Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

Today, Thierry allowed me to put the external from his text to speech app into 
Augmented Earth. I was able to put in a paste button above the content field 
and paste text into the app on my iPhone. It worked quite well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thierry Douez wrote:
> 
> > J. Landman Gay
> > :
> > 
> >
> > They can paste text normally if you use a native field. The only
> >> restriction is that LC can't manage the clipboard through script
> >> alone. But if you create a mobile field the OS handles it as
> >> expected.
> >>
> >> In other words, copy and paste is currently limited to manual user
> >> actions.
> >>
>  It would be very nice to be able to get and set the
>  rawClipboardData on mobile but that is only possible on the
>  desktop.
> 
> >
> > On my latest release of sunnYtext2speech, I did add an experimental
> > copy and paste commands.
> >
> > Contact me off-list if any interest.
> 
> Is there anything that might interest the readers here?  What were these 
> experiments?  Were you able to programmatically alter the mobile OS keyboard?
> 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Thierry Douez wrote:

> J. Landman Gay
> ​:
> ​
>
> They can paste text normally if you use a native field. The only
>> restriction is that LC can't manage the clipboard through script
>> alone. But if you create a mobile field the OS handles it as
>> expected.
>>
>> In other words, copy and paste is currently limited to manual user
>> actions.
>>
 It would be very nice to be able to get and set the
 rawClipboardData on mobile but that is only possible on the
 desktop.

>
> On my latest release of sunnYtext2speech, I did add an experimental
> copy and paste commands.
>
> Contact me off-list if any interest.

Is there anything that might interest the readers here?  What were these 
experiments?  Were you able to programmatically alter the mobile OS 
keyboard?


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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Thierry Douez via use-livecode]

J. Landman Gay
​:
​

They can paste text normally if you use a native field. The only
> restriction is that LC can't manage the clipboard through script alone. But
> if you create a mobile field the OS handles it as expected.
>
> In other words, copy and paste is currently limited to manual user actions.
>
>
>
>>> It would be very nice to be able to get and set the rawClipboardData on
>>> mobile but that is only possible on the desktop.
>>>
>>

On my latest release of sunnYtext2speech, I did add an experimental
copy and paste commands.

Contact me off-list if any interest.

Kind regards,

Thierry

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[hh via use-livecode]

> What is "js-package"?  If the "js" isn't JavaScript, what is it?

I used "package" in the sense of npm. Most packages are modules
https://docs.npmjs.com/how-npm-works/packages
And yes, js is short for javascript, the usual file ending.

Using the browser widget enables HTML5 as a superset of javascript
for us. For example HTML5/canvas2d supplies very fast dataURL-methods
that we can use via javascript to access the raw data. This is faster
than working with 'directly' created Uint8ClampedArrays.

Interesting in this context is the original name of js: "LiveScript".

> But if we look at the types of externals most commonly used in LC at
> the  moment, we have tsNet, the MER collection, and others, most of
> which  provide some pretty great functionality but are rarely creating
> GUI  controls.

"Creating GUI controls" is rather seldom. I write more about "using LC as
a GUI" for some 'outsourced' actions, quite different and inherent to most
if not all MER-externals.

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

>From a design perspective, for being able to use paste, speech to text, and 
>emojis, I have Idea that comes from something Richard said.

When a user clicks on a field to edit, that field could appear to start from 
its location and grow to take up most of the screen.

It would actually be a mobile native field that is created on the fly. 

Then the user could use native field capabilities and it would look like it was 
designed that way on purpose.

When they click a 'done' button, it would shrink down to regular size, process 
the contents, and put them into the LC field.

