Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Prothero@earthlearning via use-livecode]

Andre,
This hits my “sweet spot”. Excellent plan! I’m looking forward to your products.
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jul 10, 2020, at 3:15 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your detailed responses. Since you have all been quite
> awesome in giving me all these great replies and feedback, let me tell you,
> in probably more details than you'd ever want, where I am coming from and
> what I plan to do going forward.
> 
> Many here know that I have graduated from a film school. Doing videos feel
> like going home for me and I believe in the potential of multimedia to be
> an effective learning tool. Still, I have always been in love with books
> and like many here I favour books over video any time. I was considering
> doing more video related content because other people I know are having a
> better return on video courses than on books. Of course this depends on the
> community and here books appear to rule, which is good for me because I
> enjoy writing books and that is the direction I want to shift my career to
> anyway.
> 
> I have just completed a major JavaScript book for a famous publishing house
> in the U.S. and am ready to go back to self-publishing and work on my own
> titles on my own time. The book I made about LiveCode best practices and
> code organisation was well received and even though I have issued some
> updates, I haven't updated as often as I wanted to. The reason behind not
> updating often is because of some of the worst aspects of capitalism:
> updating the book didn't really add to the sales figures and I live in a
> very expensive city (I live in London now). Every time I updated the book
> there would be some extra sales, but not as many as to justify working on
> it. The alternative would be to raise the prices so that each sale would be
> more valuable to me but I'm against it because I think the price should
> reflect the value of the object being sold. That book has been done without
> an editor and in a hurry, I can't charge as much for it as I'd charge for a
> book that involved more professionals and more care. I think the price for
> that specific book is right.
> 
> So, going forward I think I am going to write more books but also shorter
> books. There is a problem with trying to create comprehensive references or
> bible-like books. They are harder to do and you sell them only once. Our
> community is small, there is a limited amount of sales to be done inside
> it. What I will do is create shorter books focused on a single topic and
> sell them individually for a low price so that people can acquire them all
> without actually having to worry. This way I can produce books faster
> (which lowers the cost of producing them for me) and you get to have fresh
> content, which is something that we all know a healthy ecosystem needs. I
> might make some short videos, but mostly for engagement and highlighting
> cool stuff. Video takes longer to produce and unfortunately my current
> daily driver machine doesn't support any decent video editor.
> 
> As for using stacks as interactive learning material, that reminds me of
> Director. I think it is a great idea. The problem is that I am writing
> about other technologies as well and I can't build a pipeline and tools to
> deliver stacks (even as standalones) to the other communities at the
> moment. I might explore that in the future but for now doing ebooks is the
> best way forward. It is easy, I know how to do it, and I can focus on doing
> content instead of building new tools.
> 
> For those that haven't been exposed to my best practices book, you can find
> it at:
> 
> http://andregarzia.com/books/livecode-advanced-application-architecture.html
> 
> I have also created a Ko-fi. This is a website like Patreon that helps
> connect audiences with creators by allowing people to donate money as a one
> time donation or as a recurring donation depending on how much they want to
> support the creator. My plan is to engage with those supporting me on
> ko-fi, and let them see advanced copies of the books, help decide what the
> next topics to tackle and so on. Another thing I like about ko-fi is that
> they style the whole process as "buy me a coffee", so you're basically
> sending creator small donations so they can afford caffeine. Something I
> really need to write books. I will price the books low, so if you think
> about sending more money or making this more sustainable, my Ko-fi is at:
> 
> https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia
> 
> From what I have been reading on the list, I think there is a need for a
> small book on "launchers" or as we used to call them "splash stacks". They
> are a fantastic way to deploy tools to the enterprise and clients, they
> unite the easy deployability of the web with the powerful feature set of
> Desktop apps. More seasoned LC developers, especially those that worked as
> ISV before the App Store, are probably familiar with

Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Mark,

Thanks a lot for your support my friend, I really appreciate it. :-)



On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 11:39, Mark Smith  wrote:

