whether one has been tested.


> On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:04 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anybody with experience in MyChart or HIPPA or the like?
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 2:40 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know why they allow hippos to run free in a hospital, but I hear 
>> there can be a hippo concern. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 2:05 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, like NANORIMO, but 14 days!
>>> 
>>> I think it would be a good promo for businesses to give a 14-day gift to 
>>> those in self quarantine. Book a day. A 14-day subscription to their news 
>>> magazine. Movie a day. Maybe not even quarantine, just anybody who wants to 
>>> be by themselves for 14 day. 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 I like that, jokes, puzzles, movies, any form of entertainment to help 
 pass the time. I think if I were quarantined for 14 days, I’d start 
 writing a best seller :)
 
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 14 day devotional? Daily quarantine tips? Daily jokes? ...
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What would it be designed to help you with?
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
 
 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person 
> in person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
> minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in 
> traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
> 
> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your 
> phone; it only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer 
> contact tracing questions. 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to 
>> download apps.
>> 
>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
>>> Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the 
>>> comic in an app that we could add contact tracing functionality 
>>> too. I think emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would 
>>> be something that would be an important aspect and a strong point 
>>> with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts 
>>> by other groups?
>>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>> , wrote:
 And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
 
 Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
 needs an app.
 co...@4catalyzer.com 
 
 Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept 
 and go in one's own direction?
 
 Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several 
 languages, so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can 
 localize a little.
 
 Dar
 team COVID Watch
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-12 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Anybody with experience in MyChart or HIPPA or the like?

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 2:40 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know why they allow hippos to run free in a hospital, but I hear 
> there can be a hippo concern. 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 2:05 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, like NANORIMO, but 14 days!
>> 
>> I think it would be a good promo for businesses to give a 14-day gift to 
>> those in self quarantine. Book a day. A 14-day subscription to their news 
>> magazine. Movie a day. Maybe not even quarantine, just anybody who wants to 
>> be by themselves for 14 day. 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like that, jokes, puzzles, movies, any form of entertainment to help pass 
>>> the time. I think if I were quarantined for 14 days, I’d start writing a 
>>> best seller :)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 14 day devotional? Daily quarantine tips? Daily jokes? ...
 
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What would it be designed to help you with?
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
>>> 
>>> 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
 
 Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person 
 in person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
 minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in 
 traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
 
 This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; 
 it only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact 
 tracing questions. 
 
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to 
> download apps.
> 
> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
>> Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic 
>> in an app that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I 
>> think emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would be 
>> something that would be an important aspect and a strong point with 
>> regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts by 
>> other groups?
>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
>>> needs an app.
>>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>>> 
>>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept 
>>> and go in one's own direction?
>>> 
>>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several 
>>> languages, so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can 
>>> localize a little.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> team COVID Watch
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-12 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Is this normal?

Guideline 5.1.1 - Legal - Privacy - Data Collection and Storage
We found in our review that your app provides services or requires sensitive 
user information related to the COVID-19 pandemic. Since the COVID-19 pandemic 
is a public health crisis, services and information related to it are 
considered to be part of the healthcare industry. In addition, the seller and 
company names associated with your app are not from a recognized institution, 
such as a governmental entity, hospital, insurance company, non-governmental 
organization, or university. 
Per section 5.1.1 (ix) of the App Store Review Guidelines, apps that provide 
services or collect sensitive user information in highly-regulated fields, such 
as healthcare, should be submitted by a legal entity that provides these 
services, and not by an individual developer. 

Next Steps 
To resolve this issue, your app must be published under a seller and company 
name of a recognized institution. If you have developed this app on behalf of 
such an institution, please advise your client to add you to the development 
team of their Apple Developer account. If your client does not yet have an 
Apple Developer account, they can enroll for one as an organization through the 
Apple Developer website.

Resources
For additional details, please refer to the update on the Apple Developer 
website about Ensuring the Credibility of Health & Safety Information.

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:37 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Next to the Dutch sites, you can also write your Tender(Idea) to 
> covid19-...@minvws.nl
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:35 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know if it was said already...
>>> 
>>> The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so 
>>> people are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.
>>> 
>>> Any other ideas are welcome.
>>> 
>>> Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.
>>> 
>>> Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will decide 
>>> where they go for, or who can build it.
>>> 
>>> As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know how 
>>> Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te major 
>>> things.
>>> 
>>> It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is 
>>> nearby and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there is 
>>> some kind of tracking, albeit privacy safe.
>>> 
>>> You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.
>>> 
>>> note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create an 
>>> app for both platforms.
>>> 
>>> Ciao!
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> 
>>> Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:
 Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What would it be designed to help you with?
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person 
>>> in person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
>>> minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in 
>>> traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
>>> 
>>> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; 
>>> it only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact 
>>> tracing questions.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to 
 download apps.
 
 And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
 
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
> Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic 
> in an app that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I 
> think emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would be 
> something that would be an important aspect and a strong point with 
> regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts by 
> other groups?
> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>> 
>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
>> needs an app.
>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>> 
>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or 

Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
Next to the Dutch sites, you can also write your Tender(Idea) to 
covid19-...@minvws.nl



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:35 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Don't know if it was said already...

The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so people 
are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.

Any other ideas are welcome.

Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.

Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will decide where 
they go for, or who can build it.

As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know how 
Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te major things.

It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is nearby 
and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there is some kind 
of tracking, albeit privacy safe.

You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.

note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create an app 
for both platforms.

Ciao!

Jerry

Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:

Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:

What would it be designed to help you with?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine



On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in person for a few 
minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" checkboxes that might be 
an aid when interviewed in traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.

This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it only 
helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing questions.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.

And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that we 
could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the story 
telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important aspect and 
a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating 
efforts by other groups?
On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.

Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app.
co...@4catalyzer.com 

Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
one's own direction?

Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you 
include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.

