Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-23 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Todd,

One thing that is REALLY missing is a widget to print from Android -
specifically Receipt printers preferably via bluetooth and via Wifi -
both for people out and about on business, either having a portable
printer.
It seems google cloudprint doesnt have any reciept printers
(epson/star/Fujitsu using the epson ESC protocol) on its list of
supported printers. So I am using 8 inch Windows 10 tablets for ease
of use - the customers don't care but I do.
I also  attach a printer to a windows tablet with an app running on
the tablet waiting for the information to print from the Android
tablet .

There are two ways of doing it that I can see.

1 - An app that is installed on the android tablet that you invoke
with a pdf of what needs to be printed - Worldwide developer market
for that - just look at stackoverflow -- which could bring new people
into the fold.
2. A widget priced on two levels with or without source although I
would open source this (but still charge - any developer who wouldn't
pay for it should be shot at dawn without a last meal) because many
people will add to the printers supported. If you can't or won't then
charge extra for the source code , cos as sure as eggs is eggs it will
need to be tweaked.

The other important widget is that for the Beacons which is on your
list - If you can give access to the low level routines in the widget
- or even create a script only stack that would mean more flexibility
so we can "override" certain defaults - unless you've thought of
everything ;-)

Thanks and good luck

Regard Lagi

On 22 February 2018 at 11:38, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode
 wrote:
> Thanks...But nobody gave any suggestions
>
>
> Roger Eller wrote: do you mean it should work on ANY of the
> "LiveCode-supported" platforms, both desktop and/or mobile?
>
> --Honestly, our main focus will be mobile at first, but our goal is all
> platforms. As you can see in the list, many are mobile issues that
> LiveCode currently has no access to.We will try but all platforms may come
> after we have completed the mobile and worked out the bugs for LCB.
>
>
> hh wrote: Please start with *cross-platform-native* widgets for all of the
> UI elements in
> the LC Tools (which all are "basic").
>
> --Yes, Ali has provided a good multiplatform example of a button. We are
> taking this example and creating a structure/template for all basic UI
> widgets.  This is our goal, but the #1 goal right now is mobile and getting
> them in a widget store for people to purchase and use. But before 2021
> should not be an issue. We need to get the LC platform access to Native
> functionality to the coders because the competition is doing this. We need
> it to get new members and keep existing community members.
>
> BTW HH, thanks for the LBC property sample app you did, it was helpful.
>
>
> --Todd
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-23 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
In my LiveCode Global team report in January.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 22/02/2018, 15:42, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Todd Fabacher wrote:
>
> > As Kevin announced before...
>
>Where was this announced?
>
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>  Fourth World Systems
>
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 02/22/2018 08:53 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:




On 23 Feb 2018, at 3:47 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:

The licensing is even weirder than that:

"This edition only allows you to use commercial extensions (including protected 
code) purchased through the LiveCode marketplace. You may not attempt to circumvent 
this restriction by using commercial extensions created elsewhere.”


Woops, forgot that bit. Not that weird though… the idea is an entry level that 
can also enjoy commercial extensions. We already have an entry level that can 
enjoy open source extensions ;-)


Yeah, I get that part. No worries.
I'm baffled, though, by the restriction on where you can get extensions.

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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode


> On 23 Feb 2018, at 3:47 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The licensing is even weirder than that:
> 
> "This edition only allows you to use commercial extensions (including 
> protected code) purchased through the LiveCode marketplace. You may not 
> attempt to circumvent this restriction by using commercial extensions created 
> elsewhere.”

Woops, forgot that bit. Not that weird though… the idea is an entry level that 
can also enjoy commercial extensions. We already have an entry level that can 
enjoy open source extensions ;-)

Cheers

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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 02/22/2018 08:22 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:


Poorly worded perhaps. The intent is the license requires user code to be open 
sourced and un-password protectable while the LC edition/engine itself is not. 
I must confess I don’t know much about the particulars of the license we have 
used, however, I know it permits commercial extensions and even password 
protected stacks (presuming the protection was done on indy or business) to be 
used.