> Thanks for the update Andre, I have the book and am looking forward to
> some good reads 😊
>
> Mark
>
> > On Jul 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your detailed responses. Since you have all been quite
> > awesome in giving me all these great replies and feedback, let me tell
> you,
> > in probably more details than you'd ever want, where I am coming from and
> > what I plan to do going forward.
> >
> > Many here know that I have graduated from a film school. Doing videos
> feel
> > like going home for me and I believe in the potential of multimedia to be
> > an effective learning tool. Still, I have always been in love with books
> > and like many here I favour books over video any time. I was considering
> > doing more video related content because other people I know are having a
> > better return on video courses than on books. Of course this depends on
> the
> > community and here books appear to rule, which is good for me because I
> > enjoy writing books and that is the direction I want to shift my career
> to
> > anyway.
> >
> > I have just completed a major JavaScript book for a famous publishing
> house
> > in the U.S. and am ready to go back to self-publishing and work on my own
> > titles on my own time. The book I made about LiveCode best practices and
> > code organisation was well received and even though I have issued some
> > updates, I haven't updated as often as I wanted to. The reason behind not
> > updating often is because of some of the worst aspects of capitalism:
> > updating the book didn't really add to the sales figures and I live in a
> > very expensive city (I live in London now). Every time I updated the book
> > there would be some extra sales, but not as many as to justify working on
> > it. The alternative would be to raise the prices so that each sale would
> be
> > more valuable to me but I'm against it because I think the price should
> > reflect the value of the object being sold. That book has been done
> without
> > an editor and in a hurry, I can't charge as much for it as I'd charge
> for a
> > book that involved more professionals and more care. I think the price
> for
> > that specific book is right.
> >
> > So, going forward I think I am going to write more books but also shorter
> > books. There is a problem with trying to create comprehensive references
> or
> > bible-like books. They are harder to do and you sell them only once. Our
> > community is small, there is a limited amount of sales to be done inside
> > it. What I will do is create shorter books focused on a single topic and
> > sell them individually for a low price so that people can acquire them
> all
> > without actually having to worry. This way I can produce books faster
> > (which lowers the cost of producing them for me) and you get to have
> fresh
> > content, which is something that we all know a healthy ecosystem needs. I
> > might make some short videos, but mostly for engagement and highlighting
> > cool stuff. Video takes longer to produce and unfortunately my current
> > daily driver machine doesn't support any decent video editor.
> >
> > As for using stacks as interactive learning material, that reminds me of
> > Director. I think it is a great idea. The problem is that I am writing
> > about other technologies as well and I can't build a pipeline and tools
> to
> > deliver stacks (even as standalones) to the other communities at the
> > moment. I might explore that in the future but for now doing ebooks is
> the
> > best way forward. It is easy, I know how to do it, and I can focus on
> doing
> > content instead of building new tools.
> >
> > For those that haven't been exposed to my best practices book, you can
> find
> > it at:
> >
> >
> http://andregarzia.com/books/livecode-advanced-application-architecture.html
> >
> > I have also created a Ko-fi. This is a website like Patreon that helps
> > connect audiences with creators by allowing people to donate money as a
> one
> > time donation or as a recurring donation depending on how much they want
> to
> > support the creator. My plan is to engage with those supporting me on
> > ko-fi, and let them see advanced copies of the books, help decide what
> the
> > next topics to tackle and so on. Another thing I like about ko-fi is that
> > they style the whole process as "buy me a coffee", so you're basically
> > sending creator small donations so they can afford caffeine. Something I
> > really need to write books. I will price the books low, so if you think
> > about sending more money or making this more sustainable, my Ko-fi is at:
> >
> > https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia
> >
> > From what I have been reading on the list, I think there is a need for a
> > small book on "launchers" or as we used to call them 

Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Thanks for the update Andre, I have the book and am looking forward to some 
good reads 😊