Dar
team COVID Watch

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
I found the Tender page where people can write in for this tender, for 
those who are willing, it's in Dutch so if you can't read it, translate it:


https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/ministeries/ministerie-van-volksgezondheid-welzijn-en-sport/nieuws/2020/04/11/oproep-om-mee-te-denken-over-apps

and this is the Tender page where you can Apply to it:

https://www.tenderned.nl/tenderned-tap/aankondigingen/192421


Cheers,

Jerry


Op 11-4-2020 om 21:55 schreef Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode:

Maybe it can also be something like Facetime and give you a "gregarious-ity" 
score.

Maybe it can even work based on Bluetooth classic inquiry. If this works, this 
would work even with older Androids, but I'm not sure about iOS.

1/128th baked: Audio and audio control protocols...


Are there Bluetooth libraries for LC mobile? I expect that serial might be 
there but that might not be very privacy preserving.


Oh, Google and Apple are not putting together an app (yet), they are making an 
engine so we can make cars. Well, I don't know that they are. I have trouble 
keeping up. The API that they are describing is very much like what folks at 
Covid watch, Eastcoast PACT and DP-3T have been describing. Two of those have 
libraries available right now.

Build a car!





On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:35 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Don't know if it was said already...

The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so people 
are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.

Any other ideas are welcome.

Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.

Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will decide where 
they go for, or who can build it.

As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know how 
Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te major things.

It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is nearby 
and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there is some kind 
of tracking, albeit privacy safe.

You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.

note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create an app 
for both platforms.

Ciao!

Jerry

Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:

Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:

What would it be designed to help you with?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine



On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in person for a few 
minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" checkboxes that might be 
an aid when interviewed in traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.

This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it only 
helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing questions.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.

And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that we 
could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the story 
telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important aspect and 
a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating 
efforts by other groups?
On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.

Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app.
co...@4catalyzer.com 

Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
one's own direction?

Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you 
include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.

Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
I don't know why they allow hippos to run free in a hospital, but I hear there 
can be a hippo concern. 


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 2:05 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ah, like NANORIMO, but 14 days!
> 
> I think it would be a good promo for businesses to give a 14-day gift to 
> those in self quarantine. Book a day. A 14-day subscription to their news 
> magazine. Movie a day. Maybe not even quarantine, just anybody who wants to 
> be by themselves for 14 day. 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I like that, jokes, puzzles, movies, any form of entertainment to help pass 
>> the time. I think if I were quarantined for 14 days, I’d start writing a 
>> best seller :)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 14 day devotional? Daily quarantine tips? Daily jokes? ...
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What would it be designed to help you with?
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person 
>>> in person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
>>> minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in 
>>> traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
>>> 
>>> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; 
>>> it only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact 
>>> tracing questions. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to 
 download apps.
 
 And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
 
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
> Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic 
> in an app that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I 
> think emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would be 
> something that would be an important aspect and a strong point with 
> regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts by 
> other groups?
> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>> 
>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
>> needs an app.
>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>> 
>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept 
>> and go in one's own direction?
>> 
>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, 
>> so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>> 
>> Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Ah, like NANORIMO, but 14 days!

I think it would be a good promo for businesses to give a 14-day gift to those 
in self quarantine. Book a day. A 14-day subscription to their news magazine. 
Movie a day. Maybe not even quarantine, just anybody who wants to be by 
themselves for 14 day. 

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like that, jokes, puzzles, movies, any form of entertainment to help pass 
> the time. I think if I were quarantined for 14 days, I’d start writing a best 
> seller :)
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 14 day devotional? Daily quarantine tips? Daily jokes? ...
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 What would it be designed to help you with?
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
>> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
>> minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional 
>> contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
>> 
>> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; 
>> it only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
>> questions. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to 
>>> download apps.
>>> 
>>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
 Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic 
 in an app that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think 
 emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would be something 
 that would be an important aspect and a strong point with regard to 
 adding to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
 On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 , wrote:
> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
> 
> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
> needs an app.
> co...@4catalyzer.com 
> 
> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept 
> and go in one's own direction?
> 
> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, 
> so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
> 
> Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
I like that, jokes, puzzles, movies, any form of entertainment to help pass the 
time. I think if I were quarantined for 14 days, I’d start writing a best 
seller :)


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 14 day devotional? Daily quarantine tips? Daily jokes? ...
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What would it be designed to help you with?
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
 
 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
> minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional 
> contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
> 
> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
> only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
> questions. 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
>> apps.
>> 
>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
>>> Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in 
>>> an app that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think 
>>> emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would be something that 
>>> would be an important aspect and a strong point with regard to adding 
>>> to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
>>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>> , wrote:
 And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
 
 Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
 needs an app.
 co...@4catalyzer.com 
 
 Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and 
 go in one's own direction?
 
 Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, 
 so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
 
 Dar
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2020-04-11 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Maybe it can also be something like Facetime and give you a "gregarious-ity" 
score.

Maybe it can even work based on Bluetooth classic inquiry. If this works, this 
would work even with older Androids, but I'm not sure about iOS.

1/128th baked: Audio and audio control protocols...


Are there Bluetooth libraries for LC mobile? I expect that serial might be 
there but that might not be very privacy preserving. 


Oh, Google and Apple are not putting together an app (yet), they are making an 
engine so we can make cars. Well, I don't know that they are. I have trouble 
keeping up. The API that they are describing is very much like what folks at 
Covid watch, Eastcoast PACT and DP-3T have been describing. Two of those have 
libraries available right now. 

Build a car!




> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:35 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't know if it was said already...
> 
> The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so people 
> are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.
> 
> Any other ideas are welcome.
> 
> Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.
> 
> Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will decide 
> where they go for, or who can build it.
> 
> As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know how 
> Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te major things.
> 
> It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is nearby 
> and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there is some kind 
> of tracking, albeit privacy safe.
> 
> You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.
> 
> note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create an 
> app for both platforms.
> 
> Ciao!
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:
>> Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What would it be designed to help you with?
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
 
 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
> minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional 
> contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
> 
> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
> only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
> questions.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
>> apps.
>> 
>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + 
>>> Googles initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in 
>>> an app that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think 
>>> emphasising in the story telling privacy issues would be something that 
>>> would be an important aspect and a strong point with regard to adding 
>>> to the mix - rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
>>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>> , wrote:
 And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
 
 Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that 
 needs an app.
 co...@4catalyzer.com 
 
 Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and 
 go in one's own direction?
 
 Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, 
 so if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
 
 Dar
 team COVID Watch
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
14 day devotional? Daily quarantine tips? Daily jokes? ...


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Dev via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What would it be designed to help you with?
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
>>> 
>>> 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
 
 Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
 person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few 
 minutes" checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional 
 contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
 
 This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
 only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
 questions. 
 
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
> apps.
> 
> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
>> initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app 
>> that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising 
>> in the story telling privacy issues would be something that would be an 
>> important aspect and a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - 
>> rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs 
>>> an app.
>>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>>> 
>>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and 
>>> go in one's own direction?
>>> 
>>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so 
>>> if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>>> 
>>> Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode

Don't know if it was said already...

The Dutch government is asking for app ideas for this Covid virus, so 
people are alerted if they are to close to another, that's one thing.


Any other ideas are welcome.

Further, it has to be absolutely privacy safe for civliians.

Any idea can be dropped within the next 2 weeks and then they will 
decide where they go for, or who can build it.


As Livecode is rapid development, you could win with time. Don't know 
how Bluetooth is supported in LC, but probably it will be one of te 
major things.


It does not has to connect, you can (if i'm total correct) see who is 
nearby and even read the address of the other bluetooth. So maybe there 
is some kind of tracking, albeit privacy safe.


You have to Google where you can register yourself, cause i don't know.

note that Google and Apple are already putting heads together to create 
an app for both platforms.


Ciao!

Jerry

Op 11-4-2020 om 20:34 schreef Dev via use-livecode:

Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
 wrote:

What would it be designed to help you with?


On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine



On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in person for a few 
minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" checkboxes that might be 
an aid when interviewed in traditional contact tracing. Those might be used for filtering.

This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it only 
helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing questions.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.

And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.



On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that we 
could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the story 
telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important aspect and 
a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating 
efforts by other groups?
On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:

And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.

Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app.
co...@4catalyzer.com 

Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
one's own direction?

Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you 
include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.

Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread Dev via use-livecode
Countdown of the hours left in purgatory?

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What would it be designed to help you with?
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
>>> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" 
>>> checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional contact 
>>> tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
>>> 
>>> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
>>> only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
>>> questions. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
 apps.
 
 And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
 
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
> initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app 
> that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising 
> in the story telling privacy issues would be something that would be an 
> important aspect and a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - 
> rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>> 
>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs 
>> an app.
>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>> 
>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and 
>> go in one's own direction?
>> 
>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so 
>> if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>> 
>> Dar
>> team COVID Watch
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
What would it be designed to help you with?

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:51 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
>> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" 
>> checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional contact 
>> tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
>> 
>> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
>> only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
>> questions. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
>>> apps.
>>> 
>>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
 initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app 
 that we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising 
 in the story telling privacy issues would be something that would be an 
 important aspect and a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - 
 rather than duplicating efforts by other groups?
 On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
 , wrote:
> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
> 
> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs 
> an app.
> co...@4catalyzer.com 
> 
> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go 
> in one's own direction?
> 
> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so 
> if you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
> 
> Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
App idea: 14 days of self-quarantine


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:35 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in 
> person for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" 
> checkboxes that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional contact 
> tracing. Those might be used for filtering.
> 
> This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it 
> only helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing 
> questions. 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download 
>> apps.
>> 
>> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
>>> initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that 
>>> we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the 
>>> story telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important 
>>> aspect and a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than 
>>> duplicating efforts by other groups?
>>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>> , wrote:
 And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
 
 Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
 app.
 co...@4catalyzer.com 
 
 Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go 
 in one's own direction?
 
 Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
 you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
 
 Dar
 team COVID Watch
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Maybe a diary app can be enhanced to include "Talked with this person in person 
for a few minutes" and "Lingered at this location for a few minutes" checkboxes 
that might be an aid when interviewed in traditional contact tracing. Those 
might be used for filtering.

This does not add to anything lost when Big Brother steals your phone; it only 
helps you or daughter-spouse-caregiver to answer contact tracing questions. 


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:34 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.
> 
> And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
>> initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that 
>> we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the 
>> story telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important 
>> aspect and a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than 
>> duplicating efforts by other groups?
>> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
>>> app.
>>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>>> 
>>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go 
>>> in one's own direction?
>>> 
>>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
>>> you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> team COVID Watch
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
I like it. And it can give kids a chance to show grandma how to download apps.

And this can be added to the COVID-19 button of current apps, too.


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:03 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
> initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that 
> we could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the 
> story telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important 
> aspect and a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than 
> duplicating efforts by other groups?
> On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>> 
>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
>> app.
>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>> 
>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
>> one's own direction?
>> 
>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
>> you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>> 
>> Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-11 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
Personally - especially after reading the links below on Apple + Googles 
initiative - I’d go for story telling based around the comic in an app that we 
could add contact tracing functionality too. I think emphasising in the story 
telling privacy issues would be something that would be an important aspect and 
a strong point with regard to adding to the mix - rather than duplicating 
efforts by other groups?
On 10 Apr 2020, 18:05 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>
> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
> app.
> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>
> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
> one's own direction?
>
> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
> you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>
> Dar
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I've resented that before. Apple adds a popular feature to iOS based on the 
download count of apps in its store, and then removes the original author's 
app and won't reinstate it.


Google does the same thing but at least leaves the original app available.

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On April 10, 2020 6:44:06 PM dsc--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Short rant; skip if busy.

