Re: IDE breaks down over time
Yes. I had an issue where ANY notification in the built in Notifications process in OS X 10.11 would max one of the cores. It was a known issue. I haven't seen it in 10.12 or 10.13. Bob S > On Dec 1, 2017, at 11:52 , Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: >> You are saying the IDE process is maxing out? There was a known issue with >> notifications doing this in >> MacOS 10.11. Are you creating alerts in your apps? > > > Was this to me? > > I don't create alerts, but there's the occasional dialog box. > > Haven't looked to see which process has gone nuts; it's just that > sometimes things go non responsive and/or > the message box cannot be brought up. I think the rest of the menu is > active but does nothing when this happens, > but it hasn't bitten me enough to make sure. > > > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > You are saying the IDE process is maxing out? There was a known issue with > notifications doing this in > MacOS 10.11. Are you creating alerts in your apps? Was this to me? I don't create alerts, but there's the occasional dialog box. Haven't looked to see which process has gone nuts; it's just that sometimes things go non responsive and/or the message box cannot be brought up. I think the rest of the menu is active but does nothing when this happens, but it hasn't bitten me enough to make sure. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
You are saying the IDE process is maxing out? There was a known issue with notifications doing this in MacOS 10.11. Are you creating alerts in your apps? Bob S > On Dec 1, 2017, at 10:21 , Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode > wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > >> Just got this situation again. The IDE completely unresponsive, all other >> open apps working properly. Top shows LC using 98% of the CPU, and a kill -9 >> got things back to normal. I suppose leaving the IDE open overnight wasn't a >> good idea. > > Overnight doesn't seem to make a difference for me. This seems to > happen suddenly during the day while working. > > I don't use it after overnight; though; I quit to force it to bump the > version of my source stacks. > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: > Just got this situation again. The IDE completely unresponsive, all other > open apps working properly. Top shows LC using 98% of the CPU, and a kill -9 > got things back to normal. I suppose leaving the IDE open overnight wasn't a > good idea. Overnight doesn't seem to make a difference for me. This seems to happen suddenly during the day while working. I don't use it after overnight; though; I quit to force it to bump the version of my source stacks. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
On 11/28/2017 12:19 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: 4) suddenly no longer able to save or open the message box… Just got this situation again. The IDE completely unresponsive, all other open apps working properly. Top shows LC using 98% of the CPU, and a kill -9 got things back to normal. I suppose leaving the IDE open overnight wasn't a good idea. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: Thanks Paul very helpful! Paul Hibbert wrote: It’s here if anybody wants it: http://livecodeshare.runrev.com /stack/813/LC-Menu-Shortcuts - It’s not perfect, but it works if you are careful with the shortcuts that you choose. BEWARE - I've only tested on Mac, so I don’t know how well it will work with Windows/Linux, it may need some tweaking. Paul does good work, and this looks like a very helpful tool. In my case, I have a couple apps I'm working on which have extensive command key shortcuts of their own, so I have few to spare for triggering IDE actions. That was part of the reason I made devolution: when access to the tools you need during development *when you need them*. Spacious buttons toggle IDE tools, but ah, there's so much more... http://fourthworld.com/products/devolution/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
Thanks Paul very helpful! BR It’s here if anybody wants it: http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/813/LC-Menu-Shortcuts - It’s not perfect, but it works if you are careful with the shortcuts that you choose. BEWARE - I've only tested on Mac, so I don’t know how well it will work with Windows/Linux, it may need some tweaking. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
Re PB: > 1. there's no refresh button > 2. it doesn't auto-refresh > 3. it empties its contents at odd moments 4. it screws up it’s own view from time to time making it impossible to see which control is linked which group These are part of the reason I set about making a plugin to add some shortcuts to the IDE menus, now I can just use the shortcut Shift-Cmd-B twice and it will close then re-open the PB. Probably not ideal, but it works for me. It’s here if anybody wants it: http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/813/LC-Menu-Shortcuts - It’s not perfect, but it works if you are careful with the shortcuts that you choose. BEWARE - I've only tested on Mac, so I don’t know how well it will work with Windows/Linux, it may need some tweaking. If any of this is useful for a 'hacking the ide' multi-part