Mark

> On Jul 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your detailed responses. Since you have all been quite
> awesome in giving me all these great replies and feedback, let me tell you,
> in probably more details than you'd ever want, where I am coming from and
> what I plan to do going forward.
> 
> Many here know that I have graduated from a film school. Doing videos feel
> like going home for me and I believe in the potential of multimedia to be
> an effective learning tool. Still, I have always been in love with books
> and like many here I favour books over video any time. I was considering
> doing more video related content because other people I know are having a
> better return on video courses than on books. Of course this depends on the
> community and here books appear to rule, which is good for me because I
> enjoy writing books and that is the direction I want to shift my career to
> anyway.
> 
> I have just completed a major JavaScript book for a famous publishing house
> in the U.S. and am ready to go back to self-publishing and work on my own
> titles on my own time. The book I made about LiveCode best practices and
> code organisation was well received and even though I have issued some
> updates, I haven't updated as often as I wanted to. The reason behind not
> updating often is because of some of the worst aspects of capitalism:
> updating the book didn't really add to the sales figures and I live in a
> very expensive city (I live in London now). Every time I updated the book
> there would be some extra sales, but not as many as to justify working on
> it. The alternative would be to raise the prices so that each sale would be
> more valuable to me but I'm against it because I think the price should
> reflect the value of the object being sold. That book has been done without
> an editor and in a hurry, I can't charge as much for it as I'd charge for a
> book that involved more professionals and more care. I think the price for
> that specific book is right.
> 
> So, going forward I think I am going to write more books but also shorter
> books. There is a problem with trying to create comprehensive references or
> bible-like books. They are harder to do and you sell them only once. Our
> community is small, there is a limited amount of sales to be done inside
> it. What I will do is create shorter books focused on a single topic and
> sell them individually for a low price so that people can acquire them all
> without actually having to worry. This way I can produce books faster
> (which lowers the cost of producing them for me) and you get to have fresh
> content, which is something that we all know a healthy ecosystem needs. I
> might make some short videos, but mostly for engagement and highlighting
> cool stuff. Video takes longer to produce and unfortunately my current
> daily driver machine doesn't support any decent video editor.
> 
> As for using stacks as interactive learning material, that reminds me of
> Director. I think it is a great idea. The problem is that I am writing
> about other technologies as well and I can't build a pipeline and tools to
> deliver stacks (even as standalones) to the other communities at the
> moment. I might explore that in the future but for now doing ebooks is the
> best way forward. It is easy, I know how to do it, and I can focus on doing
> content instead of building new tools.
> 
> For those that haven't been exposed to my best practices book, you can find
> it at:
> 
> http://andregarzia.com/books/livecode-advanced-application-architecture.html
> 
> I have also created a Ko-fi. This is a website like Patreon that helps
> connect audiences with creators by allowing people to donate money as a one
> time donation or as a recurring donation depending on how much they want to
> support the creator. My plan is to engage with those supporting me on
> ko-fi, and let them see advanced copies of the books, help decide what the
> next topics to tackle and so on. Another thing I like about ko-fi is that
> they style the whole process as "buy me a coffee", so you're basically
> sending creator small donations so they can afford caffeine. Something I
> really need to write books. I will price the books low, so if you think
> about sending more money or making this more sustainable, my Ko-fi is at:
> 
> https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia
> 
> From what I have been reading on the list, I think there is a need for a
> small book on "launchers" or as we used to call them "splash stacks". They
> are a fantastic way to deploy tools to the enterprise and clients, they
> unite the easy deployability of the web with the powerful feature set of
> Desktop apps. More seasoned LC developers, especially those that worked as
> ISV before the App Store, are probably familiar with them but this is
> probably a new subject to 

Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Folks,

Thanks a lot for your detailed responses. Since you have all been quite
awesome in giving me all these great replies and feedback, let me tell you,
in probably more details than you'd ever want, where I am coming from and
what I plan to do going forward.

Many here know that I have graduated from a film school. Doing videos feel
like going home for me and I believe in the potential of multimedia to be
an effective learning tool. Still, I have always been in love with books
and like many here I favour books over video any time. I was considering
doing more video related content because other people I know are having a
better return on video courses than on books. Of course this depends on the
community and here books appear to rule, which is good for me because I
enjoy writing books and that is the direction I want to shift my career to
anyway.

