Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

I’ve noticed some odd behavior with Apple Mail since I upgraded to Big Sur, 
too. There has been some work on it and I don’t think it’s for the better.

Bill Prothero

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the discussion link.  More confirmation it is a bug in Catalina 
> macOS Mail.
> Unfortunately, their work around for forwarding isn’t a fix.  One would have 
> hoped
> that Apple would have fixed it in the last 8 months, but they haven’t.  :-(
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 2:08 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You're not alone:
>> > >
>> 
>> There are a couple of work-around suggestions there, and a bug report has 
>> been filed. But they're talking about forwarding mail, not auto-responding.
> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Thanks for the discussion link.  More confirmation it is a bug in Catalina 
macOS Mail.
Unfortunately, their work around for forwarding isn’t a fix.  One would have 
hoped
that Apple would have fixed it in the last 8 months, but they haven’t.  :-(

Thanks,

Rick

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 2:08 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> You're not alone:
>  >
> 
> There are a couple of work-around suggestions there, and a bug report has 
> been filed. But they're talking about forwarding mail, not auto-responding.

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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 2/24/21 10:29 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Matthias,

Ok, so Mojave is good and macOS Mail in Catalina is the problem.

I don’t know if we can come up with an LC solution work around
for this problem, or if I need to be looking at some other email
client software.  Is anyone using Thunderbird or another
program that has Rules or Filter auto-respond capability
that might work?


You're not alone:


There are a couple of work-around suggestions there, and a bug report has been filed. But 
they're talking about forwarding mail, not auto-responding.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the script.  I’m not an AppleScript Expert either.
I’ve dabbled with it from time to time and usually end up
hating the experience.

Sometimes using the “Record” feature of AppleScript
can give one a good idea of what to do.  

I would probably eliminate a repeat or two. I don’t want
the script looping through all of my inboxes or emails,
I just want it to look at the last one that was just received.

I’m also looking into what Key Maestro might be able to do too.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Rick

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know this is moving away from LC, but you can use a simple AppleScript to 
> to do this, then trigger the AppleScript from Mail rules, or run as a 
> standalone app, or you could trigger the AppleScript from LC if that’s what 
> you need.
> 
> I’m no AppleScript expert, I just did a bit of searching and found a script 
> that could be easily modified, anyway, this is the script I tested and it 
> seems to do what you asked. It could probably be improved, if anyone 
> understands AS better please step in.
> 
> 
> 
> set toAddress to "myemailaddr...@mail.com"
> set toName to "My Name"
> set toSubject to "Something Cool"
> 
> tell application "Mail"
>   repeat with _acct in imap accounts
>   --Look For Messages in the INBOX with the subject set in 
> toSubject 
>   set _acct_name to name of _acct
>   set _inbox to _acct's mailbox "INBOX"
>   set _msgs_to_capture to (a reference to ¬
>   (every message of _inbox ¬
>   whose subject is toSubject))
>   
>   repeat with _msg in _msgs_to_capture
>   set _fwdmsg to forward _msg with opening window
>   
>   tell _fwdmsg
>   make new to recipient at end of ¬
>   to recipients with properties 
> {name:toName, address:toAddress}
>   end tell
>   
>   activate
>   
>   send _fwdmsg
>   end repeat
>   end repeat
> end tell
> 
> 
> 
> To compile this code, open Utilities > Script Editor, create a new script and 
> paste the code in, make the changes you need to lines 1, 2 and 3 and save the 
> script as an application in the User > Library > Application Scripts > 
> com.apple.mail folder, then it will be available in the Apple Mail Rules.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On 24Feb, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Matthias,
>> 
>> Ok, so Mojave is good and macOS Mail in Catalina is the problem.
>> 
>> I don’t know if we can come up with an LC solution work around
>> for this problem, or if I need to be looking at some other email
>> client software.  Is anyone using Thunderbird or another
>> program that has Rules or Filter auto-respond capability
>> that might work?
>> 
>> Your thoughts and suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:23 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rick,
>>> 
>>> i mixed the version numbers. I tested with 15.3 which is Catalina. There it 
>>> shows also the behaviour.
>>> In Mojave the subjects is not changed and keeps the original value.
>>> 
>>> Please excuse the confusion.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Paul Hibbert via use-livecode]

I know this is moving away from LC, but you can use a simple AppleScript to to 
do this, then trigger the AppleScript from Mail rules, or run as a standalone 
app, or you could trigger the AppleScript from LC if that’s what you need.

