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Carmichael Zutt >> And one of them Oliver Boliver Butt >> And one of them Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate ... >> But she didn't do it. And now it's too late. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> >> >>> Alex T

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And one of them Sir Michael Carmichael Zutt > And one of them Oliver Boliver Butt > And one of them Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate ... > But she didn't do it. And now it's too late. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > >> Alex Tweed

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From Kids in the Hall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nvzEqsZIGo Martin > On Jul 28, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode > wrote: > > Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate was my lawyer. > One day I asked if I could call him Zanz. > He said, “Nah. Just call me Dave!” > > Jim Lambert > > >

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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate was my lawyer. One day I asked if I could call him Zanz. He said, “Nah. Just call me Dave!” Jim Lambert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage you

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On 28/07/2020 08:27, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: Alex: > Using unambiguous short names prevents behaviour scripts > that references child controls completely Sure about that? (Option A) Yes, I think I am. At least, it prevents using names of the child objects in the script. The

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Thanks Martin. That does indeed work (might need tweaking for some more complex cases). However, it goes through all controls on the card - the same effect is achieved without the performance risk using the childControlIDs, as in function idOfChild pLongID, pShortName   repeat for each line

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On 28/07/2020 06:24, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Consider a simplified problem statement: You have two objects of the same type in a container, and you want to tell them apart but had given them the same name. +100 OK, when I stop laughing, I will admit I am convinced :-) Alex

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You are asking for trouble. Think about something as goofy and as simple as this: Inside A1, there is a rect called "R1" and also a group called "B1" inside B1 there is a rect called "R2" . . . Am I missing something? Richmond. On 28.07.20 10:27, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: Alex

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> -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > >> Alex Tweedly alex at tweedly.net >> Mon Jul 27 15:47:12 EDT 2020 >>Previous message (by thread): Object naming >>Next message (by thread): Object naming >>Messages sorted by: [ date ]

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Alex: > Using unambiguous short names prevents behaviour scripts > that references child controls completely Sure about that? (Option A) > Inside A, there is a rect called "R" and also a group called "B" > inside B there is a rect called "R" Or put the "direct" R in a subgroup also. (Option

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And one of them Sir Michael Carmichael Zutt > And one of them Oliver Boliver Butt > And one of them Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate ... > But she didn't do it. And now it's too late. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > >> Alex Tweedly alex

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ael Zutt > And one of them Oliver Boliver Butt > And one of them Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate ... > But she didn't do it. And now it's too late. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > >> Alex Tweedly alex at tweedly.net >> Mon Jul 27

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n Jul 27 15:47:12 EDT 2020 Previous message (by thread): Object naming Next message (by thread): Object naming Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On 27/07/2020 16:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: There are many ways to refer to things. The simplest is t

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Hi Alex You could use the owner of the control in conjunction with the name of the control to distinguish between the two graphic’s named ‘R’. I did that for the simple case in your example but may not work with something more complex. I created a stack with the same hierarchy of graphics a

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On 27/07/2020 21:26, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: Use unambiguous SHORT names! Thanks, but ... Yes, using unambiguous SHORT names solves this naming problem, but introduces other problems. In particular, this group script should (probably) be a behaviour script, since the group

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Richard: > The simplest is to use unambiguous names +1! Alex: > Is there an unambiguous name in this case ? Use unambiguous SHORT names! Alex: > (i.e. A-R, not A-B-R) +1! Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" LiveCode Training and Co

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On 27/07/2020 16:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: There are many ways to refer to things.  The simplest is to use unambiguous names for things that matter. Is there an unambiguous name in this case ? And if so, what is it :-) ? A group "A" contains a rectangle "R", and a (sub)group

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Thanks Mark and Andre. Mark's description of the solution is correct - but in my situation it's not a solution. The sub-groups (B in my earlier example) are opaque - they have coloured, filled backdrops so that they can capture e.g. mouseMove messages, so they need to be opaque. Therefore, I

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There are many ways to refer to things. The simplest is to use unambiguous names for things that matter. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Alex Tweedly wrote: I think my head is melting :-) I have a group called 'A'. Inside A, there is a rect called "R" and also a group called "B"

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Alex, I think that Mark solution is the correct one but I couldn't resist telling you some other idea, one that is only applicable if performance is not a problem. You can add custom properties to controls you want to find later and then look for them by looping everyone in the card. A reusable s

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On 7/26/20 5:31 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: I think my head is melting :-) I have a group called 'A'. Inside A, there is a rect called "R" and also a group called "B" inside B there is a rect called "R" How do I refer unambiguously to the first rectangle (i.e. A - R, not A - B -

Object naming

I think my head is melting :-) I have a group called 'A'. Inside A, there is a rect called "R" and also a group called "B" inside B there is a rect called "R" How do I refer unambiguously to the first rectangle (i.e. A - R, not A - B - R) ? If I say    grc "R" of grp "B" of grp A then I una

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Pete, I wouldn't bother adding such complexity. If your naming convention is good then others will just use it. If it's bad you need to change it ;-) And as far as those that just want to do their own thing, to hell with them, they shouldn't be using your tool in the first place !! best, Bob.

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By all means Richard, I'd be honored. best, Bob... > That's a great set of rules, Bob. > > May I have your permission to include them in an update to my naming > conventions article (with attribution, of course)? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Bob Earp White Rock, British Columbia.