I have just completed a major JavaScript book for a famous publishing house
in the U.S. and am ready to go back to self-publishing and work on my own
titles on my own time. The book I made about LiveCode best practices and
code organisation was well received and even though I have issued some
updates, I haven't updated as often as I wanted to. The reason behind not
updating often is because of some of the worst aspects of capitalism:
updating the book didn't really add to the sales figures and I live in a
very expensive city (I live in London now). Every time I updated the book
there would be some extra sales, but not as many as to justify working on
it. The alternative would be to raise the prices so that each sale would be
more valuable to me but I'm against it because I think the price should
reflect the value of the object being sold. That book has been done without
an editor and in a hurry, I can't charge as much for it as I'd charge for a
book that involved more professionals and more care. I think the price for
that specific book is right.

So, going forward I think I am going to write more books but also shorter
books. There is a problem with trying to create comprehensive references or
bible-like books. They are harder to do and you sell them only once. Our
community is small, there is a limited amount of sales to be done inside
it. What I will do is create shorter books focused on a single topic and
sell them individually for a low price so that people can acquire them all
without actually having to worry. This way I can produce books faster
(which lowers the cost of producing them for me) and you get to have fresh
content, which is something that we all know a healthy ecosystem needs. I
might make some short videos, but mostly for engagement and highlighting
cool stuff. Video takes longer to produce and unfortunately my current
daily driver machine doesn't support any decent video editor.

As for using stacks as interactive learning material, that reminds me of
Director. I think it is a great idea. The problem is that I am writing
about other technologies as well and I can't build a pipeline and tools to
deliver stacks (even as standalones) to the other communities at the
moment. I might explore that in the future but for now doing ebooks is the
best way forward. It is easy, I know how to do it, and I can focus on doing
content instead of building new tools.

For those that haven't been exposed to my best practices book, you can find
it at:

http://andregarzia.com/books/livecode-advanced-application-architecture.html

I have also created a Ko-fi. This is a website like Patreon that helps
connect audiences with creators by allowing people to donate money as a one
time donation or as a recurring donation depending on how much they want to
support the creator. My plan is to engage with those supporting me on
ko-fi, and let them see advanced copies of the books, help decide what the
next topics to tackle and so on. Another thing I like about ko-fi is that
they style the whole process as "buy me a coffee", so you're basically
sending creator small donations so they can afford caffeine. Something I
really need to write books. I will price the books low, so if you think
about sending more money or making this more sustainable, my Ko-fi is at:

https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia

From what I have been reading on the list, I think there is a need for a
small book on "launchers" or as we used to call them "splash stacks". They
are a fantastic way to deploy tools to the enterprise and clients, they
unite the easy deployability of the web with the powerful feature set of
Desktop apps. More seasoned LC developers, especially those that worked as
ISV before the App Store, are probably familiar with them but this is
probably a new subject to many of the people who came to LC more recently.
I think this is will be the first new small book. I'm thinking about 45
pages. I hope you'll like it.

Best
A


On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 20:20, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> FYI, I’ve found some of the MovAvi 

Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

FYI, I’ve found some of the MovAvi  apps to be 
good and very inexpensive. That said, I’m not doing a lot of video editing 
these days, but found the video editing app to be easier to use than iMovie. I 
used Final Cut Pro, but didn’t renew when Apple went to 64bit only.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
https://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I prefer video, but I feel demonstrations should have some production value
> other that just a screen share.
> Indicators, motion graphics, etc and not just a guy and his desktop.  And
> EDITING!!!
> I'm a Final Cut Pro video guy these days and have ALL the groovy plugins
> so I'm not being fair I guess.
> 
> iMovie is far better these days that it used to be, but strangely very
> difficult to upgrade an iMovie package to Final Cut, once one is there.
> Roadblocks everywhere. Typical Apple %$#%#%#$%#$.
> 
> sqb
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi André,
>> 
>> I previously always favored printed books.
>> 
>> But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with
>> copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
>> As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of
>> direct engagement with interactive media.”
>> 
>> IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and
>> temporal examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the
>> instruction, even though it’s utterly mechanical.
>> 
>> So, yeah, I like a combo.
>> 
>> Hope this helps!
>> 
>> Jim Lambert
>> 
>> 
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I prefer video, but I feel demonstrations should have some production value
other that just a screen share.
Indicators, motion graphics, etc and not just a guy and his desktop.  And
EDITING!!!
I'm a Final Cut Pro video guy these days and have ALL the groovy plugins
so I'm not being fair I guess.

