Re: Control? Object?

On 20.06.2016 19:58, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2016-06-20 16:38, Richmond wrote: Thank you very much indeed for the comprehensive reply. I shall deal with the children's confusion by using neither 'object' or 'control' and just refer to buttons, fields and so on. I know this is dodging the

Re: Control? Object?

On 2016-06-20 14:48, David Bovill wrote: Great post Mark. I'm going to keep that for my notes! I've too tangentially related questions - mainly with regard to what it is better to do with widgets and with script. You say "the ability to be able to package up a group of controls as a black-box

Re: Control? Object?

On 2016-06-20 16:38, Richmond wrote: Thank you very much indeed for the comprehensive reply. I shall deal with the children's confusion by using neither 'object' or 'control' and just refer to buttons, fields and so on. I know this is dodging the issue; but I can see no other way round it at

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Mark, Thanks for this fantastic explanation of controls and objects and lots more. I’m happy to learn that what I’ve always thought I understood is not far off from reality. :) The definig of audioclips and videoclips as objects, not controls, within the stack tree, cleared up one point of

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Your students might be "the opposite of tech-savvy", but they are neither in the 8-14 age range, nor native Bulgarian speakers (unless there is something you're not telling us about Utah). R. On 20.06.2016 18:33, Devin Asay wrote: Yes, that’s true no doubt. But I think part of the reason it

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Yes, that’s true no doubt. But I think part of the reason it hasn’t been a confusion is because I start out by defining what an “object” is (it could just as well be a doohickey), then asserting that control doohickies are a subset of all doohickies, and then sticking with the same terminology

Re: Control? Object?

Thank you very much indeed for the comprehensive reply. I shall deal with the children's confusion by using neither 'object' or 'control' and just refer to buttons, fields and so on. I know this is dodging the issue; but I can see no other way round it at the moment. Richmond. On

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I would like to think that there is a significant difference, Devin, between your University students and my small children. The children I teach actually believe that 'objects' are things that exist inside a computer, rather than metaphorical abstractions drawn on a screen because we cannot

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Great post Mark. I'm going to keep that for my notes! I've too tangentially related questions - mainly with regard to what it is better to do with widgets and with script. You say "the ability to be able to package up a group of controls as a black-box just like a widget would be entirely

Re: Control? Object?

On 2016-06-19 09:19, Richmond wrote: I am currently teaching some children Livecode programming and ran into some difficulty on Friday when a child asked me why the menus were full of the word "Control" when I had been talking about "Objects". Well? How about changing every use of the word

Re: Control? Object?

On 19/06/2016 15:28, Richmond wrote: So: Should I stop using the word 'Object' for Buttons, Fields and so on while teaching children, and make sure I refer to all of those things as 'Controls'; even if only for the simple reason that the menus keep referring to 'Controls'? All controls are

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This is an interesting discussion, but I’ll admit it has never been a source of confusion for me or my students. I announce on day 1: “Everything in LiveCode is an object.” And then: “Controls are objects that can be placed on cards to create a user interface.” Going forward I usually refer to

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“I object!”, he protested. “Control yourself!”, she replied. Later they agreed, “It was just one of those things.” Jim Lambert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your

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On 19.06.2016 19:56, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: To me the terms "control" and "object" are synonymous. They may be synonymous to you; but all they do is cause confusion in the "tiny minds" of 9 - 14 year old children who haven't heard about Piaget's Formal Operational Stage, nor reached it.

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To me the terms "control" and "object" are synonymous. When someone talks of "controls" I immediately assume they come from a C+ background, whereas if they refer to "objects" I feel more at home. On the other hand, "the number of controls" is standard syntax and "the number of objects" throws an

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Richmond makes excellent points. I am an experienced programmer, but have often scratched my head (as a relative newby) about whether to call a livecode thingy an object, a control, or whatever. For the future of livecode, it is vital that the dictionary, and other documentation and tutorials,

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Or, put it another way: Maybe I'm just grasping for a consistent way to talk about things in Livecode to young children . . .. Richmond. On 19.06.2016 17:47, Richmond wrote: "My goal" is to get young children interested in programming computers, and so that those who have more than a

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"My goal" is to get young children interested in programming computers, and so that those who have more than a passing interest generated by the classes can continue by themselves. There are 3 things that have to be considered in "my goal": 1. Those kids who continue rely fairly heavily on

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If your goal is to teach computer science, you really should stop calling controls objects, but if your goal is to teach LiveCode, perhaps it would be easier for them to use the word object for now. -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the

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So: Should I stop using the word 'Object' for Buttons, Fields and so on while teaching children, and make sure I refer to all of those things as 'Controls'; even if only for the simple reason that the menus keep referring to 'Controls'? Richmond. On 19.06.2016 10:19, Richmond wrote: I am

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Mark Schonewille wrote: In my book, I consistently distinguish objects and controls. This means that I almost always talk about controls and very rarely about objects, because it isn't really necessary to use objects in the LiveCode scripting language Sounds like a good approach, since as you

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Richmond wrote: > So there is no question of 'reserved words'; there is a simple case > of a state of BAD confusion that needs to be sorted out, 2 words > being used for one thing, or, rather one set of things: > > either: > > 1. Dump the word 'object' and only use 'control', or > > 2. Dump the

Re: Control? Object?

Well said, Mark! Best, Jerry On Jun 19, 2016, 7:23 AM -0500, Mark Schonewille, wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > The LiveCode documentation consistently talks about objects, where this > should be controls. The scripting language, however, mixes up the two > concepts

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Hi Richmond, The LiveCode documentation consistently talks about objects, where this should be controls. The scripting language, however, mixes up the two concepts completely. An object is a collection of properties and instructions defined by a programming syntax (where one shouldn't limit

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trols" I doubt the team would think this very important. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 19, 2016 6:44 am Subject: Re: Control? Object? If 'Object' is a

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If 'Object' is a reserved word, then why is the Dictionary "we all know and love" full of 'objects': errorObject focusedObject menuObject objectSelectionEnded objectSelectionStarted selectedObjectChanged selectedObject selectedObjects selObj selObjs ? Looking up 'focusedObject' one can read:

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I have the same issue :) I started a long time ago to name handlers with the concept of "object" rather than "control" - it was more intuitive. The word "object" has associations for the new user which makes it easier to grasp the related concepts of "property" and so forth. Livecode is rooted in

Control? Object?

I am currently teaching some children Livecode programming and ran into some difficulty on Friday when a child asked me why the menus were full of the word "Control" when I had been talking about "Objects". Well? How about changing every use of the word "Control" to "Object"? Enhancement