Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I don't mean to imply the link Richmond posted was malware. I was
> responding to the post where Richmond indicated he didn't see what
> was wrong (I took that to mean clicking a link in an email) to which
> I responded that what was wrong (with clicking links in general) is
> that it may seem to be from one person when actually it is not. Given
> that has actually happened to people on this list, I don't think it
> is out of the ordinary to be a little cautious. And since he usually
> signs Richmond, and this time it was signed Richmond Mathewson, I
> thought it might be a good opportunity to remind everyone on the list
> who do like to post links, that it is easier to trust when the list
> member uses a unique signature that no one else could have discerned.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.

No worries. Glad the link was a good one.

Looking for usual patterns can help, but only so much.  After all, if 
they're usual they're usually found in the usual places, and things like 
mailing lists often have public archives.


Ralph's practice of keeping his browser containerized is probably the 
best bet, something Qubes OS is designed to do for all apps, and 
something we'll likely see more of from other OS vendors.


For us app developers, and old-time users accustomed to freely 
interoperating among programs, the future may seem a dim place, where 
each process is ever more tightly sandboxed, with what little data is 
allowed to be exchanged happening through narrow channels controlled by 
the OS.


But with things like IDN homograph attacks, there's really nothing 
anyone can do to prevent clicking on bad URLs - we either give up 
clicking URLs altogether, or accept ever tighter app sandboxing.


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I don't mean to imply the link Richmond posted was malware. I was responding to 
the post where Richmond indicated he didn't see what was wrong (I took that to 
mean clicking a link in an email) to which I responded that what was wrong 
(with clicking links in general) is that it may seem to be from one person when 
actually it is not. Given that has actually happened to people on this list, I 
don't think it is out of the ordinary to be a little cautious. And since he 
usually signs Richmond, and this time it was signed Richmond Mathewson, I 
thought it might be a good opportunity to remind everyone on the list who do 
like to post links, that it is easier to trust when the list member uses a 
unique signature that no one else could have discerned. 

Sorry for the confusion. 

Bob S


> On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:03 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> >> Page 71
> >>
> > https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> >> Richmond Mathewson.
> ...
> > It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong
> > because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the
> > link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a
> > backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last
> > backup.
> 
> @Bob: I think I missed something.  Is the link given above dangerous? I've 
> altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were.
> 
> The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks 
> I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's 
> not an an HTML page at all.
> 
> So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And how 
> quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened that PDF 
> in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to 
> know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.
> 
> If not, what link are you referring to?
> 
> 
> @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Yes, all sorts of things are possible, and perhaps we should all be 
using Qubes OS.


Here I was most interested in learning the specifics Bob reported with 
the link.


--
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Matthias Rebbe wrote:


Am 05.09.2017 um 20:03 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:




The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks I 
suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's not 
an an HTML page at all.


Even if the link seems to direct to a file, this could not be the case. The 
following link for example directs also to a pdf

https://qck.biz/sample.pdf 

but the server redirects that link to a .lc file which outputs some text and 
runs a javascript (just an popup box).

So you never can be sure. ;)

Matthias
 


So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And how 
quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened that PDF in 
Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to know 
if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.

If not, what link are you referring to?


@Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Matthias Rebbe
+49 5741 31
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> Am 05.09.2017 um 20:03 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> >:
> 

> The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its risks 
> I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. Indeed, it's 
> not an an HTML page at all.
> 
Even if the link seems to direct to a file, this could not be the case. The 
following link for example directs also to a pdf

https://qck.biz/sample.pdf 

but the server redirects that link to a .lc file which outputs some text and 
runs a javascript (just an popup box).

So you never can be sure. ;)

Matthias



> So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And how 
> quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened that PDF 
> in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would be helpful to 
> know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.
> 
> If not, what link are you referring to?
> 
> 
> @Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
> ambassa...@fourthworld.com 
> http://www.FourthWorld.com 
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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Here is the publisher's domain: https://helloworld.raspberrypi.org/

And teachers right across the world are merrily downloading that PDF 
without getting their knickers in a twist.