project then I would be happy to contribute this to the project. I’m sure it wouldn’t be too difficult to add a menu item and shortcut to the Tools menu just to force the Project Browser to refresh, but I haven’t delved into the PB scripts to see how feasible that would be, or what would be required. I know Mark Waddingham is against using a refresh command/button/menu item/whatever, and I can understand that long term, it would be way better to have the PB behaving correctly all (or at least most) of the time, but in the meantime we still need to work with it, preferably without too much frustration. I did find it frustrating, but now that I can force it to refresh relatively easily and quickly it has become much more useful, to me at least. Paul > On 28 Nov 2017, at 17:47, Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > There are a slew of PB QR's. That was one that I was suggesting we work on > for LCG as a 'hacking the ide' multi-part project. > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> It’s likely you are encountering some execution errors in the IDE scripts. >> Try setting gREVDevelopment to true and see if you get any details to >> report. We know there are a number of issues with the project browser >> keeping track of objects which is why I recently wrote an object repository >> library in LCB. We haven’t had a chance to update the PB to use it yet >> though. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> >>> On 29 Nov 2017, at 7:19 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am building new UI… not a drop of code.. it's all about drawing >> controls, grouping, setting rects and RGB values etc.forground background >> colors, setting alpha etc. >>> >>> after about 30 minutes in 9.0.0-dp-9 the IDE seems to get very >> confused. (OS X) >>> >>> If I work in the project browser, or revApplicationOverview…either >> things start happening like: >>> >>> 1) if in property inspector: clicking on the layer up down… does nothing >> layer is fixed on the current number. >>> 2) I can actually click on the object and "send backward" but in one >> case the object was deleted by this operation. >>> 3) the PI become increasingly non-responsive: click on the cross to edit >> location width height etc… nothing happens, the switch to the panel for >> dimensions and location does happen. >>> 4) then if we relayer some control in the PB, clicking on an object >> selects a different control on the card than the highlighted on the list. >>> 5) close the PB switch to the old AB… and things are now also failing >> here as well. >>> 4) suddenly no longer able to save or open the message box… >>> 5) finally reach a point here closing the PI and then right clickin gto >> open it again the whole property inspector opens, but is completely non >> responsive. 4 >>> >>> It's as if some set of vars that contain pointers to objects lose track >> of what object they are connected to or the selectedObject or target is lost >>> >>> Hopefully I can save, close the stack, reboot. then things get better. >> Sometimes can't save, have to shut down, lose a lot work… well, not any >> more… I save every time I make a minute change now. >>> >>> Is this better in 9- dp 10? or the latest versions of 8.* I switch to 9 >> for the mobile debugging, but am not really using that at the moment. >>> >>> Brahmanathaswami >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the an
Re: IDE breaks down over time
There are a slew of PB QR's. That was one that I was suggesting we work on for LCG as a 'hacking the ide' multi-part project. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > It’s likely you are encountering some execution errors in the IDE scripts. > Try setting gREVDevelopment to true and see if you get any details to > report. We know there are a number of issues with the project browser > keeping track of objects which is why I recently wrote an object repository > library in LCB. We haven’t had a chance to update the PB to use it yet > though. > > Cheers > > Monte > > > On 29 Nov 2017, at 7:19 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I am building new UI… not a drop of code.. it's all about drawing > controls, grouping, setting rects and RGB values etc.forground background > colors, setting alpha etc. > > > > after about 30 minutes in 9.0.0-dp-9 the IDE seems to get very > confused. (OS X) > > > > If I work in the project browser, or revApplicationOverview…either > things start happening like: > > > > 1) if in property inspector: clicking on the layer up down… does nothing > layer is fixed on the current number. > > 2) I can actually click on the object and "send backward" but in one > case the object was deleted by this operation. > > 3) the PI become increasingly non-responsive: click on the cross to edit > location width height etc… nothing happens, the switch to the panel for > dimensions and location does happen. > > 4) then if we relayer some control in the PB, clicking on an object > selects a different control on the card than the highlighted on the list. > > 5) close the PB switch to the old AB… and things are now also failing > here as well. > > 4) suddenly no longer able to save or open the message box… > > 5) finally reach a point here closing the PI and then right clickin gto > open it again the whole property inspector opens, but is completely non > responsive. 4 > > > > It's as if some set of vars that contain pointers to objects lose track > of what object they are connected to or the selectedObject or target is lost > > > > Hopefully I can save, close the stack, reboot. then things get better. > Sometimes can't save, have to shut down, lose a lot work… well, not any > more… I save every time I make a minute change now. > > > > Is this better in 9- dp 10? or the latest versions of 8.* I switch to 9 > for the mobile debugging, but am not really using that at the moment. > > > > Brahmanathaswami > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
