Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Trevor DeVore]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:52 AM, panagiotis merakos 
wrote:

>
> However, since the DP 12 release contains 25
> bugfixes plus some more features, we thought it would be better to release
> it before the Christmas break. This will give plenty of time to both the
> community and the LiveCode team to do some further testing, report bugs and
> have them fixed in the next release.
>

I'm glad you released it. Previous DPs had a serious memory bug that would
cause LiveCode to crash a lot when I was using it. DP-12 fixes it and I can
now get a lot of work done with it, even with the bugs.

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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/22/2015 11:56 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:


I remember the Pink Variables back in the day.  They once opened for the
Blue Meanies.


I believe that may have been Pink Noise.

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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Monte Goulding]

I haven't pulled and built the latest yet. What's the pink variables issue? 
Sounds like a good band name to me ;-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 3:18 am, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> 
> the"pink variables" issue.

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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Richmond]

On 22/12/15 22:24, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 12/22/2015 11:56 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:


I remember the Pink Variables back in the day.  They once opened for the
Blue Meanies.


I believe that may have been Pink Noise.



Unfortunately DP 12 hasn't behaved sufficiently well on my machine

Xubuntu 64 bit 14.04.3  LTS

to get to the Pink Variables.

However, I thought the Blue Meanie meant Lord Krishna
until a creepy Bengali rejigged him as an epicene poster boy.

Richmond.

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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Kay C Lan]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> On 12/22/2015 11:56 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> I remember the Pink Variables back in the day.  They once opened for the
>> Blue Meanies.
>>
>
> I believe that may have been Pink Noise.
>
> Pink Noise are to split up again, according to their manager, Max Height.
They've been in the business now ten years, nine as other groups.
Originally White Noise, they became for a while, Noise, then Just Noise,
then Just Background Noise, and finally, Background Colour. Splitting up
for nearly a month, they re-formed as Screen Colour, which became Screen
Name, Screen Type, then Fullscreen for a while, before becoming Lockscreen
and finally Dead Screen, which reflected the current state of the group.
Splitting again, they combined a fortnight later as Split Again, a tight
little name which lasted them through a difficult period when their pet
mouse was suspected of suffering from death. It turned out to be only a
rumour and they became Dead Mouse, then Live Mouse, which lead to Mouse Up,
an unpopular name so they changed to Mouse Down, and the inevitable split.
After nearly ten days, they reformed again as Mouse Click, then Mouse
Enter, Mouse Leave, Mouse Line, Linefeed, Line Offset, Word Offset,
Password, Pass Out, Strikeout, Focus Out, Focus Colour, Colour Pink and
Kevin Miller. This last name, their favourite, had to be dropped following
an injunction and they split again. When they combined after a record
breaking two days, they ditched the LiveCode references and became Pink
Noise, a name which they stuck with for the rest of their careers. Now, a
fortnight later, they've finally split.

Apologies to Monty Python
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Peter Haworth]

I guess one man's meat is another man's poison. For me, DP12 is pretty much
unusable since about 50% of the time, debugging is impossible due to
the"pink variables" issue.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015, 7:29 AM Trevor DeVore 
wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:52 AM, panagiotis merakos 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > However, since the DP 12 release contains 25
> > bugfixes plus some more features, we thought it would be better to
> release
> > it before the Christmas break. This will give plenty of time to both the
> > community and the LiveCode team to do some further testing, report bugs
> and
> > have them fixed in the next release.
> >
>
> I'm glad you released it. Previous DPs had a serious memory bug that would
> cause LiveCode to crash a lot when I was using it. DP-12 fixes it and I can
> now get a lot of work done with it, even with the bugs.
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[panagiotis merakos]

Hi Pete,

Unfortunately, we did not have enough time to test it as thoroughly as we
do with other releases. However, since the DP 12 release contains 25
bugfixes plus some more features, we thought it would be better to release
it before the Christmas break. This will give plenty of time to both the
community and the LiveCode team to do some further testing, report bugs and
have them fixed in the next release.

