Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-20 Thread Jim sims 
I've used Kagi for years. Excellent, experienced service.
Kai was or is a Rev user, used to post to this list.

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On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Graham Samuel <livf...@mac.com> wrote:

> Camm, that is really good info! It makes a cast-iron case for using
> someone like KAGI, as far as I can see. The whole system seems to me to be
> bureaucratic and obstructive, but there it is. Thanks for this link.
>
> Graham
>
>
> > On 20 Mar 2016, at 17:40, Camm <cam...@tesco.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > All ,
> >
> > Just to be clear the EU VAT change Jan 2016 applies to even 1 download
> if sold to any EU member state customer at their current VAT rate.
> > It applies to any digital product that is downloaded with no physical
> fulfilment , its defined by "minimal user input to obtain download" so even
> if you sale licence keys the new rules apply.
> >
> > Simple flowchart :-
> >
> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/415931/VAT_MOSS_Flow_chart_FSB_edit_V1_0.pdf
> >
> > Camm
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Warren Samples
> > Sent: 17 March 2016 23:25
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> > Subject: Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?
> >
> > On 03/17/2016 01:06 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> >> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with
> >> LC, obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales...He’s
> >> in the US
> >>
> >> ..sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no physical
> fulfilment...I am not sure about the US.
> >
> > There is no sales tax charged for any online sales in the US except for
> sales to customers located within a state where the vendor has a physical
> office or point of sale. Your stateside partner probably knows this
> already. As far as software with no physical delivery goes, it could be
> considered several different ways which will vary from state to state but
> again you are only concerned with how the state where he is qualifies it.
> Ask your partner to contact the revenue department of the state in which he
> resides and ask them how to proceed. That would be the only state where you
> have any possible obligation and even then, depending on how your
> partnership/company is structured and how they consider this kind of
> product, you might not have any at all.
> >
> >
> > https://www.sba.gov/content/collecting-sales-tax-over-internet
> >
> > http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/businesstaxes/f/onlinesalestax.htm
> >
> > http://www.inc.com/articles/2003/10/salestax.html
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Warren
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Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-20 Thread Graham Samuel 
Camm, that is really good info! It makes a cast-iron case for using someone 
like KAGI, as far as I can see. The whole system seems to me to be bureaucratic 
and obstructive, but there it is. Thanks for this link.

Graham


> On 20 Mar 2016, at 17:40, Camm <cam...@tesco.net> wrote:
> 
> All ,
> 
> Just to be clear the EU VAT change Jan 2016 applies to even 1 download if 
> sold to any EU member state customer at their current VAT rate.
> It applies to any digital product that is downloaded with no physical 
> fulfilment , its defined by "minimal user input to obtain download" so even 
> if you sale licence keys the new rules apply.
> 
> Simple flowchart :-
> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/415931/VAT_MOSS_Flow_chart_FSB_edit_V1_0.pdf
> 
> Camm
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of Warren Samples
> Sent: 17 March 2016 23:25
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?
> 
> On 03/17/2016 01:06 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with 
>> LC, obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales...He’s 
>> in the US
>> 
>> ..sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no physical 
>> fulfilment...I am not sure about the US.
> 
> There is no sales tax charged for any online sales in the US except for sales 
> to customers located within a state where the vendor has a physical office or 
> point of sale. Your stateside partner probably knows this already. As far as 
> software with no physical delivery goes, it could be considered several 
> different ways which will vary from state to state but again you are only 
> concerned with how the state where he is qualifies it. Ask your partner to 
> contact the revenue department of the state in which he resides and ask them 
> how to proceed. That would be the only state where you have any possible 
> obligation and even then, depending on how your partnership/company is 
> structured and how they consider this kind of product, you might not have any 
> at all.
> 
> 
> https://www.sba.gov/content/collecting-sales-tax-over-internet
> 
> http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/businesstaxes/f/onlinesalestax.htm
> 
> http://www.inc.com/articles/2003/10/salestax.html
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Warren
> 
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RE: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-20 Thread Camm 
All ,

Just to be clear the EU VAT change Jan 2016 applies to even 1 download if sold 
to any EU member state customer at their current VAT rate.
It applies to any digital product that is downloaded with no physical 
fulfilment , its defined by "minimal user input to obtain download" so even if 
you sale licence keys the new rules apply.