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o that others > can > >> refer to it, and check those standards with your team on a regular basis > to > >> make sure it continues to work for them. > >> > >> Naming is only a way of better understanding what somebody was trying to > do > >> in th

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y was trying to do >> in their script, and that somebody is likely you in the future !! So, don't >> forget comments which are as important but generally considered as >> kindergarden practice by self proclaimed expert scripters ;-) >> >> best, Bob... >>

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Jacque- Friday, October 7, 2011, 10:39:26 AM, you wrote: > for me it makes my scripts harder to read. Well, that's the purpose of a scripting convention. If what you're doing makes it easier for you to read your scripts then you're doing things the right way. > We're all different. I really dou

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Thanks Ken, looks like a very interesting document. Pete Molly's Revenge On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Pete wrote: > > > Thanks for the thoughts Bob. > > > > For those who have replied, here's the reason behind t

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On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Pete wrote: > Thanks for the thoughts Bob. > > For those who have replied, here's the reason behind the question. > > I'm about to ask for beta testers for an LC tool that greatly speeds up the > development of applications that use SQL databases. Part of the tool

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On 10/7/11 6:37 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: Whatever you do, use a prefix to define ALL your objects, I never do, I don't see any advantage, and for me it makes my scripts harder to read. It's easy to see what type an object is if you forget. In fact, the only consistent naming scheme I

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in the future !! So, don't > forget comments which are as important but generally considered as > kindergarden practice by self proclaimed expert scripters ;-) > > best, Bob... > > > > > From: Pete > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Subject: Object Naming Conven

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Bob Earp wrote: Personally I think there are really only three things one needs to follow; 1. Don't worry about what others do, just name everything in a format that really makes sense to you and your team today, and in the future. 2. Keep the names as short and uncomplicated as possible. 3. W

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dunbarx wrote: > I rarely get to act like a pedantic jerk, especially towards a highly > respected and iconic personage such as Richard Gaskin. > > Not kidding about any of item 2 of line 1. > > But ordinal would be 'first control". Cardinal would be "control 1" > > That felt better than I though

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ng to do in their script, and that somebody is likely you in the future !! So, don't forget comments which are as important but generally considered as kindergarden practice by self proclaimed expert scripters ;-) best, Bob... > From: Pete > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject:

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Rene, I really like the idea of prefixes for handlers and functions that tell you where they are located. I'd probably add a prefix for handlers in a library as well. Pete Molly's Revenge On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:44 AM, René Micout wrote: > > Le 7 oct. 2011 à 16

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would. I am sure I will regret it, though. No kidding about item 1 of line 5. Craig -Original Message- From: Richard Gaskin To: use-livecode Sent: Fri, Oct 7, 2011 6:43 am Subject: Re: Object Naming Conventions Pete wrote: > Thanks Mark, that's what I was looking for. &g

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Le 7 oct. 2011 à 16:41, Richard Gaskin a écrit : > > So thanks for your post. It prompted me to learn something new, and if I get > time I may add a section to that article on object names. Hello Richard, This is my prefix : -- PRÉFIXES (types des objets) : -- ku = constante (unitaire) -

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Richard- Friday, October 7, 2011, 7:41:27 AM, you wrote: > Somehow I'd gotten the idea that the "control" specifier was limited to > ordinal references, but apparently it's not. I do that rather extensively in PowerTools because I need an object oriented way to deal with any type of control. Sin

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Pete wrote: Thanks Mark, that's what I was looking for. Pete On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Phil- Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:28:38 PM, you wrote: > Here is an excellent starting point: > http://fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html > Go to the "Namin

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Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Pete, there has been a thread on this subject several times, but I'm not against seeing it again. Whatever you do, use a prefix to define ALL your objects, but find a rule that suits you. Don't use a suffix, I'm sure you will regret it. I use a two-letter indicator (

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Mark, I do almost the same... René Le 7 oct. 2011 à 03:03, Mark Wieder a écrit : > Phil- > > Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:28:38 PM, you wrote: > >> Here is an excellent starting point: >> http://fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html > >> Go to the "Naming Conventions" part. >

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Ken- that was supposed to read: "Of course, each person has the style that works best for them, so use what you like and ditch what you don't..." > Absolutely. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@list

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Ken- Thursday, October 6, 2011, 8:06:18 PM, you wrote: > I tend to use prefixes like this only when they aren't already > abbreviations for an existing object in LC. Absolutely. I also quite often use graphic images as buttons, so I'll go hide graphic "btnSaveMe" and there the "btn" reminds me

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On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > controlprefix example > --- > buttons : "btn" : "btnSave" > radio buttons : "rdo" : "rdoOption1" > checkboxes: "chk" : "chkShowLineNumbers" > tab buttons : "mnu" : "mnuMainTabForm" > fields: "fl

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Thanks Mark, that's what I was looking for. Pete Molly's Revenge On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Phil- > > Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:28:38 PM, you wrote: > > > Here is an excellent starting point: > > http://fourthworld.com/embassy/

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Phil- Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:28:38 PM, you wrote: > Here is an excellent starting point: > http://fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html > Go to the "Naming Conventions" part. In addition to what's in Richard's writeup I tend to use the following conventions. Mostly just

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Here is an excellent starting point: http://fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html Go to the "Naming Conventions" part. Phil On 10/6/11 12:23 PM, Pete wrote: I vaguely remember a thread on this topic a while back. I'm interested in what naming conventions people have for stack

Object Naming Conventions

I vaguely remember a thread on this topic a while back. I'm interested in what naming conventions people have for stacks/cards/controls, if any. This is in connection with a project I'm working on to automate laying out controls on a card. I'm currently using a naming convention of my own but I'