Have a great holiday,
Panos
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Peter Haworth <p...@lcsql.com> wrote:

> The dictionary window has no content.
>
> Adding a Tree View Widget then deleting it leaves the selection handles
> visible.
>
> Selecting a tree view highlights part of it in pink.  After doing that, the
> variables tab of the Script Editor window is one big pink blob with no
> variable names/contents visible.
>
> I don't remember how I did this now, but prior to this version, the handler
> list  at the left of the script editor window was hidden and a dropdown
> menu of handler names was at the top of the window.  The dropdown menu is
> still there but so is the list at the right.  In addition the handler list
> is initially empty; its content appears when I resize it.
>
> Similar issues as already reported on showing the script editor window.
>
> I'm thinking it was not a good decision to rush this out before going on
> Christmas break.
>
>
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Paul Hibbert <p...@livecode.org> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > On Dec 21, 2015, at 10:17 AM, John Dixon <dixo...@hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes... I see this as well..
> > >
> > >
> > >> Subject: Re: Release 8.0 DP 12
> > >> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> > >> From: mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> > >> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:05:07 -0800
> > >>
> > >> On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
> > >>> stacks before testing them.
> > >>
> > >> Interesting.
> > >>
> > >> It now takes two attempts to edit a script in either the Application
> > >> Browser or the Project Browser. The first attempt right-clicking on
> the
> > >> object you want to edit brings up the contextual menu, and selecting
> > >> "Edit script" starts a spinning cursor. Ignoring that, clicking
> > >> somewhere else, and trying again brings up the script editor.
> > >>
> > >> Note that if you're using the AB, the script editor comes up *behind*
> > >> it, which is somewhat annoying, but whatever.
> > >>
> > >> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>  Mark Wieder
> > >>  ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> > >>
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Peter Haworth]

I haven't narrowed down the cause of it yet, but the variables tab of the
script editor window is sometimes colored pink. The bigger issue is when
that happens, no variable names or contents are visible.

I remember the Pink Variables back in the day.  They once opened for the
Blue Meanies.

Pete
lcSQL Software 
Home of lcStackBrowser  and
SQLiteAdmin 

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> I haven't pulled and built the latest yet. What's the pink variables
> issue? Sounds like a good band name to me ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 23 Dec 2015, at 3:18 am, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> >
> > the"pink variables" issue.
>
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Monte Goulding]

Hmm... Sounds like the widget isn't being drawn for some reason.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 6:56 am, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> 
> I haven't narrowed down the cause of it yet, but the variables tab of the
> script editor window is sometimes colored pink. The bigger issue is when
> that happens, no variable names or contents are visible.

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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Peter Haworth]

The dictionary window has no content.

Adding a Tree View Widget then deleting it leaves the selection handles
visible.

Selecting a tree view highlights part of it in pink.  After doing that, the
variables tab of the Script Editor window is one big pink blob with no
variable names/contents visible.

I don't remember how I did this now, but prior to this version, the handler
list  at the left of the script editor window was hidden and a dropdown
menu of handler names was at the top of the window.  The dropdown menu is
still there but so is the list at the right.  In addition the handler list
is initially empty; its content appears when I resize it.

Similar issues as already reported on showing the script editor window.

I'm thinking it was not a good decision to rush this out before going on
Christmas break.



Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Paul Hibbert <p...@livecode.org> wrote:

> +1
>
> Paul
>
> > On Dec 21, 2015, at 10:17 AM, John Dixon <dixo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes... I see this as well..
> >
> >
> >> Subject: Re: Release 8.0 DP 12
> >> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> >> From: mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:05:07 -0800
> >>
> >> On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
> >>
> >>> Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
> >>> stacks before testing them.
> >>
> >> Interesting.
> >>
> >> It now takes two attempts to edit a script in either the Application
> >> Browser or the Project Browser. The first attempt right-clicking on the
> >> object you want to edit brings up the contextual menu, and selecting
> >> "Edit script" starts a spinning cursor. Ignoring that, clicking
> >> somewhere else, and trying again brings up the script editor.
> >>
> >> Note that if you're using the AB, the script editor comes up *behind*
> >> it, which is somewhat annoying, but whatever.
> >>
> >> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641
> >>
> >> --
> >>  Mark Wieder
> >>  ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> >>
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RE: Release 8.0 DP 12

[John Dixon]

Yes... I see this as well..


