Re: Mora Catalina permissions woes....

2020-06-30 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
to distribute your app will be what LC does. i.e. sign the .app, create a dmg and sign, notarize and staple the dmg. No installers are needed. Kind regards, Panos -- On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 22:34, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > List Folks: A

Mora Catalina permissions woes....

2020-06-29 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
List Folks: A head up of a Catalina issue: If your code signed Standalone is trying to access stacks that are OUTSIDE the app bundle under Catalina, sometimes Catalina will not properly detect your apps need for access. You will not get an "App wants access to blah blah: Allow or

Re: Catalina Entitlements or Permissions (was Possible Catalina problem)

2020-06-18 Thread Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode
> http://newosxbook.com/ent.jl > > Now, if only I could figure out from the database which ones I need to add. Wow, that is an AWESOME tool! I hate that Apple won't pull a single engineer off a project to write some documentation. A similar solution I use is to make-up for Apple’s confusing

Re: Catalina Entitlements or Permissions (was Possible Catalina problem)

2020-06-17 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Arghh! So I am Googling and Googling and hunting around the Apple Developer site to try to find a comprehensive list of macOS entitlements so I can code sign my app with the the entitlements my app needs to not generate errors under Catalina. I want to execute: codesign --verbose --deep

Re: Catalina Entitlements or Permissions (was Possible Catalina problem)

2020-06-16 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
udio-input com.apple.security.device.camera I need to figure out the ones for email access, finder integration (drag/drop), internet access, and disk access. We've seen Catalina ask the user for: 1. HyperRESEARCH requests access to the Internet (if Apple Firewall is turned on). -

Re: Catalina Entitlements or Permissions (was Possible Catalina problem)

2020-06-15 Thread Mark Talluto via use-livecode
egards, Mark Talluto livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/> nursenotes.net <http://nursenotes.net/> canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/> > On Jun 15, 2020, at 4:55 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > We're having some macOS Catalina permissi

Re: Catalina Entitlements or Permissions (was Possible Catalina problem)

2020-06-15 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
regards, Panos -- On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 14:56, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > We're having some macOS Catalina permissions/entitlements issues > > We have applications that we deliver for Catalina where the application > (LiveCode standalo

Catalina Entitlements or Permissions (was Possible Catalina problem)

2020-06-15 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
We're having some macOS Catalina permissions/entitlements issues We have applications that we deliver for Catalina where the application (LiveCode standalone) is code-signed. It is then packaged in an installers (LiveCode standalone) and the installer is code signed. That is then placed

Re: Possible Catalina problem...

2020-06-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
em. Researchware makes two applications, HyperRESEARCH and HyperTRANSCRIBE. We have new forthcoming versions of both built on LiveCode 9.5.1. These two applications are code signed and the DMG is code signed, notarized, and stapled for Catalina. They both work fine on testing on macOS rangin

Re: Possible Catalina problem...

2020-06-08 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 6/8/20 7:55 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: Our hope is that this is a problem SPECIFIC to our single Catalina mac and not a LC Engine or tsNet Catalina specific bug of some sort. To know that some one else has run multiple LC 9 standalones at the same time on Catalina and seen

Re: Possible Catalina problem...

2020-06-08 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Torsten, Thank you. That is encouraging. I may take you up on your offer later to run a test on your Catalina Mac. -- Paul On 6/8/2020 11:10 AM, Torsten Holmer via use-livecode wrote: Hi Paul, I have started three LiveCode standalones on Catalina with no problems. But they are just

Re: Possible Catalina problem...

2020-06-08 Thread Torsten Holmer via use-livecode
Hi Paul, I have started three LiveCode standalones on Catalina with no problems. But they are just standalones created frome the IDE with no signing etc. If you like, I can test your apps on my MacBook with Catalina in order to check if the problems are replicable. CU, Torsten >

Possible Catalina problem...