If done right, that could be pretty sharp and would address the issue of fields 
being in scrolling groups - something I don't think we can do with native 
mobile fields.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> hh wrote:
> 
> >> Richard G. wrote:
> >> ... beyond the  performance gains by moving "low level binary data
> >> processing" to javaScript (would be nice if someone has time to
> >> post some apples-to-apples comparisons) ...
> >
> > "Low level binary data processing" means for me for example to invert
> > the color data of an image of medium screen size (say 1920x1080)
> > _without_ using any js-package, only using pure HTML5/javascript.
> 
> What is "js-package"?  If the "js" isn't JavaScript, what is it?
> 
> 
> > Now please define "apples-to-apples comparisons" for that use-case,
> > best with your LC script version (so that we have the fastest possible
> > LC script version), and I'll add my version so that everyone can do
> > his own comparisons.
> >
> > [Use latest LC 8.1.5, the image is a LiveCode object, say image 1]
> > [Simple invert means for me (r,g,b) -> (255-r,255-g,255-b)]
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >-- start timing
> >...
> >-- end timing
> > end mouseUp
> 
> I don't have a collection of image processing scripts handy for such testing, 
> but I've seen some in the forums I may be able to hunt down if they're useful.
> 
> 
> >> Richard G. wrote:
> >> ... what I find most interesting in these  discussions is that most of
> >> the interest expressed thus far has been for  UI elements, something
> >> previously seen as LC's sweet spot.
> >
> > Just the same with most externals ?!
> 
> If we expand the conversation from "externals" to all forms of extensions in 
> general, then certainly LCB-based widgets tend to be GUI controls.
> 
> But if we look at the types of externals most commonly used in LC at the 
> moment, we have tsNet, the MER collection, and others, most of which provide 
> some pretty great functionality but are rarely creating GUI controls.
> 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

hh wrote:

>> Richard G. wrote:
>> ... beyond the  performance gains by moving "low level binary data
>> processing" to javaScript (would be nice if someone has time to
>> post some apples-to-apples comparisons) ...
>
> "Low level binary data processing" means for me for example to invert
> the color data of an image of medium screen size (say 1920x1080)
> _without_ using any js-package, only using pure HTML5/javascript.

What is "js-package"?  If the "js" isn't JavaScript, what is it?


> Now please define "apples-to-apples comparisons" for that use-case,
> best with your LC script version (so that we have the fastest possible
> LC script version), and I'll add my version so that everyone can do
> his own comparisons.
>
> [Use latest LC 8.1.5, the image is a LiveCode object, say image 1]
> [Simple invert means for me (r,g,b) -> (255-r,255-g,255-b)]
>
> on mouseUp
>-- start timing
>...
>-- end timing
> end mouseUp

I don't have a collection of image processing scripts handy for such 
testing, but I've seen some in the forums I may be able to hunt down if 
they're useful.



>> Richard G. wrote:
>> ... what I find most interesting in these  discussions is that most of
>> the interest expressed thus far has been for  UI elements, something
>> previously seen as LC's sweet spot.
>
> Just the same with most externals ?!

If we expand the conversation from "externals" to all forms of 
extensions in general, then certainly LCB-based widgets tend to be GUI 
controls.


But if we look at the types of externals most commonly used in LC at the 
moment, we have tsNet, the MER collection, and others, most of which 
provide some pretty great functionality but are rarely creating GUI 
controls.


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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[hh via use-livecode]

> Richard G. wrote:
> ... beyond the  performance gains by moving "low level binary data
> processing" to javaScript (would be nice if someone has time to
> post some apples-to-apples comparisons) ...

"Low level binary data processing" means for me for example to invert
the color data of an image of medium screen size (say 1920x1080)
_without_ using any js-package, only using pure HTML5/javascript.

Now please define "apples-to-apples comparisons" for that use-case,
best with your LC script version (so that we have the fastest possible
LC script version), and I'll add my version so that everyone can do his
own comparisons.

[Use latest LC 8.1.5, the image is a LiveCode object, say image 1]
[Simple invert means for me (r,g,b) -> (255-r,255-g,255-b)]

on mouseUp
   -- start timing
   ...
   -- end timing
end mouseUp

> Richard G. wrote:
> ... what I find most interesting in these  discussions is that most of
> the interest expressed thus far has been for  UI elements, something
> previously seen as LC's sweet spot.

Just the same with most externals ?!

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

hh wrote:

> LC is a perfect tool, for me also plays the role of a GUI when seeking
> for speed. Javascript/HTML5 does a lot of low level binary data
> processing up to 100 times faster than LC Script (and no js-package
> needed for that).
>
> To use javascript/HTML5 is not "bypassing" the LC language" but
> *extending* the LC language. It is more comparable to using externals.
> Or kind of a FFI, like using java in LC Builder.

A bit more resource-heavy, but apparently acceptable for a wide range of 
apps.


I agree that "extending" is a better choice here, but beyond the 
performance gains by moving "low level binary data processing" to 
JavaScript (would be nice if someone hasd time to post some 
apples-to-apples comparisons), what I find most interesting in these 
discussions is that most of the interest expressed thus far has been for 
UI elements, something previously seen as LC's sweet spot.