The licensing is even weirder than that:

"This edition only allows you to use commercial extensions (including 
protected code) purchased through the LiveCode marketplace. You may not 
attempt to circumvent this restriction by using commercial extensions 
created elsewhere."


"This Licensed Edition is not compatible with the terms of the GPL and 
such software may not be incorporated or utilized with this Licensed 
Edition."


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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode


> On 23 Feb 2018, at 3:43 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Curious.  I searched for "license" on that page and couldn't find a link to 
> one.  Do you know where I might be able to review the license before 
> purchasing?

I’m not sure if our licenses are linked anywhere other than bundled with the 
app sorry.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Monte Goulding wrote:

>> On 23 Feb 2018, at 3:13 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> I'll be the first to admit I have a hard time keeping up with the
>> details that distinguish the various editions, but from the web site:
>>
>>   Just like LiveCode Community this is an open source edition of
>>   LiveCode and carries with it the same requirement for making your
>>   code open and shareable. Where it differs from the Open Source
>>   edition is in all of the extra goodies it comes with.
>>
>> https://livecode.com/products/community-plus-edition/
>>
>> ?
>
> Poorly worded perhaps. The intent is the license requires user code
> to be open sourced and un-password protectable while the LC
> edition/engine itself is not. I must confess I don’t know much about
> the particulars of the license we have used, however, I know it
> permits commercial extensions and even password protected stacks
> (presuming the protection was done on indy or business) to be used.

Thanks.

Curious.  I searched for "license" on that page and couldn't find a link 
to one.  Do you know where I might be able to review the license before 
purchasing?


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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode


> On 23 Feb 2018, at 3:13 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll be the first to admit I have a hard time keeping up with the details 
> that distinguish the various editions, but from the web site:
> 
>   Just like LiveCode Community this is an open source edition of
>   LiveCode and carries with it the same requirement for making your
>   code open and shareable. Where it differs from the Open Source
>   edition is in all of the extra goodies it comes with.
> 
> https://livecode.com/products/community-plus-edition/ 
> 
> 
> ?

Poorly worded perhaps. The intent is the license requires user code to be open 
sourced and un-password protectable while the LC edition/engine itself is not. 
I must confess I don’t know much about the particulars of the license we have 
used, however, I know it permits commercial extensions and even password 
protected stacks (presuming the protection was done on indy or business) to be 
used.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Monte Goulding wrote:
> Community Plus is not open source. The only open source edition
> of LiveCode is Community so you need to use extensions that are
> licensed with GPL 3 compatible licenses

I'll be the first to admit I have a hard time keeping up with the 
details that distinguish the various editions, but from the web site:


   Just like LiveCode Community this is an open source edition of
   LiveCode and carries with it the same requirement for making your
   code open and shareable. Where it differs from the Open Source
   edition is in all of the extra goodies it comes with.

https://livecode.com/products/community-plus-edition/

?

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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode


> On 23 Feb 2018, at 9:25 am, Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> TL;DR will we be able to use those commercial widgets in an open source 
> context? If so, which license would fit?

Hi Malte

Community Plus is not open source. The only open source edition of LiveCode is 
Community so you need to use extensions that are licensed with GPL 3 compatible 
licenses 
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses 


Cheers

Monte
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode
TL;DR will we be able to use those commercial widgets in an open source 
context? If so, which license would fit?

Hey Todd,

Hoping not to waste your time here. This might be a long mail and I am unsure 
if I am to hit the send button at all. Having had one too many this evening I 
finally find some time again to take a peek at what is happening in the 
LiveCode universe.  As nowadays I mostly only skim the lists I was about to 
wish you good luck thinking this will be nice stuff,  but not for me. Nowadays 
I do not code much anymore. No more commercial projects. Making ends meet as a 
consultant nowadays. I have the luxury to look after one project that must be 
released under an open source license. I would have no problem at all paying 
for widgets for the project, however in the end I will have to put the end 
result under an open source license (not necessarily GPL, this is enforced by 
the need that the community version must be able to be used.) I do own a LC 
Indy subscription. I have just learned that something like a community plus 
version exists. That made me actually curious. Because it seems that that 
version is like community, but may use commercial widgets! Do you know what 
license requirements the end result of a compile of such a version needs to 
meet? I would love to be able to use all the nice stuff. No trouble paying up 
if it is good. But what I realese using those widgets I am willing to pay for 
if I include them must be open source. Is there a solution to that? If that 
would be an option, I’ll more than happily switch from GPL3 to something else, 
but how would that work? Mothership?