Richmond.

On 9/5/17 9:03 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Bob Sneidar wrote:

>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Page 71
>>
> 
https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

>> Richmond Mathewson.
...
> It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong
> because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the
> link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a
> backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last
> backup.

@Bob: I think I missed something.  Is the link given above dangerous? 
I've altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were.


The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without 
its risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has 
JavaScript. Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all.


So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  
And how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I 
opened that PDF in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but 
it would be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare 
for recovery.


If not, what link are you referring to?


@Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?



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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Page 71
>>
> 
https://s3-eu-west-1.[LINK_ALTERED_FOR_SAFETY].com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

>> Richmond Mathewson.
...
> It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong
> because my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the
> link, and encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a
> backup, so we recovered all the files but the ones since the last
> backup.

@Bob: I think I missed something.  Is the link given above dangerous? 
I've altered it for safety here, but it would be unusual if it were.


The link is direct to a PDF (a format which is not entirely without its 
risks I suppose) but isn't embedded within a page that has JavaScript. 
Indeed, it's not an an HTML page at all.


So does the PDF itself contain ransomware, and if so which variant?  And 
how quickly after clicking the link did the encrypting begin?  I opened 
that PDF in Chrome an hour ago.  I have multiple backups, but it would 
be helpful to know if I need to budget time today to prepare for recovery.


If not, what link are you referring to?


@Richmond: why do you suppose the publisher doesn't have a domain name?

--
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 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

OK, Bob, and all others who find it creepy when I use my full name:

I didn't!

My FULL NAME is John Richmond Mathewson.

The only people who call me 'John' are my family and the children I teach.

I have used my second name since 1988 for all professional activities 
[mainly because I was, at that time, working at a Primary school in the UAE,
where teachers are always called 'Mr John' or 'Mr Richmond' and there 
was another teacher who was older than me whose name was 'John'].


End of transparent patch!

Sometimes spending too much time on, frankly, extremely petty things 
like this could be a waste of time.


Richmond.

On 9/5/17 8:15 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong because 
my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the link, and 
encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a backup, so we 
recovered all the files but the ones since the last backup.

Bob S



On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I don't WHAT is wrong . . .

I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL 
Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS)

and am still here to tell the tale.

And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts"

if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this Use-list; 
well, frankly, . . .

Oops, nearly forgot:

Richmond.

Richmond.

I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York.

Richmond.

(Third time lucky).


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It wasn't Richmond, it was your full name. And I DO know what's wrong because 
my boss, after many urgings not to click the link, clicked the link, and 
encrypted all the files on our files server. Sure we had a backup, so we 
recovered all the files but the ones since the last backup. 

Bob S


> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't WHAT is wrong . . .
> 
> I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL 
> Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS)
> 
> and am still here to tell the tale.
> 
> And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts"
> 
> if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this Use-list; 
> well, frankly, . . .
> 
> Oops, nearly forgot:
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> (Third time lucky).


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

One of the many reasons I am extremely reluctant to go back to the 
Over-regulated "Untied" Kingdom.


Richmond.

On 9/5/17 7:52 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Don't talk to strangers, always look before you cross, don't click the
link, don't drive down the railway tracks. All these rules. I feel
claustrophobic.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*

'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

eMail Ts & Cs <http://pidigital.co.uk/emailTCs.rtf>   Pi Digital
Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 5 September 2017 at 16:06, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
for that purpose.

It was a good read. Congrats!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
someone is spamming the list with a drive by.

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves.

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
link.

Bob S



On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Page 71



https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/
issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I don't WHAT is wrong . . .

I open links on my Mac (2007 iMac running Lion), I open links on my DELL 
Optiplex 745 (? 2007 ? running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS)


and am still here to tell the tale.