> Subject: Re: Release 8.0 DP 12
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> From: mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:05:07 -0800
> 
> On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
> 
> > Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
> > stacks before testing them.
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> It now takes two attempts to edit a script in either the Application 
> Browser or the Project Browser. The first attempt right-clicking on the 
> object you want to edit brings up the contextual menu, and selecting 
> "Edit script" starts a spinning cursor. Ignoring that, clicking 
> somewhere else, and trying again brings up the script editor.
> 
> Note that if you're using the AB, the script editor comes up *behind* 
> it, which is somewhat annoying, but whatever.
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641
> 
> -- 
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Paul Hibbert]

+1

Paul

> On Dec 21, 2015, at 10:17 AM, John Dixon <dixo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes... I see this as well..
> 
> 
>> Subject: Re: Release 8.0 DP 12
>> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> From: mwie...@ahsoftware.net
>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:05:07 -0800
>> 
>> On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
>> 
>>> Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
>>> stacks before testing them.
>> 
>> Interesting.
>> 
>> It now takes two attempts to edit a script in either the Application 
>> Browser or the Project Browser. The first attempt right-clicking on the 
>> object you want to edit brings up the contextual menu, and selecting 
>> "Edit script" starts a spinning cursor. Ignoring that, clicking 
>> somewhere else, and trying again brings up the script editor.
>> 
>> Note that if you're using the AB, the script editor comes up *behind* 
>> it, which is somewhat annoying, but whatever.
>> 
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641
>> 
>> -- 
>>  Mark Wieder
>>  ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[James Little]

@ Pete

I’m seeing both the absent dictionary content and the pink widget tree view on 
Mac 10.9.5.  The tree view issue resolved when I quit and restarted Livecode 
but still get no content in the dictionary.

DP12 does seem faster and the browser widget has more features.  I built a 
complex standalone for Mac with a browser widget and a tree view widget and 
both work well on initial testing.  

I have lcStackBrowser open and it seems to be functioning well on my limited 
testing so far.

Jim  



On Dec 21, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Peter Haworth <p...@lcsql.com> wrote:

> The dictionary window has no content.
> 
> Adding a Tree View Widget then deleting it leaves the selection handles
> visible.
> 
> Selecting a tree view highlights part of it in pink.  After doing that, the
> variables tab of the Script Editor window is one big pink blob with no
> variable names/contents visible.
> 
> I don't remember how I did this now, but prior to this version, the handler
> list  at the left of the script editor window was hidden and a dropdown
> menu of handler names was at the top of the window.  The dropdown menu is
> still there but so is the list at the right.  In addition the handler list
> is initially empty; its content appears when I resize it.
> 
> Similar issues as already reported on showing the script editor window.
> 
> I'm thinking it was not a good decision to rush this out before going on
> Christmas break.
> 
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Paul Hibbert <p...@livecode.org> wrote:
> 
>> +1
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2015, at 10:17 AM, John Dixon <dixo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes... I see this as well..
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: Release 8.0 DP 12
>>>> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>>> From: mwie...@ahsoftware.net
>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:05:07 -0800
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
>>>>> stacks before testing them.
>>>> 
>>>> Interesting.
>>>> 
>>>> It now takes two attempts to edit a script in either the Application
>>>> Browser or the Project Browser. The first attempt right-clicking on the
>>>> object you want to edit brings up the contextual menu, and selecting
>>>> "Edit script" starts a spinning cursor. Ignoring that, clicking
>>>> somewhere else, and trying again brings up the script editor.
>>>> 
>>>> Note that if you're using the AB, the script editor comes up *behind*
>>>> it, which is somewhat annoying, but whatever.
>>>> 
>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>>>> 
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks Jim.  Glad lcsb is behaving itself, lots of changes necessary for
LC8.