2020-06-08 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
We have run into a possible problem. Researchware makes two applications, HyperRESEARCH and HyperTRANSCRIBE. We have new forthcoming versions of both built on LiveCode 9.5.1. These two applications are code signed and the DMG is code signed, notarized, and stapled for Catalina. They both work

Catalina and Apple mail

2020-05-17 Thread Neville Smythe via use-livecode
Graham: before updating to Catalina definitely make a back of everything. When I updated I lost 35000 emails. Not just that they weren't loaded by Mail, they were actually deleted from the computer. That said, that was some months ago, and Catalina has since solved that problem - reportedly; I

Re: Terminal command for fixing Icon images not displaying properly in Mac OS X catalina

2020-03-25 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
gt; > replaces the ColorSync Profile to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 > > > > > - > Matthias Rebbe > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > >> Am 25.03.2020 um 20:38 schrieb Martin Koob via use-livecode >> : >> >> Hi. >> >> I saw a discussion earli

Re: Terminal command for fixing Icon images not displaying properly in Mac OS X catalina

2020-03-25 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
- Matthias Rebbe Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > Am 25.03.2020 um 20:38 schrieb Martin Koob via use-livecode > : > > Hi. > > I saw a discussion earlier on this list or the forums about an issue I was > having with Catalina. > > Icons that appeared fine on earli

Terminal command for fixing Icon images not displaying properly in Mac OS X catalina

2020-03-25 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
Hi. I saw a discussion earlier on this list or the forums about an issue I was having with Catalina. Icons that appeared fine on earlier versions of Mac OS X now appeared black on Catalina. The solution posted was a simple terminal command that would strip the “something” from the image

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-13 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
> ... it is always a good idea when developing for public consumption to > develop for the (reasonably) lowest common denominator. This works with the public. Not so much with a massive set of corporate enterprises where IT departments (all of them) will choose to test and roll out

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-13 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Just to diverge a bit (as I am wont to do), when new browsers and features began to be prolific, a lot of web devs would initially develop sites using the new features. What resulted however is that they excluded vast numbers of visitors who could not view their web sites, or had reduced

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-13 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
ation, as this has been a source of confusion for a long > time. > > The current LC 9.x versions do support MacOS Catalina. Also, with the > latest LiveCode versions (9.5.1 and 9.6 DP-2 - and possibly earlier > versions too) you can still deploy apps for iOS 13.x - and these apps will

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-13 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hello all, Just a clarification, as this has been a source of confusion for a long time. The current LC 9.x versions do support MacOS Catalina. Also, with the latest LiveCode versions (9.5.1 and 9.6 DP-2 - and possibly earlier versions too) you can still deploy apps for iOS 13.x - and these apps

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sean Cole wrote: > I've added updates to this bug relating to the script editor issues > and crashes > > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22389 Thank you, Sean. I'm signed onto the report, and will add any notes I can if I see this on my Mac. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 3/12/20 9:12 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: I was able to reproduce the issue (continually) so I did another screen recording. It's either the auto-type suggestion thing or it's the error bullet it puts on the numbers (which would then tie up with the breakpoint and other SE

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
I was able to reproduce the issue (continually) so I did another screen recording. It's either the auto-type suggestion thing or it's the error bullet it puts on the numbers (which would then tie up with the breakpoint and other SE errors). Interesting! Sean On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 03:47, Sean

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
I've added updates to this bug relating to the script editor issues and crashes https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22389 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
they really had to scramble, but they knew how important it was. Apparently Apple doesn't give much advance notice to third-party IDE developers. If you're working in Xcode these changes are less intrusive. I haven't yet installed Catalina, but I submitted an app to the App Store last week

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
The clue is in the subject heading, Jacque. At least, I thought it was plain enough. The script editor and HTML issues I mentioned were just ‘mind wind’ in the process of bemoaning the speed of uptake to current OS and Xcode support. Here’s the big issue. Essential updates that all users are

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
This one was okay. :) You sound a little more relaxed. I frequently have the same frustrations as you do, but knowing a little about the team helps moderate my posts. I think this long thread could have been shorter if you had just said what roadblocks in particular are preventing you from

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Pi Digital wrote: > I had posted this originally to the dev-livecode list but I thought > (accurately) I wouldn’t get a reponse from that. Yep, the dev list has been more or less retired since LC went open source. I'm not sure why it's still even up, except that a few people wanted it when

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
No offence taken at all, Matthias. I felt you hit ‘the nail’ on the head, not me. ;) I do regret bringing up my last ‘incident’ at all. It’s a bit of a splinter that just won’t go away for me and hard not to be reminded of far to often when I face the near same issues of failure I did back

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Hi all Thank you for all your kind words. Sorry, you said ‘no’ sarcasm. Oops. My bad. I had posted this originally to the dev-livecode list but I thought (accurately) I wouldn’t get a reponse from that. I’m sooo sorry (oops, I did it again) that this is viewed potentially by newbies. Although