I’m no AppleScript expert, I just did a bit of searching and found a script 
that could be easily modified, anyway, this is the script I tested and it seems 
to do what you asked. It could probably be improved, if anyone understands AS 
better please step in.



set toAddress to "myemailaddr...@mail.com"
set toName to "My Name"
set toSubject to "Something Cool"

tell application "Mail"
repeat with _acct in imap accounts
--Look For Messages in the INBOX with the subject set in 
toSubject 
set _acct_name to name of _acct
set _inbox to _acct's mailbox "INBOX"
set _msgs_to_capture to (a reference to ¬
(every message of _inbox ¬
whose subject is toSubject))

repeat with _msg in _msgs_to_capture
set _fwdmsg to forward _msg with opening window

tell _fwdmsg
make new to recipient at end of ¬
to recipients with properties 
{name:toName, address:toAddress}
end tell

activate

send _fwdmsg
end repeat
end repeat
end tell



To compile this code, open Utilities > Script Editor, create a new script and 
paste the code in, make the changes you need to lines 1, 2 and 3 and save the 
script as an application in the User > Library > Application Scripts > 
com.apple.mail folder, then it will be available in the Apple Mail Rules.

Paul

> On 24Feb, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Ok, so Mojave is good and macOS Mail in Catalina is the problem.
> 
> I don’t know if we can come up with an LC solution work around
> for this problem, or if I need to be looking at some other email
> client software.  Is anyone using Thunderbird or another
> program that has Rules or Filter auto-respond capability
> that might work?
> 
> Your thoughts and suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:23 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rick,
>> 
>> i mixed the version numbers. I tested with 15.3 which is Catalina. There it 
>> shows also the behaviour.
>> In Mojave the subjects is not changed and keeps the original value.
>> 
>> Please excuse the confusion.
>> 
> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi again,

I had one more idea as a work around.

My account is a gmail account.  Is there
anyway I could use one of their filters at
that level to do the auto-respond but
somehow change the subject line back
to what it should be?

Any gmail experts here that might know
the answer?

Thanks,

Rick

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:23 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> i mixed the version numbers. I tested with 15.3 which is Catalina. There it 
> shows also the behaviour.
> In Mojave the subjects is not changed and keeps the original value.
> 
> Please excuse the confusion.
> 
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 24.02.2021 um 16:50 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Matthias,
>> 
>> That confirms this is bug with macOS Mojave and most
>> probably wasn’t fixed in Catalina either!
>> 
>> Now the question becomes one of does the
>> bug still exist in macOS Big Sur?
>> 
>> In addition, can anyone come up with a
>> workaround that produces the correct result?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:43 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, understood. ;)
>>> 
>>> I've tried here in a VM with macOS 14.3 now.
>>> 
>>> I created a rule that forwards an email if the subject is DAVID.
>>> I can replicate it so far, but in my case the subject changed from DAVID to 
>>> Fwd: baa1
>>> 
>>> I checked also the raw email. There's the same for the subject.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

Ok, so Mojave is good and macOS Mail in Catalina is the problem.

I don’t know if we can come up with an LC solution work around
for this problem, or if I need to be looking at some other email
client software.  Is anyone using Thunderbird or another
program that has Rules or Filter auto-respond capability
that might work?

Your thoughts and suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:23 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> i mixed the version numbers. I tested with 15.3 which is Catalina. There it 
> shows also the behaviour.
> In Mojave the subjects is not changed and keeps the original value.
> 
> Please excuse the confusion.
> 


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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Rick,

i mixed the version numbers. I tested with 15.3 which is Catalina. There it 
shows also the behaviour.
In Mojave the subjects is not changed and keeps the original value.

Please excuse the confusion.


-
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> Am 24.02.2021 um 16:50 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> That confirms this is bug with macOS Mojave and most
> probably wasn’t fixed in Catalina either!
> 
> Now the question becomes one of does the
> bug still exist in macOS Big Sur?
> 
> In addition, can anyone come up with a
> workaround that produces the correct result?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:43 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, understood. ;)
>> 
>> I've tried here in a VM with macOS 14.3 now.
>> 
>> I created a rule that forwards an email if the subject is DAVID.
>> I can replicate it so far, but in my case the subject changed from DAVID to 
>> Fwd: baa1
>> 
>> I checked also the raw email. There's the same for the subject.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

That confirms this is bug with macOS Mojave and most
probably wasn’t fixed in Catalina either!

Now the question becomes one of does the
bug still exist in macOS Big Sur?

In addition, can anyone come up with a
workaround that produces the correct result?

Thanks!