iMovie is far better these days that it used to be, but strangely very
difficult to upgrade an iMovie package to Final Cut, once one is there.
Roadblocks everywhere. Typical Apple %$#%#%#$%#$.

sqb
--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org


On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi André,
>
> I previously always favored printed books.
>
> But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with
> copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
> As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of
> direct engagement with interactive media.”
>
> IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and
> temporal examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the
> instruction, even though it’s utterly mechanical.
>
> So, yeah, I like a combo.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Jim Lambert
>
>
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

Hi André,

I previously always favored printed books.

But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with 
copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of direct 
engagement with interactive media.”

IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and temporal 
examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the instruction, even 
though it’s utterly mechanical.

So, yeah, I like a combo.

Hope this helps!

Jim Lambert


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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Tore Nilsen via use-livecode]

Hi Andre!

As others have pointed out, whether to go for a text based or a video based 
course, very much depends on your target audience. I like Richards proposal of 
using LiveCode as the framework for a course. This way you can in fact utilize 
the strengths of both formats. You can present most of the course as text, and 
with a good search function and a good index, it can in many ways work better 
than a traditional printed text.

The real benefit is that you can also add video wherever this will provide an 
added value. If the course are a beginners course, video can work well when you 
demonstrate how to use the IDE and how to build a UI for an application. 
Remember that shorter videos are better. Also, video works best for 
demonstration of concrete actions. You can further enhance the effect of being 
able to use both text and video by adding each step of the video as text as 
well.

If you are to show script as video, remember to give the viewer plenty of time 
to study each line of code. I find that when I show my students something on 
the whiteboard, they very often think that I am to quick, and that I move along 
to fast. It is also advisable to keep the screen as clutter free as possible, 
only show code that is part of the command/function you are writing at the 
moment. If the students get lost during the presentation, it is very hard for 
them to get back on the right track (or line as it were) if they have to 
distinguish between different parts of your code.These are hard learned facts 
after teaching high school students how to use LiveCode in computer science 
classes for the last seven years. 

Just as important as the format you choose to deliver your course are the 
content of your course. From my experience as a teacher I would suggest that 
you distinguish basic skills from intermediate and advanced skills. I have run 
into trouble trying to rush things in my classes from time to time.

Best wishes and best of luck.
Tore 
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

My immediate response is  anything but video !!

I hate video - can't find things, no indexing, can't fast forward 
effectively over the bits I know or more-or-less know, need audio which 
doesn't always fit my surroundings, 


But that doesn't mean video is without its advantages - sometimes it 
gets details across in a way that written methods fail with. Videos 
which are *short*, with really good external index/content description 
might be just the thing.


As for "book" - does that mean paper, ePub, PDF, or something better.  I 
would love to see a stack-based solution that gave quick, searchable, 
hyper-linked access to content that was also accessed in other ways. For 
example, I buy an e-book giving me a PDF plus a stack which allows me 
good access to the content (including updates, errata, new additions).


And I think you should consider a model of initial purchase with (cheap) 
on-going subscription, that would allow you an on-going revenue stream 
to keep the enhanced-book up-to-date and relevant.