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Not just dropped APIs. It starts already with Apple deciding if the functionality of an iOS App is worth to be approved for the Appstore or not. I had created 3 apps for a customer which were not accepted by Apple by the "lack" of functionality. At least that was the reason they told us,

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
> Am 13.03.2020 um 00:09 schrieb hh via use-livecode > : > >> Matthias wrote: >> I did NOT refer to any personal problems. So please do not impute >> such an intention to me. > > Sorry Matthias, I obviously misinterpreted "your problems last year". > Hopefully Sean Cole didn't also

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I hesitate to opine, but there's so much here. I think anytime a product is dependent on a Google API, long term support is uncertain. For example, recently Google dropped support for Google Docs. The copier companies have written plugins to their copiers SPECIFICALLY to work with Google Docs.

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Matthias wrote: > I did NOT refer to any personal problems. So please do not impute > such an intention to me. Sorry Matthias, I obviously misinterpreted "your problems last year". Hopefully Sean Cole didn't also misinterpret this. ___ use-livecode

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
> Am 12.03.2020 um 23:15 schrieb hh via use-livecode > : > > > What I woud like to see is that Sean Cole(pi digital) can write here his > opinion without being attacked just for writing that: No content-based > attack, but using the most nasty kind of attack, using (supposed) personal >

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Richard G. wrote at Mike K.: > The rest of us are having conversations with none other than the lead > engineer, right here on this list this morning. Yes the CTO was in the last two weeks probably more often here than in the last two years before that two weeks. But he's now more often

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
it really has been, by multiple people, over multiple years. i'm not going to repeat myself, or them. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Mike Kerner wrote: > there is a difference between complaining and flameing > badgering over the status of qr's shouldn't be necessary. badgering > over comms shouldn't be necessary. Agreed, but there have been two posts with abstractions about "communications" and neither has expressed what

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
i'm kind-of annoyed. i have spent enough of my company's funds and my personal time doing lc sessions for beginners. the two years before the lc global sessions, we had a similar level of communication from hq as we do now. there is a difference between complaining and flameing badgering over

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Well said, Jacqueline! Bill William A. Prothero Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 http://earthlearningsolutions.org/ > On Mar 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 3/12/20 12:39 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote: >> The uselist is not a LC-praising list. As long as we have

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 3/12/20 12:39 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote: The uselist is not a LC-praising list. As long as we have the freedom of speech everybody can say whether he is contented with LC or not. And nothing written does change anything*with LC*, also not your positive-only (and excellent) posts ...

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
As to my contentedness with LC, let me say that without LC, my options would be Javascript, Python or a host of other script based languages, or else some variant of C. That is to say I would be out of options because I simply am too lazy and otherwise occupied with my real job to justify the

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
LC = Less Cheese ;-) Rick > On Mar 12, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > It went on for so many days Heather eventually stepped in and kindly asked us > to please stop the cheese conversation so those interested in LiveCode could > have more LC and less cheese

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
hh wrote: >> Bob S. wrote: >> I was not aware we had such freedoms on this list! For instance, if I >> begin to speak of fermented dairy products, I will certainly be >> censured! >> And well I should be!!! > > I wonder why you want to speak of fermented dairy products in order to > express

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Bob Sneidar wrote: > I was not aware we had such freedoms on this list! For instance, if I > begin to speak of fermented dairy products, I will certainly be > censured! And well I should be!!! > > Also, and seriously, Freedom of Speech is something that is unique to > a handful of cultures. It

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread hh via use-livecode
> > hh wrote: > > The uselist is not a LC-praising list. As long as we have the freedom of > > speech everybody can say whether he is contented with LC or not. > > Bob S. wrote: > I was not aware we had such freedoms on this list! For instance, if I begin > to speak of fermented dairy products, I

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I was not aware we had such freedoms on this list! For instance, if I begin to speak of fermented dairy products, I will certainly be censured! And well I should be!!! Also, and seriously, Freedom of Speech is something that is unique to a handful of cultures. It is by no means global. Bob

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
+10 > On Mar 12, 2020, at 09:41 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode > wrote: > > Posting here about a real problem/bug makes sense, because others might jump > in and confirm the same experience or might help to solve the problem > As always, a good recipe, if possible, makes it even easier to

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread hh via use-livecode
> > hh wrote: > > Some people are very angry about deficiencies of LC, what I can understand > > from > > their view, and *we should hear what they have to say*. > > Matthias wrote: > Why. Posting here won´t change anything. The uselist is not a LC-praising list. As long as we have the freedom

