Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread doc hawk via use-livecode

On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:33 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/20 12:11 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> I used yesterday’s version, and not installed globally (ran from the opened 
>> dmg).  And will purge that account today, and make another if I need to 
>> again.
> 
> Interesting. I didn't realize it could be run from the dmg. Another option 
> would be to run it in a container.


It seems that *most* things can.

At one point, I found that I was running livecode that way . . .


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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 3/25/20 12:11 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:


the problem being that the server daemon was still active after ending a zoom 
session.


And also that it was done without user consent, and in violation of the rules 
enforcedly apple . . .


No argument from me.
The "fix" for Safari 12 wasn't very well thought out either in technical 
terms or in public visibility.



I used yesterday’s version, and not installed globally (ran from the opened 
dmg).  And will purge that account today, and make another if I need to again.


Interesting. I didn't realize it could be run from the dmg. Another 
option would be to run it in a container.


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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread doc hawk via use-livecode

On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> the problem being that the server daemon was still active after ending a zoom 
> session.

And also that it was done without user consent, and in violation of the rules 
enforcedly apple . . .


I used yesterday’s version, and not installed globally (ran from the opened 
dmg).  And will purge that account today, and make another if I need to again.

Suspicious? Who, me?

:)

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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
Since we can't post attachments to this list I posted to the web forum a 
quick script-only stack library I threw together to access up-to-date 
worldwide covid-19 information from Johns Hopkins. Hope somebody finds 
it useful.


http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5=33815=189459#p189459

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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 3/25/20 11:05 AM, Clarence Martin via use-livecode wrote:

Interesting. I did a search on "privacy problems with zoom" And got several 
hits. Has anyone done any other exploration on this matter and how to circumvent these 
concerns?


The CVE for OSX is basically taken care of with zoom versions past 
4.4.4. If you were running earlier versions then there's a fairly simple 
routine to test for and remove the web server. There were valid reasons 
the server was deemed necessary to put into place, the problem being 
that the server daemon was still active after ending a zoom session.


I use zoom occasionally without any worries, but if you're concerned 
then LittleSnitch is your friend.


https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html

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RE: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Clarence Martin via use-livecode
Interesting. I did a search on "privacy problems with zoom" And got several 
hits. Has anyone done any other exploration on this matter and how to 
circumvent these concerns?

Sincerely,

Clarence Martin
Email: chi...@themartinz.com
Phone: 636 6965561

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On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> Zoom is fantastic. A

Be very cautious with zoom, and note it’s snarky privacy policy which 
acknowledges they sell data about you . . .

I had to use it yesterday for a nonprofit board meeting.   I created a 
throw-away user account.  I found that it could *not* run in TOR, and had to 
settle for a private safari window.

And it *did* attempt to access my downloads folder!  (OSX caught this).

They have also in the past deliberately circumvented apple’s tulles to install 
a malware web browser to avoid getting permission to use the camera—and third 
parties compromised machines with this.
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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread doc hawk via use-livecode

On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> Zoom is fantastic. A

Be very cautious with zoom, and note it’s snarky privacy policy which 
acknowledges they sell data about you . . .

I had to use it yesterday for a nonprofit board meeting.   I created a 
throw-away user account.  I found that it could *not* run in TOR, and had to 
settle for a private safari window.

And it *did* attempt to access my downloads folder!  (OSX caught this).

They have also in the past deliberately circumvented apple’s tulles to install 
a malware web browser to avoid getting permission to use the camera—and third 
parties compromised machines with this.
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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Zoom is fantastic. Another I have been using is FreeConferenceCall which is
live video, screen share as well as audio. Great for those who can only use
the phone rather than data. Skype really sucks.

Thanks, Heather, for this. An excellent idea from the team.

