Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

Good luck… I'm on mac



On 9/14/16, 8:19 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Paul Hibbert" 
 wrote:

I should be able to share it, the plugin was made to add some shortcuts to 
the menus, so I’ll need to do a little more testing with the latest release and 
a bit of code tidying along with some warnings/instructions before it’s 
suitable for public use, but I’ll get on it then add it to the LiveCode Share 
site, hopefully within the next few days.

One issue may be that it was made for Mac, and I only have access to Win 7 
for testing on other platforms, so I’m not too sure how well it will work on 
Windows/Linux.

Paul

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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Paul Hibbert]

I should be able to share it, the plugin was made to add some shortcuts to the 
menus, so I’ll need to do a little more testing with the latest release and a 
bit of code tidying along with some warnings/instructions before it’s suitable 
for public use, but I’ll get on it then add it to the LiveCode Share site, 
hopefully within the next few days.

One issue may be that it was made for Mac, and I only have access to Win 7 for 
testing on other platforms, so I’m not too sure how well it will work on 
Windows/Linux.

Paul

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> Paul Hibbert wrote:
> 
>So I made a Plugin that allows me to refresh my PB. :)
> 
> 
> BR: Can you share this with us?
> 
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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

Paul Hibbert wrote:

So I made a Plugin that allows me to refresh my PB. :)


BR: Can you share this with us?


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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Paul Hibbert]

The Application Browser has always had a Refresh Icon just below the right hand 
side of the left pane, it’s only small and light grey, but it’s there. When I 
suggested a Refresh button for the Project Browser, MW didn’t think it was a 
good idea! So I made a Plugin that allows me to refresh my PB. :)

Paul

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> Why hide it behind a right-click?  A tiny recognisable refresh icon in
> plain sight would be better, IMHO.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> On Sep 13, 2016 5:43 AM, "Ben Rubinstein"  wrote:
> 
>> On 13/09/2016 05:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> On September 12, 2016 9:57:40 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <
>>> bra...@hindu.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the
 change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers
 are
 not reflected/updated.
 
 Is there a way force refresh these lists?
 
>>> 
>>> For the App Browser, right click anywhere in the right hand pane and
>>> choose
>>> Refresh from the contextual menu.
>>> 
>> 
>> I'll just leave this here:
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17916
>> 
>> Ben
>> 
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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[J. Landman Gay]

The tiny refresh icon is on the left side under the stack list. Only it's 
not always so recognizable.



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On September 13, 2016 7:37:37 AM Roger Eller  
wrote:



Why hide it behind a right-click?  A tiny recognisable refresh icon in
plain sight would be better, IMHO.

~Roger

On Sep 13, 2016 5:43 AM, "Ben Rubinstein"  wrote:


On 13/09/2016 05:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:


On September 12, 2016 9:57:40 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <
bra...@hindu.org>
wrote:



But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the
change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers
are
not reflected/updated.

Is there a way force refresh these lists?



For the App Browser, right click anywhere in the right hand pane and
choose
Refresh from the contextual menu.



I'll just leave this here:
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17916

Ben


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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

I am not able to reproduce this, this morning after a fresh reboot of LC.

If I create new stack, create two groups with multiple objects and move one 
group into the other group, I can move it out again in the PB… I can also 
relayer objects in the property inspector and "fresh just out of the box" LC 
IDE and PB behave as expected. the PB is updated.


This goes to the overall problem I have experienced from the beginning with 
LC8.*…. as you use the IDE.. over time, mysterious things start happening in 
the background.

I have no recipe, but the overall symptom seems to be that in many different 
contexts, conditions start to arise where some IDE messages stop being passed, 
or IDE globals/locals that should be updated, are not… I was studying some past 
posts by Allie, where he discusses the new methods for revIDELibrary "catching" 
messages etc.. in the effort to encapsulate IDE functions etc…I think there is 
some flaw deep in that framework…

Here are just a few… I should start keeping a list.. and, as I watch this use 
list… I see others are report things that might just go away if they rebooted 
LC and tried again… (to be tested, your mileage may vary)

--  the Project Browser stops listening to changes in the Project inspector. 
-- The project inspector doesn't open from any contextual window.
-- Choose Card Script from the menu does nothing… SE does not open.
-- option-command click on an object will not invoke the SE/script for that 
object.
-- Editing script of an object in the PB opens the tab for a script of a 
different object in the SE
- preopenstack issued from the message box with a top stack open that has even 
a simple 

on preopenstack
answer "hello" with "OK"
end preopenstack

does not fire

-- in the message box you type something like 

resetGUI  (a command in your stack script)
and the msg box updates itself with

put resetGUI  

# without firing your command.

-- LC mysteriously opens an IDE stack breaking on some error deep in the IDE 
stack frame work "something went wrong on line 1867 of 
revWhatever.livecodescript" 

-- use of some plugins that used to work  are simply out of the question. at 
one time they did not interfere.. .now we find code breaking inside scripts of 
plugins… an error message and SE will open a tab with a script for a plug in 
today, that worked just fine two hours ago and yesterday… 

-- the script editor has a mind of it's own now… suddenly you have a failure 
because

"end resetGUI"  # has become

"nd resetGUI"  # and you were no where near that line with your cursor!  the SE 
just chopped of char 1 of the end of a handler (I experienced this many times 
in the past three days)
 
There are many more such failures that start piling up that 

It can get extremely frustrating to the point of ones love of LC turning a bit 
sour (I hear this from some others off list too… it's not just me)… you live 
with the anxiety that something you are trying to debug actually has nothing to 
do with one's own code/stacks/scripts… 

I've come to the point where my prompt 

 "Stand up and Stretch" has become 

"Stand up and stretch; Save all stacks, close all stacks manually and reboot 
LC" on the hour every hour.