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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

Thanks Roger,

With the huge amount of LC/HTML work I have done over the last year, I feel 
comfortable in saying that LC is vastly superior for all of the underlying text 
processing and data manipulation that has to be done.

HTML/JS is all about presentation, but would be hard to use for the back end 
stuff.  

To be honest, I do wish LC had all of the basic modern interface options one 
normally expects for mobile devices, but I realize how expensive it is to make 
those things.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> No judgement here either.  Just an involuntary gag reflex @ the thought of
> my beloved LC being reduced to a l mere code-language traffic light.
> Although I have always appreciated shell and do as applescript to get that
> one little piece of data from the native OS, it's not the way I prefer to
> use LC.  I like to stay in the core language as much as possible.  It is a
> lovely place.
> 
> Jonathan, I meant no offense to you or your approach.  Go forth and augment
> the earth!  :-)
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> On Jun 27, 2017 12:18 AM, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> No judgment from me on this. On the contrary, ..
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
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>> 
>> 
>> jonathandlynch wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not trying to start a fuss - just find solutions for my particular
> problem.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

No judgement here either.  Just an involuntary gag reflex @ the thought of
my beloved LC being reduced to a l mere code-language traffic light.
Although I have always appreciated shell and do as applescript to get that
one little piece of data from the native OS, it's not the way I prefer to
use LC.  I like to stay in the core language as much as possible.  It is a
lovely place.

Jonathan, I meant no offense to you or your approach.  Go forth and augment
the earth!  :-)

~Roger

On Jun 27, 2017 12:18 AM, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> No judgment from me on this. On the contrary, ..
>
> --
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>
>
> jonathandlynch wrote:
>
>> I am not trying to start a fuss - just find solutions for my particular
problem.
>>
>>
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[hh via use-livecode]

LC is a perfect tool, for me also plays the role of a GUI when seeking for
speed. Javascript/HTML5 does a lot of low level binary data processing up to
100 times faster than LC Script (and no js-package needed for that).

To use javascript/HTML5 is not "bypassing" the LC language" but *extending*
the LC language. It is more comparable to using externals. Or kind of a FFI,
like using java in LC Builder.

> Richard G. wrote:
> With all the interest lately in bypassing the LC language to use an 
> embedded browser process, maybe we've found the winning slogan for LC:
> 
> "LiveCode: a great JavaScript packaging tool" :)
> 
> Richard G. wrote:
> No judgment from me on this. On the contrary, most development mixes 
> languages from time to time, and I think it can be instructive to 
> observe where the dividing lines of natural usage are found.
> 
> So I was kidding, of course, in referring to LC as a "JavaScript 
> packaging tool", but maybe only somewhat:
> 
> Where we find ourselves using JavaScript to cover for something that's 
> hard to do in LC -- and vice versa, where we prefer doing something in 
> LiveCode because it's hard to do in JavaScript -- we may learn something 
> about the sweet spot of each.

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

+1, Jonathan use what works for you in your situation - glad you got a solution 
you’re happy with

Dave

> 
> No judgment from me on this. On the contrary, most development mixes 
> languages from time to time, and I think it can be instructive to 
> observe where the dividing lines of natural usage are found. 
> 
> So I was kidding, of course, in referring to LC as a "JavaScript 
> packaging tool", but maybe only somewhat: 
> 
> Where we find ourselves using JavaScript to cover for something that's 
> hard to do in LC -- and vice versa, where we prefer doing something in 
> LiveCode because it's hard to do in JavaScript -- we may learn something 
> about the sweet spot of each. 

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

No judgment from me on this. On the contrary, most development mixes 
languages from time to time, and I think it can be instructive to 
observe where the dividing lines of natural usage are found.


So I was kidding, of course, in referring to LC as a "JavaScript 
packaging tool", but maybe only somewhat:


Where we find ourselves using JavaScript to cover for something that's 
hard to do in LC -- and vice versa, where we prefer doing something in 
LiveCode because it's hard to do in JavaScript -- we may learn something 
about the sweet spot of each.


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jonathandlynch wrote:


I am not trying to start a fuss - just find solutions for my particular problem.

This is what worked for me for this situation.

For situations where LC provides a full solution, it is MUCH faster to code in.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

On Jun 26, 2017 9:36 PM, "Richard Gaskin wrote:

With all the interest lately in bypassing the LC language to use an

embedded browser process, maybe we've found the winning slogan for LC:


"LiveCode: a great JavaScript packaging tool"

:)

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NOT my LiveCode!



