Re: LC-apps for HC

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

It was to be free, but it was never completed. Two years or more went by 
while he tinkered with it and he eventually abandoned it. This happened at 
least ten years ago or more, and he has since left the community and taken 
down the project.


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On January 16, 2019 12:01:26 PM Ingar Roggen 
 wrote:



If «interest» means «money to purchase» I would like to know how much!
Ingar



3. des. 2018 kl. 05.45 skrev J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
:


Someone on the HC list did just that many years ago using MC. I don't think 
he ever finished it though, it turned out to be a lot of work and there was 
little interest by then.


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On December 2, 2018 7:56:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
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Ingar Roggen:


...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
Anybody takes the challenge?


One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?

I once thought about doing it myself...
http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html

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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

Richmond
You write «Why you should "pick on me" in regard to trying to convert stuff 
that must be, at the very least,
20 years out of date I don't know.» If I have bothered you you must excuse me. 
It surely wasn’t my intention. I must have mistaken your name for another.
Regards Ingar

> 15. jan. 2019 kl. 19.17 skrev Richmond :
> 
> I did get 2 'odd' messages from you to me that seemed to be something quite 
> different, so I popped them
> in my SPAM box.
> 
> Why you should "pick on me" in regard to trying to convert stuff that must 
> be, at the very least,
> 20 years out of date I don't know.
> 
> On the very, very rare occasion I find a Hypercard stack that has a vaguely 
> interesting title
> I have to do the following:
> 
> Unearth either my G4 Mac Mini or my G5 iMac and run HyperCard in "Classic" to 
> look at the functionailty
> and code.
> 
> Rather than "fart around" converting stacks, my experience has been that it 
> is better to copy code across into
> an LC stack running under RunRev 2, and then running that over to whatever 
> computer I happen to be
> "in love with" at the moment.
> 
> BUT, frankly, HyperCard is almost half my computer-life away (I'm 56 and
> I started programming when I was 14 = 42) so when I really feel "fully retro"
> I fire up my BBC Micro 1981 or my BBC Master 1988 and get "down and dirty"
> with BBC BASIC, which, oddly enough, still has features LiveCode does not 
> (Sound Export . . .).
> 
> Converting HyperCard stacks has been, in my experience, a waste of time:
> the overhead of having to debug the resultant thing is far more trouble than 
> recreating the functionality in LiveCode.
> 
> Anyone wanting to teach a Neanderthal to drive a car should NOT apply to me.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 15.01.19 16:46, Ingar Roggen wrote:
>> Dear all of you, - Richard, Richmond and the rest of the users of this list -
>> as you may have seen I have tried to get an idea (an offer!) of what it may 
>> cost - what one would have to pay - for an app or some other solution to the 
>> problem of making "HC easily portable to LC and thereby accessible «to the 
>> rest of us" again?». Not having got any answer I give it one more try.
>> Regards - Ingar
>> 
>> 
>>> 3. des. 2018 kl. 02.55 skrev Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Ingar Roggen:
>>> 
 ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
 portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
 Anybody takes the challenge?
>>> One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?
>>> 
>>> I once thought about doing it myself...
>>> http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>> 
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

If «interest» means «money to purchase» I would like to know how much!
Ingar



> 3. des. 2018 kl. 05.45 skrev J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Someone on the HC list did just that many years ago using MC. I don't think 
> he ever finished it though, it turned out to be a lot of work and there was 
> little interest by then.
> 
> --
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> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On December 2, 2018 7:56:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Ingar Roggen:
>> 
>> > ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
>> > portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
>> > Anybody takes the challenge?
>> 
>> One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?
>> 
>> I once thought about doing it myself...
>> http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
>> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[JB via use-livecode]

It is too late . . . I already noticed it.
Some things you just can’t change.

JB


> On Jan 15, 2019, at 3:37 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Please dismiss these stray words at
> the end of my previous message:
> 
>> but
>> notice that
> 
> Al
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LC-apps for HC

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Please dismiss these stray words at
the end of my previous message:

> but
> notice that

Al
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Hi Ingar,

Since last year, I am using Livecode in Mac,
Linux and Windows (and running stacks
on Android 2.3 and 4.0.1).

Previously, I have run Livecode only
on windows, much later on linux,
then on android and only since last
year on mac osx. (ios and raspberry pi
are in my plans too)

Livecode is similar and very different
in each one of these platforms.