It’s likely you are encountering some execution errors in the IDE scripts. Try setting gREVDevelopment to true and see if you get any details to report. We know there are a number of issues with the project browser keeping track of objects which is why I recently wrote an object repository library in LCB. We haven’t had a chance to update the PB to use it yet though. Cheers Monte > On 29 Nov 2017, at 7:19 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode > wrote: > > I am building new UI… not a drop of code.. it's all about drawing controls, > grouping, setting rects and RGB values etc.forground background colors, > setting alpha etc. > > after about 30 minutes in 9.0.0-dp-9 the IDE seems to get very confused. (OS > X) > > If I work in the project browser, or revApplicationOverview…either things > start happening like: > > 1) if in property inspector: clicking on the layer up down… does nothing > layer is fixed on the current number. > 2) I can actually click on the object and "send backward" but in one case the > object was deleted by this operation. > 3) the PI become increasingly non-responsive: click on the cross to edit > location width height etc… nothing happens, the switch to the panel for > dimensions and location does happen. > 4) then if we relayer some control in the PB, clicking on an object selects a > different control on the card than the highlighted on the list. > 5) close the PB switch to the old AB… and things are now also failing here as > well. > 4) suddenly no longer able to save or open the message box… > 5) finally reach a point here closing the PI and then right clickin gto open > it again the whole property inspector opens, but is completely non > responsive. 4 > > It's as if some set of vars that contain pointers to objects lose track of > what object they are connected to or the selectedObject or target is lost > > Hopefully I can save, close the stack, reboot. then things get better. > Sometimes can't save, have to shut down, lose a lot work… well, not any more… > I save every time I make a minute change now. > > Is this better in 9- dp 10? or the latest versions of 8.* I switch to 9 for > the mobile debugging, but am not really using that at the moment. > > Brahmanathaswami > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: IDE breaks down over time
On 11/28/2017 12:19 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: things start happening like: Yep - seen all those. Also, if I have to use the PB (and I'm starting to try to make my peace with it) I end up closing and reopening it a lot because 1. there's no refresh button 2. it doesn't auto-refresh 3. it empties its contents at odd moments I save every time I make a minute change now. Same here. Is this better in 9- dp 10? No :-( -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
IDE breaks down over time
I am building new UI… not a drop of code.. it's all about drawing controls, grouping, setting rects and RGB values etc.forground background colors, setting alpha etc. after about 30 minutes in 9.0.0-dp-9 the IDE seems to get very confused. (OS X) If I work in the project browser, or revApplicationOverview…either things start happening like: 1) if in property inspector: clicking on the layer up down… does nothing layer is fixed on the current number. 2) I can actually click on the object and "send backward" but in one case the object was deleted by this operation. 3) the PI become increasingly non-responsive: click on the cross to edit location width height etc… nothing happens, the switch to the panel for dimensions and location does happen. 4) then if we relayer some control in the PB, clicking on an object selects a different control on the card than the highlighted on the list. 5) close the PB switch to the old AB… and things are now also failing here as well. 4) suddenly no longer able to save or open the message box… 5) finally reach a point here closing the PI and then right clickin gto open it again the whole property inspector opens, but is completely non responsive. 4 It's as if some set of vars that contain pointers to objects lose track of what object they are connected to or the selectedObject or target is lost Hopefully I can save, close the stack, reboot. then things get better. Sometimes can't save, have to shut down, lose a lot work… well, not any more… I save every time I make a minute change now. Is this better in 9- dp 10? or the latest versions of 8.* I switch to 9 for the mobile debugging, but am not really using that at the moment. Brahmanathaswami ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