Rick



> On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:43 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Okay, understood. ;)
> 
> I've tried here in a VM with macOS 14.3 now.
> 
> I created a rule that forwards an email if the subject is DAVID.
> I can replicate it so far, but in my case the subject changed from DAVID to 
> Fwd: baa1
> 
> I checked also the raw email. There's the same for the subject.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias

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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Okay, understood. ;)

I've tried here in a VM with macOS 14.3 now.

I created a rule that forwards an email if the subject is DAVID.
I can replicate it so far, but in my case the subject changed from DAVID to 
Fwd: baa1

I checked also the raw email. There's the same for the subject.

Regards,
Matthias

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> Am 24.02.2021 um 15:15 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> The problem is not with the script
> because I can reproduce the problem
> without using it at all.
> 
> Just test the Rules part of Mac Mail in Catalina,
> to see if an auto reply generates Hexadecimal
> numbers in the Subject line.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 7:21 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How do you compose the email?
>> Are you using the Mime library for it?
>> Are you using shell() function to send the email after composing or the 
>> tsNET external?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>> 
>>> Am 24.02.2021 um 04:19 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
>>> and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.
>>> 
>>> I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
>>> and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
>>> a different email address with another message.
>>> 
>>> It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
>>> ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
>>> instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.
>>> 
>>> I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
>>> email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
>>> subject line.
>>> 
>>> I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
>>> to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
>>> well for everyone else then I know it’s something
>>> wrong with my computer.
>>> 
>>> Please let me know your results.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

The problem is not with the script
because I can reproduce the problem
without using it at all.

Just test the Rules part of Mac Mail in Catalina,
to see if an auto reply generates Hexadecimal
numbers in the Subject line.

Thanks,

Rick

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 7:21 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> How do you compose the email?
> Are you using the Mime library for it?
> Are you using shell() function to send the email after composing or the tsNET 
> external?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 24.02.2021 um 04:19 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
>> and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.
>> 
>> I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
>> and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
>> a different email address with another message.
>> 
>> It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
>> ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
>> instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.
>> 
>> I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
>> email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
>> subject line.
>> 
>> I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
>> to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
>> well for everyone else then I know it’s something
>> wrong with my computer.
>> 
>> Please let me know your results.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear enough about what I was asking.

My script is fine!

I can reproduce the problem just by sending a normal
email in the usual physical way that we send emails
everyday.  (No script required.)

I am using the Apple Mac Mail Rules option to filter.

Can you please try your Rules in macOS Catalina to confirm
if you are getting Hexadecimal numbers for a subject in
your auto reply message.

Thanks,

Rick

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 3:07 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tough to let you know my results if none of us have your script . . .
> 
> Best, Richmond.
> 
> On 24.02.21 5:19, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
>> I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
>> and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.
>> 
>> I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
>> and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
>> a different email address with another message.
>> 
>> It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
>> ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
>> instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.
>> 
>> I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
>> email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
>> subject line.
>> 
>> I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
>> to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
>> well for everyone else then I know it’s something
>> wrong with my computer.
>> 
>> Please let me know your results.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

How do you compose the email?
Are you using the Mime library for it?
Are you using shell() function to send the email after composing or the tsNET 
external?




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> Am 24.02.2021 um 04:19 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
> and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.
> 
> I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
> and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
> a different email address with another message.
> 
> It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
> ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
> instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.
> 
> I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
> email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
> subject line.
> 
> I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
> to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
> well for everyone else then I know it’s something
> wrong with my computer.
> 
> Please let me know your results.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
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Re: LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Tough to let you know my results if none of us have your script . . .

Best, Richmond.

On 24.02.21 5:19, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.

I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
a different email address with another message.

It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.

I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
subject line.

I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
well for everyone else then I know it’s something
wrong with my computer.

Please let me know your results.

Thanks,

Rick



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LC, Mac Mail & Rules

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

I have a script in my LC server that composes an email
and sends it to my Mac Mail Inbox.

I have set up a rule that says if the subject is “Something Cool”
and it was sent to my email at CoolPlace then it replies to
a different email address with another message.

It works in Mac OS Catalina, except - the subject line
ends up being a Hexadecimal code like 3b00 or dd71,
instead of being “RE: Something Cool”.

I find I can reproduce the problem if I just send an
email to my CoolPlace address with the triggering
subject line.

I’m thinking this is a bug in Catalina, but I need someone
to try out the problem for confirmation.  If RULES work
well for everyone else then I know it’s something
wrong with my computer.

Please let me know your results.

Thanks,

Rick



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