Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
Mark Schonewille wrote: > I got it running in 5 minutes. The guy who uploaded it says he has > removed all references to passwords. I have no idea why this was a > problem for him, but it is nice that he returned the modified files > as required by the oss licence. Depends on the license. And in this case the code wasn't password-protected so that was never a concern at all. The thread Mark linked to has the full backstory, but to address those two points here: - MC IDE was released by MetaCard Corp. under the MIT License, which is not only GPL-compatible but also allows use in proprietary works. We felt that was a good choice in case someone might want to use some of the IDE components, and since the "Ask Dialog" and other resources could be copied into a standalone it would be a necessity in such cases. GPL compatibility was just a nice extra; MC IDE went open source about a decade before the LC Community edition was announced, so of course we had know way to know that GPL compatibility would one day also be useful for running with that engine. - The code was open; we were encrypting data. We were storing prefs data in a stack file, and had a longer-term strategy of allowing plugins to use the same API. Since it's possible some data might be sensitive, it made sense to at least encrypt that data stack file on disk so other programs wouldn't be able to read it easily. What Bogs encountered wasn't locked code, just an error thrown by the LC Community engine when it encountered the line that set the password of the data stack. Since all scripts are open, he was able to just remove that and now, as you've seen, it works well. Of course today we have the encrypt and decrypt commands, so if I were doing that now I'd store an encrypted serialized array instead. In fact, now that arrays can be serialized (added late in the game for us graybeards in v3.5 ) I rarely use stack files for storing data anymore, except in the rare cases where I need to store LC objects. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
On 7/8/17 10:17 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: On 07/08/2017 11:51 AM, Mark Schonewille via use-livecode wrote: I got it running in 5 minutes. The guy who uploaded it says he has removed all references to passwords. I have no idea why this was a problem for him, but it is nice that he returned the modified files as required by the oss licence. The forum post has the details, but the tl;dr is that the community build of LiveCode doesn't (can't) support password-protected stacks. I'm not really worried about that at all as I am 100% content with the LC IDE (well, the 7.1.4 one anyway), and just want to show the MetaCard IDE to my Summer programming pupils. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
On 07/08/2017 11:51 AM, Mark Schonewille via use-livecode wrote: I got it running in 5 minutes. The guy who uploaded it says he has removed all references to passwords. I have no idea why this was a problem for him, but it is nice that he returned the modified files as required by the oss licence. The forum post has the details, but the tl;dr is that the community build of LiveCode doesn't (can't) support password-protected stacks. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
I got it running in 5 minutes. The guy who uploaded it says he has removed all references to passwords. I have no idea why this was a problem for him, but it is nice that he returned the modified files as required by the oss licence. Verzonden door BlueMail Op 8 jul. 2017 19:40, om 19:40, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode schreef: >I have just received a note that a new file has been uploaded to >the MetaCard Yahoo group: > >https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MC_IDE/conversations/messages > >from an email address rdbar...@sbcglobal.net > >This purports to be a new version of the mchome file . . . > >However I feel uncomfortable about it for a number of reasons: > >1. Who is "rdbar814" ? > >2. Why is there no adequate explanation as to what it really does, >because as far as I know >there is no way to get metaCard running with an LC 8 or 9 engine? > >I have downloaded the ZIP file onto my Macintosh, but seriously wonder >about the wisdom of unzipping it. > >Richmond. >___ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
OK: I'll give the thing a try. Richmond. On 7/8/17 9:23 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: On 07/08/2017 10:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: The backgroundInformation still does not explain where or who this new file comes from. Well, yes. It does. rdba...@sbcglobal.net is the new moderator of the MC group. Only the moderator(s) can post files in the group. Or, for that matter, post any messages to the group. And as you might read in the forum post, the new MC build in the zip file works with LC8/9. And given that this is the first new MC build in six years, this might be a Big Deal. As Richard Gaskin points out in the forum post, it's the only *real* alternative IDE for the LC engine. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
On 07/08/2017 10:49 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: The backgroundInformation still does not explain where or who this new file comes from. Well, yes. It does. rdba...@sbcglobal.net is the new moderator of the MC group. Only the moderator(s) can post files in the group. Or, for that matter, post any messages to the group. And as you might read in the forum post, the new MC build in the zip file works with LC8/9. And given that this is the first new MC build in six years, this might be a Big Deal. As Richard Gaskin points out in the forum post, it's the only *real* alternative IDE for the LC engine. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
The backgroundInformation still does not explain where or who this new file comes from. Richmond. On 7/8/17 8:44 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: On 07/08/2017 10:39 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I have just received a note that a new file has been uploaded to the MetaCard Yahoo group: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MC_IDE/conversations/messages from an email address rdbar...@sbcglobal.net This purports to be a new version of the mchome file . . . However I feel uncomfortable about it for a number of reasons: 1. Who is "rdbar814" ? 2. Why is there no adequate explanation as to what it really does, because as far as I know there is no way to get metaCard running with an LC 8 or 9 engine? I have downloaded the ZIP file onto my Macintosh, but seriously wonder about the wisdom of unzipping it. Well, I have to commend you on your caution. But here's the background information: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2051 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mysterious new MetaCard file
On 07/08/2017 10:39 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I have just received a note that a new file has been uploaded to the MetaCard Yahoo group: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MC_IDE/conversations/messages from an email address rdbar...@sbcglobal.net This purports to be a new version of the mchome file . . . However I feel uncomfortable about it for a number of reasons: 1. Who is "rdbar814" ? 2. Why is there no adequate explanation as to what it really does, because as far as I know there is no way to get metaCard running with an LC 8 or 9 engine? I have downloaded the ZIP file onto my Macintosh, but seriously wonder about the wisdom of unzipping it. Well, I have to commend you on your caution. But here's the background information: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2051 -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Mysterious new MetaCard file
I have just received a note that a new file has been uploaded to the MetaCard Yahoo group: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MC_IDE/conversations/messages from an email address rdbar...@sbcglobal.net This purports to be a new version of the mchome file . . . However I feel uncomfortable about it for a number of reasons: 1. Who is "rdbar814" ? 2. Why is there no adequate explanation as to what it really does, because as far as I know there is no way to get metaCard running with an LC 8 or 9 engine? I have downloaded the ZIP file onto my Macintosh, but seriously wonder about the wisdom of unzipping it. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