Recreating the HyperCard interface
on top of Livecode should be very
straightforward and some developers
have done this previously, but if you
want an estimate of the cost of recreating
the HyperCard experience using Livecode,
your best choice is to ask RunRev
themselves.

Notice please, I do not consider HyperCard
just an interface but an experience.
The experience of using the capabilities
of your computer in an easy and
human-friendly way.

How could you offer the same experience
in the year 2019? The answer is different
and unique for each operating system
in which Livecode runs.

For Mac developers, they only have
one platform to work. For this reason
HyperCard was really extraordinary.

In my desk, I have a PowerMac 7500
and running HyperCard is a joy.
Today anyone could run HyperCard
in their web browser visiting Archive.org :
(HyperCard is inside the disk that
you could see in the desktop)

https://archive.org/details/AppleMacintoshSystem753

So, tell me if I am wrong if I understand
yourrequest as this question:

How could we recreate the HyperCard
experience in different Operating Systems
using Livecode?

Al



but
notice that


on Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:46:00
Ingar Roggen wrote:

> Dear all of you, - Richard, Richmond and the rest of the users
> of this list - as you may have seen I have tried to get an idea
> (an offer!) of what it may cost - what one would have to pay -
> for an app or some other solution to the problem of making
> "HC easily portable to LC and thereby accessible
> to the rest of us" again??. Not having got any answer
> I give it one more try.
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

All of you again! I’m truly thankful and give it a try!
Ingar



15. jan. 2019 kl. 17.00 skrev Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:

Yes, and I will reiterate that Hypercard was optimized to use cards as records 
in a database. Livecode is not. If your apps are of this nature, you will want 
to move the data in your cards to some other storage method, then have one card 
per "form" in your stack, loading the data as needed.

It isn't difficult. open file for a low level file, then repeat with i = 1 to 
the number of cards of stack  writing the pertinent data to a 
tab or comma delimited file, or a database if you have gotten that far with the 
database API.

Bob S


On Jan 15, 2019, at 06:46 , Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Dear all of you, - Richard, Richmond and the rest of the users of this list -
as you may have seen I have tried to get an idea (an offer!) of what it may 
cost - what one would have to pay - for an app or some other solution to the 
problem of making "HC easily portable to LC and thereby accessible «to the rest 
of us" again?». Not having got any answer I give it one more try.
Regards - Ingar



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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Yes, and I will reiterate that Hypercard was optimized to use cards as records 
in a database. Livecode is not. If your apps are of this nature, you will want 
to move the data in your cards to some other storage method, then have one card 
per "form" in your stack, loading the data as needed. 

It isn't difficult. open file for a low level file, then repeat with i = 1 to 
the number of cards of stack  writing the pertinent data to a 
tab or comma delimited file, or a database if you have gotten that far with the 
database API. 

Bob S


> On Jan 15, 2019, at 06:46 , Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all of you, - Richard, Richmond and the rest of the users of this list -
> as you may have seen I have tried to get an idea (an offer!) of what it may 
> cost - what one would have to pay - for an app or some other solution to the 
> problem of making "HC easily portable to LC and thereby accessible «to the 
> rest of us" again?». Not having got any answer I give it one more try. 
> Regards - Ingar
> 
> 

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Re: LC-apps for HC

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello all,

In LC 6.7.11 it is possible to open a HC stack. This feature has broken in
LC 7+. So you can try to:

1. Make a copy of your HC stack
2. Open it in LC 6.7.11
3. Then save it in LC 6.7.11.

Hopefully, after step 3, you should be able to open it in LC 9.

Best,
Panos--

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:46 PM Ingar Roggen via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear all of you, - Richard, Richmond and the rest of the users of this
> list -
> as you may have seen I have tried to get an idea (an offer!) of what it
> may cost - what one would have to pay - for an app or some other solution
> to the problem of making "HC easily portable to LC and thereby accessible
> «to the rest of us" again?». Not having got any answer I give it one more
> try.
> Regards - Ingar
>
>
> > 3. des. 2018 kl. 02.55 skrev Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Ingar Roggen:
> >
> > > ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
> > > portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
> > > Anybody takes the challenge?
> >
> > One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?
> >
> > I once thought about doing it myself...
> > http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
> > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> > 
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

Dear all of you, - Richard, Richmond and the rest of the users of this list -
as you may have seen I have tried to get an idea (an offer!) of what it may 
cost - what one would have to pay - for an app or some other solution to the 
problem of making "HC easily portable to LC and thereby accessible «to the rest 
of us" again?». Not having got any answer I give it one more try. 
Regards - Ingar