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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

I am not trying to start a fuss - just find solutions for my particular problem.

This is what worked for me for this situation.

For situations where LC provides a full solution, it is MUCH faster to code in.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Jun 26, 2017 9:36 PM, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> With all the interest lately in bypassing the LC language to use an
> embedded browser process, maybe we've found the winning slogan for LC:
>> 
>> "LiveCode: a great JavaScript packaging tool"
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
>> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>> 
> 
> -1
> 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

On Jun 26, 2017 9:36 PM, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> With all the interest lately in bypassing the LC language to use an
embedded browser process, maybe we've found the winning slogan for LC:
>
> "LiveCode: a great JavaScript packaging tool"
>
> :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

jonathandlynch wrote:
> I just modified the texting part of Augmented Earth to use a browser
> widget for texting - it was a huge pain. But - now it has inertial
> scrolling, copy and paste, and works fine with all of the emojis.
>
> I might wind up going that route on other text entry stuff. It is
> clean and smooth that way.

With all the interest lately in bypassing the LC language to use an 
embedded browser process, maybe we've found the winning slogan for LC:


"LiveCode: a great JavaScript packaging tool"

:)

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

And the iPhone speech to text works this way too!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:21 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I just modified the texting part of Augmented Earth to use a browser widget 
> for texting - it was a huge pain. But - now it has inertial scrolling, copy 
> and paste, and works fine with all of the emojis.
> 
> I might wind up going that route on other text entry stuff. It is clean and 
> smooth that way.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 3:30 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> For this case, though, it will have to be called up specially, not made to 
>> look like it was already there.
>> 
>> The field in question also allows users to put in images - something I don't 
>> think native fields can do. So the app would have an enter text button that 
>> calls up the native field, where the user can type or paste text that is 
>> then inserted into the LC field.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 3:21 PM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK good, the visible bits of a native field (border, background colour etc) 
>>> could all be provided by background graphics so when you switch fields no 
>>> visible change can be seen - you might even be able to use the 
>>> inputTextChanged message instead of a button which the user has to press
>>> 
>>> BTW you’ll have to delete the native field instead of just hiding it as 
>>> it’ll be in the top layer and could interfere with user interactions…
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi Dave - I think that might help 
 
 I could give the user a button for opening up a pastable field. They could 
 paste into that and LC could process it and put it into the regular field. 
 It's not a bad idea. 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

I just modified the texting part of Augmented Earth to use a browser widget for 
texting - it was a huge pain. But - now it has inertial scrolling, copy and 
paste, and works fine with all of the emojis.

I might wind up going that route on other text entry stuff. It is clean and 
smooth that way.




Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2017, at 3:30 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> For this case, though, it will have to be called up specially, not made to 
> look like it was already there.
> 
> The field in question also allows users to put in images - something I don't 
> think native fields can do. So the app would have an enter text button that 
> calls up the native field, where the user can type or paste text that is then 
> inserted into the LC field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 3:21 PM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK good, the visible bits of a native field (border, background colour etc) 
>> could all be provided by background graphics so when you switch fields no 
>> visible change can be seen - you might even be able to use the 
>> inputTextChanged message instead of a button which the user has to press
>> 
>> BTW you’ll have to delete the native field instead of just hiding it as 
>> it’ll be in the top layer and could interfere with user interactions…
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Dave - I think that might help 
>>> 
>>> I could give the user a button for opening up a pastable field. They could 
>>> paste into that and LC could process it and put it into the regular field. 
>>> It's not a bad idea. 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

For this case, though, it will have to be called up specially, not made to look 
like it was already there.

The field in question also allows users to put in images - something I don't 
think native fields can do. So the app would have an enter text button that 
calls up the native field, where the user can type or paste text that is then 
inserted into the LC field.