Stay in. Stay Safe. Y'all.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *


On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 16:46, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is a fantastic idea, although I'd be wary of the takeaway pizza: it
> might be infected.
>
> I am using Zoom myself for my work with children, and it works very well
> indeed.
>
> To all my friend, acquaintances, sparring-partners and enemies on the
> Use-List: do keep safe and healthy:
> the world would be a lot poorer without you.
>
> Best, Richmond.
>
> On 25.03.20 16:47, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
> > Dear List Folks,
> >
> > These are strange and difficult times. Thanks to COVID-19 we at LiveCode
> Ltd. are all now working from home, and staying together as a company via
> Zoom and Slack. It's working pretty well for us I must say, at least so
> far. Turns out programmers don't much mind being locked in a room alone
> with just a computer and a takeaway pizza for company...
> >
> > I'm sure many of you are in the same boat, quarantined or
> semi-quarantined and trying to keep going without the usual levels of face
> to face support and company. We've been talking about how we can all
> support each other during this time, and stick together as a community.
> >
> > We want to do our bit. To this end, we are planning to setup a monthly
> zoom room for everyone on the list to access. You can speak to each other,
> find out how everyone is doing, share your projects, tell your story. We
> will join these rooms when we can. This will very much be an extension of
> the use-list, with the same ground rules - we're here to talk about using
> LiveCode, and help each other out with that. Obviously there will be some
> water cooler type chit chat but please... no politics, religion or cheese!
> Let's keep it positive. It will be community run, we will participate as
> and when we can but primarily this is for you all to talk to each other.
> We'll work out the mechanics of it as we go along, but it looks like zoom
> has the facility to split off smaller groups so it does not become too
> unmanageable and everyone has a chance to participate.
> >
> > On top of this we want to do more - we want to use what we have to help.
> We are fully aware that people across the world are having to stay home,
> some are fortunate enough to be able to keep their jobs or businesses and
> some have not been so fortunate. We want to give people the opportunity to
> learn a new skill. Taking a leaf from Andre's book (thanks Andre, and pun
> intended...), while this crisis is ongoing we are going to make the first
> year of LiveCode Indy available to brand new users from free to full price.
> This will be on a sliding scale - people can pay whatever they want or can
> afford. No judgement. We hope you can help us spread the word, if you know
> anyone who is in a tough situation, or just someone who has always wanted
> to code - please pass this on to them. We also ask you (although we know
> you will) to welcome new people to the community with open arms and help
> them through this new journey. We would love to hear any ideas you have on
> how we as a community can help more people through coding. We are putting
> the campaign together now, we expect to be ready to launch it in a few days
> time.
> >
> > All we ask at this time is that existing customers do not cancel their
> subscriptions to then go ahead and purchase a new license on the sliding
> scale. It's worth noting that although the first year will be at a price
> determined by the user - the second year will be at full price. If any of
> you are struggling at this time and are concerned about your subscription
> payments please do get in touch with me on the usual supp...@livecode.com
> email and we will try to support you in the best way we can.
> >
> > Thanks for reading this rather long post. Take care, stay home, stay
> well and enjoy this excellent opportunity to really get to grips with
> LiveCode in your solitude!
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > Heather Laine
> > Customer Services Manager
> > LiveCode Ltd
> > www.livecode.com
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
This is a fantastic idea, although I'd be wary of the takeaway pizza: it 
might be infected.


I am using Zoom myself for my work with children, and it works very well 
indeed.


To all my friend, acquaintances, sparring-partners and enemies on the 
Use-List: do keep safe and healthy:

the world would be a lot poorer without you.

Best, Richmond.

On 25.03.20 16:47, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List Folks,

These are strange and difficult times. Thanks to COVID-19 we at LiveCode Ltd. 
are all now working from home, and staying together as a company via Zoom and 
Slack. It's working pretty well for us I must say, at least so far. Turns out 
programmers don't much mind being locked in a room alone with just a computer 
and a takeaway pizza for company...

I'm sure many of you are in the same boat, quarantined or semi-quarantined and 
trying to keep going without the usual levels of face to face support and 
company. We've been talking about how we can all support each other during this 
time, and stick together as a community.

We want to do our bit. To this end, we are planning to setup a monthly zoom 
room for everyone on the list to access. You can speak to each other, find out 
how everyone is doing, share your projects, tell your story. We will join these 
rooms when we can. This will very much be an extension of the use-list, with 
the same ground rules - we're here to talk about using LiveCode, and help each 
other out with that. Obviously there will be some water cooler type chit chat 
but please... no politics, religion or cheese! Let's keep it positive. It will 
be community run, we will participate as and when we can but primarily this is 
for you all to talk to each other. We'll work out the mechanics of it as we go 
along, but it looks like zoom has the facility to split off smaller groups so 
it does not become too unmanageable and everyone has a chance to participate.

On top of this we want to do more - we want to use what we have to help. We are 
fully aware that people across the world are having to stay home, some are 
fortunate enough to be able to keep their jobs or businesses and some have not 
been so fortunate. We want to give people the opportunity to learn a new skill. 
Taking a leaf from Andre's book (thanks Andre, and pun intended...), while this 
crisis is ongoing we are going to make the first year of LiveCode Indy 
available to brand new users from free to full price. This will be on a sliding 
scale - people can pay whatever they want or can afford. No judgement. We hope 
you can help us spread the word, if you know anyone who is in a tough 
situation, or just someone who has always wanted to code - please pass this on 
to them. We also ask you (although we know you will) to welcome new people to 
the community with open arms and help them through this new journey. We would 
love to hear any ideas you have on how we as a community can help more people 
through coding. We are putting the campaign together now, we expect to be ready 
to launch it in a few days time.