> 3. des. 2018 kl. 02.55 skrev Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Ingar Roggen:
> 
> > ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
> > portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
> > Anybody takes the challenge?
> 
> One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?
> 
> I once thought about doing it myself...
> http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

Richmond,
«If I were a rich man…»
But I am not, I am just an old (soon 85) lover of HC living here up North  — 
but this is love eternal…
What I  c o u l d   try to do is to get some rich and generous Norwegian 
idealist (RICH + GENEROUS + IDEALIST = an unbelievable value-combination in 
Scotland, not?) to pay for such a  job. How much would you charge for this app?
Regards
Ingar

3. des. 2018 kl. 10.15 skrev Richmond via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:



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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

Richmond
I must have been sleeping at the time of your offer. Sorry! — When Andy right 
now offers his whole bundle at Xmas prices I would gladly buy it all. I hope he 
reads this. BUT ONLY IF it helps to bridge and bond HC with LC! Including the 
complete original MacPaint. — In order not to clutter up this list I stop here 
and refer you here to a pdf with a sketch of my own solution: 
roggen.no/HC+LC.pdf and a pdf with my mind-hologram 
for a CyberMentat:roggen.no/inner.
Merry Xmas to all of you!
Ingar

3. des. 2018 kl. 10.15 skrev Richmond via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:

Did exactly that a couple of years ago . . . .

No takers at the time.

Richmond.

On 3.12.18 г. 3:55 ч., Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Ingar Roggen:

> ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
> portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
> Anybody takes the challenge?

One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?

I once thought about doing it myself...
http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html



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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Did exactly that a couple of years ago . . . .

No takers at the time.

Richmond.

On 3.12.18 г. 3:55 ч., Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Ingar Roggen:

> ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
> portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
> Anybody takes the challenge?

One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?

I once thought about doing it myself...
http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html




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Re: LC-apps for HC

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Someone on the HC list did just that many years ago using MC. I don't think 
he ever finished it though, it turned out to be a lot of work and there was 
little interest by then.


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On December 2, 2018 7:56:52 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Ingar Roggen:

> ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
> portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
> Anybody takes the challenge?

One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?

I once thought about doing it myself...
http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html

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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Ingar Roggen:

> ...why not elaborate it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily
> portable to LC and thereby accessible "to the rest of us" again?
> Anybody takes the challenge?

One could make HC's interface in LC. Anyone game?

I once thought about doing it myself...
http://livecodejournal.com/features/the-true-power-of-hypercard.html

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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

http://lowendmac.com/2014/apples-revolutionary-hypercard/

<<<•>>>

In 2002, the International HyperCard Users Group estimated there were 10,000 
active HyperCard users worldwide.

<<<•>>>



Hello, Devin!

As confirmed above the International HyperCard Users Group estimated there were 
10,000 active HyperCard users worldwide in 2002. Is LC anywhere near that 
number? Maybe. And if maybe not, why not? A truly successful LC should have 
been able to attract the 10,000 HC users worldwide and additionally the group 
of dedicated LC users. Maybe 10,000 of those too? Then we are 20,000? And if 
not, why not? What magic was lost along the road? HC was the winner. Where is 
it now? My one is in my Mac, always at hand. 10,000-1=9,999. Im still here, 
asking for an easier access to LC.  If the authoritative guide for converting 
HyperCard stacks to LiveCode still is Jacque’s tutorial at 
https://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html, why not elaborate 
it to the tool, the app needed to make HC easily portable to LC and thereby 
accessible "to the rest of us" again? Anybody takes the challenge?

Ingar


30. nov. 2018 kl. 20.10 wrote Devin Asay via use-livecode:


The authoritative guide for converting HyperCard stacks to LiveCode is still 
Jacque’s tutorial at https://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html


Devin

Sendt fra min iPhone

2. des. 2018 kl. 23:27 skrev Ingar Roggen 
mailto:ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no>>:


2. des. 2018 kl. 04.38 skrev J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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As far as I know, LC includes all the scripted paint commands that HC had, and 
adds native color besides. The stacks I've imported that used painting commands 
worked with few changes, mostly only needing to slow them down due to LC's 
faster engine and more modern CPUs.

The OP wants to emulate MacPaint, so image size limitations probably won't be 
an issue.

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On December 1, 2018 7:53:03 PM hh via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Richard G. wrote:
... Is there anything in MacPaint that can't be done with LC's bitmap objects?