What really gets me is that Carmela Troncoso, with help from an asteroid 
belt of others, has worked hard on DP-3T, and Apple/Google adopts it with 
some changes and then is all Apple/Google! Apple/Google! in the news. I 
know that a big name can save lives. And I expect Dr. Troncoso is not in it 
for the glory. But, still...


I want to recognize my heroes.

And I'm sure there are some heroes out there that are only known to be 
heroes by a few, and those might be the cats.



On Apr 10, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
 wrote:


The illustrations from Google in that article are goofed up. I don't know 
whether Google did it or TechCrunch.


The gray background confuses things. The "few days later" goes left to 
right not top to bottom.


The order should be...

Alice and Bob meet...
Their phones exchange...
A few days later...
Bob is positively...
With Bob's consent...
Alice continues...
Alice's phone...
Sometime later...
Alice sees a notification...
Alice's phone...

I'm not saying that is the best way, only that the description of the 
procedure outlined by Google is confusing.





On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 5:07 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On 4/10/20 11:56 AM, Mike Doub via use-livecode wrote:

Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121

From my limited understanding of this, Apple and Google are creating an
API which will be part of the OS. And then it's up to developers to
create apps and convince users to download them (Apple gets their 30%
off the top, no?). So at best we have reporting from the set of users
who have decided to opt in, download an app, and accept the app's
permissions.



Here are some additional details. Seems like a good thing they are doing.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/10/apple-and-google-are-launching-a-joint-covid-19-tracing-tool/

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
You are right. We must remain diligent. 

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/10/20 3:58 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> Here are some additional details. Seems like a good thing they are doing.
> 
> It *is* a good thing, no doubt about it.
> But the opportunities for misuse are rife.
> TSA: "You can't fly unless you have a RealID and a green indicator on the 
> official Covid19 app."
> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 4/10/20 3:58 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:


Here are some additional details. Seems like a good thing they are doing.


It *is* a good thing, no doubt about it.
But the opportunities for misuse are rife.
TSA: "You can't fly unless you have a RealID and a green indicator on 
the official Covid19 app."


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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 4/10/20 3:51 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:

Don't know what "list like that" you are referring to. Currently, Android (and 
maybe iOS, too, I don't know) requires Location as a prerequisite to using Bluetooth. My 
impression is that with the new API, this is not required. So, the list for any app is 
smaller.


Requiring location to be enabled for Bluetooth is a design decision. 
Originally it was not required for Android, but your location can be 
leaked by Bluetooth anyway (it has MAC addresses), so in later versions 
of Android location permission has been a requirement if you're going to 
enable Bluetooth, just to explicitly let the user know that their 
location is not going to be private.


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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
Short rant; skip if busy.

What really gets me is that Carmela Troncoso, with help from an asteroid belt 
of others, has worked hard on DP-3T, and Apple/Google adopts it with some 
changes and then is all Apple/Google! Apple/Google! in the news. I know that a 
big name can save lives. And I expect Dr. Troncoso is not in it for the glory. 
But, still...

I want to recognize my heroes. 

And I'm sure there are some heroes out there that are only known to be heroes 
by a few, and those might be the cats.


> On Apr 10, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The illustrations from Google in that article are goofed up. I don't know 
> whether Google did it or TechCrunch.
> 
> The gray background confuses things. The "few days later" goes left to right 
> not top to bottom.
> 
> The order should be...
> 
> Alice and Bob meet...
> Their phones exchange...
>   A few days later...
> Bob is positively...
> With Bob's consent...
> Alice continues...
> Alice's phone...
>   Sometime later...
> Alice sees a notification...
> Alice's phone...
> 
> I'm not saying that is the best way, only that the description of the 
> procedure outlined by Google is confusing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 5:07 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/10/20 11:56 AM, Mike Doub via use-livecode wrote:
 Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs
 
 
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121
>>> 
>>> From my limited understanding of this, Apple and Google are creating an
>>> API which will be part of the OS. And then it's up to developers to
>>> create apps and convince users to download them (Apple gets their 30%
>>> off the top, no?). So at best we have reporting from the set of users
>>> who have decided to opt in, download an app, and accept the app's
>>> permissions.
>> 
>> 
>> Here are some additional details. Seems like a good thing they are doing.
>> 
>> https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/10/apple-and-google-are-launching-a-joint-covid-19-tracing-tool/
>> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Alright, Richard!

But, uh, before you hit the streets, put on your mask and download a contact 
tracing app from a competent freedom-loving source.


> On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark Wieder wrote:
> > Of course, a "standard" app will soon become compulsory for tracking
> > and permission to be out on the street, as it did in China.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/ashk4n?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248659874679902210
> 
> If compulsory, the first thing I'll do is throw my phone away.  The second 
> thing I'll do is join the millions in the streets reminder our leadership 
> that we don't do things here like they're done in China.
> #BillOfRights
> 
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> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
The illustrations from Google in that article are goofed up. I don't know 
whether Google did it or TechCrunch.

The gray background confuses things. The "few days later" goes left to right 
not top to bottom.

The order should be...

Alice and Bob meet...
Their phones exchange...
A few days later...
Bob is positively...
With Bob's consent...
Alice continues...
Alice's phone...
Sometime later...
Alice sees a notification...
Alice's phone...

I'm not saying that is the best way, only that the description of the procedure 
outlined by Google is confusing.




> On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 5:07 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/10/20 11:56 AM, Mike Doub via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121
>> 
>> From my limited understanding of this, Apple and Google are creating an
>> API which will be part of the OS. And then it's up to developers to
>> create apps and convince users to download them (Apple gets their 30%
>> off the top, no?). So at best we have reporting from the set of users
>> who have decided to opt in, download an app, and accept the app's
>> permissions.
> 
> 
> Here are some additional details. Seems like a good thing they are doing.
> 
> https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/10/apple-and-google-are-launching-a-joint-covid-19-tracing-tool/
> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Trevor DeVore via use-livecode
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 5:07 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 4/10/20 11:56 AM, Mike Doub via use-livecode wrote:
> > Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs
> >
> >
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121
>
>  From my limited understanding of this, Apple and Google are creating an
> API which will be part of the OS. And then it's up to developers to
> create apps and convince users to download them (Apple gets their 30%
> off the top, no?). So at best we have reporting from the set of users
> who have decided to opt in, download an app, and accept the app's
> permissions.