These issues are so opaque/numerous that trying to report them is out of the 
question… otherwise you will not get any work done.  You just have to "bite the 
bullet" reboot and keep going…



I realize this "recipeless" report is not as helpful as a singular issue 
report, but my gut it telling me that there is probably something deep in the 
IDE framework that may be the underlying cause for *all* these issues.

I wonder if we could turn on some log thing and instead of reporting each 
failure.. .we work for a week and then send in the log?

BR

PS on the positive side, I just learned how to use getprop to fire/listen for 
virtual property. So you can have an object "broadcast" an "agnostic" event and 
different scripts and contexts can handle that in different ways. Awesome!  How 
many solutions I have struggled with that now are solvable with this!  It would 
be great to do a big lesson-demo on various uses of this for newbies… it's a 
bit opaque/esoteric…



On 9/13/16, 2:36 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Eller" 
 wrote:

But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the
change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers
are
not reflected/updated.

Is there a way force refresh these lists?


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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Roger Eller]

Why hide it behind a right-click?  A tiny recognisable refresh icon in
plain sight would be better, IMHO.

~Roger

On Sep 13, 2016 5:43 AM, "Ben Rubinstein"  wrote:

> On 13/09/2016 05:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On September 12, 2016 9:57:40 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <
>> bra...@hindu.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the
>>> change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers
>>> are
>>> not reflected/updated.
>>>
>>> Is there a way force refresh these lists?
>>>
>>
>> For the App Browser, right click anywhere in the right hand pane and
>> choose
>> Refresh from the contextual menu.
>>
>
> I'll just leave this here:
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17916
>
> Ben
>
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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Ben Rubinstein]

On 13/09/2016 05:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On September 12, 2016 9:57:40 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami 
wrote:


But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the
change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers are
not reflected/updated.

Is there a way force refresh these lists?


For the App Browser, right click anywhere in the right hand pane and choose
Refresh from the contextual menu.


I'll just leave this here:
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17916

Ben


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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[J. Landman Gay]

On September 12, 2016 9:57:40 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami 
 wrote:


But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the 
change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers are 
not reflected/updated.


Is there a way force refresh these lists?


For the App Browser, right click anywhere in the right hand pane and choose 
Refresh from the contextual menu.



Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Monte Goulding]

> On 13 Sep 2016, at 12:56 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> also… if we change the layer of a group from the property inspector, eg. the 
> card has 32 layers of objects and you want to move a group on layer 19 to the 
> top.
> 
> You can set the layer of group 19 to 35 (in the property inspector)  and it 
> actually moves to the top (you can see it on the card) and then if you 
> inspect, it is now on layer 32 because there is no layer 35… we just forced 
> it out to the top.
> 
> But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the 
> change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers are 
> not reflected/updated.
> 
> Is there a way force refresh these lists?

OK, I think that’s probably a separate issue where the project browser should 
be listening to the layer property of the objects. Could you report that also?

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

also… if we change the layer of a group from the property inspector, eg. the 
card has 32 layers of objects and you want to move a group on layer 19 to the 
top.

You can set the layer of group 19 to 35 (in the property inspector)  and it 
actually moves to the top (you can see it on the card) and then if you inspect, 
it is now on layer 32 because there is no layer 35… we just forced it out to 
the top.

But both the Project Browser and RevApplicationbrowser do not reflect the 
change. Once in a while they do… but 80% of the time, change of layers are not 
reflected/updated.

Is there a way force refresh these lists?

On 9/12/16, 4:13 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding" 
 wrote:

I think you should be able to both relayer within the group and drag an 
object out of a group into its parent group or card so it sounds like there’s 
an issue there.


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Re: Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Monte Goulding]

I think you should be able to both relayer within the group and drag an object 
out of a group into its parent group or card so it sounds like there’s an issue 
there.

> On 13 Sep 2016, at 12:08 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> the Project Browser is much improved an very stable now… Thanks for whoever 
> did the hard work there.
> 
> Today, with relayerGroupedControls set to default/false.. I inadvertently 
> dragged a group into another group in the Project Browser.
> 
> Now any attempt to change the layer of the group B that "slide= down" inside 
> the other group A fails… setting the relayerGroupControls to "true" and 
> trying to change the layer of the group B inside the other group A doesn't 
> work.
> 
> I finally had to resort to editing the group A. selecting individual the 
> control in the group B cutting these.. Stop  editing and paste them on top of 
> the card.
> 
> Relayering of groups has always been tricky. Should this be reported? If you 
> move the group into another group, one should be able to drag if out, n'est 
> ce Pas?
> 
> 
> BR
> 
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Project Browser Allows you to move a group into another group

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

the Project Browser is much improved an very stable now… Thanks for whoever did 
the hard work there.

Today, with relayerGroupedControls set to default/false.. I inadvertently 
dragged a group into another group in the Project Browser.

Now any attempt to change the layer of the group B that "slide= down" inside 
the other group A fails… setting the relayerGroupControls to "true" and trying 
to change the layer of the group B inside the other group A doesn't work.

I finally had to resort to editing the group A. selecting individual the 
control in the group B cutting these.. Stop  editing and paste them on top of 
the card.

Relayering of groups has always been tricky. Should this be reported? If you 
move the group into another group, one should be able to drag if out, n'est ce 
Pas?


BR


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