Cheers,

Malte
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Paul Hibbert via use-livecode
Not sure this is feasible yet, I’m still in the early research stage, but I’ve 
just seen a point where one of the iOS apps that I built for my own personal 
use could be made much more useful if it could communicate with Apple Watch, 
it’s basically for quickly and easily recording times of certain events, so not 
very complex.

Could a widget be used for communicating with Apple Watch?

I appreciate the watch app would probably need to be built with Xcode or Swift, 
but if a LC app could communicate with it, that would be awesome and definitely 
worth paying for.

Paul

> On Feb 22, 2018, at 3:38 AM, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks...But nobody gave any suggestions

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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hey Todd, your suggestions for the widgets are as good as any that I may
have

The voice to speech is interesting to me, I'm assuming its a wrapper for
googles TTS API?

Thanks for your efforts and commitment to the community



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:32 PM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Todd F. wrote:
> > Yes, Ali has provided a good multiplatform example of a button. We are
> > taking this example and creating a structure/template for all basic UI
> > widgets. This is our goal, but the #1 goal right now is mobile and
> getting
> > them in a widget store for people to purchase and use. But before 2021
> > should not be an issue.
>
> You had always a lot of impressing reality-based ideas.
> But here you speak of non-existing widgets in a close to non-existing
> widgets
> centre (the word "store" has such a negative sound).
> Why not simply start with facts, an own "cross-platform-native" widget?
> One beyond a "Hello " example?
>
> > BTW HH, thanks for the LBC property sample app you did, it was helpful.
>
> If you mean the Controlkit: It is free, cross-platform, and there are
> around
> 100 downloads. Who should live from 100 downloads?
>
> Probably it is this crazy Apple world: Let people pay for a big part of
> hot air. And they will luckily buy it and praise that part of hot air.
> But Apple has the monopole for that.
>
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Todd F. wrote:
> Yes, Ali has provided a good multiplatform example of a button. We are
> taking this example and creating a structure/template for all basic UI
> widgets. This is our goal, but the #1 goal right now is mobile and getting
> them in a widget store for people to purchase and use. But before 2021
> should not be an issue.

You had always a lot of impressing reality-based ideas.
But here you speak of non-existing widgets in a close to non-existing widgets
centre (the word "store" has such a negative sound).
Why not simply start with facts, an own "cross-platform-native" widget?
One beyond a "Hello " example?

> BTW HH, thanks for the LBC property sample app you did, it was helpful.

If you mean the Controlkit: It is free, cross-platform, and there are around
100 downloads. Who should live from 100 downloads?

Probably it is this crazy Apple world: Let people pay for a big part of
hot air. And they will luckily buy it and praise that part of hot air.
But Apple has the monopole for that.


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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Todd Fabacher wrote:

> As Kevin announced before...

Where was this announced?

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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread AndyP via use-livecode
Maybe a bit off the wall, but, how about some non visual Android widgets.

Eg a widget for accessing Google Ad-mob which has a status of visible in the
ide but hidden in the compiled version. The properties are for your keys
etc.

Again for Google LeaderBoards etc.

As for visual.. look here https://framework7.io/

On the RHS is a running demo of all of the components which can be live
switched between Material and iOS ... should give you enough ideas :-)

Looking forward to your creations.

Andy






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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Todd,
that sounds really promising. Any ideas already if the “to be payed” widgets 
are offered as a yearly subscription or for a  time payment?

Widget request: A widget that allows to place an icon (including menu function) 
into the menu bar on Mac OSX or into the task bar on the right (don´t know the 
exact expression in english for that area) on Windows
I know LC already allows this on Windows, but a widget which supports both OSes 
would be better. So one has to code it once for both instead of coding it for 
each OS seperately.