Here are some additional details. Seems like a good thing they are doing.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/10/apple-and-google-are-launching-a-joint-covid-19-tracing-tool/

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Of course, a "standard" app will soon become compulsory for tracking
> and permission to be out on the street, as it did in China.
>
> 
https://twitter.com/ashk4n?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248659874679902210


If compulsory, the first thing I'll do is throw my phone away.  The 
second thing I'll do is join the millions in the streets reminder our 
leadership that we don't do things here like they're done in China.

#BillOfRights

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Don't know what "list like that" you are referring to. Currently, Android (and 
maybe iOS, too, I don't know) requires Location as a prerequisite to using 
Bluetooth. My impression is that with the new API, this is not required. So, 
the list for any app is smaller.

I believe currently COVID watch only needs Bluetooth, Location (because of 
Bluetooth), notifications (but I'm hoping that can be made optional) and 
Internet. I haven't looked at the akp, uh, apk uh, whatever it is. 

A concern that I have is that what was open source and peer reviewed is now 
pushed down into the API. And will that API be available on all Android 5.0 up? 
iOS 11 up?

COVID Watch is not stopping to see how this plays out. The team is testing this 
weekend. The same with DP3T. So, maybe we don't need no API improvements. Maybe.

I hope an app by one of the teams concerned about privacy will beat "to market" 
any government app. I would be very upset of Big Brother mandated the use of 
COVID Watch. I knew a fellow who worked hard for liberty in Cuba only to have 
the work stolen by Castro in a power grab. 

Maybe this is where you can contribute, Mark. You can help protect us.

Maybe you can come up with some ways to test apps and APIs.
Maybe you can come up with methods to help with contact tracing that don't rely 
on a long list of permissions.

Of course, the 4Catalyst project is pretty cool, too.

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/10/20 11:56 AM, Mike Doub via use-livecode wrote:
>> Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121
> 
> From my limited understanding of this, Apple and Google are creating an API 
> which will be part of the OS. And then it's up to developers to create apps 
> and convince users to download them (Apple gets their 30% off the top, no?). 
> So at best we have reporting from the set of users who have decided to opt 
> in, download an app, and accept the app's permissions.
> 
> I can just imagine what that permissions list will look like. And if I ever 
> see a list like that on an app I'm about to install, it goes straight in the 
> trash. This sounds like a long shot.
> 
> Of course, a "standard" app will soon become compulsory for tracking and 
> permission to be out on the street, as it did in China.
> 
> https://twitter.com/ashk4n?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248659874679902210
> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 4/10/20 11:56 AM, Mike Doub via use-livecode wrote:

Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121


From my limited understanding of this, Apple and Google are creating an 
API which will be part of the OS. And then it's up to developers to 
create apps and convince users to download them (Apple gets their 30% 
off the top, no?). So at best we have reporting from the set of users 
who have decided to opt in, download an app, and accept the app's 
permissions.


I can just imagine what that permissions list will look like. And if I 
ever see a list like that on an app I'm about to install, it goes 
straight in the trash. This sounds like a long shot.


Of course, a "standard" app will soon become compulsory for tracking and 
permission to be out on the street, as it did in China.


https://twitter.com/ashk4n?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248659874679902210

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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
This is good news. 

I am very proud of folks at the COVID Watch team that have been pushing and 
collaborating for a a better mobile APIs that don't hide BLE capabilities. 

And a shout-out to the individuals and groups who developed DP-3T, which seems 
to be the basis for the Apple/Google APIs.

(Concerns: The PR releases putting governments first does not feel like privacy 
preserving. Also, DP-3T and other groups everywhere were not given even a 
mention. On the technical side, if the full API is used, there is no way to 
facilitate reporting being down with COVID-19. So, my "This is good news." has 
some caveats.)

The API is not ready, yet.  

Onward!

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Mike Doub via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121
> On Apr 10, 2020, 2:41 PM -0400, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> And for those of you who want to volunteer for the COVID Watch team, here is 
>> the volunteer form:
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
>>> app.
>>> co...@4catalyzer.com 
>>> 
>>> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go 
>>> in one's own direction?
>>> 
>>> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
>>> you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> team COVID Watch
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David.
 
 Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode 
 programmers. His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN 
 libraries available within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining a 
 couple channels at COVID Watch Slack.
 
 Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to a 
 wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create test 
 apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps.
 
 COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to 
 convert Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode.
 
 I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I 
 will try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette?
 
 Dar
 team COVID Watch
 
 
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start.
> 
> I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact 
> tracing app would be a great Livecode project.
> 
> This is what I’m thinking:
> 
> • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode 
> experiments not he topic
> • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed
> • We invite a few people
> • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some 
> coding, some writing, some design / cartoons
> • We showcase the results at a wrap up event
> 
> I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / 
> Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty 
> good at organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences 
> and editing together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly 
> Livecode novices but interested to learn. So we could set up the event - 
> most probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi.
> 
> To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest 
> from the community - in the end it should be something that the folks on 
> this list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the 
> party is not empty.
> 
> I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the 
> evening Europe time, after midday US time.
> 
> Any thoughts / takers?
> 
> On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!
>> 
>> There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways.
>> 
>> Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . 
>> These teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is 
>> there with help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see 
>> a list with links on that very 

Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread Mike Doub via use-livecode
Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121
On Apr 10, 2020, 2:41 PM -0400, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> And for those of you who want to volunteer for the COVID Watch team, here is 
> the volunteer form:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform
>  
> 
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
> >
> > Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
> > app.
> > co...@4catalyzer.com 
> >
> > Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go 
> > in one's own direction?
> >
> > Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
> > you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
> >
> > Dar
> > team COVID Watch
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David.
> > >
> > > Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode 
> > > programmers. His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN 
> > > libraries available within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining 
> > > a couple channels at COVID Watch Slack.
> > >
> > > Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to 
> > > a wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create 
> > > test apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps.
> > >
> > > COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to 
> > > convert Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode.
> > >
> > > I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I 
> > > will try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette?
> > >
> > > Dar
> > > team COVID Watch
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start.
> > > >
> > > > I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact 
> > > > tracing app would be a great Livecode project.
> > > >
> > > > This is what I’m thinking:
> > > >
> > > > • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode 
> > > > experiments not he topic
> > > > • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I 
> > > > missed
> > > > • We invite a few people
> > > > • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - 
> > > > some coding, some writing, some design / cartoons
> > > > • We showcase the results at a wrap up event
> > > >
> > > > I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media 
> > > > / Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting 
> > > > pretty good at organising small and larger scale interactive video 
> > > > conferences and editing together the footage for feedback 
> > > > documentation. Mostly Livecode novices but interested to learn. So we 
> > > > could set up the event - most probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi.
> > > >
> > > > To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest 
> > > > from the community - in the end it should be something that the folks 
> > > > on this list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other 
> > > > people the party is not empty.
> > > >
> > > > I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the 
> > > > evening Europe time, after midday US time.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts / takers?
> > > >
> > > > On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> > > > , wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!
> > > > >
> > > > > There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . 
> > > > > These teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is 
> > > > > there with help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can 
> > > > > see a list with links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want 
> > > > > to seek out those whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be 
> > > > > appealing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and 
> > > > > "Eastcoast" PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have 
> > > > > a direction or need you want to focus on, I can try to help.
> > > > >
> > > > > A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by 
> > > > > Carmela Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is 
> > > > > considered to be under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group 
> > > > > includes teams whose methods that 

Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
And for those of you who want to volunteer for the COVID Watch team, here is 
the volunteer form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform
 



> On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
> 
> Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
> app.
> co...@4catalyzer.com 
> 
> Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
> one's own direction?
> 
> Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
> you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little. 
> 
> Dar
> team COVID Watch
> 
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David.
>> 
>> Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode programmers. 
>> His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN libraries available 
>> within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining a couple channels at 
>> COVID Watch Slack.
>> 
>> Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to a 
>> wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create test 
>> apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps. 
>> 
>> COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to convert 
>> Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode.
>> 
>> I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I will 
>> try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette?
>> 
>> Dar
>> team COVID Watch
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start.
>>> 
>>> I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact 
>>> tracing app would be a great Livecode project.
>>> 
>>> This is what I’m thinking:
>>> 
>>> • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode 
>>> experiments not he topic
>>> • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed
>>> • We invite a few people
>>> • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some 
>>> coding, some writing, some design / cartoons
>>> • We showcase the results at a wrap up event
>>> 
>>> I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / 
>>> Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty good 
>>> at organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences and 
>>> editing together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly Livecode 
>>> novices but interested to learn. So we could set up the event - most 
>>> probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi.
>>> 
>>> To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest from 
>>> the community - in the end it should be something that the folks on this 
>>> list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the party 
>>> is not empty.
>>> 
>>> I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the evening 
>>> Europe time, after midday US time.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts / takers?
>>> 
>>> On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>> , wrote:
 
 Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!
 
 There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways.
 
 Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . These 
 teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is there with 
 help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see a list with 
 links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want to seek out those 
 whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be appealing.
 
 Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and "Eastcoast" 
 PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have a direction or 
 need you want to focus on, I can try to help.
 
 A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela 
 Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to be 
 under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose methods 
 that require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has some nice 
 features.
 https://github.com/DP-3T 
 
 Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that 
 explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than 
 what COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the 
 works. You can incorporate this into your current apps or make a new 
 education app. The education app might remind people how they downloaded 
 that app and how to download 

Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.

Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an app.
co...@4catalyzer.com 

Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go in 
one's own direction?

Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if you 
include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little. 

Dar
team COVID Watch


> On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David.
> 
> Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode programmers. 
> His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN libraries available 
> within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining a couple channels at 
> COVID Watch Slack.
> 
> Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to a 
> wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create test 
> apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps. 
> 
> COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to convert 
> Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode.
> 
> I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I will 
> try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette?
> 
> Dar
> team COVID Watch
> 
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start.
>> 
>> I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact tracing 
>> app would be a great Livecode project.
>> 
>> This is what I’m thinking:
>> 
>> • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode experiments 
>> not he topic
>> • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed
>> • We invite a few people
>> • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some 
>> coding, some writing, some design / cartoons
>> • We showcase the results at a wrap up event
>> 
>> I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / 
>> Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty good 
>> at organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences and 
>> editing together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly Livecode 
>> novices but interested to learn. So we could set up the event - most 
>> probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi.
>> 
>> To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest from 
>> the community - in the end it should be something that the folks on this 
>> list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the party 
>> is not empty.
>> 
>> I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the evening 
>> Europe time, after midday US time.
>> 
>> Any thoughts / takers?
>> 
>> On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!
>>> 
>>> There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways.
>>> 
>>> Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . These 
>>> teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is there with 
>>> help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see a list with 
>>> links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want to seek out those 
>>> whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be appealing.
>>> 
>>> Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and "Eastcoast" 
>>> PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have a direction or 
>>> need you want to focus on, I can try to help.
>>> 
>>> A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela 
>>> Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to be 
>>> under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose methods 
>>> that require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has some nice 
>>> features.
>>> https://github.com/DP-3T 
>>> 
>>> Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that 
>>> explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than 
>>> what COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the works. 
>>> You can incorporate this into your current apps or make a new education 
>>> app. The education app might remind people how they downloaded that app and 
>>> how to download the kind of app described in the comic. You can run with 
>>> this on your own.
>>> https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ 
>>> 
>>> Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just a few 
>>> minutes.
>>> 
>>> There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare 
>>> providers to validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need some 
>>> means of making sure there are few false reports. Maybe some sort of 
>>> cryptographic 

Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David.

Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode programmers. His 
initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN libraries available within 
the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining a couple channels at COVID Watch 
Slack.

Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to a wide 
range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create test apps, 
explore ideas and even make "competing" apps. 

COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to convert 
Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode.

I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I will 
try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette?

Dar
team COVID Watch


> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start.
> 
> I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact tracing 
> app would be a great Livecode project.
> 
> This is what I’m thinking:
> 
> • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode experiments 
> not he topic
> • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed
> • We invite a few people
> • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some 
> coding, some writing, some design / cartoons
> • We showcase the results at a wrap up event
> 
> I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / Zoom 
> / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty good at 
> organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences and editing 
> together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly Livecode novices but 
> interested to learn. So we could set up the event - most probably in Zoom - 
> but could be Jitsi.
> 
> To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest from 
> the community - in the end it should be something that the folks on this list 
> would like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the party is not 
> empty.
> 
> I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the evening 
> Europe time, after midday US time.
> 
> Any thoughts / takers?
> 
> On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!
>> 
>> There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways.
>> 
>> Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . These 
>> teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is there with 
>> help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see a list with 
>> links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want to seek out those 
>> whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be appealing.
>> 
>> Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and "Eastcoast" 
>> PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have a direction or need 
>> you want to focus on, I can try to help.
>> 
>> A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela 
>> Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to be 
>> under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose methods 
>> that require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has some nice 
>> features.
>> https://github.com/DP-3T 
>> 
>> Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that 
>> explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than 
>> what COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the works. 
>> You can incorporate this into your current apps or make a new education app. 
>> The education app might remind people how they downloaded that app and how 
>> to download the kind of app described in the comic. You can run with this on 
>> your own.
>> https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ 
>> 
>> Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just a few 
>> minutes.
>> 
>> There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare providers 
>> to validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need some means of making 
>> sure there are few false reports. Maybe some sort of cryptographic signature 
>> or something. While groups are focusing on the user app, the hospital apps 
>> are seeing less work.
>> 
>> And then there are the servers. Maybe Firebase will work but I suspect that 
>> there might have to be more, depending on the team. Server? Look at the 
>> Nicky Case comic.
>> 
>> I have some for a containment game that includes contact tracing. I can give 
>> it to somebody and even (in my copious spare time) provide some handwaving.
>> 
>> One problem is that auntie does not know how to download apps. Encouraging 
>> friends showing friends how to download is a good thing. Rapid adoption will 
>> become 

Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-10 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start.

I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact tracing 
app would be a great Livecode project.

This is what I’m thinking:

• Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode experiments 
not he topic
• We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I missed
• We invite a few people
• We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - some 
coding, some writing, some design / cartoons
• We showcase the results at a wrap up event

I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media / Zoom / 
research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting pretty good at 
organising small and larger scale interactive video conferences and editing 
together the footage for feedback documentation. Mostly Livecode novices but 
interested to learn. So we could set up the event - most probably in Zoom - but 
could be Jitsi.

To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest from the 
community - in the end it should be something that the folks on this list would 
like to take part in, so when we onboard other people the party is not empty.

I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the evening 
Europe time, after midday US time.

Any thoughts / takers?

On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
, wrote:
>
> Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!
>
> There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways.
>
> Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . These 
> teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is there with 
> help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see a list with 
> links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want to seek out those whose 
> location, philosophy or neediness seem to be appealing.
>
> Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and "Eastcoast" 
> PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have a direction or need 
> you want to focus on, I can try to help.
>
> A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela 
> Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to be 
> under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose methods 
> that require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has some nice 
> features.
> https://github.com/DP-3T 
>
> Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that 
> explains contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than what 
> COVID Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the works. You 
> can incorporate this into your current apps or make a new education app. The 
> education app might remind people how they downloaded that app and how to 
> download the kind of app described in the comic. You can run with this on 
> your own.
> https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ 
>
> Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just a few 
> minutes.
>
> There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare providers 
> to validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need some means of making 
> sure there are few false reports. Maybe some sort of cryptographic signature 
> or something. While groups are focusing on the user app, the hospital apps 
> are seeing less work.
>
> And then there are the servers. Maybe Firebase will work but I suspect that 
> there might have to be more, depending on the team. Server? Look at the Nicky 
> Case comic.
>
> I have some for a containment game that includes contact tracing. I can give 
> it to somebody and even (in my copious spare time) provide some handwaving.
>
> One problem is that auntie does not know how to download apps. Encouraging 
> friends showing friends how to download is a good thing. Rapid adoption will 
> become important. And even education about contact tracing in general.
>
> You might be coming up with ideas I didn't even think about.
>
> Contact me if you need any help.
>
> Dar
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Happy to contribute as well.
> >
> > > On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. Anyone 
> > > else?
> > > On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> > > , wrote:
> > > > Hi, everybody!
> > > >
> > > > I apologize for the drive-by email.
> > > >
> > > > And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that.
> > > >
> > > > I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of 
> > > > COVID-19 containment.
> > > >
> > > > There are several teams out there working on voluntary 
> > > > privacy-protecting contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother 
> > > > mandates some central DB app usage. Those include 

Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-09 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode

Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!

There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways. 

Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . These 
teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is there with help 
from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can see a list with links on 
that very simple page. Volunteers might want to seek out those whose location, 
philosophy or neediness seem to be appealing.

Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and "Eastcoast" PACT 
out of MIT.  You can probably find more. If you have a direction or need you 
want to focus on, I can try to help.