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> On Jun 26, 2017, at 3:21 PM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK good, the visible bits of a native field (border, background colour etc) 
> could all be provided by background graphics so when you switch fields no 
> visible change can be seen - you might even be able to use the 
> inputTextChanged message instead of a button which the user has to press
> 
> BTW you’ll have to delete the native field instead of just hiding it as it’ll 
> be in the top layer and could interfere with user interactions…
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> Hi Dave - I think that might help 
>> 
>> I could give the user a button for opening up a pastable field. They could 
>> paste into that and LC could process it and put it into the regular field. 
>> It's not a bad idea. 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

OK good, the visible bits of a native field (border, background colour etc) 
could all be provided by background graphics so when you switch fields no 
visible change can be seen - you might even be able to use the inputTextChanged 
message instead of a button which the user has to press

BTW you’ll have to delete the native field instead of just hiding it as it’ll 
be in the top layer and could interfere with user interactions…

Dave


> Hi Dave - I think that might help 
> 
> I could give the user a button for opening up a pastable field. They could 
> paste into that and LC could process it and put it into the regular field. 
> It's not a bad idea. 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

Hi Dave - I think that might help

I could give the user a button for opening up a pastable field. They could 
paste into that and LC could process it and put it into the regular field. It's 
not a bad idea.




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> On Jun 26, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode 
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> 
> Jonathan if you use a native field you can access it’s contents (which a user 
> could have pasted into it) via something like the inputEndEditing message, 
> and from there hide/delete the native field, reveal a LiveCode field, place 
> the relevant data into it etc etc - would this help your situation?
> 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Jonathan if you use a native field you can access it’s contents (which a user 
could have pasted into it) via something like the inputEndEditing message, and 
from there hide/delete the native field, reveal a LiveCode field, place the 
relevant data into it etc etc - would this help your situation?

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

Thanks Richard,

This conversation has made me realize I am about to have a yak shaving
moment...

The most important field for submitting a report in Augmented Earth is the
Content field. Because it is an LC field, I use it to allow the user to
enter text, format the text, and upload images. The images are a single
character with the image source set to an image, which is stored in a
hidden group.

It works quite well. The fields and images are combined to produce HTML
text. When a user reads a report, the various data and images are
downloaded and stored in their appropriate place. What they view is the
HTML that is auto generated from those fields and images and presented
through a widget.

I don't think a native field will allow me to insert images in the field in
the same way. And, of course, the content field is the place where a user
would most need to paste in text.

So, I could use native fields for entering text, but not with images
inserted in the text. Or, I can use an LC field for doing both, but then we
cannot paste.

Assuming I am able to submit the app to the App Store as it is, it seems
like I am going to have to come up with a way to paste text into an LC
field on a mobile device for version 1.1

That sounds very difficult. Would LC Builder allow me to do this? I am
pretty sure I could make an external in iOS that allows this - I have
written an iOS external in the past - but it was a big pain and LC Builder
seems like the way to do things like this in the future.

work, work, work

I appreciate your suggestion though. As long as I can generate native
fields inside of a group so they can be scrolled, I will explore that
method for all of the other fields.

J

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> jonathandlynch wrote:
>
> > I really want to have the same forms for every platform, not have to
> > generate 40 different fields on the fly and manage all of that.
>
> You don't need to. Write a loop that instantiates any editable fields for
> you on preOpenCard and LiveCode will do the rest.
>
> I don't know why that sort of auto-instantiation isn't just a property
> setting of fields, but just about every developer I know wrote that loop
> once and never thinks about it again.
>
>
> > I might try converting my forms into HTML forms and using the browser
> > widget. I hate that because I invested so much time into the forms I
> > have created, but not being able to paste text on a tablet kinda
> > stinks.
>
> That seems like a lot more work.
>
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

jonathandlynch wrote:

> I really want to have the same forms for every platform, not have to
> generate 40 different fields on the fly and manage all of that.

You don't need to. Write a loop that instantiates any editable fields 
for you on preOpenCard and LiveCode will do the rest.


I don't know why that sort of auto-instantiation isn't just a property 
setting of fields, but just about every developer I know wrote that loop 
once and never thinks about it again.



> I might try converting my forms into HTML forms and using the browser
> widget. I hate that because I invested so much time into the forms I
> have created, but not being able to paste text on a tablet kinda
> stinks.

That seems like a lot more work.

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

I really want to have the same forms for every platform, not have to generate 
40 different fields on the fly and manage all of that.