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
> Am 12.03.2020 um 17:08 schrieb hh via use-livecode > : > > Some people are very angry about deficiencies of LC, what I can understand > from > their view, and *we should hear what they have to say*. > Why. Posting here won´t change anything. > Especially when they get angry about the

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread hh via use-livecode
Some people are very angry about deficiencies of LC, what I can understand from their view, and *we should hear what they have to say*. Especially when they get angry about the whitewashing of bugs by some list members. What's wrong that's wrong, no matter who tries to whitewash bugs or even

Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-12 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
> Am 12.03.2020 um 01:08 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode > : > > Tired and ill. My business is constantly lagging behind my competitors > because we're always on the backfoot waiting for LC to frikin' work! I'm > going to end up losing all my new customers again since the last LC epic >

LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

2020-03-11 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
With the release of early GM versions of these from Apple 6mths ago and dev releases since 9 mths ago, Why do I STILL have them uninstalled on my machines because I have been waiting for LC to catch up?? This is making my nethers ache now. Panos merged it WAY BACK in Jan 14th. ??? C'mon!

Catalina mail recovery stack

2019-11-15 Thread Neville via use-livecode
After installing Catalina macOS I (along with lots of other people) lost a whole swag of mail; the problem seems to occur after moving a message between mailboxes, possibly before Mail had finished updating itself, but may have other triggers. Many messages simply went totally missing, and lots

Catalina & Mojave "Allow/Deny" dialogs

2019-11-05 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
ot; and "Don't Allow" buttons. Two of these make perfect sense. 1) Is access to the Internet, which appears to appear if and only if the Firewall is truned on (default in Mojave is off and in Catalina is on). Our app access a server file to see if there is a new version of itsel

Catalina and Livecode

2019-10-21 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
First I want to give my appreciation for the hard work at HQ keeping up with Apple. In fact Mark W. maybe ahead of the game! As mentioned, I had to upgrade (against my better wishes) to Catalina, because Adobe was giving us trouble on Mojave. Surprising Livecode is working! and every

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit—USB broken

2019-10-16 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
No, I haven't tried QUEMU. However, I downloaded a new xCode and, when I ran it the first time, my little board started working and showed up as a virtual serial port and as a disk drive. The good news is that it works. Perhaps xCode swapped out something, maybe drivers. The bad news is

Re: Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit—USB broken

2019-10-16 Thread hh via use-livecode
@Dar. Did you already try to use QUEMU? https://www.qemu.org ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit—USB broken

2019-10-16 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
is not a solution.) I like working with USB gadgets on the Mac, but if "Works with Catalina" has to become a de facto standard for USB, then Apple is going to lose a market. A virtual Windows machine is of no help here. Oh, and I said AdaFruit has a fix for Feather boards. It doesn't w

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

2019-10-16 Thread Eller, Roger via use-livecode
LiveCode Cc: Bob Sneidar Subject: Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I need to look into this again. I made one Hackintosh

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

2019-10-15 Thread Jjs via use-livecode
Tonymacx86.com Bob Sneidar via use-livecode schreef op 15 oktober 2019 16:45:27 CEST: >I need to look into this again. I made one Hackintosh with an eye to >play video games but could never get the graphics card to work. That >was a long time ago. If you have any links for making this happen I

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

2019-10-15 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I need to look into this again. I made one Hackintosh with an eye to play video games but could never get the graphics card to work. That was a long time ago. If you have any links for making this happen I would be very interested. Thanks. Bob S > On Oct 14, 2019, at 13:10 , Erik Beugelaar

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

2019-10-14 Thread Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode
/bt cards, sound cards etc.) which were not supported by Apple anymore. > > On 14/10/2019, 21:58, "use-livecode on behalf of Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode" wrote: > > Catalina does not recognize the bootloader for atmega32u4 Arduino board

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

2019-10-14 Thread JJS via use-livecode
ecode" wrote: Catalina does not recognize the bootloader for atmega32u4 Arduino boards such as Leonardo. The IDE 1.8.10 avr toolchain works (64-bit); this is not related to 32-bit. Catalina does not recognize the AdaFruit Feather ...BOOT drives. Actually this started with mac

Re: Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

2019-10-14 Thread Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode
.) which were not supported by Apple anymore. On 14/10/2019, 21:58, "use-livecode on behalf of Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode" wrote: Catalina does not recognize the bootloader for atmega32u4 Arduino boards such as Leonardo. The IDE 1.8.10 avr toolchain wor