And I think you could (depending on your content area) perhaps sell 
content which is sample apps. I would happily pay for a *realistic* iOS 
app - don't much care what it does, so long as it contains current 
techniques for building a real app - including using mobile widgets, 
etc. and comes with a full set of build instructions - i.e. it can't be 
a "Hello World" app, it must have reasonable set of features. Then I 
could take the app, follow the instructions - and hopefully get a 
successful build with fewer headaches. And that would be the ideal case 
for initial purchase + subscription because the instructions would 
evolve over time.


And if wanted to then build my own app, I would most likely do it as an 
offshoot from that working model. (Don't know how you work out licensing 
for that :-)


I suspect you could do similar for Android, a desktop + web combo,  
and find people who would get good value from buying that to give them a 
headstart on their own development. You'd need to find a balance of 
enough content to be a *real* app without soaking up too much 
development time.


Alex.


On 07/07/2020 17:27, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

Hey Folks,

I have been working on some new LC content to sell. I want to transition my
career into content production and I think there is an unserved demand for
quality content for our beloved language.

I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book format
or video format. My reason to ask is because I love books but apparently
people enjoy video courses more. Some friends of mine report more revenues
from video courses than books, but doing video is harder and takes longer,
so before deciding on what medium to go for I decided to ask you all about
it.

My outline is done and the research into the topics I want to cover is
almost complete. I'll soon reach the point in my production pipeline where
I need to decide which way should the content go. What do you prefer?

Best
Andre



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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[David Wood via use-livecode]

Books for me - either phyical or eBook. Although video might have a support 
role.

I’ve learned several programming languages over the years and the practical 
value of having a well indexed book open beside the computer so I can go back 
and forth leaving the development environment open on my computer makes sense 
to me. Whether that book is physical or eBook: I prefer physical for 
practicality but prefer eBook (generally) for lower cost. If eBook, then it 
must have a good table of contents AND index.

Interesting issue

Dave


> On 8/07/2020, at 4:27 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Folks,
> 
> I have been working on some new LC content to sell. I want to transition my
> career into content production and I think there is an unserved demand for
> quality content for our beloved language.
> 
> I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book format
> or video format. My reason to ask is because I love books but apparently
> people enjoy video courses more. Some friends of mine report more revenues
> from video courses than books, but doing video is harder and takes longer,
> so before deciding on what medium to go for I decided to ask you all about
> it.
> 
> My outline is done and the research into the topics I want to cover is
> almost complete. I'll soon reach the point in my production pipeline where
> I need to decide which way should the content go. What do you prefer?
> 
> Best
> Andre
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Hi

A proper up to date guide for LiveCode is what has been needed for years. 
Digital or paper. I used to love paper manuals and guides but more so get PDFs 
these days. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital
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RE: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Andre, given the average age of the users here, I'd be curious to know what 
the responses are if you asked the same question on another forum for any 
popular programming language.


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On July 7, 2020 1:17:49 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
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I Agree, Books. For the most part the only videos I watch are music related.
Other than that I read much faster.
I watch a video only after the narrative needs additional details
(car/electronics/instrument... repairs).

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

Books. I read much faster than video playback, and a book allows me to skip
around easily and look up topics of interest. I rarely have time to sit
through a whole video unless it's very short. Books hold my interest better.



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RE: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I Agree, Books. For the most part the only videos I watch are music related.
Other than that I read much faster.
I watch a video only after the narrative needs additional details
(car/electronics/instrument... repairs).

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

Books. I read much faster than video playback, and a book allows me to skip
around easily and look up topics of interest. I rarely have time to sit
through a whole video unless it's very short. Books hold my interest better.



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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Books. I read much faster than video playback, and a book allows me to skip 
around easily and look up topics of interest. I rarely have time to sit 
through a whole video unless it's very short. Books hold my interest better.


I think younger people are used to receiving information differently. But 
when I search Google for information I always skip the YouTube videos and 
go straight to the printed articles.


Also, I don't buy printed books any longer, all my reading material is 
digital. I typically carry dozens of books on my tablet. But I don't care 
for PDFs, epub is preferred and provides a better book-like experience.


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On July 7, 2020 11:29:38 AM Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
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Hey Folks,

I have been working on some new LC content to sell. I want to transition my
career into content production and I think there is an unserved demand for
quality content for our beloved language.