"That can't be done" wins always, because the only limit for LC is the sky
(more exactly, sadly, the sky below the 65535-limit for all coordinates).

But there's a lot of features that are not done with LC's bitmap objects.
Even in a comparison with the paint features of HC some are missing (which
of course can be done, because the limit ...).
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

> 2. des. 2018 kl. 04.38 skrev J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> As far as I know, LC includes all the scripted paint commands that HC had, 
> and adds native color besides. The stacks I've imported that used painting 
> commands worked with few changes, mostly only needing to slow them down due 
> to LC's faster engine and more modern CPUs.
> 
> The OP wants to emulate MacPaint, so image size limitations probably won't be 
> an issue.
> 
> --
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> On December 1, 2018 7:53:03 PM hh via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>>> Richard G. wrote:
>>> ... Is there anything in MacPaint that can't be done with LC's bitmap 
>>> objects?
>> 
>> "That can't be done" wins always, because the only limit for LC is the sky
>> (more exactly, sadly, the sky below the 65535-limit for all coordinates).
>> 
>> But there's a lot of features that are not done with LC's bitmap objects.
>> Even in a comparison with the paint features of HC some are missing (which
>> of course can be done, because the limit ...).
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Re: LC-apps for HC

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http://lowendmac.com/2014/apples-revolutionary-hypercard/
<<<•>>>
In 2002, the International HyperCard Users Group estimated there were 10,000 
active HyperCard users worldwide.
<<<•>>>

Hello, Devin!
As confirmed above the International HyperCard Users Group estimated there were 
10,000 active HyperCard users worldwide in 2002. Is LC anywhere near that 
number? Maybe. And if maybe not, why not? A truly successful LC should have 
been able to attract the 10,000 HC users worldwide and additionally the group 
of dedicated LC users. Maybe 10,000 of those too? Then we are 20,000? And if 
not, why not? What magic was lost along the road? HC was the winner. Where is 
it now? My one is in my Mac, always at hand. 10,000-1=9,999. Im still here, 
asking for an easier access to LC.  If the authoritative guide for converting 
HyperCard stacks to LiveCode still is Jacque’s tutorial at 
https://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html, why not elaborate 
it to the tool, the app needed to make HC accessible "to the rest of us" again? 
Anybody takes the challenge?
Ingar
30. nov. 2018 kl. 23.02 skrev Ingar Roggen 
mailto:ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no>>:

But before that I would like to know if MacPaint works in LC. Anybody know that?

Sendt fra min iPhone

30. nov. 2018 kl. 22:50 skrev Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:

I’ll look into it again, Devin.

30. nov. 2018 kl. 20.10 skrev Devin Asay via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:

The authoritative guide for converting HyperCard stacks to LiveCode is still 
Jacque’s tutorial at https://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html

Devin

On Nov 30, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
 wrote:

Hello, André,
I hope you still remember that we met in Las Vegas. I still use HyperCard and 
wonder if it has become easier to port HC-stacks to LiveCode? Do you know if 
there are any apps for that? And if not, would it be difficult to write them?
Regards
Ingar

Sendt fra min iPhone

30. nov. 2018 kl. 14:41 skrev Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:

Kaveh,

I would work which lines should be shown and hidden inside a variable and then 
replace the whole field...

On 30/11/2018 13:07, Kaveh Bazargan wrote:
Yes Andre, that is the line that fixed it, in a split second :-)

But here is a follow-up: Now I want to hide all lines that have no text style 
and only show lines with colored text. I use:

repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of fld 1
  if the textcolor of line i of fld "text" is not empty then
 set the hidden of line i of fld "text" to false
  end if
end repeat

This is taking time too. Any suggestions how to speed this up?

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 12:12, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 > wrote:

There is another tip here in this thread about

set the hidden of line 1 to -1 of field "the field" to false

As a single command, it might be better.

On 30/11/2018 12:07, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
Thank you guys. I am always embarrassed to ask here as I know
the answer is
a one liner!!

And Andre the screen was locked already. :-)

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:56, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> wrote:

Hi Andre,

Am 30.11.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Andre Alves Garzia via
use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>:
tied locking the screen first?
tied AND locked?
Andre, you are hardcore! :-D

On 30/11/2018 10:33, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
I have a text field with some 3500 lines of text. I want to
ensure all
lines are visible, as I have hidden some before. I use:

repeat with i = 1 the number of lines of fld 1
   set the hidden of line i of fld 1 to false
end repeat

This is taking over 1 minute to complete. I have tried
removing all
styling
from the text so e.g. backgroundcolor is empty, etc. Same result.