Catalina and stuff other than 32bit

2019-10-14 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Catalina does not recognize the bootloader for atmega32u4 Arduino boards such as Leonardo. The IDE 1.8.10 avr toolchain works (64-bit); this is not related to 32-bit. Catalina does not recognize the AdaFruit Feather ...BOOT drives. Actually this started with macOS 10.14.4. According to Dan

Re: Catalina

2019-10-10 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
-bit macOS app and turn it into a 64-bit app suitable for delivering to customers in the interim. But I gave solutions only for a sophisticated user to run 32-bit applications from Catalina (or so) desktop. My immediate thoughts: Bundles might make a conversion for the macOS easier. Dependent

Re: Catalina

2019-10-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
macOS app and turn it into a 64-bit app suitable for delivering to customers in the interim. But I gave solutions only for a sophisticated user to run 32-bit applications from Catalina (or so) desktop. My immediate thoughts: Bundles might make a conversion for the macOS easier. Dependent 32-bit

Re: Catalina

2019-10-10 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
rn it into a 64-bit app >> suitable for delivering to customers in the interim. But I gave solutions >> only for a sophisticated user to run 32-bit applications from Catalina (or >> so) desktop. >> >> My immediate thoughts: Bundles might make a conversion for t

Re: Catalina

2019-10-10 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
for delivering to customers in the interim. But I gave solutions only for a sophisticated user to run 32-bit applications from Catalina (or so) desktop. My immediate thoughts: Bundles might make a conversion for the macOS easier. Dependent 32-bit dynamic libraries would have to be moved

Re: Catalina

2019-10-10 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
Being a mad scientist causes my mind to wander. I implied some sort of application that would take a 32-bit macOS app and turn it into a 64-bit app suitable for delivering to customers in the interim. But I gave solutions only for a sophisticated user to run 32-bit applications from Catalina

Re: Catalina

2019-10-10 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
machine that can run your > app, you can set things up so that you can double-click on your desktop and > run a 32-bit app. > > Real > > Another method is to set up little "servers" you can remote into. For > example, instead of upgrading to Catalina on

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
" you can remote into. For example, instead of upgrading to Catalina on your old Mac Mini, get a new Mac Mini with Catalina and remote desktop into the old Mac Mini. Or have a Mac that is running several virtual machines you can remote into (use memory ballooning to share it well). The Appl

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 10/9/19 2:03 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote: I just use macWrap32. Oh. Wait. There isn't one. :) Write one for us. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 10/9/19 11:46 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: On 10/9/2019 12:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: It may be too late for you, but last week I got an email from the company that makes my accounting software warning customers not to upgrade to Catalina. They said they've

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
I just use macWrap32. Oh. Wait. There isn't one. > On Oct 9, 2019, at 12:17 PM, kee nethery via use-livecode > wrote: > > I’m not so concerned with the latest version of Catalina as I am with some of > the software I use ceasing to function. Want to make sure I either updat

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread kee nethery via use-livecode
I’m not so concerned with the latest version of Catalina as I am with some of the software I use ceasing to function. Want to make sure I either update everything to 64bit, find a replacement, or convert documents into a format that will work with the 64bit apps that I do have. Kee > On Oc

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread JJS via use-livecode
I just got an email from Arturia a french based company that makes software and nowadays hardware synthesizers too, warning customers not to update to Catalina, until there is a hotfix. Many plugins producers use in music DAW's are still 32-bits and will not work. What a great move from Apple

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
As far as I know, Catalina "exists" inside its "own protected space", which means that it is like that awful conversation you have with your embarrassing relative who is banged up in one of those American prisons we see in Movies with a thickened plate-glass window a

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Not for me: as a person who is normally an early adopter, I'm breaking my own rule and keeping well clear of Catalina. I have always been ambivalent about upgrading as the benefits have almost always been balanced by downsides [ https://www.downside.co.uk/ ] and, as I still use a BBC Model

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Bob S. wrote: > Can I just point out, to no one in particular on this list, that > you don't HAVE TO UPGRADE TO CATALINA??? Apple did not cause your > version of LC to become obsolete. YOU DID! > > Matthias R. wrote: > Thanks Bot, i thought the same, but did not dare to

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
On 10/9/2019 12:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: It may be too late for you, but last week I got an email from the company that makes my accounting software warning customers not to upgrade to Catalina. They said they've been working on the transition for a year and thought they'd