Simple flowchart :-
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/415931/VAT_MOSS_Flow_chart_FSB_edit_V1_0.pdf

Camm


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Warren Samples
Sent: 17 March 2016 23:25
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

On 03/17/2016 01:06 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with 
> LC, obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales...He’s 
> in the US
>
> ..sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no physical 
> fulfilment...I am not sure about the US.

There is no sales tax charged for any online sales in the US except for sales 
to customers located within a state where the vendor has a physical office or 
point of sale. Your stateside partner probably knows this already. As far as 
software with no physical delivery goes, it could be considered several 
different ways which will vary from state to state but again you are only 
concerned with how the state where he is qualifies it. Ask your partner to 
contact the revenue department of the state in which he resides and ask them 
how to proceed. That would be the only state where you have any possible 
obligation and even then, depending on how your partnership/company is 
structured and how they consider this kind of product, you might not have any 
at all.


https://www.sba.gov/content/collecting-sales-tax-over-internet

http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/businesstaxes/f/onlinesalestax.htm

http://www.inc.com/articles/2003/10/salestax.html

Good luck!

Warren

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Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-19 Thread Matthias Rebbe 


> Am 17.03.2016 um 22:45 schrieb Graham Samuel  >:
> 
> Thanks to Matthias and Camm for your quick replies.
> 
> Matthias, your method looks like a very good solution to me, especially as we 
> have already decided to use Zygodact.
> 
> I have more questions, for example about the link between KAGI and a web site 
> which describes the product and offers a ‘contact us’ service etc - you have 
> this; but I couldn’t understand how that works from my first look at the KAGI 
> site. I also think you do your own fulfilment - providing the actual 
> downloads to the user - although I see that KAGI offers to do it, presumably 
> for a fee. I’d like to know how you made that decision.
> 

I am using KAGI only for the order process which includes the ordering, payment 
and delivering the serial key be email to the customer.

The reasons why my website offers the download of the software are that i have 
the website anyway and my software can be used in demo mode until it´s 
unlocked. So the user can download and try before buy. When the users decide to 
buy, they can either click on my website the link to my KAGI shop or click in 
my software a “purchase” button which then opens the link to my KAGI shop  in 
the default browser.
If you haven´t a website then maybe using KAGI for providing the download of 
your software might be a solution. 

But for me that was never an option, because updates of my software are 
available for download immediately after i uploaded it to my server. 
Maybe this would also be the fact using KAGI for storing the software, but i do 
not know.

Btw, Kagi is providing you a template stack which you have to modify a little 
bit (adding the key generator stack and calling it and so on) to get it working 
with Zygodact. If you need further information how i managed that, please let 
me know. If this of interest for others in the list we can discuss it here or 
just send me an email offlist.

Matthias








> If you haven’t the time to explain this in more detail I will just start 
> talking to KAGI - but of course it’s really interesting to hear from someone 
> in the LiveCode community.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 19:55, Matthias Rebbe > > wrote:
>> 
>> Graham,
>> 
>> if you want to go the save way, then you should consider using a service 
>> like Fastspring, KAGI or other.
>> They will fulfill the complete order,payment and deliver process for you 
>> including VAT if applicable. 
>> 
>> You will get your earnings and do not have to think about VAT.
>> 
>> Since 1st January as an european reseller  you have to use the VAT-rate of 
>> the  buyers country when selling digital products like videostreaming, 
>> licenses, downloads or whatever.
>> Before that date you could use the VAT-Rate of your country. At least here 
>> in Germany the 1st January was the deadline. I am not sure if all european 
>> countries already made this mandatory , but it is a european wide thing.
>> 
>> Because of this regulation i switched to KAGI and do not have to worry about 
>> the VAT stuff. 
>> 
>> Btw. if you want to protect your app you should think about Zygodact 
>> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
>>  
>> > > . It provides you an 
>> very easy to use registration serial key system to your LiveCode standalone 
>> or stack. It creates for each app a separate registration stack and a key 
>> generator stack.
>> 
>> I am using Zygodact with KAGI order system. KAGI´s order system supports 
>> Livecode stacks. So after successful payment KAGI automatically  to creates 
>> the registration key using a stack with key generator substack and sends out 
>> the registration info to the customer.  That works like a charm.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 17.03.2016 um 19:06 schrieb Graham Samuel >>  >>:
>>> 
>>> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with LC, 
>>> obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales, rather than 
>>> selling via an agent or an app store type of arrangement. He’s in the US 
>>> and I’m in the UK, or at any rate the EU. 
>>> 
>>> I think that if I sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no 
>>> physical fulfilment, I won’t have to charge sales tax anywhere in the 
>>> European Union. But I am not sure about the US. It seems that some states 
>>> charge sales tax on everything, while others (California, perhaps?) don’t 
>>> charge if there is no physical fulfilment. I am not sure if the volume (or 
>>> more accurately, the total value of sales per year) comes into it or not. 
>>> It certainly does in

Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-19 Thread Graham Samuel 
Thanks to Matthias and Camm for your quick replies.