Any suggestions pls?
Best

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Re: LC-apps for HC

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

As far as I know, LC includes all the scripted paint commands that HC had, 
and adds native color besides. The stacks I've imported that used painting 
commands worked with few changes, mostly only needing to slow them down due 
to LC's faster engine and more modern CPUs.


The OP wants to emulate MacPaint, so image size limitations probably won't 
be an issue.


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On December 1, 2018 7:53:03 PM hh via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Richard G. wrote:
... Is there anything in MacPaint that can't be done with LC's bitmap objects?


"That can't be done" wins always, because the only limit for LC is the sky
(more exactly, sadly, the sky below the 65535-limit for all coordinates).

But there's a lot of features that are not done with LC's bitmap objects.
Even in a comparison with the paint features of HC some are missing (which
of course can be done, because the limit ...).
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Re: LC-apps for HC

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> Richard G. wrote:
> ... Is there anything in MacPaint that can't be done with LC's bitmap objects?

"That can't be done" wins always, because the only limit for LC is the sky
(more exactly, sadly, the sky below the 65535-limit for all coordinates).

But there's a lot of features that are not done with LC's bitmap objects.
Even in a comparison with the paint features of HC some are missing (which
of course can be done, because the limit ...).
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Re: LC-apps for HC

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Ingar Roggen wrote:

> I recognize the importance of asking adequate questions. I don’t know
> if the one about MacPaint (MP) belongs to that group. But I use MP all
> the time with SheepShaver and believe that the partial scriptability
> of MP perhaps was HC’s greatest contribution to interactive use of
> words and images in thinking. It’s a question of coordinating logic
> and imagination. Ingar

MacPaint's feature set was pretty limited, by design.  It shipped with 
Macs as a way to show off bitmap graphics, but simple enough that it 
wouldn't compete with third-party offerings.


Is there anything in MacPaint that can't be done with LC's bitmap objects?

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Re: LC-apps for HC

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Thank you, Kee

> 1. des. 2018 kl. 15.47 skrev Kee Nethery via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Great clarification. Thank you. Your question now makes perfect sense to me, 
> and I don’t have the answer for you. Hopefully someone else does.
> 
> Kee Nethery
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2018, at 1:42 AM, Ingar Roggen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I recognize the importance of asking adequate questions. I don’t know if the 
>> one about MacPaint (MP) belongs to that group. But I use MP all the time 
>> with SheepShaver and believe that the partial scriptability of MP perhaps 
>> was HC’s greatest contribution to interactive use of words and images in 
>> thinking. It’s a question of coordinating logic and imagination. Ingar
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPhone
>> 
>>> 1. des. 2018 kl. 06:36 skrev kee nethery via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Livecode is a program for creating programs.
>>> MacPaint is a program for creating images that as far as I know ran on 68K 
>>> macs. Not sure it ever ran on PPC Macs. Not sure if MacPaint images can 
>>> import into Livecode.
>>> Asking if MacPaint works in LC doesn’t make sense to me.
>>> Kee
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 But before that I would like to know if MacPaint works in LC. Anybody know 
 that?
 
 Sendt fra min iPhone
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Re: LC-apps for HC

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Great clarification. Thank you. Your question now makes perfect sense to me, 
and I don’t have the answer for you. Hopefully someone else does.

Kee Nethery

> On Dec 1, 2018, at 1:42 AM, Ingar Roggen  
> wrote:
> 
> I recognize the importance of asking adequate questions. I don’t know if the 
> one about MacPaint (MP) belongs to that group. But I use MP all the time with 
> SheepShaver and believe that the partial scriptability of MP perhaps was HC’s 
> greatest contribution to interactive use of words and images in thinking. 
> It’s a question of coordinating logic and imagination. Ingar
> 
> Sendt fra min iPhone
> 
>> 1. des. 2018 kl. 06:36 skrev kee nethery via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Livecode is a program for creating programs.
>> MacPaint is a program for creating images that as far as I know ran on 68K 
>> macs. Not sure it ever ran on PPC Macs. Not sure if MacPaint images can 
>> import into Livecode.
>> Asking if MacPaint works in LC doesn’t make sense to me.
>> Kee
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But before that I would like to know if MacPaint works in LC. Anybody know 
>>> that?
>>> 
>>> Sendt fra min iPhone
>> 
>> 
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Re: LC-apps for HC