I might try converting my forms into HTML forms and using the browser widget. I 
hate that because I invested so much time into the forms I have created, but 
not being able to paste text on a tablet kinda stinks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2017, at 11:46 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> They can paste text normally if you use a native field. The only restriction 
> is that LC can't manage the clipboard through script alone. But if you create 
> a mobile field the OS handles it as expected.
> 
> In other words, copy and paste is currently limited to manual user actions.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On June 25, 2017 11:07:08 AM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was very surprised it wasn't. I plan to submit Augmented Earth to the 
>> apple App Store today. I am going to be embarrassed to tell users they 
>> cannot paste text into their reports on a mobile device.
>> 
>> I think I will try to find a workaround between version 1 and version 1.1
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 10:28 AM, hlowe via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> iOS native text fields (and I presume other native mobile text fields)
>>> support manual copy and paste actions - the user has to manually select the
>>> text and then initiate the action. I don't know of any way to
>>> programatically copy and paste to/from the iOS clipboard nor to access the
>>> data on the clipboard. Perhaps I am missing something?
>>> 
>>> In Objective C this appears to be relatively straight forward:
>>> 
>>> UIPasteboard *pasteboard = [UIPasteboard generalPasteboard];
>>> pasteboard.string = @"some text to be pasted";
>>> 
>>> Is there is a reason why basic mobile clipboard support was never
>>> implemented in LiveCode?
>>> 
>>> It would be very nice to be able to get and set the rawClipboardData on
>>> mobile but that is only possible on the desktop.
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

They can paste text normally if you use a native field. The only 
restriction is that LC can't manage the clipboard through script alone. But 
if you create a mobile field the OS handles it as expected.


In other words, copy and paste is currently limited to manual user actions.

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On June 25, 2017 11:07:08 AM Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode 
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I was very surprised it wasn't. I plan to submit Augmented Earth to the 
apple App Store today. I am going to be embarrassed to tell users they 
cannot paste text into their reports on a mobile device.


I think I will try to find a workaround between version 1 and version 1.1

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2017, at 10:28 AM, hlowe via use-livecode 
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


iOS native text fields (and I presume other native mobile text fields)
support manual copy and paste actions - the user has to manually select the
text and then initiate the action. I don't know of any way to
programatically copy and paste to/from the iOS clipboard nor to access the
data on the clipboard. Perhaps I am missing something?

In Objective C this appears to be relatively straight forward:

UIPasteboard *pasteboard = [UIPasteboard generalPasteboard];
pasteboard.string = @"some text to be pasted";

Is there is a reason why basic mobile clipboard support was never
implemented in LiveCode?

It would be very nice to be able to get and set the rawClipboardData on
mobile but that is only possible on the desktop.

Henry



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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

I was very surprised it wasn't. I plan to submit Augmented Earth to the apple 
App Store today. I am going to be embarrassed to tell users they cannot paste 
text into their reports on a mobile device.

I think I will try to find a workaround between version 1 and version 1.1

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2017, at 10:28 AM, hlowe via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> iOS native text fields (and I presume other native mobile text fields)
> support manual copy and paste actions - the user has to manually select the
> text and then initiate the action. I don't know of any way to
> programatically copy and paste to/from the iOS clipboard nor to access the
> data on the clipboard. Perhaps I am missing something?
> 
> In Objective C this appears to be relatively straight forward:
> 
> UIPasteboard *pasteboard = [UIPasteboard generalPasteboard];
> pasteboard.string = @"some text to be pasted";
> 
> Is there is a reason why basic mobile clipboard support was never
> implemented in LiveCode?
> 
> It would be very nice to be able to get and set the rawClipboardData on
> mobile but that is only possible on the desktop.
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[hlowe via use-livecode]

iOS native text fields (and I presume other native mobile text fields)
support manual copy and paste actions - the user has to manually select the
text and then initiate the action. I don't know of any way to
programatically copy and paste to/from the iOS clipboard nor to access the
data on the clipboard. Perhaps I am missing something?

In Objective C this appears to be relatively straight forward:

UIPasteboard *pasteboard = [UIPasteboard generalPasteboard];
pasteboard.string = @"some text to be pasted";

Is there is a reason why basic mobile clipboard support was never
implemented in LiveCode?

It would be very nice to be able to get and set the rawClipboardData on
mobile but that is only possible on the desktop.

Henry



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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

Does that mean I could put the text to be copied into a native field, then put 
into the clipboard from there?

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:46 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> 
>> On 6/24/17 2:03 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
>> I cannot figure it out from the docs
> 
> The clipboard isn't supported in LC fields on mobile. To get full clipboard 
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On 6/24/17 2:03 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:

I cannot figure it out from the docs


The clipboard isn't supported in LC fields on mobile. To get full 
clipboard support you need to use a native field.


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I cannot figure it out from the docs 

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