Pete
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:33 PM, James Little <littlejam...@mac.com> wrote:

> @ Pete
>
> I’m seeing both the absent dictionary content and the pink widget tree
> view on Mac 10.9.5.  The tree view issue resolved when I quit and restarted
> Livecode but still get no content in the dictionary.
>
> DP12 does seem faster and the browser widget has more features.  I built a
> complex standalone for Mac with a browser widget and a tree view widget and
> both work well on initial testing.
>
> I have lcStackBrowser open and it seems to be functioning well on my
> limited testing so far.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Peter Haworth <p...@lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > The dictionary window has no content.
> >
> > Adding a Tree View Widget then deleting it leaves the selection handles
> > visible.
> >
> > Selecting a tree view highlights part of it in pink.  After doing that,
> the
> > variables tab of the Script Editor window is one big pink blob with no
> > variable names/contents visible.
> >
> > I don't remember how I did this now, but prior to this version, the
> handler
> > list  at the left of the script editor window was hidden and a dropdown
> > menu of handler names was at the top of the window.  The dropdown menu is
> > still there but so is the list at the right.  In addition the handler
> list
> > is initially empty; its content appears when I resize it.
> >
> > Similar issues as already reported on showing the script editor window.
> >
> > I'm thinking it was not a good decision to rush this out before going on
> > Christmas break.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Paul Hibbert <p...@livecode.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>> On Dec 21, 2015, at 10:17 AM, John Dixon <dixo...@hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes... I see this as well..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: Release 8.0 DP 12
> >>>> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> >>>> From: mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> >>>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:05:07 -0800
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
> >>>>> stacks before testing them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting.
> >>>>
> >>>> It now takes two attempts to edit a script in either the Application
> >>>> Browser or the Project Browser. The first attempt right-clicking on
> the
> >>>> object you want to edit brings up the contextual menu, and selecting
> >>>> "Edit script" starts a spinning cursor. Ignoring that, clicking
> >>>> somewhere else, and trying again brings up the script editor.
> >>>>
> >>>> Note that if you're using the AB, the script editor comes up *behind*
> >>>> it, which is somewhat annoying, but whatever.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mark Wieder
> >>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> >>>>
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:


Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
stacks before testing them.


Interesting.

It now takes two attempts to edit a script in either the Application 
Browser or the Project Browser. The first attempt right-clicking on the 
object you want to edit brings up the contextual menu, and selecting 
"Edit script" starts a spinning cursor. Ignoring that, clicking 
somewhere else, and trying again brings up the script editor.


Note that if you're using the AB, the script editor comes up *behind* 
it, which is somewhat annoying, but whatever.


http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641

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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[panagiotis merakos]

Hi Mark,

A new entry for DP 12 was just added. Thanks for spotting this.

Best,
Panos
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 12.
>>
>
> However, there's no dp12 entry in the bug database. I'm filing entries
> against dp11 instead.
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/21/2015 08:10 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 12.


However, there's no dp12 entry in the bug database. I'm filing entries 
against dp11 instead.


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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Colin Holgate]

You were right.


> On Dec 21, 2015, at 11:10 AM, panagiotis merakos  
> wrote:
> 
> We thought it is better to go for the first option, since
> there is a very simple workaround for this bug:
> 
> 1. Download the release notes for LiveCode DP 12 from
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_0_dp_12.pdf 
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Re: Release 8.0 DP 12

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/21/2015 08:57 AM, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Hi Mark,

A new entry for DP 12 was just added. Thanks for spotting this.


Whoa! That was quick!

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