I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book format
or video format. My reason to ask is because I love books but apparently
people enjoy video courses more. Some friends of mine report more revenues
from video courses than books, but doing video is harder and takes longer,
so before deciding on what medium to go for I decided to ask you all about
it.

My outline is done and the research into the topics I want to cover is
almost complete. I'll soon reach the point in my production pipeline where
I need to decide which way should the content go. What do you prefer?

Best
Andre

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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Andre Garzia wrote:

> I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book
> format or video format.

I've been pondering this myself with some content I've been putting 
together for the LC community, an EDU-leaning beginner's guide and one 
on networking.


Given the power and flexibility of LC, and the many learning benefits of 
direct engagement with interactive media, I'm currently structuring them 
to as courseware to be delivered as stack files.


No more copy-and-paste of code examples, animation is possible where 
relevant, examples are living, breathing software...


...all delivered in a great platform well suited for this sort of thing: 
LiveCode.


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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Prothero@earthlearning via use-livecode]

Andre,
I forgot my main learning interest book.
Livecode for Web designers.

Bill

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> On Jul 7, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Folks,
> 
> I have been working on some new LC content to sell. I want to transition my
> career into content production and I think there is an unserved demand for
> quality content for our beloved language.
> 
> I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book format
> or video format. My reason to ask is because I love books but apparently
> people enjoy video courses more. Some friends of mine report more revenues
> from video courses than books, but doing video is harder and takes longer,
> so before deciding on what medium to go for I decided to ask you all about
> it.
> 
> My outline is done and the research into the topics I want to cover is
> almost complete. I'll soon reach the point in my production pipeline where
> I need to decide which way should the content go. What do you prefer?
> 
> Best
> Andre
> 
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RE: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

Hi Andre,

Book. Always.
And paperback I prefer instead of an e-book version.
I have noticed that my concentration is better by reading a real book.

Kind regards and good luck!
Erik

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To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Andre Garzia 
Subject: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video
courses?

Hey Folks,

I have been working on some new LC content to sell. I want to transition my
career into content production and I think there is an unserved demand for
quality content for our beloved language.

I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book format or
video format. My reason to ask is because I love books but apparently people
enjoy video courses more. Some friends of mine report more revenues from
video courses than books, but doing video is harder and takes longer, so
before deciding on what medium to go for I decided to ask you all about it.

My outline is done and the research into the topics I want to cover is
almost complete. I'll soon reach the point in my production pipeline where I
need to decide which way should the content go. What do you prefer?

Best
Andre

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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Prothero@earthlearning via use-livecode]

Andre,
What I like about books is that I can go back to them easily and find Gems, if 
there is a good index. Videos work for me, if they are short. It also depends 
on your target audience. If you are going for experienced Livecode programmers, 
I suspect a highly indexed online “Book” that is searchable and contains tricks 
and gotcha workarounds would work. If you are wanting to target new users, I 
suspect an intro video designed to show how cool Livecode is, with demos of 
apps built with LC, then pointers to your online books might work. But then, 
I’m of the older generation, so.

What might also be an idea is to create:
Livecode for beginners
Livecode for teachers
Livecode for students
Livecode for kids

Etc.

If you go with the book route, it would be pretty easy to make it into an 
indexable online text document.

Good luck,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Folks,
> 
> I have been working on some new LC content to sell. I want to transition my
> career into content production and I think there is an unserved demand for
> quality content for our beloved language.
> 
> I'm just not exactly sure if you prefer to consume content in book format
> or video format. My reason to ask is because I love books but apparently
> people enjoy video courses more. Some friends of mine report more revenues
> from video courses than books, but doing video is harder and takes longer,
> so before deciding on what medium to go for I decided to ask you all about
> it.
> 
> My outline is done and the research into the topics I want to cover is
> almost complete. I'll soon reach the point in my production pipeline where
> I need to decide which way should the content go. What do you prefer?
> 
> Best
> Andre
> 
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