Regards,
Matthias


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> Am 21.02.2018 um 22:10 schrieb Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Hello LiveCoders,
> 
> I hope all is going well. As Kevin announced before...Gurgen, myself, the
> DP team and the FANTASTIC  LiveCode team [providing wonderful support] are
> working on creating LCB widgets that will catapult the LC platform and
> improve productivity.
> 
> I have been in touch with a few people to get their ideas and needs, but I
> wanted to reach out and check with the community. At first, we have decided
> to focus these for round one:
> 
> Basic Native UI elements
> Native Maps
> Voice to Text
> Bluetooth Device Connection
> Beacons
> Security/Fingerprint
> Playing sound/music in the background when the phone sleeps like Spotify or
> iTunes.
> 
> For Phase Two we are looking at...
> BarCode Scanner & Maker
> Charts
> iCal like Calendar [Day, Week, Month, Year]
> Clipboard for mobile
> 
> We are mostly looking at creating many UI elements and functionality that
> is native and not accessible now and other widgets that will save days of
> coding by grouping functionality into one simple widget [with the difficult
> code encapsulated].
> 
> A few of the controls will be open sourced but the vast majority will be
> for sale at a reasonable price. Sorry, Gurgen and Team don't work for free
> and my landlord does not have an open source building, so please save the
> digital trees with replies of why we should be open source.
> 
> We are excited and will be working VERY hard. Good News, DP was VERY
> successful at the Seaside Summit in UEA. We also have two LiveCode based
> startups selected to be profiled at Collision Conference
> https://collisionconf.com  in April. One App is 
> coded for Android, iOS,
> Windows, MacOS, LINUX local Server & TV HDMI output and a big LiveCode
> Server implementation for the cloud. It uses TCP, UDP, HTTPS, and SFTP
> protocols. Extensive encryption and a distributed network that will have
> 200,000 simultaneous global users. WOW...all of this with one code base -
> that is the power of LiveCode.
> 
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-22 Thread Todd Fabacher via use-livecode
Thanks...But nobody gave any suggestions


Roger Eller wrote: do you mean it should work on ANY of the
"LiveCode-supported" platforms, both desktop and/or mobile?

--Honestly, our main focus will be mobile at first, but our goal is all
platforms. As you can see in the list, many are mobile issues that
LiveCode currently has no access to.We will try but all platforms may come
after we have completed the mobile and worked out the bugs for LCB.


hh wrote: Please start with *cross-platform-native* widgets for all of the
UI elements in
the LC Tools (which all are "basic").

--Yes, Ali has provided a good multiplatform example of a button. We are
taking this example and creating a structure/template for all basic UI
widgets.  This is our goal, but the #1 goal right now is mobile and getting
them in a widget store for people to purchase and use. But before 2021
should not be an issue. We need to get the LC platform access to Native
functionality to the coders because the competition is doing this. We need
it to get new members and keep existing community members.

BTW HH, thanks for the LBC property sample app you did, it was helpful.


--Todd
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-21 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
This is a wonderful development and should add tremendously to Livecode’s 
desirability as a development platform.

Bill P

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http://es.earthednet.org

On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:56 PM, hh via use-livecode 
 wrote:

>> Todd F. wrote:
>> I have been in touch with a few people to get their ideas and needs,
>> but I wanted to reach out and check with the community.
>> At first, wehave decided to focus these for round one:
>> Basic Native UI elements, Native Maps  
> 
> Please start with *cross-platform-native* widgets for all of the UI elements 
> in
> the LC Tools (which all are "basic").
> 
> Alone reaching that single target before 2021 would be a little wonder.
> 
> I admire what is possible already now with LCB. Alone the problem are not 
> missing
> ideas/unknown needs but it is the still experimental state of LCB.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-21 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Todd F. wrote:
> I have been in touch with a few people to get their ideas and needs,
> but I wanted to reach out and check with the community.
> At first, wehave decided to focus these for round one:
> Basic Native UI elements, Native Maps  

Please start with *cross-platform-native* widgets for all of the UI elements in
the LC Tools (which all are "basic").