Matthias, your method looks like a very good solution to me, especially as we 
have already decided to use Zygodact.

I have more questions, for example about the link between KAGI and a web site 
which describes the product and offers a ‘contact us’ service etc - you have 
this; but I couldn’t understand how that works from my first look at the KAGI 
site. I also think you do your own fulfilment - providing the actual downloads 
to the user - although I see that KAGI offers to do it, presumably for a fee. 
I’d like to know how you made that decision.

If you haven’t the time to explain this in more detail I will just start 
talking to KAGI - but of course it’s really interesting to hear from someone in 
the LiveCode community.

Regards

Graham

> On 17 Mar 2016, at 19:55, Matthias Rebbe  
> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> if you want to go the save way, then you should consider using a service like 
> Fastspring, KAGI or other.
> They will fulfill the complete order,payment and deliver process for you 
> including VAT if applicable. 
> 
> You will get your earnings and do not have to think about VAT.
> 
> Since 1st January as an european reseller  you have to use the VAT-rate of 
> the  buyers country when selling digital products like videostreaming, 
> licenses, downloads or whatever.
> Before that date you could use the VAT-Rate of your country. At least here in 
> Germany the 1st January was the deadline. I am not sure if all european 
> countries already made this mandatory , but it is a european wide thing.
> 
> Because of this regulation i switched to KAGI and do not have to worry about 
> the VAT stuff. 
> 
> Btw. if you want to protect your app you should think about Zygodact 
> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
>  . It provides you an 
> very easy to use registration serial key system to your LiveCode standalone 
> or stack. It creates for each app a separate registration stack and a key 
> generator stack.
> 
> I am using Zygodact with KAGI order system. KAGI´s order system supports 
> Livecode stacks. So after successful payment KAGI automatically  to creates 
> the registration key using a stack with key generator substack and sends out 
> the registration info to the customer.  That works like a charm.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 17.03.2016 um 19:06 schrieb Graham Samuel > >:
>> 
>> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with LC, 
>> obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales, rather than 
>> selling via an agent or an app store type of arrangement. He’s in the US and 
>> I’m in the UK, or at any rate the EU. 
>> 
>> I think that if I sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no 
>> physical fulfilment, I won’t have to charge sales tax anywhere in the 
>> European Union. But I am not sure about the US. It seems that some states 
>> charge sales tax on everything, while others (California, perhaps?) don’t 
>> charge if there is no physical fulfilment. I am not sure if the volume (or 
>> more accurately, the total value of sales per year) comes into it or not. It 
>> certainly does in Europe.
>> 
>> Some people on this list are selling apps, stacks etc in this way - can 
>> anyone explain how they see this? 
>> 
>> This may not be the right place to discuss the issue, but looking at the 
>> only forum topic which seems close - ‘Marketing Your Products’ - it seems 
>> pretty dead.
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
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Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-19 Thread Camm 
I sell from the UK and went over to FastSpring due to the new VAT rules for 
downloads.
Works fine and no worries about VAT.
You can select to show the applicable VAT charge up front or at added at 
checkout for the customer.
Then all you need to do is declare Wholesale Sales from FastSpring as earnings.
Of course there are fees per transaction but its worth it !
I assume KAGI and others are similar.

Regards
Camm

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From: "Matthias Rebbe" <matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de>
To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, 17 March, 2016 6:55:09 PM
Subject: Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

Graham,

if you want to go the save way, then you should consider using a service like 
Fastspring, KAGI or other.
They will fulfill the complete order,payment and deliver process for you 
including VAT if applicable. 

You will get your earnings and do not have to think about VAT.