All we ask at this time is that existing customers do not cancel their 
subscriptions to then go ahead and purchase a new license on the sliding scale. 
It's worth noting that although the first year will be at a price determined by 
the user - the second year will be at full price. If any of you are struggling 
at this time and are concerned about your subscription payments please do get 
in touch with me on the usual supp...@livecode.com email and we will try to 
support you in the best way we can.

Thanks for reading this rather long post. Take care, stay home, stay well and 
enjoy this excellent opportunity to really get to grips with LiveCode in your 
solitude!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
Also, the Metropolitan Opera in New York is making daily streams 
available for free, one opera per day. This week is all Wagner, but next 
week looks more interesting (ducking). There was an absolutely wonderful 
Il Trovatore last week. Streams are available for 24 hours, so if you 
can pull yourself away from coding for a couple of hours, check it out.


https://www.metopera.org/user-information/nightly-met-opera-streams/

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RE: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Awesome +1

Creating music is the great unifier and is physiologically calming in this
stressful time. I metaphorically dusted off my electric guitar and re-strung
it. Fender is offering 3 free months of on-line lessons for all abilities
and types of guitars. If you need a break from LC coding take a look.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

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To: Heather Laine via use-livecode
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On 3/25/20 7:47 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

> Thanks for reading this rather long post. Take care, stay home, stay well
and enjoy this excellent opportunity to really get to grips with LiveCode in
your solitude!

Awesome.

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Re: Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 3/25/20 7:47 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:


Thanks for reading this rather long post. Take care, stay home, stay well and 
enjoy this excellent opportunity to really get to grips with LiveCode in your 
solitude!


Awesome.

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Idea to keep us all connected

2020-03-25 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
Dear List Folks,

These are strange and difficult times. Thanks to COVID-19 we at LiveCode Ltd. 
are all now working from home, and staying together as a company via Zoom and 
Slack. It's working pretty well for us I must say, at least so far. Turns out 
programmers don't much mind being locked in a room alone with just a computer 
and a takeaway pizza for company...

I'm sure many of you are in the same boat, quarantined or semi-quarantined and 
trying to keep going without the usual levels of face to face support and 
company. We've been talking about how we can all support each other during this 
time, and stick together as a community. 

We want to do our bit. To this end, we are planning to setup a monthly zoom 
room for everyone on the list to access. You can speak to each other, find out 
how everyone is doing, share your projects, tell your story. We will join these 
rooms when we can. This will very much be an extension of the use-list, with 
the same ground rules - we're here to talk about using LiveCode, and help each 
other out with that. Obviously there will be some water cooler type chit chat 
but please... no politics, religion or cheese! Let's keep it positive. It will 
be community run, we will participate as and when we can but primarily this is 
for you all to talk to each other. We'll work out the mechanics of it as we go 
along, but it looks like zoom has the facility to split off smaller groups so 
it does not become too unmanageable and everyone has a chance to participate.

On top of this we want to do more - we want to use what we have to help. We are 
fully aware that people across the world are having to stay home, some are 
fortunate enough to be able to keep their jobs or businesses and some have not 
been so fortunate. We want to give people the opportunity to learn a new skill. 
Taking a leaf from Andre's book (thanks Andre, and pun intended...), while this 
crisis is ongoing we are going to make the first year of LiveCode Indy 
available to brand new users from free to full price. This will be on a sliding 
scale - people can pay whatever they want or can afford. No judgement. We hope 
you can help us spread the word, if you know anyone who is in a tough 
situation, or just someone who has always wanted to code - please pass this on 
to them. We also ask you (although we know you will) to welcome new people to 
the community with open arms and help them through this new journey. We would 
love to hear any ideas you have on how we as a community can help more people 
through coding. We are putting the campaign together now, we expect to be ready 
to launch it in a few days time.

All we ask at this time is that existing customers do not cancel their 
subscriptions to then go ahead and purchase a new license on the sliding scale. 
It's worth noting that although the first year will be at a price determined by 
the user - the second year will be at full price. If any of you are struggling 
at this time and are concerned about your subscription payments please do get 
in touch with me on the usual supp...@livecode.com email and we will try to 
support you in the best way we can.

Thanks for reading this rather long post. Take care, stay home, stay well and 
enjoy this excellent opportunity to really get to grips with LiveCode in your 
solitude!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



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