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I recognize the importance of asking adequate questions. I don’t know if the 
one about MacPaint (MP) belongs to that group. But I use MP all the time with 
SheepShaver and believe that the partial scriptability of MP perhaps was HC’s 
greatest contribution to interactive use of words and images in thinking. It’s 
a question of coordinating logic and imagination. Ingar

Sendt fra min iPhone

> 1. des. 2018 kl. 06:36 skrev kee nethery via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Livecode is a program for creating programs.
> MacPaint is a program for creating images that as far as I know ran on 68K 
> macs. Not sure it ever ran on PPC Macs. Not sure if MacPaint images can 
> import into Livecode.
> Asking if MacPaint works in LC doesn’t make sense to me.
> Kee
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But before that I would like to know if MacPaint works in LC. Anybody know 
>> that?
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPhone
> 
> 
> 
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Re: LC-apps for HC

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Livecode is a program for creating programs.
MacPaint is a program for creating images that as far as I know ran on 68K 
macs. Not sure it ever ran on PPC Macs. Not sure if MacPaint images can import 
into Livecode.
Asking if MacPaint works in LC doesn’t make sense to me.
Kee

> On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> But before that I would like to know if MacPaint works in LC. Anybody know 
> that?
> 
> Sendt fra min iPhone




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Re: LC-apps for HC

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Ingar Roggen wrote:

> But before that I would like to know if MacPaint works in LC.
> Anybody know that?

I doubt it.  IIRC the format was directly dependent on QuickDraw - from 
Wikipedia:


  Applications using QuickDraw will still run under OS X 10.8
  through macOS 10.12; however, the current versions of Xcode
  and the macOS SDK do not contain the header files to compile
  such programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_QuickDraw


This is one of the benefits I've come to appreciate with open source: 
data longevity. When formats and the code needed to operate on them are 
free and open, data can never die.


Proprietary formats only live as long as the vendor chooses to support them.

I have a hard drive in my archives filled with data dependent on 
software that no longer runs on any modern OS.


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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

But before that I would like to know if MacPaint works in LC. Anybody know that?

Sendt fra min iPhone

> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 22:50 skrev Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I’ll look into it again, Devin.
> 
>> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 20.10 skrev Devin Asay via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> The authoritative guide for converting HyperCard stacks to LiveCode is still 
>> Jacque’s tutorial at 
>> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html
>> 
>> Devin
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, André,
>> I hope you still remember that we met in Las Vegas. I still use HyperCard 
>> and wonder if it has become easier to port HC-stacks to LiveCode? Do you 
>> know if there are any apps for that? And if not, would it be difficult to 
>> write them?
>> Regards
>> Ingar
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPhone
>> 
>> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 14:41 skrev Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Kaveh,
>> 
>> I would work which lines should be shown and hidden inside a variable and 
>> then replace the whole field...
>> 
>> On 30/11/2018 13:07, Kaveh Bazargan wrote:
>> Yes Andre, that is the line that fixed it, in a split second :-)
>> 
>> But here is a follow-up: Now I want to hide all lines that have no text 
>> style and only show lines with colored text. I use:
>> 
>> repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of fld 1
>>if the textcolor of line i of fld "text" is not empty then
>>   set the hidden of line i of fld "text" to false
>>end if
>> end repeat
>> 
>> This is taking time too. Any suggestions how to speed this up?
>> 
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 12:12, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> There is another tip here in this thread about
>> 
>> set the hidden of line 1 to -1 of field "the field" to false
>> 
>> As a single command, it might be better.
>> 
>> On 30/11/2018 12:07, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
>> Thank you guys. I am always embarrassed to ask here as I know
>> the answer is
>> a one liner!!
>> 
>> And Andre the screen was locked already. :-)
>> 
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:56, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andre,
>> 
>> Am 30.11.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Andre Alves Garzia via
>> use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> >:
>> tied locking the screen first?
>> tied AND locked?
>> Andre, you are hardcore! :-D
>> 
>> On 30/11/2018 10:33, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
>> I have a text field with some 3500 lines of text. I want to
>> ensure all
>> lines are visible, as I have hidden some before. I use:
>> 
>> repeat with i = 1 the number of lines of fld 1
>> set the hidden of line i of fld 1 to false
>> end repeat
>> 
>> This is taking over 1 minute to complete. I have tried
>> removing all
>> styling
>> from the text so e.g. backgroundcolor is empty, etc. Same result.
>> 
>> Any suggestions pls?
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
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>> http://www.major-k.de
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>> 
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

I’ll look into it again, Devin.

> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 20.10 skrev Devin Asay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> The authoritative guide for converting HyperCard stacks to LiveCode is still 
> Jacque’s tutorial at 
> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html
> 
> Devin
> 
> On Nov 30, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello, André,
> I hope you still remember that we met in Las Vegas. I still use HyperCard and 
> wonder if it has become easier to port HC-stacks to LiveCode? Do you know if 
> there are any apps for that? And if not, would it be difficult to write them?
> Regards
> Ingar
> 
> Sendt fra min iPhone
> 
> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 14:41 skrev Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Kaveh,
> 
> I would work which lines should be shown and hidden inside a variable and 
> then replace the whole field...
> 
> On 30/11/2018 13:07, Kaveh Bazargan wrote:
> Yes Andre, that is the line that fixed it, in a split second :-)
> 
> But here is a follow-up: Now I want to hide all lines that have no text style 
> and only show lines with colored text. I use:
> 
> repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of fld 1
> if the textcolor of line i of fld "text" is not empty then
>set the hidden of line i of fld "text" to false
> end if
>  end repeat
> 
> This is taking time too. Any suggestions how to speed this up?
> 
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 12:12, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
> > wrote:
> 
>  There is another tip here in this thread about
> 
>  set the hidden of line 1 to -1 of field "the field" to false
> 
>  As a single command, it might be better.
> 
>  On 30/11/2018 12:07, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
> Thank you guys. I am always embarrassed to ask here as I know
>  the answer is
> a one liner!!
> 
> And Andre the screen was locked already. :-)
> 
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:56, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Andre,
> 
> Am 30.11.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Andre Alves Garzia via
>  use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>  >:
> tied locking the screen first?
> tied AND locked?
> Andre, you are hardcore! :-D
> 
> On 30/11/2018 10:33, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
> I have a text field with some 3500 lines of text. I want to
>  ensure all
> lines are visible, as I have hidden some before. I use:
> 
> repeat with i = 1 the number of lines of fld 1
>  set the hidden of line i of fld 1 to false
> end repeat
> 
> This is taking over 1 minute to complete. I have tried
>  removing all
> styling
> from the text so e.g. backgroundcolor is empty, etc. Same result.
> 
> Any suggestions pls?
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
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I’ll use HC on the other side too, Kee!
Ingar

> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 20.13 skrev kee nethery via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> And I thought I was the last hold-out using Hypercard. Sold all my PPC Mac 
> Minis.
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

Thank you, Bob

> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 18.49 skrev Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I'll jump in here. 
> 
> Porting/opening Hypercard stacks is a convenience. The primary issue is that 
> Hypercard was optimized to index every text of every card in a stack to make 
> finding information easier. New records? New cards. 
> 
> Livecode? Not so much. In fact, not at all. There will be performance issues. 
> But at least your field and button layouts will be intact, and you scripting 
> *should* work out of the box. 
> 
> At that point, your next task will be to refactor your app to switch to a 
> database oriented app with single form layouts as opposed to multiple cards 
> as records. Getting the information out of your cards and into a database, 
> although not difficult, will have to be scripted. So far as I know, there is 
> nothing that can "automagically" do that for you. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 09:02 , Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, André,
>> I hope you still remember that we met in Las Vegas. I still use HyperCard 
>> and wonder if it has become easier to port HC-stacks to LiveCode? Do you 
>> know if there are any apps for that? And if not, would it be difficult to 
>> write them?
>> Regards
>> Ingar
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[kee nethery via use-livecode]

And I thought I was the last hold-out using Hypercard. Sold all my PPC Mac 
Minis.

Kee nethery
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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Devin Asay via use-livecode]

The authoritative guide for converting HyperCard stacks to LiveCode is still 
Jacque’s tutorial at https://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html

Devin

On Nov 30, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hello, André,
I hope you still remember that we met in Las Vegas. I still use HyperCard and 
wonder if it has become easier to port HC-stacks to LiveCode? Do you know if 
there are any apps for that? And if not, would it be difficult to write them?
Regards
Ingar

Sendt fra min iPhone

30. nov. 2018 kl. 14:41 skrev Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:

Kaveh,

I would work which lines should be shown and hidden inside a variable and then 
replace the whole field...