Since 1st January as an european reseller  you have to use the VAT-rate of the  
buyers country when selling digital products like videostreaming, licenses, 
downloads or whatever.
Before that date you could use the VAT-Rate of your country. At least here in 
Germany the 1st January was the deadline. I am not sure if all european 
countries already made this mandatory , but it is a european wide thing.

Because of this regulation i switched to KAGI and do not have to worry about 
the VAT stuff. 

Btw. if you want to protect your app you should think about Zygodact 
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html> . It provides you an 
very easy to use registration serial key system to your LiveCode standalone or 
stack. It creates for each app a separate registration stack and a key 
generator stack.

I am using Zygodact with KAGI order system. KAGI´s order system supports 
Livecode stacks. So after successful payment KAGI automatically  to creates the 
registration key using a stack with key generator substack and sends out the 
registration info to the customer.  That works like a charm.

Regards,

Matthias



> Am 17.03.2016 um 19:06 schrieb Graham Samuel <livf...@mac.com 
> <mailto:livf...@mac.com>>:
> 
> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with LC, 
> obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales, rather than 
> selling via an agent or an app store type of arrangement. He’s in the US and 
> I’m in the UK, or at any rate the EU. 
> 
> I think that if I sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no 
> physical fulfilment, I won’t have to charge sales tax anywhere in the 
> European Union. But I am not sure about the US. It seems that some states 
> charge sales tax on everything, while others (California, perhaps?) don’t 
> charge if there is no physical fulfilment. I am not sure if the volume (or 
> more accurately, the total value of sales per year) comes into it or not. It 
> certainly does in Europe.
> 
> Some people on this list are selling apps, stacks etc in this way - can 
> anyone explain how they see this? 
> 
> This may not be the right place to discuss the issue, but looking at the only 
> forum topic which seems close - ‘Marketing Your Products’ - it seems pretty 
> dead.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-19 Thread Graham Samuel 
I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with LC, 
obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales, rather than 
selling via an agent or an app store type of arrangement. He’s in the US and 
I’m in the UK, or at any rate the EU. 

I think that if I sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no 
physical fulfilment, I won’t have to charge sales tax anywhere in the European 
Union. But I am not sure about the US. It seems that some states charge sales 
tax on everything, while others (California, perhaps?) don’t charge if there is 
no physical fulfilment. I am not sure if the volume (or more accurately, the 
total value of sales per year) comes into it or not. It certainly does in 
Europe.

Some people on this list are selling apps, stacks etc in this way - can anyone 
explain how they see this? 

This may not be the right place to discuss the issue, but looking at the only 
forum topic which seems close - ‘Marketing Your Products’ - it seems pretty 
dead.

TIA

Graham
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Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-19 Thread FlexibleLearning.com 
The key word in the new rules for EU VAT is "automated". If your software or
a serial key is manually issued by email, the sale is not automated and not
within the scope of the regulations...

https://whitehall-admin.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/
uploads/attachment_data/file/415931/VAT_MOSS_Flow_chart_FSB_edit_V1_0.pdf

This is my understanding.

Hugh Senior

 
> I sell from the UK and went over to FastSpring due to the new VAT rules
for
> downloads.
> Works fine and no worries about VAT.
> You can select to show the applicable VAT charge up front or at added at
> checkout for the customer.
> Then all you need to do is declare Wholesale Sales from FastSpring as
> earnings.
> Of course there are fees per transaction but its worth it !
> I assume KAGI and others are similar.
> 
> Regards
> Camm


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Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-19 Thread Mark Schonewille 
About VAT: small companies can ignore the new rules. Check the tables on the 
website of your tax office for threshold values. 

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Op 17 mrt. 2016 om 19:55 heeft Matthias Rebbe 
 het volgende geschreven:

> Graham,
> 
> if you want to go the save way, then you should consider using a service like 
> Fastspring, KAGI or other.
> They will fulfill the complete order,payment and deliver process for you 
> including VAT if applicable. 
> 
> You will get your earnings and do not have to think about VAT.
> 
> Since 1st January as an european reseller  you have to use the VAT-rate of 
> the  buyers country when selling digital products like videostreaming, 
> licenses, downloads or whatever.
> Before that date you could use the VAT-Rate of your country. At least here in 
> Germany the 1st January was the deadline. I am not sure if all european 
> countries already made this mandatory , but it is a european wide thing.
> 
> Because of this regulation i switched to KAGI and do not have to worry about 
> the VAT stuff. 
> 
> Btw. if you want to protect your app you should think about Zygodact 
> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
>  . It provides you an 
> very easy to use registration serial key system to your LiveCode standalone 
> or stack. It creates for each app a separate registration stack and a key 
> generator stack.
> 
> I am using Zygodact with KAGI order system. KAGI´s order system supports 
> Livecode stacks. So after successful payment KAGI automatically  to creates 
> the registration key using a stack with key generator substack and sends out 
> the registration info to the customer.  That works like a charm.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 17.03.2016 um 19:06 schrieb Graham Samuel > >:
>> 
>> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with LC, 
>> obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales, rather than 
>> selling via an agent or an app store type of arrangement. He’s in the US and 
>> I’m in the UK, or at any rate the EU. 
>> 
>> I think that if I sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no 
>> physical fulfilment, I won’t have to charge sales tax anywhere in the 
>> European Union. But I am not sure about the US. It seems that some states 
>> charge sales tax on everything, while others (California, perhaps?) don’t 
>> charge if there is no physical fulfilment. I am not sure if the volume (or 
>> more accurately, the total value of sales per year) comes into it or not. It 
>> c

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Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-18 Thread Matthias Rebbe 
Graham,

if you want to go the save way, then you should consider using a service like 
Fastspring, KAGI or other.
They will fulfill the complete order,payment and deliver process for you 
including VAT if applicable. 

You will get your earnings and do not have to think about VAT.

Since 1st January as an european reseller  you have to use the VAT-rate of the  
buyers country when selling digital products like videostreaming, licenses, 
downloads or whatever.
Before that date you could use the VAT-Rate of your country. At least here in 
Germany the 1st January was the deadline. I am not sure if all european 
countries already made this mandatory , but it is a european wide thing.

Because of this regulation i switched to KAGI and do not have to worry about 
the VAT stuff. 

Btw. if you want to protect your app you should think about Zygodact 
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
 . It provides you an 
very easy to use registration serial key system to your LiveCode standalone or 
stack. It creates for each app a separate registration stack and a key 
generator stack.

I am using Zygodact with KAGI order system. KAGI´s order system supports 
Livecode stacks. So after successful payment KAGI automatically  to creates the 
registration key using a stack with key generator substack and sends out the 
registration info to the customer.  That works like a charm.

Regards,

Matthias



> Am 17.03.2016 um 19:06 schrieb Graham Samuel  >:
> 
> I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with LC, 
> obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales, rather than 
> selling via an agent or an app store type of arrangement. He’s in the US and 
> I’m in the UK, or at any rate the EU. 
> 
> I think that if I sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no 
> physical fulfilment, I won’t have to charge sales tax anywhere in the 
> European Union. But I am not sure about the US. It seems that some states 
> charge sales tax on everything, while others (California, perhaps?) don’t 
> charge if there is no physical fulfilment. I am not sure if the volume (or 
> more accurately, the total value of sales per year) comes into it or not. It 
> certainly does in Europe.
> 
> Some people on this list are selling apps, stacks etc in this way - can 
> anyone explain how they see this? 
> 
> This may not be the right place to discuss the issue, but looking at the only 
> forum topic which seems close - ‘Marketing Your Products’ - it seems pretty 
> dead.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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Re: OT(ish): Selling software downloads - sales tax?

2016-03-18 Thread Warren Samples 

On 03/17/2016 01:06 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:

I have been discussing the sale of a desktop product (developed with LC, 
obviously) with a colleague. We’re thinking of direct sales...He’s in the US

..sell a low volume of product purely as a download with no physical 
fulfilment...I am not sure about the US.


There is no sales tax charged for any online sales in the US except for 
sales to customers located within a state where the vendor has a 
physical office or point of sale. Your stateside partner probably knows 
this already. As far as software with no physical delivery goes, it 
could be considered several different ways which will vary from state to 
state but again you are only concerned with how the state where he is 
qualifies it. Ask your partner to contact the revenue department of the 
state in which he resides and ask them how to proceed. That would be the 
only state where you have any possible obligation and even then, 
depending on how your partnership/company is structured and how they 
consider this kind of product, you might not have any at all.



https://www.sba.gov/content/collecting-sales-tax-over-internet

http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/businesstaxes/f/onlinesalestax.htm

http://www.inc.com/articles/2003/10/salestax.html

Good luck!

Warren

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