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
On 10/9/2019 12:02 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: It's a good point. If any commercial developers using LC (or ANY dev environment) are going to have issues with Catalina, it might be a good idea to mail blast them and warn them if your app is not going to be compatible, and even

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
not to upgrade to > Catalina. They said they've been working on the transition for a year and > thought they'd finish in time but it didn't work out. They were quite > up-front about it, said they were working hard and would let us know when it > was ready. > > That seemed thoughtf

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
It may be too late for you, but last week I got an email from the company that makes my accounting software warning customers not to upgrade to Catalina. They said they've been working on the transition for a year and thought they'd finish in time but it didn't work out. They were quite up

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
It's a good point. If any commercial developers using LC (or ANY dev environment) are going to have issues with Catalina, it might be a good idea to mail blast them and warn them if your app is not going to be compatible, and even provide a general time frame for when they will be. Also, I

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
an I just point out, to no one in particular on this list, that you don't > HAVE TO UPGRADE TO CATALINA??? Apple did not cause your version of LC to > become obsolete. YOU DID! > Thanks Bot, i thought the same, but did not dare to write it. >> On Oct 8, 2019, at 18:52 , hh via use-live

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
it a year or two ago, how many more bugs would we have found that have since been fixed! That's what Catalina represents to us. I realize that many many Apple customers will be delighted with Catalina and I am happy for them. I just wish that Apple cared a bit more about not breaking what came

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
CCC full backup or a > Time Machine backup prior to the upgrade... well... there's that. > > Bob S > > > > On Oct 9, 2019, at 08:16 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > > wrote: > > > > Can I just point out, to no one in particular on this list, that you don't &g

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
st, that you don't > HAVE TO UPGRADE TO CATALINA??? Apple did not cause your version of LC to > become obsolete. YOU DID! > > That being said, you can probably downgrade, especially if your hardware is > so old that you still have instalation DVDs for it. If not, there are >

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Can I just point out, to no one in particular on this list, that you don't HAVE TO UPGRADE TO CATALINA??? Apple did not cause your version of LC to become obsolete. YOU DID! That being said, you can probably downgrade, especially if your hardware is so old that you still have instalation DVDs

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
ct here just to distract ourselves from Apple's perfidy: The famous Scottish film star David Niven introduced water-skiing to the United States off Catalina island. On 9.10.19 17:17, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: Agree! With all the billions of $$$ Apple has, they certainly could have a

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode
Desktop) if I really need to. Or I can keep an old installation on a separate hard drive and boot from that when needed. Just installed Catalina, so tomorrow I might think totally different ;) :-Håkan On 9 Oct 2019, 16:18 +0200, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode , wrote: > Agree! > >

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
and Raspbian of course). https://macpaw.com/how-to/32-bit-apps-not-working-catalina Sean Cole Pi Digital Prod Ltd > On 9 Oct 2019, at 15:17, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > they make more profits if they don't ___ use-livecode mail

Re: Catalina

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
frustration at Apple's dictatorial development model. On 10/8/2019 9:52 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote: "Catalina is a girl's name of Spanish origin meaning 'pure'". What a beautiful sounding name! But MacOS Catalina is a pure killer. Killed my beloved LC 6/7 (I need for development of Ra

Catalina

2019-10-08 Thread hh via use-livecode
"Catalina is a girl's name of Spanish origin meaning 'pure'". What a beautiful sounding name! But MacOS Catalina is a pure killer. Killed my beloved LC 6/7 (I need for development of Raspi stacks) and sometimes need for speed. I learned LiveCode using LC 6 in 2013. TMHO, LC 6.7.11 wa

Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-12 Thread JB via use-livecode
.7zx, other type) >> and >> then decompressing it on the target machine will allow installation? >> >> Richmond. >> >> On 12.09.19 8:05, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote: >>> That behavior does not sound any different from >>> what we have ex

Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-12 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
On 11 Sep 2019, at 16:21, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote: At one time one could get past OSs, but I don't think it is the case now If a past OS has been downloaded through one's standard Mac/me/iCloud account in the past it can be downloaded and installed again. It can also be

Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

2019-09-12 Thread Phil Jimmieson via use-livecode
avior does not sound any different from >> what we have experienced in older versions of >> macOS such as High Sierra. Perhaps it won’t >> get worse until later versions of Catalina? >> >> Thanks for the test Marty! >> >> Rick >> >>&g

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