On 30/11/2018 13:07, Kaveh Bazargan wrote:
Yes Andre, that is the line that fixed it, in a split second :-)

But here is a follow-up: Now I want to hide all lines that have no text style 
and only show lines with colored text. I use:

repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of fld 1
 if the textcolor of line i of fld "text" is not empty then
set the hidden of line i of fld "text" to false
 end if
  end repeat

This is taking time too. Any suggestions how to speed this up?

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 12:12, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
> wrote:

  There is another tip here in this thread about

  set the hidden of line 1 to -1 of field "the field" to false

  As a single command, it might be better.

  On 30/11/2018 12:07, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
Thank you guys. I am always embarrassed to ask here as I know
  the answer is
a one liner!!

And Andre the screen was locked already. :-)

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:56, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
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Hi Andre,

Am 30.11.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Andre Alves Garzia via
  use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
  >:
tied locking the screen first?
tied AND locked?
Andre, you are hardcore! :-D

On 30/11/2018 10:33, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
I have a text field with some 3500 lines of text. I want to
  ensure all
lines are visible, as I have hidden some before. I use:

repeat with i = 1 the number of lines of fld 1
  set the hidden of line i of fld 1 to false
end repeat

This is taking over 1 minute to complete. I have tried
  removing all
styling
from the text so e.g. backgroundcolor is empty, etc. Same result.

Any suggestions pls?
Best

Klaus

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Re: LC-apps for HC

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I'll jump in here. 

Porting/opening Hypercard stacks is a convenience. The primary issue is that 
Hypercard was optimized to index every text of every card in a stack to make 
finding information easier. New records? New cards. 

Livecode? Not so much. In fact, not at all. There will be performance issues. 
But at least your field and button layouts will be intact, and you scripting 
*should* work out of the box. 

At that point, your next task will be to refactor your app to switch to a 
database oriented app with single form layouts as opposed to multiple cards as 
records. Getting the information out of your cards and into a database, 
although not difficult, will have to be scripted. So far as I know, there is 
nothing that can "automagically" do that for you. 

Bob S


> On Nov 30, 2018, at 09:02 , Ingar Roggen via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello, André,
> I hope you still remember that we met in Las Vegas. I still use HyperCard and 
> wonder if it has become easier to port HC-stacks to LiveCode? Do you know if 
> there are any apps for that? And if not, would it be difficult to write them?
> Regards
> Ingar

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LC-apps for HC

[Ingar Roggen via use-livecode]

Hello, André,
I hope you still remember that we met in Las Vegas. I still use HyperCard and 
wonder if it has become easier to port HC-stacks to LiveCode? Do you know if 
there are any apps for that? And if not, would it be difficult to write them?
Regards
Ingar

Sendt fra min iPhone

> 30. nov. 2018 kl. 14:41 skrev Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Kaveh,
> 
> I would work which lines should be shown and hidden inside a variable and 
> then replace the whole field...
> 
>> On 30/11/2018 13:07, Kaveh Bazargan wrote:
>> Yes Andre, that is the line that fixed it, in a split second :-)
>> 
>> But here is a follow-up: Now I want to hide all lines that have no text 
>> style and only show lines with colored text. I use:
>> 
>> repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of fld 1
>>   if the textcolor of line i of fld "text" is not empty then
>>  set the hidden of line i of fld "text" to false
>>   end if
>>end repeat
>> 
>> This is taking time too. Any suggestions how to speed this up?
>> 
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 12:12, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>There is another tip here in this thread about
>> 
>>set the hidden of line 1 to -1 of field "the field" to false
>> 
>>As a single command, it might be better.
>> 
>>On 30/11/2018 12:07, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Thank you guys. I am always embarrassed to ask here as I know
>>the answer is
>>> a one liner!!
>>>
>>> And Andre the screen was locked already. :-)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:56, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Andre,
>>>>
>>>>> Am 30.11.2018 um 12:48 schrieb Andre Alves Garzia via
>>use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>>:
>>>>> tied locking the screen first?
>>>> tied AND locked?
>>>> Andre, you are hardcore! :-D
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/11/2018 10:33, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
>> I have a text field with some 3500 lines of text. I want to
>>ensure all
>> lines are visible, as I have hidden some before. I use:
>>
>> repeat with i = 1 the number of lines of fld 1
>>set the hidden of line i of fld 1 to false
>> end repeat
>>
>> This is taking over 1 minute to complete. I have tried
>>removing all
>>>> styling
>> from the text so e.g. backgroundcolor is empty, etc. Same result.
>>
>> Any suggestions pls?
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Klaus
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Klaus Major
>>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>>> kl...@major-k.de 
>>>>
>>>>
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