Re: M1 Mac mini for LC: First Impressions
Ralph: > I have to make a decision on what Mac to get. > I don't need a laptop so a Mac mini > is definitely a lower cost option for me. I say go for it; no regrets here. My purpose is LC dev/test machine, and it will fit that role perfectly. I already had that old Mac mini, and the new one accepted the same cords. Same screen, keyboard, mouse. Quick swap. I'll still be primarily on the PC laptop, but the new Mac makes testing a breeze, and good Mac-specific dev when needed. Not swooning, but I do really like it. :) Made in Malaysia - pretty cool. (I used to play badminton with some Malaysians. They taught me a badass spike to dominate it. Before that, no idea people could spike in badminton!) Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: M1 Mac mini for LC: First Impressions
Curry, Thanks for the benchmark/compatibility report. I just updated my early 2015 15" MacBook to Catalina. It's an unsupported upgrade(using dosdude's patcher). It works but is dog slow. There will be no going to Big Sur so I have to make a decision on what Mac to get. I don't need a laptop so a Mac mini is definitely a lower cost option for me. Keep us updated... Thanks! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2021 4:28 PM To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Cc: Curry Kenworthy Subject: M1 Mac mini for LC: First Impressions I'm finally getting a chance to post this, after setting up a brand new Mac mini recently to replace my old 2012 Mac mini. It's all about LC work, of course Origin: Made in Malaysia. If you need a Mac Not-Made-in-China, and can't afford Mac Pro, this is it! (Ethically sourcing my hardware now.) Hardware Design: Compact but roomy. Ports are sufficient and easy to access. Allows the standard PC peripherals: good options, ergonomics, and reliability. Packaging Design: Ergonomically Retarded. Perfectly flush square shrinkwrapped box, sans grips, sans gaps, sans common sense. Careful not to drop your new investment! Hardware Setup: Smooth and painless. Accepted my old USB and HDMI connections. Had me press 2 keys to identify keyboard. System Software Setup: Not bad; about 15 minutes. Wifi on first try. Set up without an Apple account! Disabled most privacy/performance concerns easily, so running fairly optimized and safe from Day One. Big Sur System Software Design: We'll see. I've been a critic of Apple's hypocrisy (violating their own previous HIG principles) so I'll save that for Second Impressions. Hoping their UI has improved a bit finally. Livecode: Big download! (LC is always chubby on Mac.) Licensed on first try. First run installed Rosetta, which went smoothly, and is seamless so far. M1 Chip with LC: Snappy but not amazing. In fact, my i5 budget Windows laptop was faster on the only task I've timed. (Factoring in Rosetta, probably similar.) But I already had modest expectations. No additional glitches so far versus Intel. Overall: Solid "budget-ish" machine for LC Mac dev. Happy to be running Apple's latest HW/SW for a change; it will have a good impact on addons and client projects. (Including new WordLib and WordReport updates.) I'll post again on M1 and Big Sur with LC after more use. Hope this is helpful for anyone in the same boat I was. :) Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: M1 Mac mini for LC: First Impressions
Keith: > Very good to see this thoughtful list > of your reactions and feelings. Glad you liked it! I'll do a follow-up in a few weeks. Yes, "feelings" are wonderful ... Especially the kind measured to the nearest millisecond. Those are my kind. LiveCode felt that my M1 Mac was ms slower than my i5 PC, on the same task/code/data. (A hard fact, not an impression.) > rather promising for the future. :-O I certainly hope so! The flip side is: a bit less promising for the present, but I had very modest expectations. Quite glad it worked at all! No glitches. That in itself was cause for great joy. (Huge smile on my face that day.) > It will be fascinating to see how > performance improves with a native > Apple silicon build of LC Yep, native code would help. Roughly equal, I'd say in the meantime, for the two chips in question; yet the i5 wins in the current setup. (Easy to guess which machine is still my primary.) Just as importantly, this was only 1 test so it's not a comprehensive comparison. But a good test nonetheless. It will be interesting as they develop. Look lively, may the best chip win! ;) Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: M1 Mac mini for LC: First Impressions
> On 1 Aug 2021, at 21:28, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > wrote: > > M1 Chip with LC: Snappy but not amazing. > In fact, my i5 budget Windows laptop > was faster on the only task I've timed. Very good to see this thoughtful list of your reactions and feelings. It will be fascinating to see how performance improves with a native Apple silicon build of LC, whenever that happens. In one sense it’s pretty damn impressive that things feel ‘just snappy’ in emulation, so for me it’s only mildly disappointing that it seems slower than your budget Win laptop and rather promising for the future. :-O k ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
M1 Mac mini for LC: First Impressions
I'm finally getting a chance to post this, after setting up a brand new Mac mini recently to replace my old 2012 Mac mini. It's all about LC work, of course Origin: Made in Malaysia. If you need a Mac Not-Made-in-China, and can't afford Mac Pro, this is it! (Ethically sourcing my hardware now.) Hardware Design: Compact but roomy. Ports are sufficient and easy to access. Allows the standard PC peripherals: good options, ergonomics, and reliability. Packaging Design: Ergonomically Retarded. Perfectly flush square shrinkwrapped box, sans grips, sans gaps, sans common sense. Careful not to drop your new investment! Hardware Setup: Smooth and painless. Accepted my old USB and HDMI connections. Had me press 2 keys to identify keyboard. System Software Setup: Not bad; about 15 minutes. Wifi on first try. Set up without an Apple account! Disabled most privacy/performance concerns easily, so running fairly optimized and safe from Day One. Big Sur System Software Design: We'll see. I've been a critic of Apple's hypocrisy (violating their own previous HIG principles) so I'll save that for Second Impressions. Hoping their UI has improved a bit finally. Livecode: Big download! (LC is always chubby on Mac.) Licensed on first try. First run installed Rosetta, which went smoothly, and is seamless so far. M1 Chip with LC: Snappy but not amazing. In fact, my i5 budget Windows laptop was faster on the only task I've timed. (Factoring in Rosetta, probably similar.) But I already had modest expectations. No additional glitches so far versus Intel. Overall: Solid "budget-ish" machine for LC Mac dev. Happy to be running Apple's latest HW/SW for a change; it will have a good impact on addons and client projects. (Including new WordLib and WordReport updates.) I'll post again on M1 and Big Sur with LC after more use. Hope this is helpful for anyone in the same boat I was. :) Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