Alone reaching that single target before 2021 would be a little wonder.

I admire what is possible already now with LCB. Alone the problem are not 
missing
ideas/unknown needs but it is the still experimental state of LCB.




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Re: LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-21 Thread Roger Eller via use-livecode
This sounds fantastic!!!  I have to ask, when you say "Native", do you mean
it should work on ANY of the "LiveCode-supported" platforms, both desktop
and/or mobile?

~Roger


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello LiveCoders,
>
> I hope all is going well. As Kevin announced before...Gurgen, myself, the
> DP team and the FANTASTIC  LiveCode team [providing wonderful support] are
> working on creating LCB widgets that will catapult the LC platform and
> improve productivity.
>
> I have been in touch with a few people to get their ideas and needs, but I
> wanted to reach out and check with the community. At first, we have decided
> to focus these for round one:
>
> Basic Native UI elements
> Native Maps
> Voice to Text
> Bluetooth Device Connection
> Beacons
> Security/Fingerprint
> Playing sound/music in the background when the phone sleeps like Spotify or
> iTunes.
>
> For Phase Two we are looking at...
> BarCode Scanner & Maker
> Charts
> iCal like Calendar [Day, Week, Month, Year]
> Clipboard for mobile
>
> We are mostly looking at creating many UI elements and functionality that
> is native and not accessible now and other widgets that will save days of
> coding by grouping functionality into one simple widget [with the difficult
> code encapsulated].
>
> A few of the controls will be open sourced but the vast majority will be
> for sale at a reasonable price. Sorry, Gurgen and Team don't work for free
> and my landlord does not have an open source building, so please save the
> digital trees with replies of why we should be open source.
>
> We are excited and will be working VERY hard. Good News, DP was VERY
> successful at the Seaside Summit in UEA. We also have two LiveCode based
> startups selected to be profiled at Collision Conference
> https://collisionconf.com in April. One App is coded for Android, iOS,
> Windows, MacOS, LINUX local Server & TV HDMI output and a big LiveCode
> Server implementation for the cloud. It uses TCP, UDP, HTTPS, and SFTP
> protocols. Extensive encryption and a distributed network that will have
> 200,000 simultaneous global users. WOW...all of this with one code base -
> that is the power of LiveCode.
>
> --DP & LC teams
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LiveCode Widget Factory

2018-02-21 Thread Todd Fabacher via use-livecode
Hello LiveCoders,

I hope all is going well. As Kevin announced before...Gurgen, myself, the
DP team and the FANTASTIC  LiveCode team [providing wonderful support] are
working on creating LCB widgets that will catapult the LC platform and
improve productivity.

I have been in touch with a few people to get their ideas and needs, but I
wanted to reach out and check with the community. At first, we have decided
to focus these for round one:

Basic Native UI elements
Native Maps
Voice to Text
Bluetooth Device Connection
Beacons
Security/Fingerprint
Playing sound/music in the background when the phone sleeps like Spotify or
iTunes.

For Phase Two we are looking at...
BarCode Scanner & Maker
Charts
iCal like Calendar [Day, Week, Month, Year]
Clipboard for mobile

We are mostly looking at creating many UI elements and functionality that
is native and not accessible now and other widgets that will save days of
coding by grouping functionality into one simple widget [with the difficult
code encapsulated].

A few of the controls will be open sourced but the vast majority will be
for sale at a reasonable price. Sorry, Gurgen and Team don't work for free
and my landlord does not have an open source building, so please save the
digital trees with replies of why we should be open source.

We are excited and will be working VERY hard. Good News, DP was VERY
successful at the Seaside Summit in UEA. We also have two LiveCode based
startups selected to be profiled at Collision Conference
https://collisionconf.com in April. One App is coded for Android, iOS,
Windows, MacOS, LINUX local Server & TV HDMI output and a big LiveCode
Server implementation for the cloud. It uses TCP, UDP, HTTPS, and SFTP
protocols. Extensive encryption and a distributed network that will have
200,000 simultaneous global users. WOW...all of this with one code base -
that is the power of LiveCode.

--DP & LC teams
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