A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by Carmela 
Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is considered to be 
under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group includes teams whose methods that 
require trusted servers. DT-3T does not.) This project has some nice features. 
https://github.com/DP-3T 

Artist/explainer Nicky Case has created a comic in a phone format that explains 
contact tracing. The details look a little more like DT-3T than what COVID 
Watch is doing, but one tweaked for COVID Watch is in the works. You can 
incorporate this into your current apps or make a new education app. The 
education app might remind people how they downloaded that app and how to 
download the kind of app described in the comic. You can run with this on your 
own.
https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ 

Everybody should look at that comic anyway. It explains a lot in just a few 
minutes.

There is a need for both phone and desktop apps used by healthcare providers to 
validate "I'm sick" reports. Many organizations need some means of making sure 
there are few false reports. Maybe some sort of cryptographic signature or 
something. While groups are focusing on the user app, the hospital apps are 
seeing less work. 

And then there are the servers. Maybe Firebase will work but I suspect that 
there might have to be more, depending on the team. Server? Look at the Nicky 
Case comic. 

I have some for a containment game that includes contact tracing. I can give it 
to somebody and even (in my copious spare time) provide some handwaving. 

One problem is that auntie does not know how to download apps. Encouraging 
friends showing friends how to download is a good thing. Rapid adoption will 
become important. And even education about contact tracing in general. 

You might be coming up with ideas I didn't even think about.

Contact me if you need any help.

Dar





> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Happy to contribute as well. 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. Anyone 
>> else?
>> On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>>> Hi, everybody!
>>> 
>>> I apologize for the drive-by email.
>>> 
>>> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that.
>>> 
>>> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of COVID-19 
>>> containment.
>>> 
>>> There are several teams out there working on voluntary privacy-protecting 
>>> contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother mandates some central DB 
>>> app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, Private Watch Safe Paths, and 
>>> others. Most have already started and are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe 
>>> Paths has something out. However, there might be some room in creating some 
>>> instant apps in LiveCode or in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams 
>>> are just getting started and need something fast. I think we need some 
>>> education apps done quickly.
>>> 
>>> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development.
>>> 
>>> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team.
>>> 
>>> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving 
>>> contact tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I mentioned.
>>> 
>>> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I said, 
>>> "Drive by email".
>>> 
>>> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!"
>>> 
>>> Dar Scott
>>> 
>>> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19..
>>> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-09 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Happy to contribute as well. 

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. Anyone 
> else?
> On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Hi, everybody!
>> 
>> I apologize for the drive-by email.
>> 
>> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that.
>> 
>> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of COVID-19 
>> containment.
>> 
>> There are several teams out there working on voluntary privacy-protecting 
>> contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother mandates some central DB 
>> app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, Private Watch Safe Paths, and 
>> others. Most have already started and are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe 
>> Paths has something out. However, there might be some room in creating some 
>> instant apps in LiveCode or in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams 
>> are just getting started and need something fast. I think we need some 
>> education apps done quickly.
>> 
>> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development.
>> 
>> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team.
>> 
>> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving 
>> contact tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I mentioned.
>> 
>> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I said, 
>> "Drive by email".
>> 
>> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!"
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19..
>> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-08 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
:)

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 8:17 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. Anyone 
> else?
> On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Hi, everybody!
>> 
>> I apologize for the drive-by email.
>> 
>> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that.
>> 
>> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of COVID-19 
>> containment.
>> 
>> There are several teams out there working on voluntary privacy-protecting 
>> contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother mandates some central DB 
>> app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, Private Watch Safe Paths, and 
>> others. Most have already started and are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe 
>> Paths has something out. However, there might be some room in creating some 
>> instant apps in LiveCode or in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams 
>> are just getting started and need something fast. I think we need some 
>> education apps done quickly.
>> 
>> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development.
>> 
>> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team.
>> 
>> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving 
>> contact tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I mentioned.
>> 
>> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I said, 
>> "Drive by email".
>> 
>> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!"
>> 
>> Dar Scott
>> 
>> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19..
>> 
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-08 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
I’d be interested in volunteering to make a Livecode app for this. Anyone else?
On 7 Apr 2020, 00:41 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Hi, everybody!
>
> I apologize for the drive-by email.
>
> And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that.
>
> I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of COVID-19 
> containment.
>
> There are several teams out there working on voluntary privacy-protecting 
> contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother mandates some central DB 
> app usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, Private Watch Safe Paths, and 
> others. Most have already started and are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe 
> Paths has something out. However, there might be some room in creating some 
> instant apps in LiveCode or in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams are 
> just getting started and need something fast. I think we need some education 
> apps done quickly.
>
> Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development.
>
> For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team.
>
> If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving contact 
> tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I mentioned.
>
> I might be rehashing what has already been discussed. Sorry. Like I said, 
> "Drive by email".
>
> And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!"
>
> Dar Scott
>
> I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19..
>
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Apps to fight COVID-19

2020-04-06 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Hi, everybody!

I apologize for the drive-by email. 

And I miss everybody on the list. Been busy all that.

I am a strong believer in contact tracing as an implortant part of COVID-19 
containment.

There are several teams out there working on voluntary privacy-protecting 
contact tracing apps to deploy before Big Brother mandates some central DB app 
usage. Those include COVID Watch, CoEpi, Private Watch Safe Paths, and others. 
Most have already started and are using swift and kotlin. Only Safe Paths has 
something out. However, there might be some room in creating some instant apps 
in LiveCode or in supporting in other ways. Also, some teams are just getting 
started and need something fast. I think we need some education apps done 
quickly.

Also, 4Catalyzer is making a home test and needs some app development.

For myself, I am on on the COVID Watch team.

If you want to do something, take a look around at privacy preserving contact 
tracing projects. And also look specifically I the ones I mentioned. 

I might be rehashing what has already been discussed.  Sorry. Like I said, 
"Drive by email".

And remember what the Beatles said, "You wanna wash your ha-a-ands!"

Dar Scott

I am using Private Watch: Safe Paths on my iPhone to fight COVID-19..

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