And "we got used to seeing that signature in all your posts"

if you haven't got used to seeing "Richmond" on postings on this 
Use-list; well, frankly, . . .


Oops, nearly forgot:

Richmond.

Richmond.

I'll be getting like that terrible song about New York.

Richmond.

(Third time lucky).

On 9/5/17 6:06 pm, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
for that purpose.

It was a good read. Congrats!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
someone is spamming the list with a drive by.

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves.

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
link.

Bob S



On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Page 71



https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546

Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Don't talk to strangers, always look before you cross, don't click the
link, don't drive down the railway tracks. All these rules. I feel
claustrophobic.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*

'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

eMail Ts & Cs <http://pidigital.co.uk/emailTCs.rtf>   Pi Digital
Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 5 September 2017 at 16:06, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
> for that purpose.
>
> It was a good read. Congrats!
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Bob Sneidar
> Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World
>
> I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
> someone is spamming the list with a drive by.
>
> I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
> tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
> use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
> something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves.
>
> I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
> seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
> what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
> link.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Page 71
> >
> >
> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/
> issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
> 4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> >
> > Richmond Mathewson.
>
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RE: [OT] Hello World

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I agree. I open links like this on an isolated vanilla VM that I keep just
for that purpose.

It was a good read. Congrats!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:56 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello World

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and
someone is spamming the list with a drive by. 

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can
tell who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to
use L/D for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is
something a spammer could easily put in the email themselves. 

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do
what we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the
link. 

Bob S


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Page 71
> 
>
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/00
4/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> 
> Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I never click these links. I can never know if your account was hacked and 
someone is spamming the list with a drive by. 

I always advise people to have a little text signature so that people can tell 
who know you that the email came from you personally. My Dad used to use L/D 
for Love Dad. I use Bob S. Your full name won't do, that is something a spammer 
could easily put in the email themselves. 

I think if everyone on the list followed this practice, and we got used to 
seeing that signature in all your posts, we would be more inclined to do what 
we have always been taught to NEVER NEVER DO, and that is, click the link. 

Bob S


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:16 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Page 71
> 
> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rpi-magazines/issues/full_pdfs/000/000/004/original/HelloWorld03.pdf?1504167546
> 
> Richmond Mathewson.


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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Mark Schonewille via use-livecode]

Thanks. It is an interesting article. I tend to agree and I think it 
would be fun to give BBC Basic a try. The purpose may not always be to 
move on to other programming languages however and so I still might 
start with LiveCode right-away.


Kind regards,

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Op 02-Sep-17 om 18:49 schreef Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode:

71

Richmond.

On 9/2/17 10:39 am, Mark Schonewille via use-livecode wrote:

Which page?

Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
http://economy-x-talk.com
https://www.facebook.com/marksch

Buy the most extensive book on the
LiveCode language:
http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com

Op 02-Sep-17 om 00:18 schreef Jim Lambert via use-livecode:

Richmond,

Congratulations on your Hello World article.
Very nice.

Jim Lambert

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

71

Richmond.

On 9/2/17 10:39 am, Mark Schonewille via use-livecode wrote:

Which page?

Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
http://economy-x-talk.com
https://www.facebook.com/marksch

Buy the most extensive book on the
LiveCode language:
http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com

Op 02-Sep-17 om 00:18 schreef Jim Lambert via use-livecode:

Richmond,

Congratulations on your Hello World article.
Very nice.

Jim Lambert

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Mark Schonewille via use-livecode]

Which page?

Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
http://economy-x-talk.com
https://www.facebook.com/marksch

Buy the most extensive book on the
LiveCode language:
http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com

Op 02-Sep-17 om 00:18 schreef Jim Lambert via use-livecode:

Richmond,

Congratulations on your Hello World article.
Very nice.

Jim Lambert

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Re: [OT] Hello World

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

Richmond,

Congratulations on your Hello World article.
Very nice.

Jim Lambert

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